If there is one thing I try to relate, it is that Gold and $ilver is NOT an “investment,” but MONEY.“Dollars” and “Euros” are currency, but currency is not MONEY.First, a table listing the primary attributes of MONEY, which contrary to popular PROPAGANDA, is not just a medium of exchange. In fact, the only definitional parameters the dollar satisfies are the least important, its divisibility and fungibility. Conversely, it doesn’t come close to meeting the other four, all of which are vitally important to your financial health – particularly item #3, the necessity to maintain VALUE……which the dollar has NOT been since the Federal Reserve was unconstitutionally created in 1913, per the chart below. For that matter, you could replace the word “dollar” with ANY of the world’s nearly 200 fiat currencies, and the chart would look the same…I CANNOT EMPHASIZE THIS POINT ENOUGH, and felt compelled to reiterate it when I came across one of Miles Franklin’s marketing pamphlets, titled “GOOD MONEY MUST HAVE SEVEN CHARACTERISTICS.” This timeless piece was taken from Richard Russell of Dow Theory Letters, and nothing proves my point better:(1) It must be durable, which is why we don’t use wheat or corn or rice.(2) It must be divisible, which is why we don’t use art work.(3) It must be convenient, which is why we don’t use lead or copper.(4) It must be consistent, which is why we don’t use real estate.(5) It must possess value in itself, which is why we don’t use paper. (or bytes on the internet)(6) It must be limited in the quantity that is available, which is why we don’t use aluminum or iron.(7) It should have a long history of acceptance, which is why we don’t use molybdenum or rhodium.Only GOLD and SILVER fit all seven characteristics.
>>520331180Bad goy!!
I kind of want to get more silver but man it's pricy right now.200 or so oz will definitely put me ahead of most normalfags if a collapse happens before kikes suppress the price even more
>>520331180Whenever your enemies tell you exactly how they plan to enslave you, you should listen to them.
>>520331180>Only GOLD and SILVER fit all seven characteristics.Bro are you really trying to suggest that buttcoin won't be used to buy goods in the future? What are you a communist?
>>520331325>200 or so oz will definitely put me ahead of most normalfags if a collapse happensI don't have the infographic on this computer but basically this is the deal: if you have mere 60 oz of silver you are in the top 1% of silver holders worldwide. You shouldn't stack silver only for collapse insurance, but even if you did you're already set. 60 oz should be the absolute minimum that every white male should aim for, anything after that is about preserving buying power.
How exactly does silver end the fed?
>>520331325>I kind of want to get more silver but man it's pricy right now. If you think it's pricey now, just wait fren.>not going back edition Means exactly that. I personally try to tell people, "if you think stupidity is expensive, wait until you try wilful ignorance." Making a commitment to 1 ounce a week and keeping it regularly regardless of the narratives or the propogqndized market activity isn't hard with silver, and once the stack is there, the time went by either way. It's harder with gold because the stack is smaller, and the fiat fedbux costs are higher, but I'm pretty sure that the goal of valuations through the currencies so that you and don't possess money.
>silberhaha meme rocks and something something bitcoin haha i'm a bot lmao kektop
>>520331641Retard, it's already explained. OP doing a bad job as usual but lucky I found the thread early. See here >>520331368The Federal Reserve is a confiscation scheme. They do this in a very sadistic way by making the product of your past work less and less valuable as time goes on. Gold and silver completely break this scheme by allowing you to preserve buying power into the future.
>>520331811Wild claims like silver ends the fed need a little more than few copy and paste definitions of money.
>>520331479>Bro are you really trying to suggest that buttcoin won't be used to buy goods in the future?Bitcoin is a currency by definition and admittedly so in it's own whiepaper.Source: Bitcoin.org https://share.google/YjfbplnwWrRx8Pk9s>What are you a communist?Nah, I'm a realist, if it's real, it's true.
>>520331674>just waitWe really need to do better and update our infographics about why people are saying silver instead of gold. It's important to explain that the historical ratio of gold to silver is about 1 to 16 the current ratio is about 1 to 90 so it's just a matter of silver having an absolutely enormous potential upside during a price discovery compared to gold.If Silver maintained its historical price ratio it wasn't being artificially suppressed, It'd be worth about $270 an ounce right now, give or take.
>>520331180/thread
>>520331180jews are paid to make sure you buy silver (instead Bitcoin)
>>520331958>Wild claims like silver ends the fed need a little more than few copy and paste definitions of money.OK, thanks for the critique. Think of the FED as:Fucking Everyone Daily And you're tired of throwing down the soap. So, one day, you realize that the digits of value that are being exponentially manufactured are not value but instead are a way to siphon value from your ass. Essentially, you see that there's no limit to the amount of these value units that they manufacture, and there's no way to stop manufacturing them because what they really represent is your ass.What do you do about it?>pic related is from less than 1 year ago.Tick tock fren.
Buy silver
Just ignore the memeflag bot that was programed to operate in bad faith to convince you to rug pull yourself Into digital currency gambling. >520332246>520332296
>>520331958Well I don't know about the fed but the Great Reset depends on cheap technology, which depends on cheap silver. If randos buy up all the silver then they either have to drastically scale back the project or they have to do door to door confiscations, which they don't have the manpower to do.
u cant just buy silver GOYIM
>>520332355>Buy silverChecked and keked Funny because currencies were created so women couldn't loose money.
>>520332320The basic premise of the anti-silver shilling is hilarious if you think about it for even a few seconds. Like this aggressive group of posters really has your best interest in mind by trying to talk you out of buying the only asset class that is real money and has been for 10,000 years.>I'm just trying to help you goy!Lmao
>>520332573>the Great Reset depends on cheap technologyWhat "Great Reset"?Are you just parroting the projections of protagonists fren?Image of Great White Cock unrelated.
>>520332764>The basic premise of the anti-silver shilling is hilarious if you think about it for even a few seconds. Like this aggressive group of posters really has your best interest in mindWhatever you do goy, don't leave the casino. >Pic related "the casino"
>>520332573>door to door confiscationsThis will not work a second time. It barely worked the first time.
>>520331180Bump.
>>520332687>u cant just buy silver GOYIMu can't just sell silver MERCHANT.>aquire hold repeat
Real inflation is about 10% and the dollar has already lost almost 96% of its value. This is why retards keep getting poorer and poorer no matter how much they work. Any savings you had keeps getting continually eroded until all of the work you did in order to acquire the savings is worth nothing. > Use banks goy!Faggots from tomorrow already stole whatever you earned today, you just don't realize it yet.
>Supreme Chancellor: Remember your early history lessons, Anon. "All who hold wealth fear losing it." Even the bankers.Anon Skywalker: But the bankers used their wealth for stability!>Supreme Chancellor: Stability is a point of view, Anon.The Weimar Republic and its bankers were similar to speculators in almost every way, including their obsession with holding onto wealth.Anon Skywalker: The speculators hoarded for their own gain.They thought inwards, only about themselves.>Supreme Chancellor: And the bankers didn’t?Anon Skywalker: The bankers were selfless! They only cared about saving the economy!>Supreme Chancellor: [smirking, slightly exasperated] Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Weimar The Broke?Anon Skywalker: No.>Supreme Chancellor: I thought not. It’s not a story the economists would tell you. It’s a financial legend.Weimar Germany was a republic so broke and so desperate, it could print money faster than the Hutts run a galactic casino. They began to focus on identity politics such as immigration and LGBTQ, They were too busy partying away the wealth created from the strong Prussian workforce and military, they bacame hedonistic, well past the point of even roman debauchery. Even after the treaty of Versailles stripped their country of wealth, they partied and printed. They had such faith in their Papiermark, they thought they could keep the economy alive... without silver or gold.Anon Skywalker: They could actually... run an economy without silver?>Supreme Chancellor: The Dark Side of fiat currency is a pathway to many happenings some consider to be...unnatural.Anon Skywalker: Wh-What happened to them?>Supreme Chancellor: They became reckless...the only thing they feared was running out of ink. Unfortunately, they printed so many Papiermarks to pay off war debts and reparations, a loaf of bread ended up costing a trillion marks.Ironic.They were all millionaires overnight but could not buy themselves out of financial ruin.
