Why did the Jews do this?
nigger wood
>>519951792wood clipping is an eons old babylonian tradition
>>519951792In 2030, it'll be compressed sawdust painted to look like a solid 2x4
do you know why coins have ridges on them?because back when coins had actual value due to the precious metals they were made of, Jews used to shave the edges off of coins to defraud the state and steal value from coins in circulation in the form of metal shavings
>jew cant clip coins>jew clips wood insteadmany such cases
>>519952119unironically this. they call it super wood
>>519951792You're the old man, britbong.https://youtu.be/LEOnIpO7Xgw?si=kx_5r8t2ju4zToeM>LYNCHED
>>519951792https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEOnIpO7Xgwtwin peaks beat you to it
That's cause it's the span of like 200 years. And we don't do mass deforestation so you guys even have woods in uk where you cut or is lumber imported?
>>519952306And I beat you to that!>>519952243
>>519951792The bigger issue is the new genetics of fast growing Loblolly/Slash pine. Look at the growth rings on the new one. More runout, weaker wood, less dense, more knots etc. Old mature southern yellow pine is the gold standard. Often rivaling some hardwoods in characteristics. That stuff is few and far between now. You can still get whatever size lumber you want from a mill. I had to buy a load of kiln dried pine cut to the old sized to match some wood and it is not hard or expensive to get. But the quality of the wood is still inferior.
>>519952145
>>519951792And the price of it is going up at the same time despite you already getting less wood for the claimed size
>>519951792no more snooping around for you anon, you need cultural sensitivity training, in Auschwitz, with horny sub-saharan queens goy, we can not summon the anti- have world peace until you cooperate!!
>>519952551You can get whatever size you want. But it is basically impossible to buy softwood of the same quality as the old wood.
>>519952547>>519952554
>>519952119If its strong then it wont matter but the wood we get now is apprently very weak.
>>519952145These coin clipping kikes are now God of everything, they made a federal law that not liking them is a crime, and this crime is still in the US Code Chapter 18 on sedition and treason to this very moment. It's a lame law, nobody really goes to jail on it, but the federal law is there.It is a Federal Crime in America with associated statues of limitations and all that, to accuse Jews of Disloyalty to America, to not like them, or to obstruct their activities.And if you take that to a Lawyer, they will have to sheepishly agree. Look bro, it's a work in progress, the Jews used to be God, they're a lot better now, is the grocery store, gas station and work house not full to capacity? Give em a break go live in the Islamic State if the Jewish State is so bad.
>>519952145They're still doing it to this day, that's what inflation is
>>519952651HahahaI hear the jews hate each other in israel. Sam hyde said they dont put jews in important part jobs if things can be stolen. I am beginning to think maybe personality and decorum is based on dna
>>519951792Got a house and am redoing it. Was built in 1980. The wood is very noticeably different. Hell, even the sheetrock is significantly sturdier lol.
>>519952444We have some pretty good woods left but the majority of it has been replaced by farmland. I would still say if you want a competently cut piece of wood, there are a ton of good independent sawmills you can find around the countryside who will ship you quality material, I have one down the street who gave me a fuck ton of offcuts for free that I turn into furniture for myself
>>519953065You see the real step-up in construction imho when you get further back into the 60s but I'm sure even the 80s stuff is a bit better.
>>519952523>The bigger issue is the new genetics of fast growing Loblolly/Slash pine. Look at the growth rings on the new one. More runout, weaker wood, less dense, more knots etc. Old mature southern yellow pine is the gold standard. Often rivaling some hardwoods in characteristics. That stuff is few and far between now.>You can still get whatever size lumber you want from a mill. I had to buy a load of kiln dried pine cut to the old sized to match some wood and it is not hard or expensive to get. But the quality of the wood is still inferior.new 2x4s are about half the strength of the old ones, due to the fast growth pine with wide grain
>>519952145YA COIN CLIPPIN'
>>519951792More efficient use of wood is a regression now? Structural engineering has advanced considerably from 1920.
>>519951792Imperial measurement system do be like that.Every year an enclave of wizards in powdered wigs have a vote on how long an inch should be.
>>519953227If I look at old lumber there are quite a few pieces with no knots at all. This is hard to find with modern lumber. The REALLY good stuff is the old longleaf pine though. I'd take it over alot of hardwoods. I've got some structures that were made with old longleaf beams. Some still have the catfaces on them. But they are lightered-over. I mean hard as stone. The problem is they are highly flammable and leak turpentine sap.
>>519952444The cheap mass produced shit is imported.
>>519953370Ostensibly it's got to do with how wood shrinks when kiln dried. A tighter grain will shrink less in the kiln. But I don't think that is the full answer.
>>519952145The best part? Whites were somehow stupid enough to surrender all their power to these parasitic demons and now they send your grandkids to die in the desert for israel
>>519952837Extremely so, yes
>>519953316>More efficient use of wood is a regression now? Structural engineering has advanced considerably from 1920.
>>519952243YOU ADMIT IT THEN!?!
And more knots in them than a white woman in pet convention
>>519951936Absolutely underrated. Have a (you)
>>519953969You notice how that roof is still 100% sturdy? Roofs are designed to be able to support up to eight times their weight specifically so even if you have illiterate mexicans build your house, and then you cover you roof with solar panels, and then those solar panels are covered with snow, and then support beamS (plural) break your roof is fine. As for the OP, the reason the wood looks like that is because the modern wood has been processed, and the 1920 wood hasn't. Just because lazy Italians? Irish? in the 1920s didn't build houses right doesn't suddenly mean that 100 years later their methods were correct. Like now, houses back then were correctly designed by smarter people than the grunts building them, and were correctly built with redundancy in mind. A hundred years from now people will complain the androids building houses don't build them sturdy, "like the Mexicans did back in the 2020s" and future retards will have these same arguments.
>>519951792Okay but imagine if the pic was inverted and that's what my dick would look like after seeing OP's mom
>>519954588Lmfao. The problem is the quality of the wood. Modern softwood trees are grown in stands of trees that have been selected for fast growth. There is no old growth longleaf pine available for lumber. More runout, less dense, more knots, etc. everything about it is inferior. It has nothing to do with the construction or processing of the wood.
>>519951792money
>>519951792>destroy all the old trees that have lasted for centuries >newly planted trees are not as good >wow wuh happen? Preserving nature is communism and tranny coded sorry. You lost, seethe.
>>519954798Slow growing pine would likely not be harvesting in a landowners life time. Modern pine could see two harvests in a persons lifetime.From the owner's perspective it is a no-brainer but yes the quality of wood has suffered. Ultimately the western states must shoulder the burden imho and stop being pussies about harvesting the lumber. Most places forests are just same same three trees spammed over and over again anyways. They are alpine where nothing but dense stands of softwood grow. Just cut them. They need to clean up their forests anyways. It made sense to prefer southern yellow pine when it was superior quality wood. But if it is going to be no better than fir etc. that will grow naturally in vast swathes why bother with the southern pine?
>>519953138i am in NC, the part that is 90% oak and pine. i just had a mexican arborist drop off a 40" base white oak. looks about 180 years based on ring count. i'm having to chainsaw mill it into boards. i did this about 2 years ago too, again, with a big ass white oak i only just finished drying. the Lowe's jew hates the chipdrop chainsaw miller
AHEM SEIGNOR I LOVE ISRAEL!!!
>>519955229I live in the deep south. White Oak is rare in my area. Live Oak is the predominant oak species of the thirty or so native ones we have.
