Thoughts on UBI?
i’m still gonna work because i’m not a piece of shit
let’s take it a step further
>>521036179Well if we're going to be printing trillions anyway.. its probably is marginally better then the current setup
>>521036179Yang was right.
>>521036179It's basically bribery by big tech to people lose their skills, but overall their main intention is to remove the entire population with skills so thst society can't be independent of AI.
>>521036179saying no out of spite. everyone's life should stay shitty in the amount of negative $1200/mo at minimum. america first.
>>521036179SNAP already exists. You buy food with government dollars, spend the rest on iPhones and whatever you want.
necessary as you didn't captcha
>>521036739I'd rather depend on AI than on other people. People are unfit to serve one another in any way. Most of them are niggers or spics or bugmen. Would you want to depend on that kind of trash to run society?
>>521036179Ubisoft is a worse company than Electronic Arts.
>>521036179If dems don't run him in 28 they lose.Probably lose anyway but still
>>521036179You aren't entitled to money from a country that isn't your origin.
>>521036922Who will tell the AI how to govern, retard?
>>521036179I already get it via my neetbux so I don't care.
>>521036932EA cocksucking shill
>>521036179long overdue
>>521036179Inevitable if you believe automation is the future. We shouldn't be forced to work dirty dull or dangerous jobs for the sake of pretend money if machines can do it.
>>521036179It's sorta funny UBI was more popular when it was irrelevant but now that you have actual AI unemployment people don't find it as intriguing anymore
>>521036179Absolutely not worth in Yang's implementation as that'd mean you would be losing on every single social safety net there is in order to pay for it.
>>521037130What?Battlefield 6 is based.
>>521036179You'd have to create a new global currency for it to work.
It will be introduced.Just not the way people expect it to be.
>>521036179If we can remove 90% of niggers from their DEI jobs, where they can actually cause problems for humans, and instead send them home to sit on their porch and smoke weed for the same amount of money then I would consider that a win.
>>521036871>SNAP already exists.Does it?
>>521037344Unless you think the government will be indefinitely shut down forever, yes it does exist
>>521036179Notice how all the UBI experiments haven't posted results? A couple of states tried some limited UBI experiments with real people. Strange how they haven't been screaming any good news about UBI right? Where's the TED talks and MSM screeching? Heck, why haven't you fabricated some shit if it turned out it didn't help? What actually happened? Did suicide go up or some shit? Did it just not work? Did spending go down?
>>521036179You implement it, after having calculated based on your current production. Nobody ever needs to lift a finger anymore. Productivity sinks. You don't have the money for UBI anymore, then everything goes to shit. Because how do you plan on taking away a free no strings attached life to your population? UBI should only be done if your country is obscenely rich in a valuable resource. Enough so other countries end up paying for your citizen's UBI. Then there's garbage people. Literally all countries have ample groups of garbage people. Junkies won't stop being addicted because of UBI. :Low IQ people would continue shitting out multiple babies. Because babies also get a UBI payment. You'd be paying people to exist. No one is that much special, to deserve being taken care off by the government.
precursor to hyperinflation
>>521037434>What actually happened?Oof. AI said they reported reduced employment hours and little impact on long-term financial outcomes. That a neutral result. UBI didn't do what you hoped did it OP? >Some analyses of specific UBI trials have reported a small reduction in work hours and a decrease in annual incomeI really don't think Jews are gonna give you plebs free money. Not without sucking their dicks first. You are instead going to be show the door to the MAID chamber and they will kill you.
The only way I can see UBI working is to cut all forms of government assistance, cut government by 75%, and mandate at least 25 hours of community service a week to those who don’t want to work.
>>521036179It was probably necessary years ago by now, but the 40 hour work week has been kept going for the sake of keeping stocks up.Now that the economy is doing bad enough, the 150,000+ Layoffs in one month are proving that lots of jobs are essentially just employee-babysitting and aren't actually necessary.It'll just be inevitable before too long. Real unemployment is nearly 40% with no relief in sight, people are becoming discontent, and it's not realistic to have 120,000,000+ people with no income.Hint: Foodstamps, Section 8, & Welfare already are close to just being a UBI.
>>521036179It’s not gonna work. However, what will work is negative income tax. If you don’t make enough money in a year you get paid. But as a tradeoff abolish social welfare, including social security. Replace the decrepit pension system drafted during the pre-pill era with a Chilean savings system.
