why did the dems cave on the shutdown after saying for a month drumpf was the one who was shutting down the government?
>>521086121The DNC is terrified of ever actually winning elections as that would mean having to actually attempt to govern and that's why every time, without fail, the party will always shoot itself in the foot the moment it finally starts making the right decisions for itself.
It was all a ploy to win in the midterms and it worked, retard. For a place that considers itself a politics board, most of you don't have a fucking clue how politics actually works.
>>521086121>SNAP benefits not going out>ATC's walking out with 2 weeks to Thanksgiving>Schumer constantly pushing the filibustersomeone read the writing on the walls and told them to end the clown show before they forfeit any chance of winning an election again
>>521086279>reddit spacing
Because the dems in the pic are on the same side as trump: billionaire masters .
>>521086279...don't tell me you think two blue state off year governor elections are the midterms, there's no way you're that stupid then project about people not knowing about politics
>>521086414>blue wave
>>521086410even though that's blatantly absurd, I did see some liberal salt saying they think Chuck Schumer is controlled opposition lmfao
Changed their plans basically. They saw that republicans were willing to shutdown air travel completely + beg the Supreme Court to starve people and decided that, fuck it, let them take away healthcare. At the end of the day, you’ve got to let the kid touch the stove. In this case, MAGA is licking the stove over and over but you still have to let them. Let the premiums go up, let the republicans create pandemonium. There’s no reasoning with them evidently. The public should get to see what America looks like when republicans get everything they want.
>>521086531>being funded by billionaire donors is blatantly absurdThe absolute state of amerikeks, literal don't believe what you see shit
>>521086657>democrats shut down government>WTF DRUMPF>Trump tries to open government>WTF DRUMPF>dems cave and let the government open>WTF DRUMPFyou redditors are insane. >>521086685go away foreigner
>>521086279I agree with this, it was a ploy to bait the Trump admin into fucking over poor people and giving them talking points for the midterms. Trump fell for it too.
They're runs by 80 IQ light skins and spic illegals. This is not the corrupt party of Irish and Italians anymore. It's the corrupt party of third world gutter trash
>>521086780Democrats shut down the government to get absolutely nothing but everyone else hating them more, and now even their own party hating them more because they caved.
>>521086657>>521086780>heres how bernie can still win
>>521086748I know reality is hard to swallow
>>521086959>Bernie admits healthcare is too expensive and that the healthcare system failed>it's their systemNO refunds
>>521086279>It was all a ploy to win in the midterms and it workedsauce?
>>521087115He thinks the governor elections in NJ and VA were the midterms lol
>>521086780This is true. I don’t think this was the original intention, but it will happen. People will remember this shutdown when their premiums double and they will remember that 1.) Trump asked the Supreme Court to stop funding Snap and got his way 2.) the republicans were against extending healthcare subsidies Undoubtedly conservatives are celebrating this as a victory, but as the fallout of this failed negotiation becomes clear, that will sour. The public will continue souring on conservatives, especially when tariff prices and a terrible job market are compounded with new health care costs.
>>521087244>1.) Trump asked the Supreme Court to stop funding Snap and got his way the judge illegally demanded the government pay for something they weren't legally allowed to pay for. democrats having a meltdown isn't an emergency. >2.) the republicans were against extending healthcare subsidieswhy would we throw another TRILLION dollars are your failing healthcare system? obamacare is dead
>>521087244>People will remember this shutdownthis is a wild level of confidence you have in the American voting public
>>521086121It was all a ploy to get the republicans to end the filibuster. They know they don't have the votes to do it because 1 or 2 dems will defect, but if they can get the republicans to do it themselves then they are good to go. To bad it didn't work out and they pissed off a ton of their votes by taking away their food.
>>521087558>It was all a ploy to get the republicans to end the filibusterI can actually see this as plausible. It almost worked too until 8 of the dems caved.
>>521086121well leftism is a mental disorder so there is thatimagine claiming men get pregnant and girls have dicks???
>>521087328You can try explaining to people that “Obamacare is dead” when their insurance doubles, but I don’t think they will care. I absolutely hate Obamacare for a bunch of reasons. That said, our healthcare system has been a total nightmare since the 1930’s and group rates, and nothing short of nationalizing insurance is going to fix it. If you’re going to gut something, have an alternative. I mean just for the optics republicans should have an alternative beyond “fuck Obamacare” because people vote with their pocketbook as the saying goes. Donald’s vague promise to send everyone checks for healthcare won’t cut it.