>>519954957i bet 95% of that wood rotted before they could have even harvested it
>>5199517922x4 is measure pre-drying. IDK if it was like that in the past but it may not have been. The other thing is that modern homes are built from PINE aka a fast growing soft wood that is weaker and also less dense than hardwoods which older homes are made from. The 2 boards on the left are hard wood. It could also be that drying causes less shrinkage but IDK for sure.
take the steel pill
>>519951792Shareholder profit. Americans will do anything for the shareholders, they mock Indians while having the same type of cast system where you deserve no respect if you dont become a Billionaire by screwing over others, so there is no morale left
>>519955520Alot of older homes are also built with pine. But the pine was just much better. Old yellow pine is roughly similar quality wood to some hardwoods such as Cherry while being lighter and more naturally shaped for lumber/milling.
>>519951792stupid nigger doesn't understand how wood grows. kikes will sell you a 2x4 that's 1 1/2" x 3 1/2" and you sit here and complain about the grain pattern
>>519953293VACUUM VAMPING
>>519951792TOO MANY PEOPLE, TOO FEW SHEKELS
>>519953227>"Let's unpack this" and proceeds to gaslight for three paragraphs coming to basically the same conclusion Why is AI like this?
>>519951792They made hemp legal because they didn't want it competing against the lumber industry
why would one tree have small rings and another ring have big rings? if anyone can answer this question, they can find out why OP is a kike
>>519955685lmfao southern yellow is basically a weed. douglas fir is where it's at
>>519951792Not only that, the wood is also shit quality because they grow trees "sustainably" and on an industrial scale, meaning the rings are much wider and thus there's less fiber in the wood. Everything is literally turning to shit, and it's because of kikes and shitskins. We should unironically just fucking genocide the lot and claim the planet. Whites aren't even one billion people, and we're not breeding out of control, and we take care of the environment. It would be a blessing for the planet if we ended lesser races, but people are unfortunately too cucked for this to ever happen. I say: Genocide or get genocided. Globally, it's the law of the jungle - always has been and always will be - but today, with a thin veneer of "civility". Chinks would wipe everyone out as soon as they muster the capability, and so would other races, except Whites - we're too fucking nice. We should have wiped all these untermensch out in the 17-19th century when we had total superiority over the entire planet.
its because most old trees with big ass trunks in the US have already been cut down and it takes like a 100 years to grow new ones.
>>519955901surely this means we cut down nigger wood growth trees to make all the mexican niggers new homes
That’s because the older 2x4s were made with old growth, we chopped all that shit down decades ago. All we have left is the 10 year growths.
>>519951792Wait so was the original 2 inches by 4 inches?and are mutts just okay with 2x4 not actually beign 2x4?are they retarded?
>>519954588Designing roofs is not a "smart" job. It's mostly automated on the software.
>>519955880Old southern yellow is approximately two times better than any other softwood and it really isn't even debatable. There is a reason why it is seen as the premier wood. However these days, it is more or less on par with fir unfortunately. If western states were such homos about good forestry practices producing more of it with their vast swathes of softwood forests, we wouldnt have to see so many pine stands in the south. It would be better for everyone. The western ecosystems wouldnt be harmed because all their forests are like the same three trees over and over again. The wood would be similar quality. And they would finally have some impetus to conduct actual forestry practices.
>>519951792For me, it's the aesthetically pleasant 1960's
>>519955901Not exactly. The old framing lumber like the ones in the OP pic were not "giant trees". They would have been roughly the same size as the modern mature timber. The difference is it took the old trees 80 years to get to that size and it took the new ones 25. Slower growth = tighter more dense growth.
>>519952523Tbf it is completely unsustainable using old growth for the millions on lineal feet of lumber both our nations consume, tree farms and weaker wood is a necessary evil because you can't just replant old growth after clearing it and we don't particularly want to rape our forests any harder than we do to line somebody's pockets. As for the nominal vs dimensional autism this board focuses on literally nobody cares about 2x4s being 1.5x3.5 its a non issue
>>519956046Also, they would have to do the math differently, since the dimensions of the wood also needs to be taken into consideration. If you build something and slap it on the outside of the construction, the construction will be narrower with smaller beams, obviously. Imagine starting the construction with jewy beams and then halfway through, you realize that the dimensions are off, so you have to do everything over, kek.
>>519953585>The REALLY good stuff is the old longleaf pine though.Longleaf the king
>>519955758And you, stupid nigger, can't maintain two variables at once. Both can be worse, effectively squaring the problem.
>>519956236>literally nobody cares about 2x4s being 1.5x3.5 its a non issueWHAT THE FUCK?company I work for uses wooden beams as support for sheet metal constructionthe foreman would probably rape any motherfucker to death if they gave him something 25% smaller than it is supposed to be
>>519955458looks like MS / bayou. NC flatlands are south but we don't have the southern gothic aesthetic you guys have. live oak is nice though. my in laws in austin have a big ass one like that with the groomsmen-type branches touching the ground.
>>519956236I agree using slow growth pine is not sustainable. This gets complicated. Theoretically you COULD grow slow growth longleaf pine in stands over 60-80 years. The problem is that Longleaf likes to grow naturally kore than slash or loblolly. Large stands of the same genetics might work with loblolly, but big stands of copy paste Longleaf become anemic and disease prone. There is alot of longleaf grown in stands btw. Because the feds pay people to do it. But 70% of it is unhealthy imho. But yes I agree at the current production slow growth isnt sustainable. But there are millions of acres of similar quality softwood out west that repopulate itself. It doesnt make sense any more to focus on the Southeast for framing lumber.
>>519955520Good grade slow growth pine is literally the best building wood there is. Hardwoods are way harder on your tools and unless you go with oak they are MORE prone to decay more often than not. Sadly you cannot buy slow growth pine anymore so if your family has not got forestry land area which is dedicated to your own needs and managed as such to produce quality over quantity you are pretty much out of luck.
>>519955465i can't tell from the image but that's probably a redwood, which are very rot resistant, which is why they're used as decking and fencing so often. it might also be american chestnut (RIP) which was taken out almost to extinction 130+ years ago from blight in which case you might be right.
>>519956092fir absolutely mogs syp in every way- better grain- higher strength (syp has too much softwood)- better moisture rot resistance- better color- cheaper- makes the shop smell like christmas- less tear out with the planeenjoy your shitwood, i hear you can treat it with the worst chemicals known to man to make it on par with fir
>>519956236This, even bastardized 2x4s do their job pretty well. Old wood is obviously better but waiting dozens of years for it doesn’t make sense.
>>519951792Jews were expelled from Great Britain once before for timber-clipping.Now all wood has rings to prevent jews clipping it.>and now they've found a way around itTime for them to go again.
>>519956455Im further east than that. Live Oaks are very regional. In SC and LA they tend to grow multistem. Here they tend to grow single stem. Although they do occasionally grow multistem. But notice still even with multistem in general they dont grow as 'gnarled' as other regions.
>>519956603literally go to home depot and look at the endgrain you dumb snownigger
>>519955465Your opinion here is wrong, as usually, leaf
>>519956453that's just the way it is anon with the billions of dollars of lumber my province ships all over the world everyone takes the .5" on the chin with the only exception being people who order gorman bros lumber because they sell studs as is in metric to the european market for a higher costEven most honoarbru japs don't give a fuckIts just the way the industry is now and that's pretty much the global standard. Besides think of the mills, tooling, shipping and training its not like anyone is going to spend billions to bring the old style of lumber dimensions back kek
>>519953001they fucking loathe each other, with each thinking they're the best, its hilarious
>>519953969Truss the system
>>519956871kek
>>519954588>solar panelswhy do feds keep coming into my house about my solar panels and going into the loft and doing lots of noises and drilling, 3 times they've been, once to literally install them and the other 2 times to go in the loft for some reason.