>>521036179It’s called “Planned economy” and there has never been a “planned economy” system that wasn’t endless poverty. Just look at USSR back in the day and now Cuba. Food lines that go for hours, nobody can afford anything, and there’s no production or anything resembling “decent” in standards of living.
Ubi only makes sense to the government if they are getting something in return, so like putting signs on your house or sensors, wifi nodes, cameras etc. Cant just expect money for existing you have to be atleast somewhat useful even if its just making sure a metal box is functioning daily.
>>521036179Only makes sense when combined with a Land Value Tax. UBI with income tax would just be moving money around from working people to non-working people (and they'd all spend it where owning people can get it). UBI with LVT moves money from owning people to working people. With AI and the automated economy it would accelerate all of these trends. UBI and income tax or similar regressive taxes would just shift money upwards to enrich the rich, and force everyone else into a social credit dystopia. UBI and LVT or similar sensible taxes would keep the automated economy and the participatory government functional for everyone.
>>521038167Obviously doing this in a zogged society wouldnt work out well, in an ethnostate it would be fine, this should go without saying.
crazy how we're actually on the verge of everything we know coming to an end
Andrew Yang was right about everything. He was ahead of his time
>>521036179anti semitic.
>>521038167UBI is basically just a bribe to keep society from collapsing. Food Stamps aren't given out because the state cares about keeping people from starving as far as we know, it's just because if enough of a population falls into abject hunger and poverty, the state falls apart.It's hard for the people that actually can find a job to work it when ther's food riots and cannibalism running rampant.
Is joke?Poof everyone has a million dollars. Same number of people. Same number of houses. How much does a house cost now?That's how price inflation/currency devaluation works. Hope this helps.None of you should be allowed to vote.
>>521038326You just crashed the housing market. And capital is fleeing your country for safer havens. Hope you like tumbleweed soup.
>>521038798If you think this is bad, ask them if deflation is good or bad, it’ll be hilarious.
>>521039264Maybe their influence really should be reduced to zero. It's this kinda shit that almost makes me support a brave new world technocracy.Not really. But holy moley.
>>521039251How does that crash the housing market? It would act to reduce the number of very large landowners and increase the overall number of landowners. Of course capitalists would like to avoid any taxes, right now they don't pay anything (their workers do). LVT would be the first thing in the modern world that had any chance at taxing it rather that taxing anyone that works for it, so there would be strange effects we haven't seen before. I don't know if capital would flee, necessarily, but they would spend a lot of money to prevent it, and they would then spend a lot of money to destroy any economy that allowed it to happen. This isn't quite the same as it being intrinsically bad for the economy, it's just that capitalists are quite willing to MAD over it. Even so it's well worth thinking about when considering UBI or LVT. Really a lot of 'economic facts' are just like this - they're 'facts' because they're threats the capitalists have made explicit and would be willing and able to carry out.
>>521038798It's like everyone believes it's completely inevitable that a smaller number of rich people will always own a larger and larger fraction of the overall economy.
>>521038157It’s happening in Russia now btw. Want to get a real red pill on that country? Look up the subsidized mortgage program. Their entire home building economy is drive. Exclusively by handouts designed to drag down the interest rate for “socially vulnerable” groups. No handouts = no new mortgages. No mortgage = no housing. And that’s just the tip. Think the Soviet commie bullshit ever went anywhere? Look up the whole social handout system with freebies like free healthcare and such. It gets worse every year and the people aren’t getting any younger or healthier. Same problems but less aggravated exist in other ex commie countries, even if they seem somewhat functional. Whole industries exist just to shuffle papers because the laws mandating weren’t abolished. Many such cases.
>>521039998If you tax something you get less of it. Increasing taxes on land ownership is a disincentive. People wont buy it anymore. They'll buy equities, crypto, etc, where the return isn't dented by your wealth redistribution scheme.It crashes because people want out of that asset with this new tax vulnerability. You'd see a stampede form and the selloff would reach firesale level until scavengers arrjve. Securitized mortgages collapse. Investment banks fall. '08.And capital flees generally because your government has displayed a willingness to rewrite the rules on a whim whenever it feels like taking your money. Would you leave your money with someone like that?Neither will anyone else. The non-property rights argument belongs to Murray Rothbard:You can't centrally plan an economy. Even a purely angelic endeavour would fail because market signals (prices) are corrupted by intervention. Without accurate information you can't plan.