>>520331958Silver hyper easy to squeeze the physical supply (less above ground than gold for fraction of cost & not in Jewish central banker hands).That causes nationwide panic into silverWhich cascades to nationwide panic into gold (also scarce af) This collapses trust in dollar and since it's already on shaky ground it collapses the fed under its own weight.Picture butterfly on one side of powerlifters bar
>>520332093>We really need to do better and update our infographics about why people are saying silver instead of gold.Both silver and gold have been money for millennia, the reason silver insisted of gold is simply because it is moar useful and more suppressed right now. https://youtu.be/sp2mUALpaM0Waking up to the fact that currencies aren't money is the first step to individual sovereignty
SETF needs to push harder to help normies understand inflation. If you don't understand how inflation steals your money then you can never understand how silver and gold fix it.
>>520331180>It must possess value in itselfNothing has value in itself or “intrinsic value.” Value is only determined by supply and demand.
>>520331180didn't see one in agesrecently copped a little in the dip and stand at 1200 ozt silver nowthey always say /pol/ is such a shithole but 2020-2024 had me go unvaxxed and lock in my paper for actual value, couldn't be happier
>>520331674>"if you think stupidity is expensive, wait until you try wilful ignorance."quote of the day my fren
>>520333794>what is pussy?
>>520332877Call them who you want and call it what you want, but we all know that "they" want to implement a global panopticon with digital currencies and social credit scores as central features. They don't even bother to hide it these days.
>>520331180>Gold and $ilver is NOT an “investment,”Of course they are an investment. I invested $500k into gold and silver in late 2023 and now I have over $1 million. I was motivated to do this because of central bank buying. I expect it to appreciate to over $1.7 million by the end of 2026. That’s the very definition of an investment.
I originally started stacking silver because I was really worried about inflation. Hyperinflation is a real risk, even in modern times and even in first world countries. When they were really pushing the great reset I started wondering about where I might be able to put savings that was immune to hyperinflation. After doing a lot of research I eventually figured out that it's basically silver.So I bought my first few stacks of silver and I remember distinctly opening them and holding the coins in my hand and noting how unusually heavy they were. It was a strange feeling. Even though this for me was mostly an academic exercise in trying to preserve my buying power, I had a very strange reaction because I remember thinking to myself for the first time ever: >This is what real money feels likeI realize up until that point, I had never touched actual money before.
>>520333733>why it's a good thingThis phrase always makes me rage every time I see it. The fucking contempt kikes have for their goyim is unreal. Unfortunately, this is about as complex as you can get when programming mutts. The US is on a different level of fucked.
>>520331961bitcoin in itself had good intentions, and in a hyper-connected sincere world I CAN see it work.But.due to its value if embedded into the banking system like it is today being highly volatile, and also it not being the market maker currency (i.e. people still value things in USD instead of bitcoin), adaptation in real life is slow, and the value violently fluctuates. It's also 100% traceable, and all the exchanges jumping in with huge node farms ripped the decentralized part straight out of the system by force.It also relying on an open internet means it's flawed in the core for its core purpose. Government and banking are NOT seperated entities, as we've learned, so if daddy government wants your funny money to void, they'll simply shut down internet access for a country. More likely than you think, can even be camouflaged as "le ebil russki hackers"
>>520333733Checked >SETF needs to push harder to help normies understand inflation. And what would you recommend? Concentration camps? Labor training incentives? Massive public works projects like holocoasters? If normies gonna choose indebtedness, litterally using buy now pay later for pizza, then they serve their bellies and ultimately will not choose to understand. The ideological push of living hand to mouth is everywhere and in everything, it "is" the taskmaster systems of false value. One must choose to adapt and overcome the circumstance, to become the change.
>>520333794>Nothing has value in itselfOpinion discarded based on your assertion.
>>520331180fucking bump
>>520334227>people still value things in USD instead of bitcoinNobody values things in terms of gold and silver either. Bitcoin has always been positioned as digital gold. That’s why the process of minting new bitcoin has always been called “mining.”
>>520331180imagine falling for the jewish silver-scam, instead getting rich on Bitcoin LOLthe same few paid boomers shill it for years, they missed out on +500% on your money
>>520334232I've told everyone at work that it might be a good idea, with all the reasons.Was branded a schizo when I first told the story ~2022.Fast forward to 2 weeks ago, some of them suddenly remember that shit and start to treat me like someone knowing his shit, the recent charts really do help to convince them that not everything you read in effortposts online is schizophrenic ramblings of the unwell.They all do a little trading on the side, some ETFs, some degenerate leverage, I outperformed all of their portfolios by having bought silver in 2021, for every single year since then as well.
>>520334295Intrinsic value is complete nonsense. Might as well start believing in the labor theory of value.
>>520334446>Bitcoin has always been positioned as digital gold.
>>520334227You can see BTC working? How? Every one of your transactions public ledger for big daddy government to see?
>>520334168>this is about as complex as you can get when programming muttsFair statement I'm afraid.>>520334232>And what would you recommend? >Concentration camps? A man can dream. It's obviously pointless to try to explain complex concepts to retards, perhaps midwits should be the target. The layers of abstraction are the only real defense the scheme has.
>>520334446that's the funny part, the very believability of the system can be neatly measured by the current price of gold. A dollar today is worth not even a SINGLE 1971 penny. We know thanks to the gold price. You are right in day to day commerce, but oh boy are you wrong macroeconomically.
>>520334035>Call them who you wantThey/Them are Lies.Whomever they/them inhabits become (((they))) This is a profound truth. Digest it before you respond fren. We do not need worry about the imaginations of men playing God, we're able to see the truth manifest all around us and seize a portion to cultivate into prosperity simply because it is evident what is real is true and what is true is real. >They don't even bother to hide it these days. (((They))) are projecting what they want us to accept, but one who will not comply with a lie can not be controlled or consumed.
>>520334513What an ignorant meme. Bitcoin isn’t trying to be gold like a man tries to be a woman. It’s simply taking the best properties of gold and discarding the worst to make the greatest form of money ever.
>>520331180We're not helping bail you out of your impulsive past financial blunders.
>>520334074Sounds like you "SAVED" purchasing power and potential, and that by definition is savings.
>>520334629it would depend on A LOT of "please don't break this" and "trust me bros" but if finance and government would get out of their shared bed and truly be independent (and this is a commie-tier delusion lmao), it COULD work. It won't because humans always work the same, greed is a thing and jews exist.Bitcoin would've worked under Hitler.
>>520334720Bitcoin isn't even the best cryptocurrency.
>>520331180Chyna is making gold great again by making rmb convertible to gold, and allowing settlement be made in gold for oil and ore purchases, fed toilet paper on death watch.
>>520334720lolwas that an advertisement?
>>520334509>Intrinsic value is complete nonsenseYour argument can be boiled down to "I don't understand why it has intrinsic value, therefore it doesnt" imo it's evident that the absolute presence of silver as money across cultures and histories has shown that in the irrational human reality (the only reality that matters), silver was always deemed to be valuable for some (dareisayit) intrinsic reason. You may make the argument that in a mathematical and philosophical sense nothing is "intrinsic" but that's the same hodgepodge as philosophers as a whole, its often devoid of reality. In this reality something about silver is intrinsically valuable, it's just that logically we don't fully understand it
>>520334105Honest post fren.>I realize up until that point, I had never touched actual money before.Wondering why "touch grass" is so popular? Maybe because just like currencies, it's green, and here today and gone tomorrow...>controlled opposition narratives
kek>lazy skimmers dread real price discovery
The boss has won. Not you.
>>520334653We are in agreement that the dollar is, and will always be, a gold derivative. The dollar worked because it solved the inherent problems gold has as money. The dollar was then abused and corrupted by our government. This is another reason why gold is flawed money. I say this as someone who owns a shitload of gold.
>>520334636>A man can dream. It's obviously pointless to try to explain complex concepts to retards, perhaps midwits should be the target. The layers of abstraction are the only real defense the scheme has. I like my juice fully concentrated personally.
>>520334501Ok so guess easiest possible way to explain to midwits would be to just make the statement that money in a bank slowly erodes away, or dissolves. If you think they have enough brain cells you can explain that it's not the number that goes down it's what the number can buy.It's the opposite of what banks are supposed to do. >It's not a savings account it's a losings account.Buying silver is just an objectively superior way to save your money. Never frame it as an investment but as a way to lock in buying power. >Silver and Gold are the only TRUE savings account.Then the easiest task is probably explaining that 60 oz of silver will put them in the top 1% of silver holders worldwide. It's a pretty reasonable prospect for people that could probably purchase that with a few weeks of income. It is the cheapest insurance they will ever buy in their entire lives and they only have to pay for it once can always get a full refund if they change their mind.