>>519956636Slow growth yellow pine specifically Longleaf is the superior framing wood by every single metric both materially and economically. It's honestly not even debatable kek everyone knows it. The resin content alone makes it last so much longer. Perhaps this is some regional pride thing for you idk. The fact is modern *fast* growth yellow pine is roughly on par with fir etc. So I WISH you fools would take over the market kek it would be better for everyone. But unfortunately 75% of the land out there is owned by the feds and you people can't seem to into proper forestry practices. It makes no sense for us to farm yellow pine. We have 250 tree species that could be growing on that land. You have the same love softwood species on repeat and it is serviceable lumber so you should be harvesting it.
>>519955761INFLATION CAUSIN’!
>>519957089Same five*
>>519956829why the fuck would we buy american lumber?other than some novelty wood that doesn't grow here?no wonder people think US is retarded considering a product not to specs is okIf I buy lumber here it is exactly how much it says +/- minor tollerance
>>519953227>old growthLiterally most people don't understand a thing about trees. "Old growth" does not make timber good, slow growth is the word you are looking for. Old growth is a good term to only differentiate the older growthrings from sapwood (younger layers). But even then, just being old does not make it good. Slow growth, tight growthrings, that is what actually matters. Old growth fast growth pine is inferior to slow growth sapwood pine.
>>519952119>t. never heard of LVL
>>519957242I once bought some particular size hickory handles with a euro style D-shape axe eye in them. Kek it occured to keep this wood was shipped to the balkans from the US. Carved. Then shipped back to the US. Fairly ridiculous imho.
>>519953001if personality and decorum are all dna, you're a nonce
>>519957387LVLs are expensive but hellaciously strong. I had to have two made for my house.
>>519957050I think its actually been 4 times, they come in to take pictures and get me to sign some shit then leave. you get 1 more time feds then im not letting you in any more, and Im checking the loft after as well. >p-p-p-please the s-solar p-panels>w-we need more p-pictures goylick my stinky fucking balls
>>519956229Literally this. The slower the growth the better the timber is the maxim here. It's not like that for every tree species but it holds for the usual ones used in construction of houses.
>>519951792my house is made from 1920's rough cut. it's a pain in the ass to get anything to line up with modern dimensional lumber.give me modern 2x4 construction any day of the week, just not put together by retarded beaners.
Wood is Jewish.
>>519957089>the cheapest wood for me to buy (pad my margins) to do your project just happens to be the best, trust the science™!spoken like a true kike, have a shekel
>>519957687Lumber etc aside, Longleaf Pine is a fascinating tree species to me. It grows in a grass stage for up to like 10 years. Then in goes into a "candle stage" for a few more years before it even starts to shape-up like a tree. I dont know of any other species that does it. Btw- a picture of Longleaf in that kind of snow is fairly rare you won't see that often.
>>519952119They will be roughly the size of a popsicle stick
>>519957822Are you actually illiterate? I have said no less than a half dozen times in this thread that no decent SLOW growth yellow pine is being produced. The FAST growth pine is inferior and roughly on par with things like fir. That's all you can get today. You literally cannot buy slow growth pine today. I mean it's becoming apparent you really don't understand how any of this works but honestly just read the posts it shoukd make kore sense to you.
>>519956744>le wild retarded mutt appearsIf you think you can find slow growth pine in home depot you are 100% retarded and don't even knos what is slow growth. Protip: if the growth rings are wider than 1 mm it is definitely NOT slow growth. I've got some slow growth pines and only now that they are over 200 years old they could be felled once I have a need for quality wood (basically for plain logs or timber frame usage, it would be madness to saw them onto puny 2x4s and friends)
>>519955360jew screw
>>519958404200 years is a stretch imho. There is a sweetspot where the wood is large enough to harvest but before it starts getting defects and the tops start blowing out etc etc. 80-100 years but I'm sure it depends on the species.
>>519951792For profit.
>>519958404It's over. We will forever be forbade from accessing Finnish pussy henceforth thanks to some wild retarded mutt>>519956744Thanks asshole.
2x4 is still actually 2x4 here :)
>>519957758You are not supposed to get it "line up", you are supposed to cope and approximate, that's what traditional carpentry is all about. It's actually more pleasant to the eye when it's not exact, just close enough with small variations, soul.
ill never forget the day and moment i realized that the wood grain on the top of one of these classroom desks was simply a printed image of a wood grain pattern. i was sitting there so confused unable to process it, first uncertain as to wood grain was even "real" anywhere or if all wood was fake. i was pretty little
because its all they can make from the dogshit factory farm trees we're forced to use instead of the glorious old wood our ancestors had access to. have to prop up the sanctioned monopolies and look 'green'. witness the actual lack of roundness to the rings, like wtf was the deformed hunk of engineered unnatural shit on the right. this is why it splits way easier when you drive a screw into it. it's glorified firewood.
>>519958767Here you can get whatever you want fairly easily from a mill cut to any size. I had to order a big load of true 1×8"s a while back. But if you buy from Home Depot you are going to get trash wood. I still use it alot just not for any serious type of project. Some of the big treated beams from home depot are not terrible but framing lumber is awful there.
>>519958150That is weird af. Maybe I should try planting a few in my garden just for the lulz.
>>519959459The candle stages are the strangest part. It looks like Dr. Seuss stuff. Longleaf likes frequent fire though. How often do yall burn there?
>>519952651what are the letters next to the menorah?
>>519953001the first groups learned it from watching wolves become dogs. then creating cows from auruchs. then writing about it. then a group said "f it, we'll give it a shot"and then the rest of us said whoa whoa whoa wtf are you doing. and that cycle has repeated in a recursive fractal like 5 or 6 times now.
>>519958530The oldest pines in Finland are at least like 800 years old, 80 years is the typical harvesting time for our typical bulk pine but it's not quality stuff by any means. When it's over 200 it has usually become red inside in large quantities enough to matter, and it resists decay almost as good as oak.
>>519951792That's just Capitalism being Capitalism.
>>519959459For me it's Japanese AspensIf you have a sister she sure would love em hahah
>>519951792How is that even possible. The dimensions can’t change, so people are getting ripped off
>>519951792Age of abundance is overnow only 10% of mankind deserves non-sóy meat
>>519953227>10% lessis this a new thing? you assert dominance by blasting diarrhea into GPT and then don't bother even reading it. assume it will back you up and allow stupid people to catch up to your intellect
>>519951792You can clearly see the wood on the right is a double better quality than on the left. That's why.
>>519960068Here I consider softwood in general to have short life spans with the exception of maybe bald Cypress. The oldest trees in this region would be hardwoods like Southern Live Oak and Black Gums which can get to the 600-1000+ range but by the time they get really old they will be less healthy than in their prime.
>>519955817it says 10-20% less dense. which isn't half as strong.what I see is optimization in the market and a miracle of capitalism. I bet hardwoods are even still available only appropriately priced.