>>521040065And they have powerful influence over government policies. You might say they're captured altogether by powerful monied interests. #1 gripe for guys like Jimmy Dore and most socialists for like 100 years.Every time, without fail, it's "We need more government!"If the government ran a restaurant would it be the best restaurant ever?
>>521038326Based georgist. May I recommend some Silvio Gessel. His free land idea is a more retarded lvt but i think the core of his free money take is valuable. That is, that risk free interest is the ultimate rent seeking enabler. >>521038669Bread and circus is why no one has rioted yet I'm convinced. That's why the zoomers in the third world riot every time a boomer government tries to censor the internet like in nepal, indonesia, madagascar, ect. I think things would actually stay stable a lot longer if the boomers in the west realized internet freedom is the only thing keeping them from the guillotine rn. >>521041516This is the whole point. The default number of houses a person needs to live isnt 0. It's one so they have a roof over their heads. Also the supply of land is fixed. Land supply is highly inelastic and demand is highly inelastic at parts of the curve. This is why LVT is the only efficient tax and makes every economist wet their pants.
We haven't made an progress since 2018.
>>521036179>>521037788I generally think UBI is advertised completely wrong. A negative income tax could make sense and is essentially UBI. As anon said, we are already subsidizing the poorest through welfare, why not just remove that and implement a negative income tax. Same shit. Also I would make the point that it's clear there are a lot of bullshit jobs and employee babysitting. I agree the real unemployment is stupidly high. This makes perfect sense though when you realize that financial assets which are not productive out perform actual productive assets. Why the fuck would you invest in economic growth that is 1-2% a year when a treasury bond returns 4%? This is the key issue. It doesn't pay to be productive anymore because of rent seeking dominance.
>>521036179Imagine even thinking of UBI with daddy Trump in the WH and Republicunts in control of congress. Lmao
>>521036179UBI is inflationaryit's better to just get inflation under control and have jobs for people. if people are able bodied, they should be forced to work. if they do not, then they starve. prisoners also need to be all put into forced labor. everyone must WORK to build wealth.
If you are not certified disabled, you need to support yourself or at least convince someone else into doing it. Fuck taking away my money via taxes to support you. Starve, peasant.
>>521037580this. stimmy checks have the same stupid inflationary effect (because they are "one shot" UBIs)
>>521036179UBI won’t happen until AIPAC is gone.
>>521042113Why stop at land tax then? Why not land redistribution if nobody should have 0 land?We agree the polarisation of wealth is a problem. I think you'd have less of it with less gov, less taxation, less central bank money printing. You'd also have less war, less price inflation which favours asset holding classes and creates an ever receding finish line for young people.
>>521036179either UBI or blood in the streets when AI takes all the jobs
>>521042784>Imagine even thinking of UBI with daddy Trump in the WH and Republicunts in control of congress. LmaoImagine thinking Trump gives one shit about that guy
>>521038798In fairness though, this is pretty much how it happens now (money out of thin air) except instead of putting a proportional amount of jewbucks into everyone's pockets at once, instead it trickles down indirectly from the Blackrocks of the world. Really all we're arguing about is taking some of the billionaires' gimmedats and peeling off a little bit to keep the proles from revolting.
>>5210361792000 bucks a month would go a LONG way to keeping homeless people off the god damn streets and away from my property.
>>521042947>just have jobs for peopleNo see you can just have everyone be fucking underemployed because you let the government collude with corpos to devalue workers and automate shit. Fuck your jobs. UBI is not inflationary because you can simply just not give it to billionaires and not print more fucking money for them, it also doesn’t raise prices too much because the world is now an international market. If some dipshit wants to make his chair the price of a ubi check, I can order one from China directly. They can’t enforce that pricing globally. He government already prints billions as it is, but just gives to 20 people instead of 20 million because of kickbacks and gdp obsession mixed with insider trading. Underemployed jobs with this much corruption is not sustainable. You have to give up one.
It would be great for those investing in weed and alcohol.
>>521036179/pol/ in a nutshell
>>521036179That guy getting shilled here 5 years ago was really something else. I wonder why he hasn't been relevant since.
>>521043296lolmost of the midwits here dont want to admit people spending more is good for the economy. the pennies they'd UBI out to the poor are nothing compared to the demonic grift fags like Obama Biden and the Bush family have gotten away with.We SHOULD be taking care of citizens.
Oh yeah, and those invested in std medications.Just kidding. I'm sure the poor would start a million lemonade stands and some would develop into clean energy solutions.