>>520334227>Bitcoin in itself had good intentions False start statement because without evidence of the source itself is purely speculation in trust if the unknown. >so if daddy government wants your funny money to void, they'll simply shut down internetAnd here is an overwhelming reach as it was unnecessary to shut down anything to seize bitcoin from "bad actors" as deemed by the aforementioned big daddy government. This poster isn't really thinking or is compromised.
>>520334847he made the point for some bullshit reason but he is correct anon. Oil was at one time thought of as a fucking nuisance when it came bubbling out of the ground and ruined your field, for example.the only thing with gold and silver is that humans generally find is valuable for whatever reason. they are the things which, after food and water, humans generally assign value to and are therefore a fairly safe store of wealth. but there is nothing built into them that makes them valuable.
>>520331180Will silver go back down? When? Will it keep going up? Why? Trade war?
We're all gonna fuckin make it bros
>>520334792Of course Bitcoin is the best cryptocurrency. It’s the only one with a decentralized layer 2, ensuring lightning fast private transactions and complete censorship resistance. It’s also the only cryptocurrency that can be trusted because of its complete resistance to attack and predetermined issuance cap.
First:US Gold Notes and US Silver Notes are interest-free, metals-backed, NON-fiat notes that could be issued by the US Treasury TODAY.US Notes are interest-free, fiat notes that could be issued by the US Treasury TODAY, they can also be metals-backed and were intended to be used as a tool for the citizens to trade.Federal Reserve Notes are DEBT-BASED, fiat notes issued out of thin air by the privately-incorporated, now-BANKRUPT Federal Reserve 12 regional franchises and are currently bankrupting the US Treasury.All of the above are ALL DENOMINATED IN US DOLLARS (aka $US), which is a fucking UNIT. And secondly, there are FOUR ways currency is created in the US:1 Congressionally-approved Public Issues treasuries for deficit spending via the issuance of marketable US treasuries sold by the NYFed’s primary dealers aka Debt Held by the Public (now ~$38 T)2 Intragovernmental Debt GAS securities (aka ‘Unfunded Liabilities’) that are created/issued for currency to run public agencies (over ~$134 T now) and ARE PURCHASED WITH YOUR PAYROLL TAXES. TRUMP JUST CUT $18 TRILLION off of this. PICREL3 The commercial tier 2 depository banking sector, it makes small loans in which only the interest remains in the banking system after the loan is paid back (the principal and repayments are destroyed when the loan is repaid) —this can remain when the Fed is dissolved4 QE, this is fucking counterfeiting by the now-insolvent NYFed's primary dealers since 2008 via IOER (now called IORB) and we pay all sorts of interest on this, increasing every day with raising ratesjust so we are all on the same page
>>520331180You got scammed those are fakes worth less than pennies
>>520334847Silver has been mostly demonetized. The only reason it’s rallying lately is in sympathy with gold.
>>520334509>Intrinsic value is complete nonsense. Might as well start believing in the labor theory of value.The lumber was a tree first, and the arguments that all value doesn't originally come from and serve life are inherently kikeminded tripe.
>the IRS and cryptoBTC provides four functions for the Fed:1 the destruction of private, non-stablecoin crypto use as a currency2 a potential global financial crisis3 BTC market price arbitrage to give one last fleecing to boomers fleeing the Federal Reserve Note4 normalization and adoption of tokenization to force everyone into using the Fed’s new debt-backed stablecoin tokens
>520334466Beep, boop, bought, sold...
>>520334965the average normie doesn't pay attention for more than one election cycle, no wonder history teaches us FIAT money comes in cycles and you can set your clock to it
>>520335350Lumber could be rendered obsolete by 3D printed homes. Again, value is only determined by supply and demand.
>>520331674I'm thinking of shifting to junk silver. I've got a good bit of gold and a fuck ton of 999 silver already.Prices seem to be better with junk right now. Was in the gold dealer thread and have been watching junk prices a little.
>>520335305>ntragovernmental Debt GAS securities (aka ‘Unfunded Liabilities’) that are created/issued for currency to run public agencies (over ~$134 T now) and ARE PURCHASED WITH YOUR PAYROLL TAXES. TRUMP JUST CUT $18 TRILLION off of this. PICRELoops sorry this image with this text
>>520335195I'm not really thinking right now, just woke up.Buttcoin is shit anyways, I "own" zero of them. But a shitload of silver will keep me moderately affluent, hope I can shoot a house for myself.
>>520335472have you considered 9999 silver?
>>520334501>I've told everyone at work that it might be a good idea, with all the reasons. >Was branded a schizo when I first told the storyWait until you say Jesus Christ of Nazareth was God's words made man, God incarnate. They're gonna crucify you...
>>520335445It still wouldn't be obsolete even then. Lumber has so many uses it's insane. The entire banking system is based around creating an abstract (or virtual) concept of wealth detached from reality.The reality is you still live in the physical world and have physical needs (food security, resource security, and industry are needed to meet them). Kikes seethe that they can't control physical reality so they instead install a virtual reality, but the thing is that you live in the physical reality so the virtual reality eventually fails. Same with ai tech fags, they literally forget physical reality exists.
>>520335589>religion out of nowheremy discord account is STILL limited due to having been on the same server as you kek
Yea but isnt gold and silver just metal that people decided to value, same as paper currency has been given a value by people, in both cases people can just decide that they are no longer valuable and youre back to trading commodities like fish and water
>>520334745>We're not helping bail you out of your impulsive past financial blunders.1pbtid isn't "We"
Crypto, housing, credit, tech, loans. All in a bubble. Silver will moon and so will gold. It will be obvious in hindsight. Normalfags will be rugpulled like usual.
>>520335688of course. its just that gold and silver seem to be considered valuable by people almost on the same level as food and water.
>>520334777Checked >Bitcoin would've worked under Hitler. Because the jews were going, going, gone?
>>520335382>>the IRS and cryptoCrypto and the IRS where did you get it and what did you pay?what did you buy with it and who did you pay and what was it worth at that point in time?do you have crypto that is laying idle, how long was it idle and what was that worth when you bought it and where did you get it?fucking kekthis is the VERY FUCKING OPPOSITE of the anonymity expected in a decentralized blockchainboomers just spent decades crying about the planet and now want the most expensive infrastructure, energy intensive, water-using, elitist possible currency they can come up withat this point, the more you use your cell phone the more responsible you are for your own demise
>>520335587Nah, I have over 20 kilos of 999 silver now, I'm going to need something in small denomination like junk
>>520335657Bitcoin relies on real mechanical transistors controlled by a voltage differential. You must be ignorant of computer science if you think it doesn’t exist in the physical world.
>>520334806>fed toilet paper on death watch.Hence the pivot into digital currencies, especially the one's created by them and shilled covertly as digital gold.
>>520335305See this is simply too complicated and nuanced for a normie or midwit even though it's true. Too many moving parts and too many layers of abstraction. It's academic and not pragmatic. It's like trying to explain how gravity works by distorting spacetime to someone hanging off a ledge. Vietcong bro is right about that.
>>520335688not only has that decision deemed good enough for thousands of years, it's also based on availability.For historic people, fish was infinite and came from the sea. Cow Milk, for what it's worth, also seemingly infinite. How do you derive value? Is fishing harder than raising cattle?Along came the miners who found some shiny rocks. They were really beautiful, but whereever they looked, no shot at finding more. Nowadays you can tech it, but turns out that's a shitload of work as well, and they don't come packed in neat clumps either, you have to mulch a goddamn mountain to get some. Rare earths could go into the same category - available everywhere, but in minute quantities. Purifying Gold is a shitton of labour, and in stark contrast to fish and milk - you won't eat that. Perfect as money, it never spoils. Silver gets milk spots, Gold? Nope. Both are relatively rare, and well known to be 1:8 in the earth's crust.
>>520335790thats quite a lot anon. almost as if you're addicted
>>520335808correct, that makes my waifu real!
>>520335210>the only thing with gold and silver is that humans generally find is valuable for whatever reason.Reasons...
I understand wanting to stack silver & gold, but what's the schizo derangement against the dollar? You're gonna have to sell your PM's back to get cash to pay for groceries, utility bills, health insurance, w/e. You're still a slave to FIAT, you just have a different investment vehicle.