>>519960224Akshually I'm working on a prototype of pic related which is why I'm a gangstalked targeted individual. With this you can use garbage to 3D print solar panels and biosponges that produce water from thin air
>>519958329>>519958404you'll see the same ring spacing even in your "muh 200 year old pine" because all that indicates is the coldness that year, both of you (if you are two different people) are absolutely retarded and need to fuck back off to wherever you came from. fuckin comparing growth rings on a weed grown in south carolina jfc
>>519959664Fire? That's kinda rare these days here, and usually done deliberately only on conservational areas. And natural fires are rare too, happening not even every year and when they happen they are like a few acres at max, and even more rare (a lot rarer than once in a decade actually) bigger ones are like well under a hundred acres even at absolute max.
>>519960492Look you clown, it's no mystery that planted pines genetics have been developed to optimize fast growing varieties. Up to 1/3 the time a normal tree would take. Which tree do you think will be more dense? One that grew in 25 years or one that grew in 80 kek.
>>519955229Why is that cow so small?
>>519960140I need to look into these too. Don't have a clue why bitches would love those but they look interesting.
>>519960783the rings would be exactly the same if they were grown at the same time and same general area. in the north they would be more dense, in the south they would be more spaced. the 80 year old tree would be bigger since it has 55 years of growth
>>519961140that's a cat you retard
>>519957387> 23€ /m why is it so expansive?
>>519951792I'll take the 1960 one.
>>519960401It depends a lot on tbe region. Here oaks are pretty much non existing as lumber and good pine is our cope. You've got a lot more variation there, here it's pine, fir, and birch, if you want something else it's so expensive that eventually you don't want anything else.
>>519961527It's plywood you fucking retard. 15 layers no less.
>>519960492Seethe some more, it's entertaining ngl
>>519961161They're comfy
>>519960492You could simply have answered yes, moron. Do you comprehend English?
>>519961527>one single 13m pieceAre you building a boat?
>>519962081Nvm I didn't read correctly. But what length is an individual piece?
>>519960492And the whole point in my most precious old trees is that they indeed got DIFFERENT ring spacing than the bulk stuff. They are tight, the age matters mostly be ause it takes that 200 years for them to grow big enough to useful timbers. And our winters are always cold, the ring spacing has more to do how near are other trees and how fertile is the soil. Pines in too fertile soil are utter trash in many ways.
>>519962294yes, you can find tight rings today as well, age has nothing to do with that, it's the season that affects ring growth
>>519951792they used up most of the old growth wood. that’s why vintage guitars are so sought after and sound better
>>519952119MDF 2x4
>>519961175Nope, it has everything to with the soil fertility and how many nearby trees there are. Modern forestry optimizes for those and as a result we get large growthrings and shit wood. And the best wood does not come from the northest possible place, the sweet spot is slightly south from the absolute north because the absolute north has too long summers and summerwood is worse than springwood when it comes to pine.
>>519953969yes, the engineering has improved to cover for ass workmanship and quality of materials
>>519957803you start planning your build yet, anon?
>>519953065I know a lot of people today prefer to buy homes from the 20s or 30s over ones made later in the century just because the wood is so much better.Case in point: my home which was built in the 60s creaks and groans like a motherfucker, and it's not even 100 years old yet
>>519962423You really can't find the best stuff though. Of course you see some variation in the lumber they are selling, but consider yourself lucky if you often get to pick even semitight growthrings for the same bulk price.
>>519951792There is a reason why metric must be enforced.
>>519960729Here we are supposed to burn every two years. Upland areas actually almost need it. Alot of plants wont go to seed without fire. The fire depermins alot here honestly. What season you burn etc. Basically we are close to sea level. So it's a patchwork of places that wont burn and places that are just high enough to burn. So you could be in an oak bottomland and then go 200 yards and be in an upland pine/grass ecosystem with completely different plants.
>>519962878To be fair it probably squaks the same in hundred years, if there is no significant decay like tdrmites and shit. The excessive squaking is usually the combination of using non-dry wood and not-the-best-carpenters, but normally it doesn't make the house worse per se, some squaks are even comfy.
>>519962878The gist in the industry is that people actually prefer the 50-60s. Modern style houses with comparatively better lumber and workmanship. If you go too much older you run into issues of old homes- wiring plumbing insulation etc. Once you get into the 70s the quality begins to decline. Generally speaking 90s are seen as the worst because the quality is much worse and they are starting to get old enough to show serious issues.
>>519956046Lumber was always less than the stated dimension. It started back in the late 19th century (afaik).Don't listen to these goobers.
>>519952306Next job interview, I'm going to demand payment in untrimmed dollars.
>>519963615I've got some structures built in the 30s that I was recently remodeling and when I measured, they came in almost exactly on the nominal. Like a 10th of an inch under on the 2×4s. The 1×8s were exact.
>>519962820No I can't decide what to do, I have a ton of used deck lumber and 10 large windows and 1 small windowSince the examples online use uniform windows for their design I'm not getting enough inspiration, running it through GPT also feels soulless. I also have 2 large 30' ft sheets of metal for roofing so I'm thinking maybe a 30' length with two 50' Earth walls for bonding beams on either side and the North and South walls being framed in, but I've never seen a design like that before and I'm not sure if it will work
>>519952119stop it with the anti semitism
>>519963456True. My home was also mass produced along with a lot of suburbs, and this was at a time when homebuilders weren't regulated so carefully. Thow it up fast and quick was their motto.Take a look at some of Larry Haun's YouTube videos. You can see all the people in the comments criticizing him for his sloppy production, but that's just how they did it during the boom.
>>519963292That's new to me. Only old pines can survive the forest fires here, but we too have species that need fire to bloom. One place where those species flourish here are the army training areas which are actually quite big and the real artillery and shit often starts small fires.
>>519952119>2030we are already there
>>519952837Definitely. I can push a screw all the way into a Home Depot 2x4 with surprisingly little effort. Not screwing it, just putting a screw on the end of my drill and leaning into the wood to put pressure on it
>>519963764Well, maybe I'm wrong then.Either way, I know the tendency to kove to "dimensional" lumber isn't too recent.
>>519953585The really really eally good stuff was heart pine. It's so hard I dont know how they ever milled back in the day.
>>519963036every other stick i get has tight growth rings, not my problem you don't know how to buy wood. even at home depot tight rings are abundant in the pile if your wood comes from an area that has a winter
>>519963555It's possible my home was built in the 70s then. Not entirely sure.It's awful though. The whole thing feels like it was pieced together with tissue and toothpicks.
>>519963768I like the step-down design. I wonder if it would keep the internal temperature more stable or just keep it cooler, like a cellar.
>>519951792That makes no sense because the two is 2 in and the four is 4 in so a 2x4 should be 2 in by 4 in. If you measure a 2x4 and it is not 2 in by 4 in then it's not a 2x4 therefore you can complain.
>>519964062The heart pine gets alot harder after it gets older. Same as finding a lighter stump they feel hard as stone because the resins dry and harden over time. I wpulnt never use them indoors though. I have some heart pine beams that weep suprising amounts of resin after almost 100 years.
>>519964160I mean alot of it or course depends on the work that was done case by case it's just a general principle. Mine is early 60s ranch. Decent lumber decent work I guess. Im in the process of remodeling now.
>>519964061I think lumber has always been a bit off because of the way the drying process works. However I just think it's much worse now.
>>519951792nothing is stopping you from growing trees for quality wood, just buy some land and grow trees.after 50 years you'll have about 5% of what your neighbor grew in the same time, and his sticks are only 95% as strong as yours.