>>521036179I don't think we should have Universal Body Inspectors. It seems like an infringement of our rights, we would be giving away something for no reason. At no point in history did we have something like that and it sounds strange just thinking about it.
>>521043249your brain is rotted from jewish economics. read Schacht
>>521043036This is Silvios argument essentially. I disagree. I think that the free market is a power decentralized system that we embrace. I also think that the socialist idea that people should be connected with the fruits of their labor is a good idea. However, the socialist / capitalist dichotomy we are faced with currently is fundamentally wrong. The Austrian/Chicago school ideal of a rising tide lifts all boats seems to be provably false, but I think that is only true in certain circumstances. If you can restrain rent seeking behavior i.e. capital begetting capital without productivity I think that the rising ride argument can still be true.I agree less gov, less taxation, is correct. The problem with the central bank isn't that they print money. The problem is that monetary expansion is in private hands. A government need sovereignty over it's monetary creation otherwise it ceases to be sovereign which is where we are currently at. Inflation isn't inherently evil. The problem is when ever we have gotten inflation it has been accompanied by a reduction in purchasing power for the average wage. This isn't what happened in the 70's where we had super high inflation but wage growth kept up with or out paced inflation. I prefer demurrage to outright inflation. The idea is to keep monetary velocity constant and control supply to handle inflation instead of letting velocity free float and controlling supply indirectly through bonds like we do currently. Overall, I think our biggest fundamental problems are monetary and what has been done to the younger generation is disgusting. At the heart, rent seeking behavior / usury is the enemy I think
>>521043296reality
>>521036179It's a fine notion, but it demands one of two things: either a static population, or an ever-increasing economy generating the wealth required to cover the cost. In other words: fascism.
>>521043191I don't agree we should offset inflation caused by money conjuring by taxing some of the conjured money, which lets 'them' keep printing and taxing as if it's legitimate, which it isn't.Just have honest money. Gold standard. End the fed.
I like the idea of getting rid of all welfare that is dependent on anything like a single mother or low income. 1000 a month seems too high, though. Should be like 500 to start. AI going to make half the jobs irrelevant and not starving is nice. I can also work a day or two less per week and focus on my other business and not ruin my body.
Obviously necessary. There are more humans than there is demand for meaningful labor. Of course Glenn Beck/Shapiro types will tell you it's the start of "the beast" system or communism or whatever. Nevermind they want you to work until you're 80 and have your kids die in for-Israel wars.
>>521036179UBI logically requires a firm authoritarian regime because who's to enforce the trust agreements to not deflate the purchase power of currency. The biggest issue here is any business from micro to mega corporations. You have to keep these in line for UBI to stand a chance. Regular people will just be good boys and follow law, will the oil company also follow law? Certainly they won't out of kindness. So i think UBI requires a massive amount of rework of the current world order from the law perspective. Digidal ID being part of it for example but also much more.
>>521043683jews will naturally rack up the cost of everything if everyone has more expendable money>throw the jews down the well so my country can be free
>>521043517Again, money conjuring isn't the issue. Gold standard is in fact actually Jewry. Currency should not be a store of wealth, but only a medium of exchange. The problem with money printing right now is that we are aiming at 2% inflation and 1% of that is going directly to the bankers who are expanding the monetary supply without creating any value. A growing economy is fundamentally deflationary all else being equal. Despite the abuse that our system has suffered, it is in fact beneficial to have a little bit of inflation or demurrage to encourage monetary velocity to stay high all the time and prevent people from hoarding currency. This means that the sovereign of the currency in a growing economy should in fact literally print money, instead of manipulating the bond market and paying interest on the money it "printed". This way it can fund projects that are for the public good and productive, or provide liquidity at 0% risk free interest for potentially productive projects.
>>521036247Good goy, mr schlomo needs that mkney for his public and private social engineering projects.
>>521036179ME CHINESE ME PRAY JOKE ME PUT THOUSAN DORRAR IN YOUR COKE
>>521043683Emperor Diocletian couldn't set prices for even a week in his own capital city, upon pain of death by imperial decree, and no dice. You gonna put a chip in all our heads or what? Every interaction would have to be monitored, every widget produced at gunpoint, no black market possible. Prices stay set if you can eliminate free will and every ounce of autonomy.
