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Should space agencies be defunded?

This is straight up fraud.
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>>520472244
its usually just jeets and chinks using AI or CGI to bait stupid fucking s o y science faggots for jew money revenue.

JWT images have 6 pointed lense flares
Hubble ones have 4 pointed lense flares
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>>520472244
i could probably get the exact same pic using space engine and some photoshop
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>>520472244
People are so retarded when it comes to anything space related, but then you see the photoshopped bullshit and fabricated articles the media puts out, and it's not really the peoples fault.
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>>520472493
That's exactly what the jeet who made the post did. A post from some random shitskins isn't representative of what space agencies might post themselves, you utter dishonest retard
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>>520472244
>Black Hole
I followed that account briefly, until I realized it was flagrant false advertisement
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>>520472244
>>520472861
How else would the migger justify Trump's slashing of NASA funding? Only miggers would assume that this is astrophotography
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>>520472244
>This is straight up fraud.
its all fake and gay
>>520472861
>shitskins
kikes have the worst op sec in the world
LITERALLY STOP SAYING SHIT SKIN WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU IDIOTS?!
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>>520472244
Yes. I move to immediately de-fund the Slovenian space program
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>>520473514
>stop saying shitskin
Haha ur skin is the color of poop
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>>520473514
Things can be fake and gay, but it in reality, you are a low IQ shitskin who doesn't understand anything.
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>>520472244
>See AI pic
>Its the big sky telescope!
The average person is mentally retarded.
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>>520473514
shitskin, shitskin, fuckem in the bum,
c'mon nigga we gonna have sum fun.
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reminder every shitpost is just satan saying "you won't do shit".
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>>520472244
They're gold now?
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>>520476281
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>>520472322
it's sorta similar to the real pic, but it does appear to be AI or at least photoshop
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>>520472244
You should never accept the premise of anything said on the internet. The premise in this case being that it's an image from the JWST, in this case that's just a lie. Accepting that premise and getting mad at space nerds for something that looks fake is retarded. It is fake but they had nothing to do with it.
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space telescopes seem 10000% untrustable now that ai is here
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Why won't they point it at Earth?
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>>520472244
did you ever look through a telescope my young chum?
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>>520472244
you lack the ability to distinguish between real published data and engagement bait misinfo slop on social media, likely uploaded by some jeet looking to make 5 cents. and because of this you attack real science and scientists. /pol/ is seriously the dumbest board on this site

>>520472322
>>520472861
>>520472523
this. it's largely the fault of 'science' journalism. atlas is a great example of this shit recently. every schizo in the world is freaking out about this 'alien spacecraft' comet because of the tabloid-podcast clickbait news slop ecosystem. Then these same schizo retards go and say space is fake and gay
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>>520476337
This is an obvious 3d render too, why else does the planets texture have a billinear filtering lmfao, this shit looks straight out of Unity3Ds shader graph
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>>520477116
because it would fuck up the sensors. pointing the jwst toward earth means pointing it toward the sun. it has those foil-looking shields to protect it from the sun
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>>520477933
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>>520477825
It looks like they made the rings as a light source in the fake render.
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>>520478003
>That pic
Does that mean that if a human is in space, one side of their body will boil and the other side will freeze?
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>fraud
Explain?
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>>520478632
yes
you really didnt think about it?
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>>520473514
kikes have the best opsec in the world cause anyone who knows hebrew learns how to rug trade without speaking. that's why jews are always making schizo hand movements. you might think you have better opsec but most people aren't as diligent as down syndrome hebrews.
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>>520478632
No, because humans aren't made from five-layer sunshields
One side will coock before the other thogh same as anything you put on a heat source.
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>>520472244
NASA sisters, how is Mars so stunning and beautiful?
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>>520476337
Never
Any
Stars
Available

since I know the shutter was open for awhile for this pic, where are the fucking stars
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>>520472244
Everything in this world is fake & gay
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>>520472244
>>520472322
>>520472493
JWST's sensors can't see blue.
Its sensors are fine-tuned for infrared bands.
Hubble uses a visible light sensor.
Y'all retards.
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These damn hilla billies
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>>520472244
They should be accelerated just put up some humans and animals and send them off to space and live stream it? Fuckin 11 years since the application for volunteers to the Mars program was out.
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Just fill a space ship full of water, algeas and microorganisms that live under extreme cold conditions and drop/crash them off at Mars.
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>>520479907
Rajesh, the radiation will kill them
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>>520479961
Why aren't we just bombarding the planet with water? What radiation
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>>520480050
The sun...the UV
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Lying should be a criminal offense
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>>520477933
They've never thought abouta picture from the other side?
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You can literally pay $20- $30 bucks and see planets using an Observatory telescope.
They're often publiclly or university funded and do tours.