>>519963768I stayed in one of those 'Earth Ship' rammed earth house designs from the 70s, near Santa Fe NM I think, it turned out to be kind of a retarded design in practice, took twice as long to build and not all that eco really, the owner rented it out as an airbnb and lived next door in a single wide mobile home hahaha
>>519951792
>>519951792that is what you get for using imperial meme units
>>519964040That is nuts, have never been able to do that. But I have definitely noticed the difference in driving scews into quality stuff and shit stuff. The shit stuff is so soft a small battery lasts ages on my shitty drill while the harder stuff of the same species eats the battery so fast it's not even funny.
>>519951792I live close to a late 1800s farm house. The thing caught on fire like 13 years ago and stayed on fire for a few hours, did serious damage to it, flames were coming out of cracks formed in the roof from the fire. One of it's four walls is gone. Completely exposed to the elements now and fire damaged. That thing is still standing going strong despite being left in this condition for 13 fucking years. Nobody is working on it, it's written off, yet it stands strong. Meanwhile in a modern house catastrophic damage occurs after your windows sweat in the winter time for too many years. God forbid you get a roof leak or a water pipe bursts, then you're super fucked. If it catches fire it can collapse in less than 10 minutes too.
>>519954957what a fucking stupid waste. Fuck these niggers.
>>519963615>North American softwood dimensional lumber sizesyeah it is just you jewcucks because nobody in their right fucking mind would be OK with shit like this
>>519964040Makes me sick to think about homes built with this crap chemical slop wood
>>519951936kek
>>519952869What section?
>>519964571They sand it down after it's done drying to the dimensions it needs. Lumberyards like to do that because they can use the dust/chips for particle board and other manufactured wood products
>>519964837True story. My sister hung a hammock in her back yard between two new 4x4's she got at the hardware store. They were set in concrete and done right, they were also the weather treated type.It didn't last one summer before it started to bow about 25% up the length near the ground on one 4x4, then it fucking snapped one day, thankfully nobody got hurt badly, just a bruised tail bone. Nobody in her family is overweight, all good genetics and fit people.
>>519964234Yup, the Earth is a natural insulator. This appears to be southern Colorado in the mountains which has cold winters and hot summers. Also very dry and perfect for adobe and earthship walls
>>519960253>>10% less>is this a new thing? you assert dominance by blasting diarrhea into GPT and then don't bother even reading it. assume it will back you up and allow stupid people to catch up to your intellectI'm lazy sorry, read it after posting, was just curious, the range cited is in the ballpark of 50% strength though, 850 to 1500 if you take the extremes, the point being it is a relatively big reduction in strength,
>>519964678It's better than concreteslopShit is pricey
>>519965142With rough cut kiln dried I generally come in almost exact from the mill. Obviously it's rough cut and I guess they just know how to guage it. Which they could easily do even if it was finished. However even the rough cut stuff from the big boxes stores is not much different than the finished stuff.
>>519965306You trying to dox yourself anon? That's a pretty distinctive house.
>>519965204Just two planks of wood set in concrete sticking out of the ground? Idk chief. Feel like micro cracks would appear. I'd use metal poles or screw it into an actual tree.
>>519952145Yeah, but jews were so marginalized and oppressed that the only occupations available to them were coin clipping and moneylending. All they wanted to do was be farmers and craftsmen. Oy vey!
>>519951792>>519951936same thing happened with your 6"
>>519957111NATION SUBVERTIN'
>>519954957looks AI, how would they even get that to the mill, let alone actually mill it?
>>519965385i'm sure he posted one he lives in and not the first result for earthship on google
>>519963976This shit would make at least some sense if building houses would become alot cheaperand easier. But thereality is that traditional house constructions are a breeze to do by yourself with modern machinery. The fact is that houses were built just fine with the hand fucking saws and shit and they were more affordable. Having a bit of regulation should easily have been outweighted by having all the fancy pants cheap machinery available to literally everyone. Sometimes the good old handsaw is still the quickest option but building a house took a lot of muscles back in the days and still most of the men were capable of it, to be fair more useful shit was taught in common schools back then but still.
>>519965392Yea, micro cracks appeared because the wood was shit. That's the point. I am appalled by the quality of wood these days, I've done my fair share of working with it. These 2x4s and 4x4s make up the "bones" of the houses and they are shit, then the walls are made out of OSB which is wood chips fucking glued and pressed together that CAN'T GET WET. It's disgusting and inexcusable.
>>519965618I find it frankly unbelievable that prefab concrete structures havent been able to be made affordable and attractively yet. It seems like such an easy thing to work out.
>>519965594Legitimately go fuck yourself for trying to erase this history with such a lame excuse.
>>519953969Just slap a tie plate on it
>>519962820>you start planning your build yet, anon?Earthships are retarded, I stayed in one, and read up on them, there is a reason they didnt take off, take twice as long to buildhave another Grok hahah
>>519965594>>519965756This was one of the biggest crimes against nature ever done.
>>519954957literally niggers>NVM WE WILL JUST PLANT PINESLOP EVERYWHERE LOL
>>519964108Holy shit you are clueless about what is actually tight growthring. 1mm or less is a good starting point for pine and I refuse to believe you have such stuff available without pictorial proof. It is premium stuff that commands prices like 10k per cubic meter here while bulk pine is like $500 per cubic meter.
Why do poverty countries build with concrete and Americans build with sticks?
>>519965306was an interesting idea, but kind of like the cybertruck, pretty dumb when you get down to itthe bio of the guy who invented it is interesting, he fought like hell to get them permitted
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>>519951792Pay your interest on your mortgage fucking cuck!
>>519965756>Legitimately go fuck yourself enough with the poltard insults, its all so tiresome
>>519955885We've already wiped out almost all of the old growth forests in north America. If we had continued to that we'd be entirely out of it at this point.What the fuck do you expect them to do when the wood on the left requires hundreds of years to grow to that density?
>>519965823Why not ditch the gay eco aspect of the design and just have like a prefabbed concrete series of main trusses over a concrete pad in the same general shape (at ground level) framed in between by lumber and ample windows). All plumbing and wiring could be on the back side with no windows. Seems like it should be a fairly cheap design. I know its not but idk why not. Sure the windows are expensive but still it should be cheaper.
>>519965756>Legitimately go fuck yourselfso how did they get those to the mill with just horses?
>>519956537>over 60-80 years.that's longer than a career. if i plant those trees when i'm 18 i'm still likely to be dead before it's time to harvest. sorry, there's just no justifying an investment i know is literally impossible to profit from within my lifetime.
>>519952145This is an old anti-semitic lie
>>519951792It's what happens when you stop cutting down ancient old growth forests to build your shitboxes and use sustainably harvested trees from farms. New composite products are better than old growth lumber anyway.
>>519951936>Completely random subject thread >Antisemitic trope by third comment
>>519951792Do whites really not care about their environments and forests? Kind of pathetic
>>519965752>I find it frankly unbelievable that prefab concrete structures havent been able to be made affordable and attractively yet. It seems like such an easy thing to work out.its like flying cars, the robot concrete extruders look cool but the walls come out funny and its only good for one story, and they finish it with sticks on the top floor, another business idea gone belly up
>>519966224Yeah this way we can make the joists last the same lifespan as a roof.
>>519966065Use your fucking brain for once, those photos are older than AI, dumbass. >>519966155Trains existed during that time, they also cut up the trees and used rivers to float them to the wood mills. Educate yourself before acting like a retard on the internet.
>>5199517921920 2x4 had a 100 years to grow dumbass. Wood grows. Look it up.