>>521044476Eventually probably yes, brain chips. But only considering current limits UBI = less work force = more free people. UBI needs strict authoritarian oversight = more government gestapo type jobs (like ICE).
>>521036179People will still work to make enough just to stay away from niggers. This is kind of what happens already.
>>521043961They may tell you 2% is the target. Things I'd buy that for a dollar in 2019 are about $1.70 now.I'm Ron Paulian with the fed. How many wars would the US have fought for Israel if they had to finance each campaign from the existing money supply? Seems to me the Fed is the top tool of Jewry in 2025. Not gold.
>>521044132>THOUSAN DORRAR
>>521043517All true, but it's never going to happen. Unless you think we'll also be repealing women's right to vote and ejecting all jews and non-whites from the country.
>>521044705"More free people"Riiiiight.
>>521036179Probably eventually necessary if the automation and AI will take the jobs.Do not be mistaken however, UBI will absolutely be used to fuck over people. Like the minimum wage, it will not be tied to inflation and increasing it will be politically charged topic. Then the government will eventually mandate some sort of "voluntary service" to be tied to gaining UBI fully, whether that be signing up for draft, or masking mandate, or becoming biological battery will depend on what sort of crisis they manufacture the next.
>>521045104Brother please understand. The inflation numbers were bullshit in recent years and severely underestimated. The fed and central banks are jewry and need to be destroyed. Israel needs to be de funded by america. The fed is the tool or jewry in 2025. However, gold is also the tool of the Jew. Read about how bimetallism fell and why the gold standard was implemented. Then read why the gold standard failed. It is because with a gold standard the financiers can control still control liquidity. They start exchanging currency for gold while at the same time reducing liquidity and it collapses your economy. I know everything I am saying like inflation is not evil and printing money is not actually bad sounds like jewry because it is used for evil but it is not. Read about Napeloeons france, England's struggles before 1694, the two failed attempts before success to implement a central bank in america, nazi germany, fascist italy and so on. Central banking is a scourge but it is specifically by subverting good ideas to their aims that they dominate.
>>521045222Idk man. Ron Paul had some momentum back in the day and there wasn't anywhere near today's broad and enduring dissatisfaction. I could see Rand Paul/Massie taking a flamethrower to it.I know, as if. But the Dems are unwanted trannies. And whats anyone after Don the con gonna pitch for the Rs? "America First, no but seriously, we really really mean it this time, scout's honor." Everyone around him has miga stink. This kills the Republican party.
>>521036179It's pointless. Here's why:https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/1m0px7o/attention_at_least_one_rapture_has_already/From the post:>And don't be deceived by the fact that the masses aren't talking about this info. In actuality, this info is the most important thing on the planet right now—by far. Nothing else even comes close.
>>521045634The gold/silver thing I heard just suffered from ratio fluctuation. I think it's one of the few parts of the US Constitution which everyone agrees was a mistake.Obviously I'm biased toward Dr. Paul and Rothbard but recommend some links or books and I'll check it out.
>>521045634Btw you sound like a Darryl Cooper martyrmade subscriber. If not, the dude has been slow as molasses to put out his WW2 stuff but his library is excellent. Some free stuff on spotify, I think.Can't believe I'm shilling for his slow ass but he's awesome.
>>521036179nah the poor should just die lol
>>521036179absolutely retarded
>>521046056>>521046324I am a little drunk I am not going to lie. Bimetallism isn't fundamentally a bad idea imo if you can have a floating rate. If you have a fixed rate you are going to get fucked by arbitrage regardless and that is essentially what happened, you are right. IMO holding a diversified set of commodities to back your currency which float at market value could maybe be viable if you think a currency should be a store of value. Still it's kind of hard to do, and even when most countries have a gold standard say, it's not the general public that can exchange for gold, only foreign governments holding reserves. What I am saying is holding diversified commodities could maybe work if only big players could trade them and they floated freely at market rates. I digress though. I wish I could think of a better reading list. I feel like you have to read older people to get an idea and then more modern histories that are biased to get an idea of what actually happened. Arthur Kitson : a fraudulent standard isn't a bad start. It's short but doesn't really present the whole argument at all. The point is really that the way we generally control our monetary system is through monetary supply. If you understand Silvio gesell properly or even just realize its m2 * velocity then you realize this is inadequate. The thing with the gold standard is that by going on a gold standard you are also inherently artificially lowering the price of gold if your economy grows. Also gold is a limited resource. It's very vulnerable to people hoarding. The real problem is you allow private banks to expand the money supply through debt creating currency. Then private individuals hoard the singular and limited resource of gold while you are trying to artificially hold the price down. Suddenly you have a inflated currency that is backed by gold.