Most of the shit you see on websites is artist conceptual nonsense or literal ai.
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>>520472244
The fake space science shit is worshipped by the most retarded. They refuse to accept that it's all gay and they keep re-explaining the soience every few years after something new happens and the last thing is ignored. The Atlas 3/I thing is current slop.
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>>520472244
No refunds! Now keep paying those taxes, chud
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>>520478632
>>520478787
Well there will be a one time drop in temperature due to flash boiling of all liquids in vacuum, but it won't reach absolute zero instantly, yeah. Vacuum is a pretty good heat insulator since there's nothing to carry away your hear except infrared radiation. Thats why all satelites and space stations have trouble with overheating.
You get cooked but faster from one side as long as you're not too far from the sun.
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>>520480084
Let them die we can atleast observe the process and use for reasearch and development.
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>>520476337
>>520479788
Well, okay, OP's pic is probably AI.
But it kinda is important that Webb is known as an IR-telescope primarily, that's why images are often either monotone, false-colored or tinted red, in fact, someone presenting a "normal" looking image from Webb is probably the sharlatan...

Space nerds probably downplayed the IR part until that thing was out there.
>ffs, what
Full-spectrum, before deeper into that specific spectrum, I get it, I get it.
Hard sell.
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>>520472322
You are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive you retarded golem. CGI is all you get in this life, which is more than you deserve anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJK1gLHbOxA&t=1136s
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>saturn posting
Bow to the better planet
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>>520472244
Thats not even from a space agency tho, yall are fucking retarded
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It just looks fake because its so high res and all the details and sharpness etc so when you see it on your small screen it seems very fake xD
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>>520479907
Jeet scientist 80IQ. Not only is your idea retarded but also the space station is not a vehicle. Your project could be done without destroying white creation.
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>saturn

>>520480420
>*NORTH
>macedonia
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>>520479788
Oh yeah, basically, Webb is a giant FLIR with extreme zoom, hovering somewhere out there in space between the sun and Earth.

In fact, it sits exactly where the gravity from the sun matches the gravity from the Earth, intentionally.
Ever had shaky hands holding the binocs?
Yeah, well, telescope's are a thousand times that over.
That's why it's over there, because it's nice and stable to take good pics.
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>saturn is a virgin hexagon
>while jupiter is a chad octagon
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>>520480481
go back to bulgaria/albania/greece
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>>520480420
Of course its fake its just from a random x account, Saturn doesn't have golden rings anyone can look this up in 2sec if they have an iq above 70
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>>520472322
>jew money revenue
You seen Whitneys latest video?
People are finding out about the jewish menace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27rCHaIF5aY
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>>520480530
lel im just giving you shit
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You bigots think everything is fake
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>>520480548
How come you didn't look it up?
>Saturn's rings appear golden as the planet's shadow drapes across nearly the whole span of the rings. In the upper left corner is Saturn's moon Mimas. This color image was taken on August 15, 2004, with the Cassini spacecraft narrow angle camera, using the red, green, and blue filters.