>>520335265>Will silver go back down? When? >Silver "is" money it never moves or changed, change, changes. >Will it keep going up? Why? Trade war?Yes
>>520335848>See this is simply too complicated and nuanced for a normie or midwit even though it's true.it is old hat on /pol/don't worry, I have explained it ad nauseum in the most excruciating detaileveryone here knows the basics which are:notice on the top half of pic rel the NYFed squeezes out the citizens' currency and pays its ilk IORB and RRP instead, while also buying houses and bondsit clearly prioritizes enriching its private owner banks over the citizens having a currencywhy doesn't trump ever mention this?b/c fucking trump thinks the Fed is the housethe FUCKING US TAXPAYER IS THE FUCKING HOUSE
>>520332093>$270 an ounce right nowAre you telling me I should get more silver?I mean I already have around 15 kilos of silver but okay, I will get more.Anything to fuck the bankers in the ass.
>>520336028Ehhhh, you're wrong. But unlike 5 years ago when I actually typed walls of text explaining this shit now I don't care. You'll see for yourself how worthless fist is and how silver and gold will be a mainstay for transactions.
>>520335472The only I go for anymore are mercs. They're very beautiful. Makes me wonder how exactly they started calling it "junk" silver.
>>520335305>that could beWon't be>All of the above are ALL DENOMINATED IN US DOLLARS (aka $US), which is a fucking UNIT. Yup>And secondly, there are FOUR ways currency is created in the US: You forgot cryptocurrencies fren.>just so we are all on the same pageThis is why we're not.
I think of PMs as insurance.
>>520335322>You got scammed those are fakes worth less than penniesSome niggers will always be niggers.
>>520335430Back in 2020 I bought a kilo of those German .925 coins for 750 euros.
>>520336234Good day, anon>>And secondly, there are FOUR ways currency is created in the US: >You forgot cryptocurrencies they are fucking destroying crypto use right nowdid you see my clarity act (not passed yet) and chainalysis threads?
>>520335657Maybe your counter argument should be that something whose value never goes to zero has intrinsic value? Fiat currency obviously doesn't qualify.
>>520336025whatever that reason is, it's not something physically present in the material. its just what we assign it.
>>520336243i think of them as a way to park wealth. like putting your wealth into stasis.
>>520335445>Lumber could be rendered obsolete by 3D printed homes. Again, value is only determined by supply and demand.Another bad faith argument as the satisfaction is the asset and the asset is the satisfaction thereby the demand being met by the suppy of a tangible, measured actual thing in activity of life to serve life. Foookofff demon
>>520335472Quantity of money for as little currencies as possible is always wise
>>520336420>Fiat currency obviously doesn't qualify.kek this is the ONLY fucking option that entirely benefits the citizen'fiat' isn't the problemWHO IS ISSUING the 'fiat' IS THE PROBLEM and that the Fed's private fiat IS INTEREST-BEARING is the fucking problemFIAT, CREDIT-BASED INTEREST-FREE US NOTES ISSUED BY THE US TREASURY WORK FOR THE PEOPLE AND ARE INTENDED TO BE AN INTEREST-FREE TOOL TO FACILITATE COMMERCEFIAT, DEBT-BASED, USURIOUS, INTEREST-BEARING FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES ARE FUCKING BORROWED FROM THE PRIVATELY-INCORPORATED NY FEDERAL RESERVE FRANCHISE AND ONLY ENRICH THE NYFED’S PRIMARY DEALERS AND THEIR CRONY/POLITICAL ILK AND ENSLAVE THE POPULATION IN BOND DEBT Fiat is given value BY A NATION'S CITIZENS.If the nation's treasury is the one issuing it, fiat is not a problem.
>>520335539>But a shitload of silver will keep me moderately affluent, hope I can shoot a house for myself.Every ounce saved is actually the protection of others that we won't have to kill and eat if the circumstances turn bad. They just don't realize that.
>>520336431This is a purely semantic argument. You know what he's saying. Come on now.>>520336486I have described it like hitting "save" button on your buying power.
>melted 2500 ounces of silver at 52.37>27 ounces of gold at 4102Im not mad at selling when I did. I own a couple Pawn shops and have anywhere from 20-90% of apot price in it depending on the day. The bulk of the silver was bought below $35 spot and gold was bought under $3200 spot.
>>520335684>my discord account is STILL limited due to having been on the same server as you kekIt's in the name of the platform fren, (((discord))) not harmony. I'm truly sorry for the inconvenience, but not sorry if you're relationship with truth is secure.
>>520336222I have a few rolls of mercs. I like them because they're so distinctive and are immediately recognizable to anyone looking for silver.Just to sort of brag,I have a few old denari from like 300-400bc as well, they're in good condition. I almost want to post pics here of some of the more historical coins I have but am uncomfortable with it given the rarity of some of them and the markings being distinctive. I worry it might dox me to some coin nerds I know and I prefer anonymity.Sorry for that segue.
>>520336365https://www.gold.de/kaufen/silbermuenzen/dm-gedenkmuenzen/?stkl=9,69%20gthey go for like -3,81% of spot right now, reserves are massive and tons of people in tight spots get squeezed out of what little they have, I bet tons of inherited collections are being turned inAfter getting 8 bars I only went these and other junk metals so I have tons of small stores of value
>>520336719>This is a purely semantic argument. You know what he's saying. Come on now.its really not. assigned value is not intrinsic value. thats all thats being said.
I will say US Notes should be at least pegged or fractionally-/wholly-backed by metalscopper and silver are in a good position to be used
>>520335766>at this point, the more you use your cell phone the more responsible you are for your own demiseIt's worse than a 1950s businessmans necktie
>>520335918Fish and milk don't make bombs and missiles though. This is why silver and gold substantiated the value thresholds of empires.
>>520336841>have a few old denari from like 300-400bcThat is fucking awesome. I'm not really much into coin collecting per se. I don't have any denari but I do have one of the original 100 trillion Zimbabwe notes. I framed it and hang it up, it's like a reminder to myself to never forget how full of shit these arbitrary systems really are. More symbolic than anything.
>>520336150>the FUCKING US TAXPAYER IS THE FUCKING HOUSEActually we're nothing moar than cattle from their perspective, (stock) in their market to be rehypoticaed.
>>520335808Uh, no, it's not any more real then the numbers in my bank account. It's literally an abstract concept using physical infrastructure to display it.>>520335940Hell yeah bro>>520336420No, my argument is that physical reality will always trump abstract concepts with no basis in physical reality. Even gold and silver as a store of value is an abstract concept, but it at least has anchors in physical reality.Economies are built on food, resources, and industry (ability to process resources into something useful). Banking is just jew magic used to determine distribution of these processed resources (money is abstraction of resources, a place holder, you know this), and is not a essential building block of the actual economy (production of finished goods).The west is currently missing 1 out of 3 of those essential blocks (industry), while the east is for the most part missing 2 of 3 (food and resources, with the exception of Russia having all three, and India being food secure as long as they have access to foreign resources, i.e. potash fertilizer).Long term west is better poised but has a poisonous economic system robbing and weakening them in order to subvert and control population.Bitcoin is just fiat on steroids that is trackable and can be locked easier.
>>520336864Even though they are .625 purity its still silver.Gram after gram, ounce after ounce.
But I was told to shove coins up my butt, and gain lots of money via buttcoins.Are you telling me that a digital prison requires something like bitcoin ledgers???
>>520337361That's actually pretty cool.Now that you gave me the idea i want to find a note and show my children so I can visually demonstrate these concepts.
>>520337123
>>520336415>they are fucking destroying crypto use right now This is the one thing that you didn't forsee coming? Fren, the policy makers don't fear competing currencies, they fear money
>>520331180What if u buy.SLV or PAXG?
>>520336431>whatever that reason is, it's not something physically present in the material. its just what we assign it.And if I were to say "you and your opinions are worthless" that in and of itself isn't completely true, because you are alive right?
>>520337498Ah wait there is a second tab for .925 on that site.
>>520337498The problem is the less purity you have the less percent of spot you can sell for. After this recent fiasco im writing off anything tbat isn't fine silver. No more.90% or sterling.
>>520337571i will post two posts about threads for the clarity act and chainalysis. the Clarity Act (if passed) is going to make it so:-the SEC and the CFTC will decide what is a MATURE blockchain-the SEC and CFTC will decide which blockchain is legit-the SEC and CFTC will decide the international rules for all blockchain unilaterally-they will decide these rules AFTER the clarity act is passed kek-they will make everyone register within 270 days of the Clarity Act passing-you must hold blockchain for at least a year for it to be legit-anyone not registered (abandoned wallets will be worthless--and they also draw out the cold wallets waiting on the sidelines)^^^^^this is just in the first 145/550 pagesClarity Act thread:https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518107303/we went through the first ~80/550 pages of the Clarity ActPages 90-144of the Clarity Act (in a a JPM biometric and clarity act thread):https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518782717/THIS BILL HAS NOT YET BEEN PASSED
>>520337675although you dont, there are other people that assign my very simple opinion some value. get back to me when you've discovered the intrinsic value molecules in gold and silver. lol
>>520337571>don't fear competing currencies, they fear moneythey fear people realizing their LABOR is the real gold
Based thread. Here's my current stack.