>>521046987Obviously eventually it will, and like de beers with diamonds, the jews control gold. When you are aching for gold, that is exactly when the bankers will refuse to sell and constrict their lending. Suddenly m2 and velocity shrink at the same time and your economy is fucked. Then they can propose bail outs to enrich themselves, and use their wealth to buy cheap land/commodities and consolidate their power. Fundamentally what I am trying to tell you is don't invest in gold like everyone says. Invest primarily in productive assets and secondarily, if that fails, in a diversified set of commodities in which you can store effectively.
I think it makes great music!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-50CeNelnA
>>521047110https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikd2qeCZxyA&list=PLZ7GdlPK75_tXJYVzkCId2SYEjBLjnU9EThis series is pretty good. I think this episode is probably the one that talks the most about the gold standard but im not sure.
>>521047110> Obviously eventually it willcrash*
>>521036247There will be no jobs, anon.
>>521047381Trump was right. The golden age has begun. You've seen the graph of productivity rising but relative wages being stagnant for decades? The government will be forced to give back to the people because the alternative is death. Problem with death is that it can lead to a regime change and that is simply not something the system wants to happen. If i were you, I would get an education because if you won't have a piece of paper proving competence in the coming years you will simply not be able to reap the rewards.
>>521046987Not gonna lie either, I'm an ignoramus. Lots of lolbertarian podcasts (not the faggy Chase Oliver kind) with an austrian slant, zero economics books consumed.Your talk about velocity is over my head but I'll consider the hoarding issue, whether gold or fiat. Will also check out Kitson. Thanks, ice ape.
>>521047739I honestly have never heard of darryl cooper but I've listened to like 10 mins of a podcast at this point. Instantly realized he is a neo-platonist which is my type of person. If you want to understand economics read the people around 1930 who were trying to figure shit out. Keynes won, but he was just copying Gesell and adding some exploitative shit. George is good, maybe some social credit. Understand their inspirations like austrian and chicago school but also unfortunately marx. Everyone is retarded including me. It's only in an attempt to be less retarded that glory might be achieved.
>>521047739>Hoarding is just a dirty word for savings. Consume-at-all-costs types like to use it.
>>521047956Saving is not the issue. Capital begetting capital with no production is fundamentally usury and is evil. You should be able to save for your retirement, but not have it grow at 10% yoy with no input. Also you should remember the best investment naturally is the investment in your community and other people.
>>521036179UBI is based because it will expose the artificial scarcity that keeps most people poor and - if implemented properly - will completely change the balance of power between employers and employees.No more dancing Walmart slaves.No more begging for tips at restaurants.No more school cafeterias open during summer break because hungry children need to eat, while food surplus gets destroyed by producers in order to keep prices high.It's time for a post-scarcity society.
ubi is pointless without price regulations, which america does through "subsidies" so you'll be giving people ubi. and you'll be paying off landlords, realtors merchants producers and service providers to keep their prices low.guess which side you'll be dropping more money on?>>521039251i really dont care about richfags. all these threats if you do x they will leavegood let them eternal summer in figi or live their lives in new zealand bunkers.
>>521036179its a necessity if you want to keep capitalism going
>>521037434None of the UBI tests im aware of have actually tested UBI, they have tested some kind of weird charity program.For UBI to actually be UBI it needs to be applied to the entire society, not just some individuals within it, and it needs to be permanent so people do not see it as just a temporary amount of money you have 'won' by being selected.Only then can you actually test the idea.
>>521036179Lenin's Ledger economy with AI. Slavery by way of energy points. HELL ON EARTH.>You've used to much energy today, no air conditioning for you!
>>521047942He's the fella caused all that kerfuffle on the Tucker show a few months back. His current project is WW2 from the German perspective.His first series was called Fear and Loathing In The New Jerusalem concerning the establishment of the state of Israel up until 1947, and it's something like 23 hours. The first 20 or 30 minutes are the sort of apologia you'd expect, but after that it's pretty down the middle imo.He's got a 3 part Epstein series. Near 30 hours on Jim Jones, the don't drink the koolaid mass suicide preacher. I remember Blacks and Jews as an excellent history of the civil rights alliance in early 60s America, through its fracturing in the late 60s, and the rise of third worldism identity politics in the black power revolutionary 70s. He doesn't gjve verbal footnotes but quotes plenty and it's clear he does the research, which is a welcome change from pundits simply opining or guys who rehash their dozen quotes and never get any new ones (Dave Smith, who I like, but...)