>1min read
https://science.nasa.gov/photojournal/golden-rings/
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>>520472244
No idea if this particular pic is legit or not, but just about every space photograph out there has been cleaned up and colourised to some extent.
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>>520480619
jews are fake humans
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>>520480631
*Trump's rings on planet America
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>>520480631
>Appear under these conditions
They are not golden
"Saturn's rings are a very pale tan or sandy color, but they also show subtle variations including shades of gray, pink, and brown,"
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It's an enhanced image, and you're fat and retarded.
https://esawebb.org/images/saturn1/
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>>520476228
>"you won't do shit".
i wont though.
Jesus already won, i dont have to do anything.
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>>520479266
Saturn is still way brighter than the distant stars. Also it's a near-infrared photo, which is why the rings appear so much brighter than the planet itself.
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>>520480774
you've already proven to be a stupid nigger while coming on all smug, no backsies for your sandy-colored vagina
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Everyone here does realise they can buy a telescope and look at saturn and the other planets themselves right?
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>>520476337
>it's sorta similar to the real pic
that's not a real pic
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>>520479788
>JWST's sensors can't see blue.
or anything
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I have an inexplicable desire to praise and worship saturn with it's fine bold golden colored rings of majestic gold
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>>520480777
Both images represent Saturn and that's about how much they have in common. It is completely fake. Comically fake.
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>>520480552
lol psyop for the psyop thread
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>>520480777
Crispness of that shadow.
The planet on the rings.
You can infer scale from it.

Either
>it looks like a scale model
or
>thats how big Webbs pupil is
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>>520472244
>This is straight up fraud
You made the claim, now prove it.
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>>520481202
>I have an inexplicable desire to praise and worship saturn with it's fine bold golden colored rings of majestic gold
you already do kike.
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>>520480777
based and checked.
>>520481252
its fake
all space images are cartoons if you believe in space in Two Thousand Twenty Five the Year of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ you're all faggots.
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>>520481263
pshh actually christians worship saturn, not us pagan macedonians
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>>520481258
>You made the claim, now prove it.
you proved it
>>520480777
>It's an enhanced image,
fraud is a lie
enhancing an image is fraud.
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>>520481323
>pshh actually christians worship saturn, not us pagan macedonians
no we don't kike.
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>>520477801
>it begins and ends when i say so
Nuh uh dipshit, they spam it here too for more dimes and nickels farming (((you)))s
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>>520481401
that's now why they spam space.
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>>520472244
Space is the domain of the White man. A lowly jew such as yourself cannot fathom our technology.
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>>520481231
And? She's talking about what we want people to know. If it exposes them to the masses, is that not a good thing?
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>>520472244
Saturn is beige. Its rings are grey. Ther only gold you can see in its system is Titan, but we'll all be dead before we can rape its resources.
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>>520473514
>space is a jewish lie

look ma, the christnigger is projecting
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>>520481306
>its fake
you shouldnt blindly trust hubble or webb data
glowies are allowed to censor

which is why you should have a telescope
and see for yourself
if you can

even the average scope on a modern hunting rifle
allows you to see jupiter and its moons
go point that thing at stars in a completely dark place

if you have never been outside of the city ever in your life
you may not ever _know_ you can actually _see_ the milky way
conversely those who live there
may not understand such city slickers exist
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>>520472322
>>520472244
>1. Doesn't the hames web take numbers and not actual images
>2. Aren't the signs of Saturn lined up with our view right now rendering them invisible for a few years
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>>520481231
It's one thing she said there untrue?
Please point it out?
Please provide source for why its untrue?
Or you're a tds jew blowing faggot.
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>>520480474
I never said station you're bombarding the planet with something that's from another place and observe what happens.
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>>520481496
>let us blame Trump for epstein instead of the cabal
no.
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>>520481627
you're literally jewish and lying about space so...
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>>520481659
>glowies
larp failed nigger
WE
S
N
E
E
D
here
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>>520481659
>even the average scope on a modern hunting rifle
https://www.solarsystemscope.com/

i used that 10 years ago
there was an android app, your location, you held it against the sky, it told you what you were looking at
you could use that to find the planets, if there were any that night you could even look at

jupiter is the easiest
its bright enough to be easily discerned by the naked eye
with even just a little magnification
you can start to make out its four gallilean moons
named after gallileo who lived hundreds of years ago