>>520336619>fiat' isn't the problem >WHO IS ISSUING the 'fiat' IS THE PROBLEM Correct. If you asked yourself the one following question:Who issues silver and gold? Not Who mints them or is purifying them or even mined them, but who issues them?You shall see that Lumber or milk or fish or whatever the units are must originally stem from the satisfaction and sustatinment of life therefore it must also originate from that end. When the people in the position of stewardship of satisfaction of life understand and respect life and aren't giving to envy and greed then societies and civilizations flourish, this is not the current situation.
>>520337973they look bigger than they actually are
>>520336803it's a burner account my friend, as if some numbers on a screen would be valuable to memuch nicer to see you safe and sound, I was worried for a while that they'd share the logs with my government and I'd have trouble a-brewin, same for you
>>520337973Nice start. You need to keep stacking until you get to 60 oz minimum. That is the cutoff point that will put you in the top 1% of silver holders worldwide.
>>520337297to be fair they didn't exactly make bombs and missiles in Roman times.which just goes to show 1:15 may be historic but now we ALSO have industrial use to account for, so law of supply and demand should dictate even higher values
>>520337712But there must be a market even for sterling silver.
>>520337888Chainalysis reports all the reasons crypto can be seized and the patterns and structure of known illegal wallets, they also say if another wallet even has 10% of its crypto from a dirty wallet it too can be seized when it goes to cash in on a crypto exchangeRecent Chainalysis thread:https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518476506/https://www.coinspeaker.com/chainalysis-flags-75b-in-illicit-crypto-as-governments-eye-strategic-reserves/https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/landscape-of-seizable-crypto-assets-2025/
>The Gadsden flag bitchcoin bot has been as pathetic as everguess we're back
>>520337694if you value high silver content, go get the frencoinhttps://www.gold.de/kaufen/silbermuenzen/drittes-reich/?stkl=12,5%20gfor whatever reason Hitler decided his 5 Reichsmarks should have 90% silver in them.
>>520337973Ygmi
>>520337482>No, my argument is that physical reality will always trump abstract concepts with no basis in physical reality. Even gold and silver as a store of value is an abstract concept, but it at least has anchors in physical reality. >Economies are built on food, resources, and industry (ability to process resources into something useful).Economy serves empire hence the deriving of the name. And that is why silver and gold are higher in the hierarchical order See:>>520337297There is no peaceful civilization without preparing for war.
>>520338318Why not this one?
>>520338083fiat is just a tool of cooperation amongst citizens to tradeit will always be a FORM of any national currencyi do agree its issuance should at least be pegged to metalscongrats on the silver rise btw
>>520337712the problem is not the content itself, the problem is that if you sell in an extreme silver shortage, the refineries are overloaded and begin to triage their workload, the more junk in your silver the later they get even considered for smelting. Then again, that implies "selling". Keep track of what you bought and how much silver % is in it, so you can later on barter them directly for tobacco and alcohol with very accurate info. Making a little folder (paper printout) with pictures of the coins and some info around them just to have with you WILL make you trustworthy in times of crisis.
>>520338237In the US rhe largest commercial smelter (elemetal) has stopped buying it for a few weeks until it levels out. So essentially there is ni major player buying it which means mid level and small buyers aren't buying it aren't paying what they normally.do.
>>520337888Check>-the SEC and the CFTC will decide what is a MATURE blockchain They're already lying saying currencies are assets. Lol>>520337968>they fear people realizing their LABOR is the real goldThis is a false equivalent as I can't hand my labor to my progeny. Just face it fren, the resistance is to stop playing make-believe with liars and stack.
>>520338083what you should be focusing on is NO PAPER CONTRACTS FOR METALSpic rel is only worse now i am sure
>>520337973Drop the commie flag and ygmi
>>520338448this one in particular, the 2 Marks, go for ridiculous premiums AND contain less silver, 62.5% to be precise, whereas the 5 RM version is 90%. Which one of the 3 available RM versions you get doesn't matter silver-wise, but the ones with the funny cross on them go for more money even in goddamn Germany. They have to censor it on eBay lmaoBought my first ones for 12€s
>>520338412Currently we need silver and gold to make weapons, previously that wasn't the case and it may not always remain the case.I'm making the argument that currency is an abstract concept in all forms, however currency based on physical forms is going to be more secure than purely abstract and virtual forms given the fact it is anchored in physical reality. Obviously PMs have pretty much always been the western standard. Pre Columbian American empires used feathers though, but I personally think PMs are much more secure than feathers as a form of currency. Ultimately it all derives from barter though.
>>520338122Checked it's a burner account my friend, as if some numbers on a screen would be valuable to me No such thing fren and I think you know that. >much nicer to see you safe and sound, I was worried for a while that they'd share the logs with my government and I'd have trouble a-brewin, same for you They came to intimidate me in the flesh, but they don’t own it, so they had to depart. Never let fear separate you from your relationship with truth because truth is eternal, fear only pays dividends to the flesh in the temporal.
>>520338210Indeed
>>520338734Interesting. I might get one just to have it. I'm sentimental like that.
>>520338679you can certainly hand the fruits of your labor to your progeny, this is hair splitting, just as passing down skill and knowledge also has very tangible benefitgold is A FORM of currencygold only enriches those that hold it, immediately destroying its use as a sole form of currencyfiat benefits the citizens if you are hoping for gold to be the sole form of currency b/c it will make yourself rich, this defeats currency's use for trade in a societya strong currency form does NOT FLUCTUATE IN VALUEwe all know what a dollar is worth, it is eared in our mind, unlike commodities that can become scarce
>>520338295>>The Gadsden flag bitchcoin bot has been as pathetic as ever >guess we're backWe never left.
>MFW reading a thread about lolberts' minds exploding because they decided that money and currency aren't basically synonyms and they've found some secret of the universe in discovering that paper with green microprinting on it isn't inherently valuable without a government backing it, and the ultimate expression of this mindblowing moment is to define two common words differently
>>520339183>we all know what a dollar is worth, it is *seared in our mind, unlike commodities that can become scarce
>>520338923>Obviously PMs have pretty much always been the western standard. Pre Columbian American empires used feathers though, but I personally think PMs are much more secure than feathers as a form of currency. Ultimately it all derives from barter though.Pre Columbia sacrificial blood offerings for a good crop was the government of the day not feathers, nice effort of shilling tho.
>>520338477>congrats on the silver rise btwSilver didn't rise, currency is beginning it's long decent into kneeling.
>>520339354I own a shit ton of silver and gold dude, look at my posts itt.And yes, it is extremely well documented by Cortez and co that they used feathers. Calm your tits bro.
>>520339354>ColumbiakekNYFed in there, too, nowalso the NYFed told colombia to turn their old restructured debt into swiss francs and to get out of the federal reserve note
>>520339171I also have like 2-3 because I think precisely like thatmy most priced possession is picrel though, always earning (you)s
>>520339183>you can certainly hand the fruits of your labor to your progeny, this is hair splitting, just as passing down skill and knowledge also has very tangible benefit >gold is A FORM of currency >gold only enriches those that hold it, immediately destroying its use as a sole form of currency I can agree with almost all of this as I assert Silver "is" money and gold to a lesser degree, and this is because of the utility. >a strong currency form does NOT FLUCTUATE IN VALUE >we all know what a dollar is worth, it is eared in our mind, unlike commodities that can become scarceIt's not about scarcity, but utility and arduousness.
>>520339424ok you keep going with that lolwe can both agree the Fed has to go>>520339567>the NYFed told Colombia to turn their old restructured debt into swiss francs and to get out of the federal reserve notepic rel
>>520338923>Currently we need silver and gold to make weapons, previously that wasn't the case and it may not always remain the case. Then look to the opposite side the health and healing benefits how it was used. Duh
>>520339679>>the NYFed told Colombia to turn their old restructured debt into swiss francs and to get out of the federal reserve noteand pic related also happened on the very same day as the NYFed buying Colombian bonds
>>520339618i like silver tooyou know thati have advocated for metalsif you really wished for a metal currency you would be looking at copper
>>5203392901pbtid of a Talmuic perspective
>>520339484But it's also well documented the superstitious civilization norms. Hence the joke fren
>>520331641It doesn't. It does give you some level of protection from currency debasement.
