Liberals understood better than “conservatives” that the logical conclusion of right-wing thought is ethnonationalism. They marshaled every institution and resource to fascist-proof society in the post-war era because they knew that any free objection to their narrative would inevitably lead to the historically commensurate status quo ante of white ethnic consciousness. They recognized that the concepts of pluralism, race-blindness, “the open society”, “propositional nationhood”, etc. could only be maintained with relentless social engineering while “conservatives” fully drank the kool aid and believed these ideas had actually won out in “the market place of ideas” and could withstand scrutiny. The difference was liberals adopted these ideas with the ulterior motives of completely subverting and effectively destroying society. Conversely, conservatives earnestly believed it all and went so far as to retroactively construct their own myths around it as a conceptual progression of their own conservative traditions. In this way, they were the only true “progressives” all along.
>>523229175>wall of text>stonetoss againNo clue but that elephant on the right panel is bad radical
Or, "conservatives" are also just liberals but at a lower gear, and they weren't so much duped by crypto-revolutionary liberals as much as playing their part in keeping the plebs from getting spooked as western capitalism evolved into its ultimate globohomo form
>>523229604They were at a lower gear because they were being genuinely persuaded. Liberals moved at a much more rapid pace because they knew the end goal from the beginning. You say it facetiously but all liberals are effectively crypto-revolutionaries. Not many of them actually know the origins of the ideas they hold so they aren’t explicit communist agitators but their ideology is in fact revolutionary. Virtually every single liberalizing social development in the past 75 years, from racial equality to feminism, to LGBTQ, to troons, etc. Has been directed by communists. “Liberals” just adopt what grows out of academia and into media and becomes trendy, edgy and exciting. Then conservatives adopt it once it’s no longer provocative. This is the cycle.
>>523229175wheres amogus?
>>523230283I think essentially the opposite. All these liberalizing social developments are the result of capitalism identifying all pre-existing social structures as anachronistic inefficiencies and dissolving them accordingly in the pursuit of labor market rationalization and profit maximization. As beard man himself said:>All fixed, fast-frozen relations…are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned…It's not commies trying to turn you into a tranny mulatto to achieve the revolution, it's the shark-eyed socipaths at the top and the bean-counting insects that administer the system on their behalf obliterating all the guardrails against everyone and everything dissolving into a brown homosexual sludge, because it makes them more money
>>523230923I don’t think the two are actually mutually exclusive. The new left, which reoriented around these social grievances rather than labor, was itself a subversion. Capital interests aligned with these things but it’s irrefutable fact that their academic genesis was in some form of Marxist thought.
>>523231206>The new left, which reoriented around these social grievances rather than labor, was itself a subversion.Yes, I agree.>Capital interests aligned with these things but it’s irrefutable fact that their academic genesis was in some form of Marxist thought.Sure, but if woke libshittery is just capital wearing Marxism's skin as a mask is it really valid to say "commies did globohomo"?
>>523231206>irrefutable fact that their academic genesis was in some form of Marxist thought.do you even understand what you are saying? cause it seems that you are just doing a pseudointellectual rambling.
>>523231901>woke libshittery is just capital wearing Marxism's skinthis is correct. Marx talked about capitalism doing mass immigration just to fuck with labor class, liberals champion mass immigration which benefits only the capital. Marxism is about workers uniting against elites, liberals divide based on race. There are a lot more examples how everything seems leftish on the surface but has nothing to do with leftism.
>>523232107>do you even understand what you are sayingWhat is there not to understand? Where do you think anti-white race theory, feminism, LGBTQ and trans came from? The most prominent intellectuals who originally pushed all of these things were communists.
>>523229175Holy effort post nerd post done tits next time
>>523232691You’re Indian
>>523229175Right. They fear what works against them. Basically Nazis.
>>523232587>Where do you think anti-white race theory, feminism, LGBTQ and trans came from?Just believing in something doesn't make it true. All you are doing is stating things without any substance. There is wikipedia that you can do minimal research and see that history much more complicated than what jordan peterson tells you. >The most prominent intellectuals who originally pushed all of these things were communists.any examples?
>>523232924>more complicated than what Jordan Peterson tells you Jordan Peterson wouldn’t talk about any of this you stupid nigger>any examples?The entire NAACP was Jewish communist lawyers and intellectuals, MLK himself, Stanley David Levison, Kimberle Crenshaw, Simone de Beauvoir, Judith Butler. How many do you need?