>>521086121They only cared about using the shutdown up until the election, they dont have any leverage now at all.
>>521087643trump was retarded enough to go for it.
Everyone knows why really….
>>521087244Checked, this anon gets it.
>>521087687I like my insurance though, I don't want the government fucking it up. >Donald’s vague promise to send everyone checks for healthcare won’t cut it.Trump can propose whatever he wants but it's irrelevant because the congressional GOP actually has to get off their lazy asses and do something. The way I see it is the GOP has until the end of January to come up with something because if they don't the dems will just shut down the government again. It's funny that Obamacare was supposed to have solved healthcare, yet democrats keep bitching about it like it's anyone else's fault but their own. Bernie virtue signalling about people are going to LE DIE when it's their own plan that failed is just hilarious. >>521087777I think that was more pressuring the GOP to do something because he knows they don't want to either lol, but yea if not he was pushing that hard
>>521086279There's still a year to go till midterms then 2 more years of Trump then likely 8 years of JD
>>521087777I'm almost certain the dems would have caved a week earlier if Trump hadn't started screeching about ending the filibuster. They just kept going on and on about how the republicans can open the government any time by changing the rules. It all seemed surreal.My thought is that they believe they have a good shot at taking the senate back in 26 and if they could get the filibuster out of the way they can go ham straight out of the gate.
>>521086121>for a month drumpf was the one who was shutting down the government?he was and you're beyond retarded for thinking otherwise>whycan you even read? they literally said why>ITS LE ONLY DEAL WERE EVER GOING TO GET AT ALL SO WE SAID OKso 7 dems caved and said ok and 1 pretend retarded dem whos a literal republican at this point said yes
>>521088201>he was and you're beyond retarded for thinking otherwiseit's over, leaf shill, you don't have to try to gaslight anymore. It's blatantly obvious the democrats shut the government down to anyone not an insane braishwashed useful idiot, or shill like yourself. No one even believes you people believe that. >dems shut down government>WTF DRUMPFthat was so silly
>>521086121Schumer today said that Trump shutdown the government. Theyll just keep doubling down on saying that. Some of their voters believe that Trump can unilaterally shutdown the government
>>521086355the dems literally just won everything with this going on, i get you rightoids are the dumbest mother fuckers alive but jesus christ
>>521088148you mean house right? they're not taking the senate but they could flip the house. >>521088291Schumer is one of the most grotesque gaslighters in US political history. He just kvetches in a monotone speech the most ridiculous talking points imaginable with a straight face.
>>521088288>LE FLAGS ARE REAL ON 4CHANwhy is it only rightoids believe this? dumbest of the fucking dumb always group think the same shit, you never see a leftist accuse anyone of flags >le shillyes you are a shill for your pedo party>its blantently obviousits so obvious 60% of the US says it was the (R)etards party fault, even fake news fox couldnt deny it. only paid shills like you pushed that shit with your bought likes on twitter
Democrats DO NOT want to be in power. They want to collect massive corporate campaign donations. If they're in power it gets much harder to collect those donations because their constituents will perpetually demand that they do things that aren't in the interest of corporations. When they are out of power they get to sit on the sidelines and pretend they'd do things they would never do.
>>521088462uh oh are you going to have a meltdown ITT troon?
>>521088381I said "they believe" and I honestly think they believe they can take the senate back
>>521086121It's really about Schumer trying to look tough and not get primaried out by AOC>majority of welfare losers are Dem>majority of gubmint workers are dem>Trump already got military and ICE funded for years he dont GAF>dem senators from purple states cover their own ass and end shutdownAt this point I have to conclude the sheer amount of women, shitskins and cripples in the party has brought down the IQ to a dysfunctional level. They can't even do basic math or calculate odds.
>>521088524>can't fight back>no argument>immediate insultsi accept your concession. every time with you retards,moment you shills know you lost you just start spouting your tranny fetish
>>521086121because they won their Nov 4 elections, so they don't need to give a shit what anyone thinks any more
>>521088560I know, but haven't really seen much hype about them taking the senate. >>521088650No one is going to fight, argue, or debate you here; do you understand that? Why would anyone waste time doing that with someone so clearly deranged and unhinged? You're like the schizo homeless man screaming on the street corner, no one is going to discuss his delusions with him.Hope that helps you dem freak.