when you see that bright spot
become one bright spot with four moons
i suppose you need to start to believe
lol
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>>520481740
Yes, if she's against the pedo cabal she probably would have said something when the fucking President who literally groped kids on CSPAN and molested his own daughter in the shower into her teens, but she didn't because she's controlled opposition.
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>>520481181
>heliostats
>implying
heliostats are fake and gay lmao
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>>520482141
>heliostats are fake and gay lmao
satellites as a whole are fake and gay son
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>>520482185
>posts nonsense larp that he claims to think is fake anyway
based masonic faggot retard
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>>520472244
I'm sure they have their reasons, it's gotta be that, protecting us from something so sinister, a truth that could cause mass suicidal genocides, a veil pulled back, a people faced with such an existential dread for this existence...gotta be that, or they're just greedy money grubbing kikes.
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>>520481963
I'll look up and see if/what she said about biden.
I still think it's good she's talking about things. It does benefit us, in the long run.
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>>520482229
what?
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>>520482357
>I'll look up and see if/what she said about biden.
almost nothing
she seethes about Trump constantly.
She deleted a good amount of his Biden-era tweets (because it was all about Trump).
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>>520482365
I said you better put on your blindfold and get ready to suck down some of that jubalcum you fag. You dipshit masons all play dumb the same way when you get caught.
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>>520482254
>I'm sure they have their reasons, it's gotta be that, protecting us from something so sinister, a truth that could cause mass suicidal genocides, a veil pulled back, a people faced with such an existential dread for this existence...gotta be that, or they're just greedy money grubbing kikes.
nah
the Truth: God's real, we live in a snowglobe, the world is run by Satanic pedophiles
hope this helps.
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>>520482472
I'm not the one who lets his lodge brothers jam golf clubs up his ass to tune into the egregore or whatever the fuck you nuts think you're communing with. Fucking masons.
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>>520482449
sphere, snowglobe, flat, who cares, Jews rape babies.
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>>520482420
I've not seen much, a couple of bits on her site. I still think it's good she's talking about these things.
I do get your point, and will be slightly more wary in the future.
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>>520473622
We have a space program???
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>>520483281
Not anymore.
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>>520481927
Holy shit
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>>520480787
trust the plan.
2 more weeks.
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>>520472244
>This is straight up fraud.
LOL, only the most retarded NPCs believe all the space crap is true.
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>>520480373
>citizen scientist photoshopping
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>>520480373
I only kneel before the one true planet. Pluto.
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>>520477801
>nickels and dimes engagement
As a mud chink, I, Chatchaval Jiaravanon, was able to purchase the fabled Fortune magazine from kikes on those "nickels and dimes." Now I can trick everyone.
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>>520483281
always have
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>>520472244
that's not what saturn looks like at all...is this a real post??? i've unironically brought bitches more times than I can count to the obvservatory I help run for the sole purpose of showing them the rings of saturn
t. runs/operates the 10ton 36inch telescope @ the George Observatory
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>>520476337
me on the far left
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>>520489457
not my photo, but it looks far more like this even though this photo was edited/stacked w/a field of stars for "effect"
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>>520489623
this is a unedited still from a 36inch telescope of saturn @ my observatory.
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>>520472244
>space is real
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>>520472244
space travel is never becoming a reality. people that believe that tech will always get better and the gdp line will always go up are gullible retards that might as well believe in santa claus. so yeah, at this point, enough satellites and space junk has been launched. all governments should defund their space agencies and give me their budget, I will consoooooom and improve the economy by increasing demand
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reminder that we are dealing with a bunch of aliens who were stranded on earth (left behind) like 40k years ago and their goal is just to get back to their ships orbiting the rings of saturn so they can peace out back to andromeda or lyra.
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>>520489729
Have you seen any space nigger antics?
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>>520489832
twice, once in the late 90's when I was still in school and volunteering where I work today since my family is connected to the Houston Museum of Natural Science. some light went across the entire sky in less than 5 seconds doing lightning like zigzags the entire time (the gforce from those moves would liquefy a human), and another time we were trying to find the lunar landing site and ended up seeing some funky shit on the moons terminator (the area that deliniates the light and dark side of the moon). We still don't know wtf we saw to this day and I don't want to describe it here because it would make me look like a schizo. one of the telemetry guys for space x that volunteers for the museum was there when that happened and I believe he did a small write up about the event. his name is Dr. Barry
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>>520478933
I can see mars from my house at night, last time it literally flew over my house.
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>>520489832
there is a chance it could have been a meteorite impact that we saw, but it's statictically improbable that we just so happened to be looking @ the lunar surface @ the exact right time to see a meteorite impact on one of the least observed parts of the moon
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>>520489804
They likely had infighting in-between the years out of sheer boredom which likely caused alot of religions to form.
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>>520472322
>@konstructivism
Clearly it's a russian
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>>520490499
The only planet I can always reliably identify is Venus. I work nights and every morning I get off work, drive home, and look up in the sky and there she is. The morning star looking back at me.
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>>520472322
do you really think lens flare and diffraction spikes are the same thing?
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>>520472244
Honestly, yes.
There is no viable means of interstellar travel, it probably doesn't exist so outside of communications satellites what use us it? The whole thing is a colossal waste of time and money and likely contains a fuckload of fraud and embezzlement.
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>>520490510
most of the time when you observe the moon, any motion you detect is an intervening object in the upper atmosphere, briefly lit by the contrast that the moon provides. a mach 30 object like apollo would take 6 minutes to cross the lunar surface north to south or east to west, even a very massive lunar object say 5 miles wide, would be difficult to spot moving at those speeds.