>>519965823>>519966119it's a deliberate part of the design that it's long on labor and short on materials, the creator intended it to be usable for the third world where there's plenty of cheap/free labor but not much materials.that's obviously backwards for the first world where labor costs so much more. if you have thought of a version that accomplishes much the same thing but uses less labor it is probably a sensible modification for building it in america.although the labor is sort of a feature even here; the earthship community that does exist, they all help each other build the ships, like amish. it's a community thing.
>>519966384I'm not talking about the meme extruders. I'm talking about prefabbed concrete trusses with stick framing in-between them. Imagine a long rectangular structure made by lining up about four concrete trusses each on small rectangular pylons or foundations. Stick frame in between them slap a bunch of windows on one side.
>>519951792That's bullshit. When you go to the sawmill you literally measure out the wood it's self, load it onto the trailer and pay for it. If you've never done that in your life, then yeah, you'd believe this. If you get a joiner to go get the wood for you and asked and paid for a 2x4, and that's what he's came back with, then either he or the mill are committing fraud and you shouldn't tolerate that
>>519966394Houses shouldn't last more than 100 years anyway. Most people who buy houses that old tear them down.
>>519966588I mean honestly if someone just made a concrete truss kit in an a-frame or pavilion mod style I feel like it would be good. You order the trusses. Frame it out yourself (the main engineering side of the framing is removed by the trusses). You could frame and install the windows fairly easily. You could rough it out yourself fairly easily. Hire someone to plumb and wire it plus the foundation. Etc.
>>519964678>took twice as long to buildYou're going to be living in it for 50-70 years, what does it fucking matter if you take a few weeks extra to build it out? That kind of mindset is how you end up with trash housing made by mexicans where nothing is plum and level. A properly made stone house was made by hand by the family for their sons over the course of years before the family would move into it during the medieval timeframe and these houses are still standing hundreds of years later because it was done right the first time.
>>519966119>Why not ditch the gay eco aspect of the design and just have like a prefabbed concrete series of main trusses over a concrete pad in the same general shape (at ground level) framed in between by lumber and ample windows). All plumbing and wiring could be on the back side with no windows.
>>519966757It's just the americans"North American softwood dimensional lumber sizes"they either got cucked or adopted something colosally retardedthey measure the wood right afer cutting instead of after it dries like everyone elseSo yeah a british 2x4 is 2x4 but a mutt 2x4 is 1,5x3,5
>>519966290jews seething and coping
>>519951792>fake pictureDumb fuck nigger, dimensional 2x4 lumber is 1.5" by 3.5" after kiln drying and planing of the rough cut lumber. This is done to make the lumber as straight and uniform as possible.
>>519966429You forgot the "mr stancil" from your pic
>>519966814Then why do we use roofing materials that don't last the life of the building?
>>519953764Lol "surrender"They were given power by Worst generation because they didn't want to get hanged for all the shit they pulled. All it took was one evil generation of whites to permanently ruin everything.You ever wonder why the good guys also nuked and firebombed millions, had *real* concentration camps, put lead in everything, and mutilated every baby boy? Why the Boomers are the most retarded, cum guzzling patriots imaginable? Why also women decided to destroy civilization? It was all intentional so one generation could die as heros as rulers of the world.It worked too, everybody blames the Boomers even though they only had power starting in the mid 80s, well after immigration reform, womens rights, holohoax, bretton woods agreement etc.
>>519965752>>519966384>>519966621what the entrepreneurs really like are the prefab factory built houses, problem is trying to keep people from noticing that they're basically trailer park houses, which tanks sales just due to associations with poverty. makes everything a lot easier to make it in a factory.there are ideas along your lines but the main barrier is always inertia. there are already crews full of home depot mexicans around and they already know how to make the cardboard houses and the supply lines for the cardboard houses already exist and the salesmen know how to sell those and the developers know they can sell them so they'll get their investment back. nobody knows any of that for a prefab concrete house or an earthship or a monolithic dome or a sandbag house or any of the neat ideas that are out there, so they simply don't do them.business people hate taking chances, they want the same thing they got last time. and housing is such a big expense that it's hard to get people to take chances.
>>519965204Bad design. 4x4 posts are very strong in the vertical direction to compressive forces, but that kind of setup would place a pretty strong horizontal shear/bending load. Either add a horizontal support beam connecting the tops of the two vertical posts and/or route the hammock lines over the top of the posts (or through a hole) and then extend them to secure anchors in the ground or some sturdy object near the ground. That way all of the force is directed vertically into the posts, where they are strongest.Also, put some kind of cap on the tops of the posts to protect from water damage.
>>519952444I don't know about England but in Ireland we have a lot of plantings like pic rel. They are not natural forests, they are purely for production. They are typically not native trees either. Scotland is the same, they have a lot of these alsoThe UK and Ireland still have some ancient forest left but not much, usually just small pockets
>>519965568ORGAN HARVESTIN'
>>519966983It should be sold as 1.5x3.5 if it has those dimensions, this is super simple stuff if you think about it a little. When I have needed planed 2x4s I have sawed them a bit bigger so AFTER planing they are indeed very near 2x4, this is not complicated
>>519966397>Use your fucking brain for once, those photos are older than AI, dumbass.cool pic, thanks dumbass, AI is very good at making vintage pics, and floating a 30 foot diameter log down your average stream aint gonna happen dumbass,have a nice day dumbass
>>519967453if i wanted to talk to chatgpt i would. fuck off, zoomer.
>>519951936> ID is 2cwwoDyes
>>519965752>affordable homes.Where's the profit in that?
>>519961140he's a sweet boy
>>519966290That's the way of the world. The cost of jews on society is incalculable.
>>519958922weird thing to existentialize over but yeah ahead of your time anon. it only got faker and gayer from there too
>>519967101You can literally do an eternal roof by going copper for example if you spend like double the usual amount. The default roofing material is the absolute thinnest sheet of shittiest metal they can possibly get away selling.
>>519967238It just seems like such a basic concept. Four pads each with a concrete truss (same shape as the earth ship). Hire the contractor to frame in between and finish it and rough it out just like wood framed house. You'd save on foundations with just four pads rather than the whole footprint of the house plus you'd have a crawlspace. With the slanted shape, roofing would be minimal. The windows would be expensive though but all in all I see no logistical reason it should be a problem. The earth dome/earth ship nonsense I am not surprised would be expensive boondoggles. I'm taking the shape of the earthship though and just thinking "how do you do this sensibly and cheaply?"
>>519965978So when earthquakes happen we don't have tens of thousands of deaths like thirdies do>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Turkey%E2%80%93Syria_earthquakes
>>519966983yes, selling a smaller piece of wood with wrong dimensions listed and completely random shrinking during drying is very smartIf a 2x4 is 1.5x3.5 after shrinking, then the initial boards should be 2.5x4.5. We're still trying to discover the technology for wood extending
>>519967388OVEN DODGIN'
>>519966883Check this video out. These were a neat idea of erecting a precast workshop.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKLYfrdT7b4
>>519967238>business people hate taking chances, they want the same thing they got last time. and housing is such a big expense that it's hard to get people to take chances.yeah, thats a big part of it, I did see a weird prefab apartment building go up nearby recently, built from prefab room units that fit on a semi truck, and all bolted together to make a 5 story apartment building, havent been inside though, the owner did go bankrupt two years after completion though, was in the local paper, even had a Whole Foods on the ground floor, but apartments were too expensive I guess
>>519966119Just use cob, it's better than concrete and you can make it on site if you have clay and sand
>>519967530>zoomerboomer, hahahI spend all day on Grokits pretty addictive
>>519967902Basic timber frame cannot really be beaten for simple workshop construction. Simple joinery, only a few timbets and shit is easy and fast and affordable when you don't have to give a fuck about aesthetic values.