>>523229604Progressives used to be skeptical of Western capitalism, while conservatives thought of capitalism as an optimal end in itself, never distinguishing between creative and speculative capitalism. The U.S. is in end stage speculative capitalism, which has subverted both progressives (destroying mainstream trade unionism) and traditional conservatives (openly buying them off to ship jobs overseas and import cheap labor) as well as education at all levels, the media, and formerly mainstream churches.
>>523233637>Jordan Peterson wouldn’t talk about any of this you stupid niggerhe did, he constantly talked about how liberals in canada are the second coming of Stalin because Frankfurt school infiltrated United States. Literally nigger tier shit bullshit. Frankfurt school was procapitalist and anticommunist, anti-USSR. They wore the mask of marxists but were always against USSR, never doing any anticapitalist stuff just weird freudian sex fetishism. >The entire NAACP was Jewish communist lawyers and intellectuals, MLK himself, Stanley David Levison, Kimberle Crenshaw, Simone de Beauvoir, Judith Butler. How many do you need?None of them were marxists. They didn't do anything for marxist cause. Im more of a marxist than they were because I invest time defending marxism from stupid conspiracy theories.
learn some basics first.
>>523231206The new left is a capitalist diversion of forward looking mass action. They promoted social movements to get more people into the workforce, reducing labor’s leverage. If George Meany could see the Harris presidential campaign he would have had a fit. At the same time these social movements subvert the culture and infect capitalism with it.
>>523234207>liberals in canada are the second coming of Stalin because Frankfurt school infiltrated United States.He himself is a liberal. The kosher right will say these things broadly but they don’t actually scratch the service and they maintain the same moral frame that these ideas engendered so they could never meaningfully assess something like the NAACP, women’s equality, or even gay acceptance. >None of them were MarxistThey were literally all marxists you stupid commie nigger
>>523234294Hitler was big gubment democrap?
>>523232924You're either being obtuse on purpose or haven't actually read a book. Feminism ties in with cultural Marxism. You see that girl wearing a half top in church? It's "my body my choice" energy, right? This slogan didn't come out of nowhere and it is straight out of the feminist playbook. Who kicked off modern feminism so hard? Key players which were overwhelmingly Jewish women like Betty Friedan (wrote the feminine mystique, lit the fuse), Gloria Steinem (Funded by the CIA and first said "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle"), Beatte Sirota Gordon (Jew who wrote a feminist section for Japans constitution post WWII, Japanese birthrates tanked after this), they frame this as liberation from patriarchy but its really about destruction of family values, religion, and modesty codes that keep society functioning. Zoom out. As said before feminism ties with cultural marxism. The Frankfurt school (intellectuals who argued critical theory in order to deconstruct western culture) were almost entirely Jewish (Horkheimer, Adorno, Marcuse). They ran away from the Austrian painter to the US and began poisoning academia with the notion that everything traditional is backwards and oppressive. Fast forward, and you get gender fluidity, slut shaming as hate speech, and churches into liberal preaching zones. Then layer on the role of Zionism. Its not just the "west" or "elites" its the global Jews pushing for progressive agendas to weaken the west from within. FACT the richest people in our country and in the world are either Zionist Jews or just Zionists. Nearly all CEOs are either Jewish themselves or heavily supportive of Zionism. Hollywood has been ran by Jews for generations pumping out movies and shows that make degeneracy appear cool. It's all connected, divide and conquer. Call this out, and elite Jewish organizations like the ADL will dox and silence you. Once you see its ALWAYS Jews you cannot unsee it.
>>523234294Hello newfriend! I see you are new to 4chan and politics in general. It is advised to spend some time lurking before posting youself. Of course your nuanced takes are always welcomed. With that said, let me give you a warm welcome to our forums.
republicans 2 years ago:>we're not racists, dems are the real racists, also I want to kill all brown peoplerepublicans now:>yeah I might be racist but its fine as long as I get to kill all brown people, or niggers as I like to call them.
>>523229175There is no fascism. Fuck off retard.
>>523234997You are Indian
>>523234581>He himself is a liberal. The kosher right will say these things broadly but they don’t actually scratch the service and they maintain the same moral frame that these ideas engendered so they could never meaningfully assess something like the NAACP, women’s equality, or even gay acceptance.It's useful to say those things to divide on race and gender while grifting like a good capitalist, you know just making money old fashion way while being invited to the globohomo parties. >They were literally all marxists you stupid commie niggerAgain, just because you believe something, doesn't make it true. They were pro-capitalist liberals, well, like all liberals. Feminism was always liberal thing which predates communism and probably by a lot. Marx from what I remember was mostly critical of capitalists using women and children as cheap labor and that it was just damaging both labor value and traditional family but you do you, imagine some bullshit how jew lawyers are communists that's why trans are communists.