if you are seeing any motion near the moon, you are dealing with something smaller and closer to you that is just getting in between. or a superstructure 100 miles wide, travelling at relativistic speeds, you would see red shift, blue shift, gravitational lensing etc.

people often see light pulses and flashes near the terminator as planes, satellites and bats, birds etc cross their viewing angle and are briefly lit. when you look up at the moon you are looking at a surface size roughly the same area as all of north america.
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It is easy to get photos of space, but everything scientists say about it is false, they are mislead, deceived.
picrel, whatever it is, from my small telescope
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>>520490677
You know that image you posted is not real right?
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>>520472244
https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2014/05/Saturn_s_rainbow_rings

https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/saturn-blue/
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>>520472322
This and checked and thank you. People need to stop falling for fake science related clickbait.
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>>520472861
Exactly. I don't know how retards here don't get this.
Cant they not see pixels?
Can they not tell what a shoop is?
Have they not seen many before?
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>>520472244
Noo!!!1!!!!! ELON IS A GENIUS AND WILL GET US TO MARS!!1!!!!!! we MUST get off this planet before it is destroyed in 4 billion years!!!!1!!!
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>>520482365
refraction
lasers also refract like any light, as you know shill
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>>520472523
Yep. I flat Earth post just because most spacetards are so annoying.
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>>520472523
this
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another one I made, scientists will say this is a gigantic thing very far away with billions and billions of star, it's false, it's just a cloud nearby. Space isn't "space", it's just the sky, it's very close, you can go there with a balloon.
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>>520494500
that's not why you do it shill
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>>520494121
No images are real
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>>520472244
Is this your first day on the internet?
Third worlders from india, indonesia etc. run engagement bait profiles on all social media platforms.
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>>520481627
Talmud isn't for the goyim.
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>>520494595
So you admit that nasa has never presented any real documentation of space
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>>520480619
Imagine thinking that’s real. If you can’t confirm it without a government agency, and then it should be scrutinized heavily.
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>>520494942
we are supposed to have hundreds, thousands of satellites in space in geo stationary orbit, pointing at earth for TV, telecoms, etc.
Strangely no one though about putting a fucking webcam on ONE of them
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>>520494569
I also do it to annoy lolcows like you.
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>>520494569
Also have a sneed post
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>>520494564
Here's my favourite pic of Andromeda. I haven't counted but there appears to be quite few stars in it.
https://esahubble.org/images/heic1502a/zoomable/
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>>520472523
Space is fake. The firmament is real. Cope, seethe, and dilate.
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>>520495322
Satellites don’t typically have “webcams” that stream live video because of bandwidth and power limitations. Transmitting continuous HD video from orbit requires huge data rates, but most satellites have narrow communication links and can only contact ground stations briefly each orbit. They also have limited solar power, so running a live camera and transmitter nonstop isn’t practical. Instead, satellites usually capture still images or short clips, store them onboard, and send them down later. The International Space Station is a rare exception, it has powerful transmitters and NASA’s relay network, which makes its live Earth feed possible.
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>>520496109
>Satellites don’t typically have “webcams” that stream live video because of bandwidth and power limitations.
just one fuckign image, not a live streaming, just ONE image, from ONE satellite, among the thousands of them. Just for the fun, these things now have gigabits/s of bandwidth and weight tons, a 720p camera oriented towards earth, less than a kg, sending views of earth before the commercial commissioning of the sat ? Nope.
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>>520496254
there are lots of satellites taking pictures of earth. just spend even 5 minutes looking into it. but you already knew that and you're just a paid shill doing the flat earth psyop