>>519965943again, tight rings indicate the season, not the age. number of rings would indicate age, but you continue to belt about how tight rings somehow indicate that you're getting 200 year old wood. that you're getting ripped off on "premium" wood is not my problem, here it's maybe an extra 25¢/bdft for clear fohc
>>519967902See alot of times people think prefabbed concrete they are talking about those segments like that. I'm talking about just a series of precast a-shaped trusses all in a line for a rectangular building that would be framed out just like a non load bearing wall on a normal house.
>>519967238>what the entrepreneurs really like are the prefab factory built houses, problem is trying to keep people from noticing that they're basically trailer park houses, which tanks sales just due to associations with poverty. makes everything a lot easier to make it in a factory.I wonder why nobody is producing what are basically job site trailers with nicer amenities and finishing on the cheap and calling them tiny homes. I guess it has something to do with regulations. It cannot possibly be that hard to make something more sturdy and robust (and less ugly) than a regular single wide.
>>519967407They go by rough cut size, and anyone who needs to know this knows it. Even in Sweden (and presumably Finland) standard construction lumber size is less than 2" by 4", and about a quarter inch larger in both dimensions compared to American 2x4s. Do you also cry about the 45mmx95mm Regel lumber you have over there you fucking nigger?
>>519966937>>519966119This are wildly out of date, most modern earthship designs have addressed almost every issue. Puerto Rico has an extensive amount of Earth ships which not only withstood the massive hurricane that went through but have been there since the 1980s. That's how out of date this is.
>>519966947But even then, I know of no wood that shrinks that drastically
>>519951792coin clipping isn't about coins only, it's a lifestyle for jews!
>>519955458Now tell the Yankees about how many acorns these mother fuckers drop every year
>>519968269Like this?
>>519967749i wish you many investors and all the luck in the world. i would love to live in an earthship along those lines.one side note i picked up from an interview with an earthship owner; you don't lose much efficiency having vertical rather than slanted windows, but it makes a huge difference in terms of insuring the home and likely getting a mortgage on it if you need one. those are both huge hurdles for actually selling these houses.and don't lose all the eco stuff. the earthship's ability to sustain itself is a very sellable quality in the modern world and especially in america. the idea that with cisterns, passive heat/cool and a stack of rice buckets i could stay in there for months at a time if needed is very appealing, and all the "green" stuff is part of that.
>>519955685The strength and hardness of pine varies but even the best ones aren't close to something like oak. I also don't think there is a slow growing pine species. If it's denser it should take more time to grow. Not saying density means strength but just saying. The switch to pine was done purely for cost (grows in less time than a nuhouse lifetime) or simply local availability of wood. Just like how England cut growth hardwood forests down to make boats.
>>519968169No see that's always the mistake of the people attracted to these designs. It doesnt have to be bespoke and handmade or earthy. Think if the possibilities. Have someone come out and basically put up a linear series of reinforced cast concrete a-frames in a line hauled in off of a truck. The structural component is done. Rock solid. No artistry needed. Then you can do whatever you want in between that line of trusses.
>>519951792Wood is absolute trash now. I'm build my own home. I have purchased only J grade lumber. You would think I pulled it all out of a trash heap. Also its so fucking soft that nails, even with the glue barely hold on. I was running a string line when I went to pull it tight the nail on the other end slid out without resistance. The wood was so shit I got the building plans changed to be using only 2x8 and 2x10. The few spots I had to use LVLs even they are complete garbage. How is a "precision" piece of squished wood out 4mm over 4ft. Completely unacceptable. Everyday I work on this place makes me want to go on a rampage more and more.
>>519968339But in sweden/finland and here too it is sold as 45x95mm retardIf a Swede sold you a 50x100 and it was actually 45x95 you would call hem retarded too
>>519968316the usual cope i see is to call them a "pod" and have elon musk's face on them.there's a neat apartment building in tokyo that was built with "pods" attached to an internal structure, with the idea that they could be detached and replaced with new ones as time progressed. of course that never happened but it was a neat idea at least.
>>519968425Sort of. Except obviously not curved and the bottom of the truss would be on a pad on the ground and not on columns.
>>519967883CHRIST KILLIN'
>>519966328>civilization go brrrr
>>519968649And you're more retarded and gay so you can't remember that the rough cut 50mmX100mm lumber has been dried and planed to become 45x95. Same reason you can't carry guns or exercise free speech, you've been infantilized by your own faggotry.
>>519968522Lol shit I'm not going to be starting a business anytime soon. Im just speaking out loud here. And yeah the slanted wouldnt be necessary. You could just do a single slant roof pavilion style. Verticle windows on the taller side.
>>519968263Are you genuinely retarded or what? I have stated the age here to emphasize that when the growth rings are tight it takes a pine some 200 years to grow to be of usable size. Which is rather big size because harvesting the best trees and getting only two 2x4s out of them would be madness no matter the quality.OF FUCKING COURSE 200 YEARS OLD PINE CAN BE UTTER FAST GROWTH SHIT, I JUST HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT MY PRECIOUS 200 YEARS OLD PINES ARE THE GOOD STUFF YOU DUMB MUTT.Btw price per board feet is not a good measure because it obfuscates the whole idea behind wood. Price per cubic meter is universal and you can easily see how much the sawmill is ripping you off vs buying the wood raw and sawing it yourself to the dimensions you need.
>>519952444Believe it or not but we have plenty of managed softwood forests and export untreated timber.
>>519967940>prefab apartment building go up nearby recently, built from prefab room units that fit on a semi truck, and all bolted together to make a 5 story apartment building,https://archinect.com/RAD_Urban/project/5110-telegraph
>>519968901>can't rememberSomeone advertises something in a retarded way is somehow my fault?>you can't carry gunsyou are on of those retards. Gun ownership is in our constituion and people own guns>or exercise free speechonce again in our constituionmaybe stop beign retarded and learn there is a difference between the UK (which is fucked) and the rest of evropa
>>519968339I know it very well but it does not make it acceptable. You sell it as 2x4 it better be close enough 2x4, simple as. I saw most of my lumer myself specifically for this reason (and getting bigger timbers is affordable and even cheap only by DIY) so I don't seethe about this issue irl but it still does not make it okay.
>>519968712>the usual cope i see is to call them a "pod" and have elon musk's face on them.I'd live in a pod. What's the difference between that and some drywall and conventional framing? People need houses and I'm surprised Amazon isn't shipping them on pallets. I guess it's like you or another anon said above and it comes down to the fact that people don't want trailers and I assume regulations.
>>519968997i wish i could...hard industry to get into, especially with no experience.probably my most hitlerian quality is laying out perfect little dioramas of perfect little communities in my head.
>>519968342>most modern earthship designs have addressed almost every issue. Puerto Rico has an extensive amount of Earth ships which not only withstood the massive hurricane that went through but have been there since the 1980s.addressed every issue including how retarded they are and how long they take to build? No doubt they are good in hurricanes if you have a big enough sump pump and battery to power it for a few days
>>519969054once it hits the saw there's no way to tell you've got 200 year old wood vs 20 year old wood retard, both can have tight rings, neither will tell you how old the tree was, just that spring was short and summer was long
>>519969456regs is a good point. many communities have minimum square footage requirements specifically to squeeze out pod-like housing. this is usually legacy from the great migration/white flight in the mid 20th century, where banning flophouses kept poors (blacks) from moving into your area without saying explicitly that blacks aren't allowed.i legit wouldn't mind a pod either if i had good neighbors.