What the dems got>no kings protest>favorable elections>a promise from the Senate majority leader to hold a vote on Obamacare subsidies (will be a black mark on the voting resume of the Republicans). Schumer is a very effective operator for the Democrats, there's no doubt about it. He is an S-tier politician.
>>521087945Nobody, not even democrats, thought that Obamacare would solve healthcare. Obamacare was a terrible compromise that tried to nationalize healthcare while keeping insurance companies private. That said, the environment pre-Obamacare had its own set of problems. Hospitals were shuffling around the debt accrued via emergency room visits in the wake of Raegan’s EMTALA and the public was treating the emergency room like a free clinic. It was shit. Premiums were going up for people that could afford to pay and there was no end in sight, partially because Raegan sloppily defined “stabilization” so every doctor over treated patients so as not to accrue a fine or be sued. Even conservatives recognized that something had to change. Conservatives wanted to privatize everything, democrats wanted to nationalize everything, and so we ended up with Obamacare: a dogshit compromise that nobody likes.Where think people get lost is that they think 1.) the market pre-Obamacare was ever truly private 2.) that the market pre-Obamacare was good It wasn’t and it wasn’t. When conservatives succeed in raising premiums for healthcare, it will only further accentuate the absolute need for better healthcare. You could argue that this is a necessary step towards that, but I’m telling you right now that voters are going to be pissed off about it come midterms.
>>521088767>no kings protestlol, they were scheduled before the shutdown>favorable electionsthey were going to be favorable regardless >>a promise from the Senate majority leader to hold a vote on Obamacare subsidies (will be a black mark on the voting resume of the Republicans). Schumer is a very effective operator for the Democrats, there's no doubt about it. He is an S-tier politician.His OWN party hates him now and wants him out lol.
>>521088845But it wasn't a compromise though, iirc it passed without any GOP votes. There ACTUALLY needs to be a compromise with the left on healthcare, which I hope Trump does. He could take this issue from the dems with their help and take credit for it if the GOP in congress actually did something. Congress is too busy being fat lazy retards who do nothing but money launder and insider trade, on both sides.
>>521088381Hes disgusting. Low iq and low information democrat voters believe democrats didnt shutdown despite their votes to not fund the government
>>521088807Democrats really are playing 4d chess while we Republicans are playing checkers. We just can't seem to outsmart them and it's frustrating.
>>521089122Dem approval went down and GOP approval went up during the shutdown. And the dem approval is so low because almost half of dems hate their own party, do you think they'll like them more after caving without getting anything?
>>521089216The salt has been good. They want their own tea party movement and for the party to be more radical
>>521086780>it was a ploy to bait the Trump admin into fucking over poor people and giving them talking points for the midterms.wtf I love Chuck Schumer now
>>521086209GOP is going to beat them by destroying our 28 billion dollar hemp industry with a penstroke.
>>521089216>Dem approval went down and GOP approval went up during the shutdown.Let's stop kidding ourselves. We get all of our poll results from Bagger blogs. Dems are going to sweep '26 and take the presidency in '28 and it's all because we elected a pedo who blows Bibi and hates poor people.
>>521089499This all goes back to 2016 when the DNC suppressed the rightful outrage from the populist left and Bernie. The populist right won and took over the GOP while the left stayed establishment and did nothing but keep them as useful idiots without doing anything. Now they're uppity because the dems are in shambles. A democrat party fracture is good for the right because they'll fight it out and make themselves unelectable in swing districts and state wide if they go too far left, and won't have enough support to win if they're too moderate.
>>521089680>WeYou thought KWABmala would win too
>>521089033It was a compromise in so far as democrats, who recognized that they couldn’t nationalize insurance without republican support and didn’t feel that they could ever get it, tried to make Obamacare work despite this. You’re right that no conservative in the house or senate supported Obamacare. We can agree that the legislative branch is an abhorrent abomination that is actively undermining our democracy, but I would argue that the republican submission to Trump and his policies is the current best demonstration of how congress has failed fundamentally and has completely diverted from what the founding fathers intended for it do. Congress was never supposed to work for the president. In theory, Congress would fight for their position of power by being the best representatives possible. This is of course a hilarious joke now because both sides of the aisle work for lobbyists or the executive branch. This is why I actually somewhat (with reservations) admire Massie, Paul, and MTG, even though I’m sure they have their own diabolical interests at heart and I think MTG is actively retarded. But least Rand Paul is standing up for Kentucky with this whole hemp thing. A better Congress would serve this country greatly.