>>521036179I'd prefer they'd change the planning laws and stop importing millions of people first, otherwise it would just cause house prices/rent to surge even higher, wiping out any gains I'd see from the money.
>>521049470That sounds pretty up my alley desu. I'm about 1 hr into the tucker podcast rn and I am enjoying it. I've gotta look into him. I started "from dawn to decadence" a couple days ago so I gotta commit to that first, but I'll definitely look into his longer series after that. Thanks anon, I appreciate it.
>>521036179That AI better be real good because all you will be doing is battery farming stupid poor third worlders who won't be able to fix a thing if anything breaks.
>>521036179a ubi in effect means redistributing money from whites to non-whites
>>521036179Never happening. Why would those who own everything want to subsidise a bunch of useless eaters? When the technology allows it, 99% of the population will be culled.
>>521036179you already have a huge welfare-dependent population of dregs, how is it working out for you?
>>521036871>>521037344theres a very low income requirement. not all walmart employees even qualify for it. so you can be working poor and still not qualify for help with food. this is one of many reasons everyone tries to get disability payments
>>521037279Goy opinion. Worse than battlefield 4 13 years later.
>>521036179They can always just print more money like they always do.
>>521049778Glad to hear. If you see him guesting on different podcasts he clearly comes armed with canned replies, but I forgive him for being cautious about coloring outside the lines given the clit level cultural sensitivity to his topics.This 4 chan thing is ok, "hont' deyo!"
>>521036179imagine relying on the government to survive. how's that been working for snap recipients? UBI is slavery.
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>>521044024This idiots will never get it.
>>521036179MAGAtards think it's cringe but will soiface and shout "BASED" when Trump hands them out, that is if he even actually ends up sending them out
>>521036179>Thoughts on communism and Keynes I won't need to kill you because you'll starve to death lol
>>521036179It needs to happen soon.They're telling people that ai is going to take most jobs. So what's their plan?
>>521036179unironically good, wholesome the best solution to many but not all our problems.
The entire economy is at the point where a small minority of people produce more than people can consume. It's set up so that a small minority does everything and everyone else just mooches off it without adding any value whatsoever.We are already past the point where there should be UBI, but there is no practical way to implement it. If you gave everyone UBI then what does the working class gain from working? Every worker can just do nothing and get paid, and then the entire system collapses.The only real way UBI can be implemented is by having robots do all these jobs. We aren't even close to that right now.The only other way to implement UBI is communism. State owns everything, state tells citizens to do their 3 hours of daily work to spread the labor. Which wouldn't work.
>>521036179Complete fantasy utopianism that would just accelerate hyper-inflation and economic collapse.The reality is that there is no magic solution to the pyramid scheme currently being operated in the West. They need to accept that infinite growth is an unsustainable economic model and open borders and UBI aren't the solution, they're just heaping more fuel on the eventual funeral pyre.Stocks cannot grow forever, the model is fundamentally flawed.
>>521053706God you people are so retarded. If everyone got paid $1000 every month let's say, everyone would be on equal ground. They can still work if they want more, but it wouldn't be required to simply live.
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>>521053793I don't understand why they cant just do a BC/AD thing with the entire system. If there was an actual political will they could probably put weights on previous metrics as inputs and then adjust them as necessary as they are outputted into the new system. The new system would be the same in the sense of people being able to own property and have assets, with similar or perhaps a more restricted set of incentives, but different ways to achieve what "winning" looks like. Probably couldn't happen without a united global population initiative, and we've seen how those all turned out
>>521038157nonsense. While too much planning is bad, the GDR was successful and would have thrived if Russia wouldn't have been fleecing it. Communism is usually brown and cuba or african countries will not thrive under any system. Just like the GDR, China is socialist/communist to a degree. It's thriving.Russia is a multicultural entity, the largest to ever exist. It cannot function and it won't, except for matters of war.Lastly, the US is also a planned economy to a large degree, particularly when it suits the jew.
>>521053936t. retardMost people who make all your shit don't even make 1000 dollars a month.Why would someone work backbreaking labor to get maybe 300 dollars a month when they can just do nothing and get paid 1 thousand?You'll do backbreaking labor and kill yourself for an extra 30% more money?People who raise cows can't even afford to eat steak and that's after all the programs that help farmers.