>>520339290>money and currency aren't basically synonymslolnote it says payment for debtsdebts may also be paid in labor or assetsthis nicely shows the difference between debt and moneydebt merely shows the DIRECTION of the transaction
>>520339567There can only be one narratives are just another superstition. Why wouldn't the FED recommend treasury notes?
>>520332573This never even happened the first time they threatened it.
>>520339791>if you really wished for a metal currency you would be looking at copperI don't wish for any currency, but if others want to play dumb I'll buy them for a dollar
>>520339963>Why wouldn't the FED recommend treasury notes?because they don't get paid to issue US Notes
>>520340067See, at the root is competitive issuance of belief (credit)
>>520340046metals are definitely good for store of value, but they are too scarce to be the sole formgold gets pussy, that is its primary purposesecond is catalytic converters and electronics kek
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>>520339697That's not weapons though, we were discussing weapons specifically.I'm not opposed to PMs, I am a stacker, I'm just saying they aren't automatically currency and currency in general is an abstract concept. These are simple facts.The current situation demands a global reserve currency however and it is apparent that the currency being chosen is gold (and inevitably silver given the jewish certificate tricks).In a full collapse situation (unlikely) you'd see a return to barter until enough order returned to require a currency. Given the current state of the world economy and the inevitable dollar collapse (really the swift system failure) I see PMs coming to the forefront for at least a few years window. I don't think BRICS is sustainable given the fact they aren't resource or food secure (with the exception of Russia, which has a succession problem and likely won't stay unified post Putin), so this basically leaves a 5-10 year window of PMs ruling supreme.I also think tptb won't let the power slip from their greedy jewish claws so easily and will start ww3 to try and hold it, but this will likely lead to western revolutions as nobody wants to fight.I can discuss ww3 and missile defense systems as well, but short answer I foresee limited nuke exchange from nuke subs firing hypersonics (positive there are effective anti ICBM systems) followed by chemical weapons used as area denial.Sorry for the long winded response.Long story short, I see return to regional powers, colonization in attempt to control resources, and a return to PMs given unstable currencies globally.
>>520339875I'm not saying it was a good choice for currency, it's rather retarded, but my point was that PMs are not automatically seen as currency.Honestly we agree on things, I'm just taking this a few levels deeper, and we are unlikely to delve back to those levels in the future.
>>520340226>helloHey there fren
>>520340135nice tryi do not equate belief with agreementwe need both cooperation and competition to be a successful societyfiat is an agreement between citizens, FOR THE BENEFIT OF CITIZENS IN A SOCIETY THAT ARE COOPERATINGit is so hard for you to see this b/c you are motivated by profit, rather than civic sustainabilityand here we go againit is nice to see you thoi thought you were banned
>>520340282That's a lot of words to say the lies circle around the truth which is immovable and unshakable.
>>520340597Don't know what you mean by that exactly, but I think we are on the same page. I'm just sharing how I see things going.
>>520340516>nice try >i do not equate belief with agreement >we need both cooperation and competition to be a successful society >fiat is an agreement between citizens, FOR THE BENEFIT OF CITIZENS IN A SOCIETY THAT ARE COOPERATING So you want me to cooperate with what exactly? A medium of exchange that I never had any opportunity to consent to?Or perhaps a society that is leveraged by that medium of exchange? Please be specific fren.
>>520340863don't try to equate credit or debt with money or currencycredit and debt refer to the DIRECTION OF THE FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONyour slippery argument stems from you profit seeking mentality
>>520340945>profit seeking mentalityTransactions of what exactly? Ideas? Belief? The very word credit stems from the Latin creo "to believe" perhaps this was a misunderstanding of me trying to say that the "trust me bro" tactics are an issuance if false hopes and you didn't see that dynamic or understand it so it seems slippery or transactional to that perspective or understanding.
>>520341146Credo not creo
>>520341146just saying you are compromised b/c your motive is self enrichmentmy arguments are effective because they benefit the GENERAL citizen and society, not enriching only one class of asset holdersyou should try itgold is one store of value, it is not the only store of valuegold gets women, it will always be valuable, it is pretty, this is why it will always be valuable to humans, in addition to its many now-known practical applicationsgold was considered valuable long before redox reactions were known lolmetals should certainly at least peg any currencya basket of weighted metals would work best
>>520340863>A medium of exchange that I never had any opportunity to consent to?a good point
>>520331180Recently sold some silver and got into platinum. How fucked am I?
>>520341582>just saying you are compromised b/c your motive is self enrichment Nope>my arguments are effective because they benefit the GENERAL citizen and society, not enriching only one class of asset holders Opinion >you should try it Been there, still there but not money >gold is one store of value, it is not the only store of value Yup>gold gets women, it will always be valuable, it is pretty, this is why it will always be valuable to humans, in addition to its many now-known practical applications >gold was considered valuable long before redox reactions were known lol Not E-Thots>metals should certainly at least peg any currency Currencies should not exist, but we're all given imaginations for a reason. >a basket of weighted metals would work bestIf we're going to play make-believe and agree then yeah sure but I'm still stacking fren and so will you.
>>520341898>Recently sold some silver and got into platinum. How fucked am I?Less than holding niggercoin crypto
>>520341935i have fucking skills loli use very little currency
>>520342081>i have fucking skills lol >i use very little currencyI was not saying otherwise fren.
>>520331180CuzzFirst off, the keyboard.... Clean your fookin keyboard manHow is it so dusty in your house? How is the keyboard lookin like it rode in the back of a pickup truck down a dusty farm turn road for six months before getting put on your counter top?C'mon man, just take a brush and brush it all off. Turn it upside down and let all the food crumbs fall out of it.Benchmade is the premier EDC so there's that.
the very act of hoarding currency devalues it<<<----lolbut the interest always gets fucking paid to borrow the bankrupt Federal Reserve's currency, the Federal Reserve Notesome pertinent pasta:Why is the NOW over $1.2 Trillion/year in interest paid on our Marketable (aka Public Issues) and Intragovernmental Debt (aka GAS treasuries) never included in the deficit?B/c the Fed gets paid first by the IRS, as the NYFed is the US Treasury's operating fiscal agent, then what is left over from IRS tax revenues, the NYFed then deposits into the Treasury General Account (aka TGA).IOW, the fucking interest is taken out FIRST from tax revenues by the NYFed AND IS NEVER EVEN ON THE DEFICIT CHOPPING BLOCK.With a red sweep, we will be able to see the Federal Reserve Uniparty in full view. Constant gridlock in Congress has concealed the true power of the Federal Reserve Uniparty.Don’t forget that the right had prior full control for at least a year under Trump’s first term and passed NOTHING in regard to the INSOLVENT, private Fed franchises that are now bankrupting the US Treasury for every last dime they can get (mostly the NYFed).Why don't we just issue US Notes ONLY for deficit spending? US Notes BENEFIT THE CITIZENS and DO NOT ADD TO our current debt. They could also be digital, only to be used in the US. Why doesn’t Trump ever suggest this? This is already fucking legal.US Notes circumvent the need to borrow our currency from the Federal Reserve, that's fucking why.Why do ALL of the proposed solutions to our debt only include the bankrupt Federal Reserve?US NOTES ARE NOT A NOVEL IDEA, THEY JUST DON'T BENEFIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE, WHICH IS WHY US NOTES ARE NEVER MENTIONED DESPITE BEING THE EXACT SOLUTION THAT WE NEED RIGHT FUCKING NOW
>2025>being anti-fedI shiggity diggity
>>520342372we agree on the Fedi'm all for more metalsi want to see JPM derivatives on metals go awaypaper contracts are your foe
>>520334105Best post in this thread so far
Trump and his economic advisor, Miran, are trying to circumvent #2 in pic rel with forwards (futures for treasuries).They are trying to make it so the US can sell its gold without paying down the debt.Miran and Trump want for the major debt holders to swap their short term bills and notes for 100-year bonds, they want to indebt Americans for the next century to the Fed (ultimately via debt-backed tokens of these treasuries (aka securities))Reminder:using cash forces these debt based central banks to serve the citizensI promote the abolition of the Federal Reserve and to restore the currency back to American citizens. The citizens of each nation HAVE A FUCKING RIGHT TO A DEBT-FREE CURRENCY USED TO FACILITATE COMMERCE. Not for the currency to be hoarded and used to hide the insolvency of the very fucking BROKE and PRIVATE fucking clowns issuing it.
setf threads are spamhttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/subject/setf/
>>520334653>a dollar today is worth not even a SINGLE 1971 pennyWhy do you exaggerate?You kill your argument with hyperbole
>>520343378they definitely are not
>>520338733I hit on mobile by accident a few days ago and never turned it off
>>520343176>100-year bonds,a pertinent article for those interested
>>520342570>paper contracts are your foeAll contracts not delivered upon are nothing more than speculative leverage for the benefit of the contract makers with the narrative it benefits the parties sourcing and taking deliveries. Agreed.