Looks like bets are still skewed towards Dems. Sad
>>521086279I hope they do something similar next year then, because i really dont want a shitjeet governoryes, i'll unironically take a commie progressive demonrat over a soros-funded streetshitter.
>>521089883Congress doesn't work for the president or there would be mass deportation legislation being made. Congress' job is to stonewall and insider trade
>>521089883The ONLY thing congress has done for Trump so far is the reconciliation budget which wasn't even everything Trump wanted. They're useless, and it didn't start with Trump. The erosion of the legislative branch has been happening since Bush which Obama accelerated. They abdicated their responsibility to the executive and judicial branches in favor of sitting on their fat asses and being corrupt. I don't admire the lolberts though, all they do is virtue signal and can't actually govern or contribute. They're good for nothing grandstanders who don't actually do anything but whine.
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uniparty worrying they'll start losing control over this controlled opposition kosher plantation.
>>521089727Heck no. I'm MIGA just like you. Israel needs our money much more than struggling Americans. The heck with Democrats, poor and working class Americans, and the lazy, overpaid Americans working in tech. The millions of Jeets we're bringing in will teach them a lesson
>>521090215go away flaggot
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>>521090215How is welfare for people that don't work and illegally invade the country "working Americans"
>>521086121Because cali and nyc require federal money to stay solvent.
Everyone should just get a basic high deductible plan from a private health insurance company, that's all that's really needed. Obamacare made that virtually impossible because the subsidies made it too lucrative for the legacy insurance companies. They got greedy. We need to destroy obamacare. Totally. To the ground. The result will be a proliferation of competitively priced high deductible plans. But dems don't want that. They want to railroad you onto an expensive plan you'll never use so their millions of NPCs can continue to get their five psychiatric medications on your dime.
>>521090120Congress fucked up by pushing whoever Trump proposed for his cabinets. That was a mistake. Patel, Hegseth and RFK are clowns. If you go back and rewatch republicans question hegseth, you can tell they don’t want to confirm him. But they do. I’m sure we could take the erosion of Congress much farther back than Bush, but the sentiment still holds. The corruption and apathy of Congress is a fundamental problem.
>>521090502Trump's cabinet is obviously chosen for loyalty. Pootel saying the FBI HQ was bugged probably wasn't an exaggeration
What's a Schumer's status in Epstein files?
>>521090681Surely this admin could’ve chosen a loyalist who wasn’t retarded? I understand Trump’s supreme desire for loyalty and compliance, but surely there are alternatives to this?
>>521091012What did he say that's wrong?
>>521090329>people that don't work and illegally invade the countryI'm not quite sure what you mean here fellow Bagger. God Emperor Trump is well on his way to removing all illegals and sending them packing, leaving only scummy poor and working class Americans. Too bad we helped send all of those millions of factory jobs to Asia and Mexico. Anyway we Republicans won this showdown which means a major victory for big pharma and insurance companies like UHC. MIGA! COVFEFE!!
>>521091135Thankfully Democrats are threatening to secede so they can illegally keep their dysgenics goblins from latin America
Airport lobbyists
>>521091259>Democrats are threatening to secedeWhy would they threaten to secede when it's obvious they're going to annihilate us in the midterms? I guess electing a compromised deviant who spends half of his time golfing and the other half sleeping wasn't such a good idea after all.
>>521091578The dysgenic losers are going to win the midterms? And then what
>>521090439If you have a 20k deductible it's not really affordable. The number of families who could afford to drop 20k before receiving coverage is probably a single digit percentage.
>>521091712>And then whatWe'll probably sob, hold our breath until our faces turn blue and then take our ball and go home. Only much later will we admit to ourselves that we fell for it again.
>>521090502>Patel, Hegseth and RFK are clownsI think they've been great hoenstly.
>>521092302No like the dysgenics don't have any policies. What did Kamala even run on? Nigger worship?
>>521092472Oh now I remember, Kamala hired brown and yellow child actors to laugh at her jokes and so she could tell them they were going to be astronauts. Then she went into an alcohol detox fueled hallucination about her middle school class on planets or something
Are predditors raiding the board again? Do they really think that they're going to change anything this time after failing every single other time?Even the Clinton campaign spending millions of dollars couldn't do anything against a racist frog.Don't give obvious shills attention and (you)s for being retarded.
>>521088014Kek they'll shut down the government in January. They are not as retarded as you
>>521086121Both of those losers need to go. Jefferies is a dildo along with Shumer.