>>521036179Excellent tool to thin out of inept corrupt bureaucracies.
>>521036179Still can't believe this dude came out offering a straight up bribe.
>>521054062You forgot the part where those people are all being replaced with ai and robots, retard.
>>521036179Sorry, only 33rd degree Anglo-American Freemasons and their registered pets are allowed the Presidency.
Fuck yeah! Free peanut butter!
>>521036179The state should pay people the amount it costs to house a prisoner if they want us to stay out of prison.The lowest that comes out to is at least $22k/year, based on the average cost per prisoner in Arkansas.Free healthcare should also be provided for everyone, again to keep people out of prison and getting it for free there.Anyone who disagrees with this is a useful idiot.
>>521054112I didn't. I talked about it in my post that you are too retarded to read.Zero % of those jobs have been replaced at the moment.
>>521038167We live in a world with fake jobs for brown people and females stop gaslighted that stuff is getting done right.
>>521054514You really are fucking retarded. We are talking about what is going on right now, not an imagined sci-fi future.It's unlikely you will live to see a significant AI/robot takeover of the job market. Maybe you will see all the trucks and taxis become self driving in 20 years.Maybe spend less time on your nigger infested twitter where people scream about muh AI stealing their ''jobs'' because someone generated an image with dalle.Absolute delusional looney troon.
>>521042947You're a crab in a bucketBet you are a circumcised crab too, wanting to snip other crabs penises
>>521054788They're already replacing people with ai. 20 years? Try 20 months, retard.
>>521054883Name any examples that are not related to porn for pajeets or nonsense ''jobs'' like translatorsinb4 this one chinese factory is automated, as if factories haven't been mostly automated for the past 50 years
>>521054883What sort of job are you doing that a chatbot is going to take from you in 2 more weeks?
>>521055025Go do your own research.
I don't care about UBI as much as I care about being able to get a fucking job. >enough jobs for the amount of people there are in a countryProblem fucking solved. Shiver me fucking timbers cunt.
>>521049194Are you alright, Mr. Lahey?
>>521055185Mentally ill low IQ retard gave up LOLYou are so uneducated and stupid I can argue your own point better than you. I know some examples of jobs being replaced by AI. One that is fairly common now is cutting grass. A lot of places have that fully automated now.That's less than 0.000001% of all jobs. Maybe we will live to see 2% of jobs being taken over by AI robots when self driving cars get approved for large scale use.
>>521054020Globalism has been a complete disaster for Western civilisation. We're bringing in brown people from incredibly corrupt nations with completely different values and cultures and then wondering why everything is going to shit.The fact that they aren't at all discerning about the people they're bringing in tells me that there is something deeply sinister behind it all, likely a coalition between communists, Islamists, Evangelicals and Judaism. They all have slightly different end goals but general agreement on many issues for the time being.This is probably the most dangerous time in the history of humanity and we are standing on the precipice.The only people who seem to really get it are the people currently being called "the woke right".
>>521042947Everyone here was on some form of UBI from age 0 - 18. Explain where the money from that came from.
>>521055287Hell considering the AI bubble is about to blow up soon, I’d push that date back a couple more decades while we work out global supply/economic crises at the same time.
>>521055600You people are so fucking dumb and clueless. You have no idea what's really going on.
>>521036807ok, Barron
>>521036179That's a chink who gives a fuck about what he thinks. What is it with these migrants in White countries wanting to rule over White people?
WHY ARE YOU DUMB NIGGERS REPLYING TO SPAM
>>521055600The AI bubble bursting is just going to cause rich people to have a meltdown. The AI bubble isn't caused by ''AI is le bad'' but investment scams and people having too much faith in the stock prices going up.I don't think the bubble bursting will have any significant effect on the actual progress or the lack of progress for the tech.The AI bubble bursting isn't going to stop the development of self-driving cars. At worst it will kill some of the free browser AI products like dalle and suno, because the investors will not want to keep running these services for free.There is also the chance that the AI bubble will continue to grow as it's being fueled by the new innovation. Like if tomorrow they release some AI controlled robot (not that shitty one that is remotely controlled by real people) you will see the stocks go up, and then if something else is released it will go up.The bubble is fueled by gamblers who just want the stock to go up. It has nothing to do with the actual technology.