>>519969182>Someone advertises somethingIt's not advertised that way in America, it's the industry standard across the country.>people own gunsYou can't carry a gun because you're a CHILD who looks to the government to save you in exchange for being their obedient simp. I can tell you have an EU flag flying on your front lawn.How long have you worked in the construction industry, Pavel? Oh you haven't? I'm shocked.
Enshitification
>>519968522>and don't lose all the eco stuff. the earthship's ability to sustain itself is a very sellable quality in the modern world and especially in america. the idea that with cisterns, passive heat/cool and a stack of rice buckets i could stay in there for months at a time if needed is very appealing, and all the "green" stuff is part of that.I actually stayed in one in Taos as an airbnb, the greenhouse and cisterns and blackwater recycling were not being used, and the owner was living in a single wide mobile home hahahahaI enjoyed it though, had a nice hippy vibeus woodstock boomers go for that shit bigtime
>>519951792New and improved dimensional lumber is engineered to leave room for bond-strengthening plywood, which has also been resized to accommodate the laser precision of the metric system.
>>519951792The quality of the wood also increased.
>>519969603>many communities have minimum square footage requirements specifically to squeeze out pod-like housingI didn't know that, and I assume when you get over a certain size that can be classed as a shed you get into more stringent building code territory>rules against everything fun
>>519966290Maybe there's a legitimate reason for it, huh???!!!
>>519969054i must be getting 200 year old wood from home depot
>>519951792ran out of old trees.
>>519952119They already have engineered lumber and its not cheap. LVLs, etc.
>>519952119Beyond Wood
>>519968626>Wood is absolute trash now. I'm build my own home. I have purchased only J grade lumber. You would think I pulled it all out of a trash heap. Also its so fucking soft that nails, even with the glue barely hold on. I was running a string line when I went to pull it tight the nail on the other end slid out without resistance. The wood was so shit I got the building plans changed to be using only 2x8 and 2x10. The few spots I had to use LVLs even they are complete garbage. How is a "precision" piece of squished wood out 4mm over 4ft. Completely unacceptable. Everyday I work on this place makes me want to go on a rampage more and more.wow, good idea to overspec the sizes, I wonder if the codes are updating to reflect the shit timber quality available now
>>519968572Is there really no slow groing pine in the states or are you just bullshitting? Our slow growth pine while rare and pricey today is nothing special species wise. And it's definitely close enough to oak while still being a bit easier on tools. Not suitable for indoor stuff if rustic look is not something you want of course and definitely oak is still considerably stronger but if you are not building like a big church the difference does not matter at all.
>>519970208Because boomers demanded tons of immigrants that used up all the wood and didn’t plant more fucking trees to encourage growth for the next generations. Boomers are to blame for 100% of society’s ills.
>>519952523My bro harvested some nice red oak and it was all getting turned into railroad ties.
>>519970336cool story, kid
>>519969706>I's not advertised that way in America, it's the industry standard across the country.In other words if I come to an american store a 2x4 is not a 2x4 therefore it is retarded>You can't carry a gunyou can absolutelly carry a gun retard>How long have you worked in the construction industrygreat-Grandad, grandad and several of my uncles are carpentersthe dead ones are probably spinning in heir graves from stupidity that is a 2x4 actually beign 1,5x3,5
>>519970115interesting, can you show the label?
>>519951792they often get away with this, but i know of a case in the recent past where one of the largest manufacturers of particle board's cool marketing fellows came up with the idea to change from 8' x 4 ' sheets which has been the standard forever to a metric 2400x1200 which is often what the boards are referred to in metric land but they're actually a couple of cm's bigger than that in each direction to allow for saw cuts into 3,4,6,1200 cuts etc It was projected to save them zillions in material costs by shaving a little off each sheet like the jews they were but when they went to the exact 2400x1200 measurement everyone noticed they had to spend a shit ton more on materials and have a bunch of scrap and even their biggest buyers wouldnt take that shit and went ape shit and It lasted a few months and they had to relent back to the old ways and it cost a bunch of money to retool back and forth. Faggots.
>>519951792this is what you get when you measure in parrots.
>>519970414Shut the fuck up, Canada.
>>519970425there's no label it's an offcut
>>519966119>concrete trusses
>>519966621why do you keep saying concrete trusses deskjockey retard? structural insulated panels are already a thing and they are retarded
>>519970425pretty sure this is from the same piece, same tight virgin grain
>>519969580So I could have sawn 10x10 timbers from my best pines already some 180 years ago, now I feel dumb, all the waiting was apparently for nothing.And for the record, long summer makes inferior pine wood, the spring wood is best shit. And more than summer winter spring lengths the soil and density of your forest degermines if the growth rings are gonna be tight or lose.
>>519971115so not age then, got it
>>519970324I doubt it. The code is definitely based on theoretical strength of the lumber. This place is going to be super sturdy now. 2x10 walls, 1ft stud spacing, 2x8 trusses, 3/4 ply sheeting for walls and roof, also built the roof to hurricane spec.
>>519971387>2x10 walls, 1ft stud spacing, 2x8 trusses, 3/4 ply sheeting for walls and roof, also built the roof to hurricane spec.jfc massive haha
>>519971024Kek you I'm not talking about panels. Why does everyone's kind go to panels when talking about concrete prefab? I'm talking about prefabbed concrete structural trusses. Roughly h shaped. In a line. Framed out with non load bearing walls like normal in between.
>>519951936I lol'd>>519967585It's more correctly read as "To see"(2c) "SEXY"(6z) "Wood"(wwoD)Truly though, as we ran through the massive amounts of virgin forests in the US, we went from Dimensional members(1920), to "Nominal"members as we began to have to resort to quick growing and lower quality jack pine which has fewer number annual rings growth and subsequently shrinks more when kiln drying.The 1960's 2x4 is the same size as the 2019 2x4 BEFORE it's dried. Kinda like a Quarterpounder with cheese is always labeled: *Pre-Cooked weight.It's kind of a cheat, but not as much as you might think.Anyway... The Wise anon will get inexpensive land and build a timber frame or Earth berm house using as many salvaged parts and in-situ materials as possible.FUCK KIKES anyway!
>>519970115Not the worst by any means and honeztly impressive for modern bulk stuff but looks over 2mm on average for me, some under 1mm rings does not make it the absolute best, you can hardly see the rings when they are packed super tight. And the age has nothing to do with the tightness, only that you get bigger timbers from older trees (this really is an obvious thing but gotta repeat it for retards like you)
>>519963966> when women have to actually help nature instead of saying they love it.
>>519971672I guess you could call them concrete rigid frames rather than trusses. They wouldnt be under any tension. But I think trusses gets the point across.
>>519970052>rules against everything funand to make sure that everyone making money off of it right now are the only ones that can make money off it
>>519971750i'm glad at least you admit you're wrong, albeit in a roundabout way but i understand the ego i guess. that was just a random piece from my box of offcuts i've saved mostly for using as vise jaws. funny you would pay premium for that, i think it was about $1.80 last year for the whole 8' stick
>>519971655My life savings are going into the place, and the rest of my life will be spent there. I want it sturdy as fuck.
>>519954957>Preserving nature is communism and tranny coded sorry.WRONG!It's Eco-Fascism.Commies and Trannies can't into HOW to Nature or even WOOD!