>>523229175Gay. American politics have shifted drastically to the right since the 90s. Democrats dont even represent leftists anymore and are just an arm of capitalists overlords meant to be a pressure valve with social victories that are constantly on the line to be reversed and scaled back. Not even a commie, thats just how the game works here. Leftists wish chuck and aoc were the socialists fox news scaremongers your parents into believing. The last election was literally kamela being like "what if I did the same thing as trump is suggesting but wasnt so mean about it?" Maga constantly uses the actions of Obama to justify the actions of trump, Obama was a shift to the right like it or not even with gay marriage, and obamacare just codified insurance companies to ensure it becomes so powerful and too big to fail america will never have universal Healthcare. How much you want to bet dem candidates start calling republicans retarded during the 28 debates and primaries?
>>523235209You are just coping. It’s an intellectual development of Marxist thought. The haves vs have-nots dialectic was reapplied to broader social dynamics like race and gender with the new left. It’s not in the manifesto but it’s a strain of Marxism that seeks to fundamentally deconstruct society in the same way, hence the original point.
>>523234804>naming jews and liberals in american history and how we got therethey are not communists though. They are jews who went to US and started working for CIA which were pushing feminism because having 2x labor means it costs a lot less. In USSR feminism wasn't about driving down labor value and motherhood was part of it, western feminism is entirely capitalist phenomenon only to drive down the value of labor and anti-motherhood. Let me ask you then why all "marxists" in the west are working towards dividing workers and driving down value of their work when it just didn't exist in USSR or any communist country.
>>523229175true. democrats actually are the real racists
>>523234782>Hitler was big gubment democrap?yupFDR was close and personal friend prior to the warHitler got most of his ideas from Wilson, FDR, etc. and Democrats.
>>523235464im not coping, none of the instutions in my country are communists or pro communist, in fact, they are anti-communist and very pro-capitalist but feminism is at it's peak in Lithuania. Explain to me how that we are becoming more capitalist and less communist, we are becoming more feminist and liberal all the time
>>523235625Because economics became a tertiary grievance of the western permutation of Marxism that formed in the post-war period. You can say it’s not communist but your word is no more worthy of consideration than the progenitors of these ideas who did say they were communist. Troons and race-mixing is the legacy of Marx whether you like it or not.
>>523229175why do they hate white people so much?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBYsQE4Pxb4
>>523235977entire spectrum of modern identitarian degeneracy from corporate pride parades to hormone profiteering to the fetishization of diversity, is the fully-realized endpoint of liberal capitalism, not its subversion. You can screech about Marx all you like, but the architects of the post-1960s cultural revolution were not red guards, they were ad-men, HR departments, and multinational conglomerates who discovered that atomized, deracinated, sexually confused consumers buy more shit and ask fewer questions about wages. frankfurt school wished it had this kind of power. capitaists actually have it. troons and race-mixing aren’t the legacy of marx, they are the pinnacle of the markets. whether you like it or not
>>523235471All people mentioned have overwhelmingly Marxist/communist backing or actively worked in such organizations. My question is why you're so averse to accept that communism is a vehicle of Jewish subversion and is the tool of choice in the advancement of their interests.Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin and both operate with the downward pointed concept that production, consumption Etc. are the highest virtues of a society. They are both highly subversive elements which were made God when the clergy/religious class was replaced by the (third estate) economic class. Money and production is God in such a system. Julius Evola has some good essays on this. I'm unsure what your last sentences reference as my studies of Marxism reflect insane devalue of labor due to virtually all non elites being reduced to farmers and all assets seized for redistribution by the state.
>>523229175A great indicator that conservatism is for losers is that they cry and whine that no one likes them or believes in their ideology even when they win and dominate society decisively.
>>523229175On the Right, we believe in: * Creation, micro, not macro evolution.* Manchildren should grow up. Suffering would help.* Women have no rights. They only have privileges given by simps. No women should be allowed in the military, police, or any position of authority.* Sodomy should be recriminalized.* Sodomites should be publicly executed for attempting to seduce children.* The 59% should catch up to the 41%.* Usury, the prime source of Jewish power, is evil.* Race mixing is genocide. It is an attempt to destroy both races. Miscegenation should also be recriminalized.Please stop letting centerist ‘conservatives’ pretend to be us. They are the ideological transvestites.
>>523237086There's no difference between micro and macro except time. And your God is Jewish