>>520342435Thanks for the critique however you don't see all the ductwork and electrical installed just above the keyboard the day this picture was taken, so there's that too.
Should I buy silver now?
>>520344192>All contracts not delivered upon are nothing more than speculative leverage for the benefit of the contract makers with the narrative it benefits the parties sourcing and taking deliveries.i know you think this is fiat and are trying to trick me lol:)
>>520332093Or gold crashes. I fully expect "stable coin" to fuck things up. They will fuck PM holders over somehow.
>>520344303
>>520344192you should run for office lol
>>520344303you applying sexism to silver holding?try to stay on topic kek
ok good thread gg do family stuffafk
>>520333587High effort post, you do not belong here.
>>520336222Trips of truthBlowie joeys will cost a silver dime
shiny rock cool
>>520338146Prove this pepenigger.
>>520345169oops wrong pic
>>520343639>they definitely are notEspecially if that penny is copper.
>>520343778>hit on mobile by accident a few days ago and never turned it offWe all do a little trolling fren.
>>520344833>you applying sexism to silver holding? >try to stay on topic kekCurrencies were created so women couldn't waste money. That is not only on target it's fundamental.
back for a quick bumpit is estimated that women make 90% of the purchases and 10% of the moneywhen i speak to the public about the Fed:>the women immediately ask what can i do right now to change that?>the men only say you'll never do anything about that
>>520347147meant for>>520346841
https://www2.occ.gov/publications-and-resources/publications/quarterly-report-on-bank-trading-and-derivatives-activities/files/q2-2025-derivatives-quarterly.htmltop 4 banks hold almost 90% of metals derivatives
>46 posts by this ID bB/OWdvb>totally not spamlol
>>520347147Doing something vs saying something is inherently sexist and misogyny...
>over FOURTY PAGES of archived setf threads>ID: bB/OWdvb who post 46 fucking times in this thread says they're notthis ID is the spammer who is posting all these threads for AT LEAST 4 entire fucking years. holy fuck you're mentally ill. i wish i could meet you and see what type of person posts this absolute nigger spam all day every day for YEARS
>>520350650I think what you meant is that SETF threads are magnets for spam fren.
>>520331180SETF threads? Yep, the bubble is here. SELL SELL SELL!!
>>520351044>File: reversion to meanthe most relevant graphic+discussion for these 'muh sound money' threads(don't get me wrong: sound money aka PMs are a good thing but it's far, far from the entire picture or predicament)
>over FOURTY PAGES of archived setf threads>ID: bB/OWdvb who post 46 fucking times in this thread says they're notthis ID is the spammer who is posting all these threads for AT LEAST 4 entire fucking years. holy fuck you're mentally ill. i wish i could meet you and see what type of person posts this absolute nigger spam all day every day for YEARS.
>>520343443>it's not worth one penny>it's worth EIGHT penniesWow, you really showed everyone.Thank you, good sir.Have some reddit silver.[EDIT: thank you for the gold, kind sirs!]
>>520351080But I thought nothing ever Happens
>>520331961Cash started as a paper representation of gold. Cash is different from money in a bank account, which can be confiscated by the bank if they go bankrupt. Cash is not another name for currency.
>>520334074Good goy. Don't forget to tip your tax collector.
>>520351258Try going to /pmg/ on /biz/, it's basically a thread full of retards like OP who think silver will make them rich. In the time these people have been posting, they could have retired from BTC but they never bought because they're stoopid.
>>520351258Just to be clear, all Silver Separatist name posts ITT are me because I'm moving doing things
>>520351258
>>520334965>our
>>520334105I too remember my first ounce of silver.
notice how they never stop spamming these threads? that's how you know it's propaganda and a psyop
>>520332246Turning jew paper into actual money.
>>520332246this is basically the summary of silver and gold. morons think rocks turn into money. but in reality people who have crypto are making fortunes. meanwhile do you personally know anyone becoming rich from silver? name 2 people you know who made a fortune from silver. i know several people who became rich from crypto. i know zero people who have gold or silver who are rich. rocks are a known scam
>>520351468The poster i replied to said>A penny in 1971 is worth more than a dollar in 2025That would be a hundredfoldI pointed out it is aktchually seven [7]Dunno bout you, but i deal in numbers & money, and 100=/=7For example, i'd rather have $ 7 than 1
>>520331180>(5) It must possess value in itself, which is why we don’t use paper. (or bytes on the internet)massive retard. gold and silver have barely any intrinsic value other than for jewelry and some tech applications. the problem with the fed is not fiat currency. the problem is that they let random banker jews reap almost all of the benefits of money creation which the constitution says should be a function of congress. and it does not say it's okay to outsource that to private interests.what we really need is for the lending industry to be nationalized. it should be obvious to anyone with a background in econ and understanding of money creation to understand why this is the biggest win. commodity currencies are fucking retarded and do not scale. i quoted your point about bitcoin because that's a pretty good analogue to how gold is also useless as a form of money. not all cryptos are like this though.
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>>520331180Jews hate the stacker Jews consider gold and silver gods money, not to be soiled by goyim touch.
>>520351967Yup, that's the flack...
I’m not buying your bags at a generational top.
>>520354263This is what people need to understand. They dont want YOU to own it. They want to own it all themselves. That is why they manipulate the price, so they can buy it with less fiat. This is why they talk shit about it. So you wont want to buy it.
>>520354263Facts Haggai 2:8Only the chosen are allowed to operate with it. This is why anything but it is pushed, shilled, and marketed, and why whenever you opt to get it, there are additional costs
>>520354542>I’m not buying your bags at a generational top.Good, I need the bags to carry my stak 1pbtid niggercattle.
>>520352971I don’t know anyone that’s cashed out and made money on bitcoin , only paper profits.I have doubled my my money in silver and gold in the last 2 years.Bit coin doesn’t exist , it’s Jews selling air , ready to pull the rug at any time. Imagine after the collapse trying to convince a local trader that the tiny ones and zeros in you thumb drive have value, lmao
>>520353435>line go upWow, great logic!
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>>520354993>it’s Jews selling air , ready to pull the rug at any time. Always has been
>>520355187>Wow anon, what a large list of banks you have there
>>520335195This is the hedge. LTC to silver ratio.https://x.com/flippifi/status/1984299160242163867
Just ordererd 5 more OZ today.Got the 1/2 rounds this time for easy bartering
>>520354237crypto baggies will kneel
Does anybody mint rose gold bullion? They make jewelry out of it, so I assume there has to be a few coins or bars around too. I know it's not worth throwing in a gold stack, but rosegold looks beautiful to me and I want a bar just to have it and maybe flip in 5 years.
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>>520355853I found that the Great Britain Sovereign makes a few of these. One ounce is worth about a quarter ounce of gold. Probably not that bad of a deal to have one or two. I think it looks nice.
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>>520343443then why did the gold price more then 100x?
>>520354237>>520354563>>520355176>>520355825>>520355884>>520355987>>520356251My, my, what big truths you have
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>>520354993>I don’t know anyone that’s cashed out and made money on bitcoin , only paper profits.i know at least 5 people who became rich on cryptoi know zero people that became rich with silver or gold. i said rich, not doubling your money. you just proved my point. >bitcoin doesn't existthe dollar doesn't exist? neither do chips at the casino, but you cash them out for dollars. are you retarded?>jooooooooooooooooooooooozyup, you're a poor retard, just like all other rock scammers.>Imagine after the collapseis the collapse in the room with us right now?
>>520355176>posting webm when you have no pointoy vey, buy silver goy
>over FOURTY PAGES of archived setf threads>ID: bB/OWdvb who post 47 fucking times in this thread says they're notthis ID is the spammer who is posting all these threads for AT LEAST 4 entire fucking years. holy fuck you're mentally ill. i wish i could meet you and see what type of person posts this absolute nigger spam all day every day for YEARS.