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>>520496333
They all are taking close view like you would have from a plane or a high altitude balloon, why is there not one view from a satellite a bit farther that would show the whole earth at once ?
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>>520472244
Maybe but I'm actually about to buy a telescope. Just going to get a 6" Dobsonian for now. If i like it probably will upgrade to an 8" next year sometime.
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>>520496412
get a 8" from the beginning with that optical formula, anon, 6" (about 150mm) will be frustrating. i don't think there's a huge jump in price.
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>>520496409
>why no satellites with live video
bandwidth constraints
>*moves goalpost* why no still pictures?
there are loads
>*moves goalpost* those pics are too close and can't see the whole earth at once
here are some pics of the whole earth at once, i await your next shifting of the goalposts shill
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>>520496662
>bandwidth constraints
No, not with current satellites with Gbps bandwidths on multiple channels.
just put a 720p camera on a 5t commercial satellite in geosynchronous orbit and I'll be happy.
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>>520496840
and what is the power source? current satellites do not have a live feed due to power levels, and needing ground bases everywhere etc as i already said. they can and do take video though but not a livecam. and nothing will make you happy by the way, there is always a new cope
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>>520497086
>what is the power source?
solar panels ? They can power radios that are in the 100W - 1kW range, a 2w camera should be ok kek
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>>520495322
ISS used to run a cam quite a lot... flat earthers still thought it was all fake.. its all theatre just to fool them apparently
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attention glowniggers
I am going to go deboonk the holohoax somewhere specifically because of this thread
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>>520497135
A 2 W camera itself isn’t the limiting factor, the hard part is getting lots of video data reliably to the ground. Live HD video needs megabits/sec of sustained bandwidth; to send that from orbit you need either a high-power transmitter or a high-gain, accurately pointed antenna (or both), plus frequent line-of-sight to a ground station or expensive relay satellites. Small satellites use low-power radios and omnidirectional antennas for command/telemetry and downlink compressed stills or short clips because continuous high-rate streaming would require far more power, bigger antennas, constant ground access (or TDRS-style relays), and much higher operational cost, which is why only the ISS (with powerful links and relay support) can do near-continuous live feed
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>>520497283
please do, 6 million is an obnoxiously unrealistic number
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>>520497223
ISS cannot take the whole planet in one shot.
I don't think earth is flat, but space is not huge, there's no "deep space", galaxies are just small clouds, there are no other world, it's just us, on our planet, nothing else, the rest is cosmetic and to deceive humans.
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>>520497394
ah youre just schizo then, carry on
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>>520497312
Since 4 Starlink satellites deorbit every day on average, maybe we could just give one time with some footage? What would be the problem here? Why can’t we do that to just put all the naysayers to rest? Starlink loses 4 a day due to the orbiting and we’re worried about minimal power and trivial transmission rates. By the nature of Starlink itself, it should be able to communicate.
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I guess the fact that four Starlink satellite deorbit per day on average really shuts up all the it’s not cost-effective retards.
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>>520496559
Actually there is :( it's damn near double the price for an 8". I was going to get a Sky Watcher Heritage 150mm (6") for $305. Any 8" is pretty much over $600. With a UHC filter and a few semi okay lenses I just don't want to break the bank right away with it if I don't get too into it.
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>>520496412
Nice, fuck NASA, do your own research, literally.
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>>520498718
I think it will be fun and eventually I'll give it to my nephew I'm sure, either if I get tired of it or upgrade. I'd have absolutely loved a real telescope as a kid.
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>>520480777
Saturn looks nothing like that when you view it through a teleacope
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>>520497693
because the naysayers would deny its real anyways like all the vids from space that were already taken



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