>>520357206looks like your confusedmy threads focus on the US Note kekwho the fuck shills FOR the Fed?and then come ITT to bother to post iti might make a thread now, just for youupdate pic rel to ~$244 B
>over FOURTY PAGES of archived setf threads>ID: bB/OWdvb who post 47 fucking times in this thread says they're notthis ID is the spammer who is posting all these threads for AT LEAST 4 entire fucking years. holy fuck you're mentally ill. i wish i could meet you and see what type of person posts this absolute nigger spam all day every day for YEARS
(8) It must be practical, which is why we don't use silver and gold.
this isn't my thread you idiot
now the Federal Reserve franchises have their dream come true, note the right side of the chart, high reserves and high IORBthe last time they tried to have both, JPM got raided by the FBI for rigging treasury and silver markets which caused the repo spike, all big banks failed again quietly and got bailed out again for trillions in Sept/Oct 2019 and then we had covid, which shut down the economy and conveniently hid their illiquidity lolpic rel is why the Fed is slow to cut rates
>>520358225>JPM got raided by the FBI for rigging treasury and silver markets
>>520357098kek
>>520357058callin it like i see it my dude.Jesus Christ is King.
>>520333884glad you made it anon take care
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>>520357068Agreed, welcome back fren, and we're both fighting the disingenuous, disinformation propaganda that's designed to disenfranchise individuals.
>>520359166lol
>520357206>i wish i could meet you and see what type of person posts this absolute nigger spam all day every day for YEARS Wish in one hand and shit in the other and let me know which one fills op first fren...
>>520358331And Muslim "terrorists" were just raided in Dearborn, how does that get these lugnuts off?
>>520359228i love the shills that actually come into the thread and complain about discussion kekthey're getting desperate nowi'm going to plug my thread series after it hits bump limitty for the thread good to see you again
>>520359123>callin it like i see it my dude. >The one eyed man in the world of the blind is a king>Jesus Christ is King.Of kings, agreed fren
>>520359661>i love the shills that actually come into the thread and complain about discussionLike flies to shit, it's the topic that infuriates they/them.
Federal Reserve Thread Series Part 1 of 4 https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/489468608This thread summarizes the first of a series of four recent separate economics papers examining the current insolvency of the 12 regional Federal Reserve franchises.In this first paper, Kupiec and Pollock show that the Federal Reserve franchises are insolvent if GAAP accounting is used, which the Fed does not use. The Fed is now balancing their books with an imaginary, 'magic' accounting column called 'Deferred Assets' to perpetuate their bankrupting of the US Treasury and the American taxpayer and to hide their losses and now uncollateralized Federal Reserve Notes. These are operating losses, which don't even include the capital losses from marking-to market their now-worthless securities either, further skewing the real price of credit and hampering the Fed's ability to respond to shocks to the economy, as their balance sheet is full and there is no room to move.The Fed franchises have only become more insolvent since the paper was released, their losses doubling since Jan 2024 to the tune of ~$244 Billion as of this week.This thread summarizes how the Fed is insolvent, operating illegally, opening itself up for lawsuits and destroying the American economy when it could just roll off its balance sheet and take cash losses like that. Instead, the Fed franchises choose to take cash losses by still paying their owners dividends and paying out interest to NYFed primary dealers via IORB and to MMFs in Reverse Repo transactions.’Federal Reserve Losses and Monetary Policy’ Jan 2024Paul H. Kupiec, Senior Fellow, American Enterprise InstituteAlex J. Pollock, Senior Fellow, Mises Institutehttps://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4712022
>>520359669>Jesus Christ is King of KingsAmen
>>520359987Federal Reserve Thread Series Part 2 of 4https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/491506260/This thread summarizes the second of a series of four recent separate economics papers examining the current insolvency of the 12 regional Federal Reserve franchises (aka ‘Fed bank/s’ ITT). This paper uses Ordinary Least Squares (OLS) linear regression analysis to examine how shocks from three variables: federal debt, the Federal Reserve assets and/or real GDP affect CPI (chosen to represent prices and inflation). Mr. Webster’s paper describes how quickly prices respond to shocks in the above three variables and how quickly a new (often higher) price equilibrium is found and how the rest of the system converges to support this new price equilibrium. This paper seeks to measure how quickly the now-insolvent Fed banks enable or ‘accommodate’ the deficit-ridden US government by purchasing securities and how this accommodation then contributes to inflation and price hikes, as measured by CPI. The Fed banks’ ‘accommodative’ QE purchases of excess US Marketable Debt make room for even more new debt to be issued and *hopefully* sold. This is called Fed ‘accommodation’ and is now becoming a ‘debt death spiral’, which is when a nation (or corporation) has to issue new debt to raise the funds to pay the interest on its old debt. Unfortunately, this new constant debt issuance floods the economy with new currency, mostly enriching the proximal investment class and exacerbating inflation for the rest of us. These QE policies have also led to the insolvency of the Federal Reserve today, massive capital losses and full balance sheets with no room for the Fed to move, further handicapping the debt-based central bank.The Myth of Fed Political IndependenceThomas J. Webster, Professor Emeritus, Lubin School of Business, Pace University, New York, NY. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4916388
>>520359868>312 repliesdo you still have the old SETF OP pastebin
>>520360070Federal Reserve Thread Series Part 3 of 4 https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/494723606/This thread summarizes the third in a series of four recent economics papers examining the current insolvency of the 12 regional Federal Reserve franchises.The third paper explores options for reformation or replacement (abolition!) of the insolvent Fed. The paper begins with a historical analysis that chronicles the Fed’s many past policy failures & their respective crises & how the Fed’s response to said crises further enabled Fed accommodation of $trillions in deficit spending by Congress. The Fed’s four ‘prescriptive’ rounds of QE purchases of US treasuries & MBSs have now resulted in hundreds of billions of embarrassing Fed capital losses & ZERO remittance to the US Treasury since October 2022. But, somehow the Fed is still able to pay out dividends to its shareholders and able to pay out interest on Reserve Balances (IORB) to banks & interest on reverse repo transactions to money market funds (MMFs). This paper has broad rule recommendations that aim to rein in the Fed & reduce both manipulation & subsidies by Fed market interference. However, these rule recommendations do not address the inflation and recessions already caused by the Fed’s monetary policies. These monetary policy shortcomings could be directly addressed by 1) the abolition of the Fed(!), 2) free banking & 3) commodity-backed money. This paper loosely represents a coalition of conservative groups & their suggestions on how to fix the insolvent Federal Reserve. It examines the current system of borrowing the Fed's private currency, the Federal Reserve Note, & how we can return the role of currency issuance back to the US Treasury, & thus back to the people.Project 2025 Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise (April 2023)Chapter 24: ‘Federal Reserve’Paul Winfree (& additional contributors) https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeaders
>>520360070The third paper was weak, but the first of its kind to suggest the abolition of the Fed. One of the paper’s shortcomings detailed in an excerpt from the Part 3 of 4 thread:*************** I pause the thread here to point out another egregious error right in the middle of the economic paper being examined. As I have noted before in past threads, such high school-tier errors are so bad that it looks as though these economics papers are not even proofread at all. Picrel is the error and the following text is what I think the author was trying to convey:>If government issues too much paper currency, then citizens will doubt the gold peg and turn in their paper for gold from their banks, and these Tier 2 banks, in turn, will then redeem that same paper from the US Treasury and drain the government’s goldPlease feel free to correct me if I am missing something.To make such an egregious error in the most important sentence in the entire paper begs the question, was it on purpose, mocking the public or are they trying to trick the public into turning in their gold again lololol?The error in pic related is an example that NO ONE is watching or correcting these people. This author worked for Trump as an economic advisor in his first term. These are the people running the show. This is who we have to rely on to fix things and that is not good. This is why we must be vigilant even more so now, not to just let them install whatever fuck they think b/c THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT GOT US HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>>520359987>>520360070>>520360190And for the Part 4 of 4 thread, Trump's economic advisor and now on the Fed board of governors let, Steve Miran’s papers will be the focusI have three 2024 papers by Miran for part 4 of 4 thread:1) one paper criticizes treasury buybacks for cutting into his 10 yr yield as a hedge fund trader2) another paper discusses war, tariffs, the triffin dilemma b/c we are the reserve currencyHe suggests selling our gold to purchase bond swaps to pay down our debt3) and the third paper, in which we NATIONALIZE the Fed and make the US STATE governors more important in the newly-nationalized Fed franchise pic rel
