As a single entity they could be as another Finland in the region (with population of over 6 million), instead of being just three small, volunerable countries between Finland and Poland (and Russia).
>>523686268we are culturally closer to Poland than Latvia and Estonia is like a completely different beast all together. Of course lithuanians won't admit this.
>>523686268Last I checked, they don't like each other all that much except to shittalk Russians.
>>523686482O KURWA
>>523686268Estonians are closer to Finn than any other balts. Latvian and Lithuanian, despite both being balt languages are almost completely incomprehensible to one another. Moreover Lithuania is primarily catholic while Latvia is protestant. These 3 countries couldn't be more different if they tried. The only thing which they have in common is the vocal russian minority force planted by the soviets and immence hate for Russia.
>>523686482It's not about culture as much as it's about common interests. German-speaking Swiss cantons are culturally closer to Austria than they are to western and southern parts of Switzerland.
>>523686268casue of gay sex
>>523686268Yea while they are at it, they should rejoin with you pollacks and recreate the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth.
>>523686755what are the common interests? Do you think we could get more pajeets if we federalized? Or would we have a better claim that we are scandinavian vikings?
>>523686268Estonia is already economically part of Finland anyway. Lithuania is their own thing and nobody knows what to do with Latvia. Not even Latvians.
>>523686482lithuania is rightful polish clay as yahweh promised in the torah, poles are the real lithuanians and this is proven by unfalsifiable claims i just made.
>>523686868PLC was created so that we could all defend against Russia, I see your point
>>523686268Hope I see Greater Baltica in my lifetime.
>>523686268why would anyone want to be another Fingolia
>>523687141no, it wasn't. Look up Lithuania's dukes like Algirdas attempts to rule orthodox church and basically be a successor to Kievan Rus. When that failed, his kid goes west and starts merging with Poland. This is also the reason why Lithuania stayed pagan for so long, they wanted to become orthodox but only if they would have been rulers of it. That's how eternal burning seething was born.
>>523687141Yea then you can all warmonger together.
>>523687335you mean the union of Krewo probably, I mean the union of Lublin in 1569
>>523687366well, who is the warmonger here? did we attack anyone in 2014 or 2022?
>>523686980When I see Baltic flag with jeet migration talking point as main issue, I assume common interests of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia doesn't bother you in the slightest.Baltics could create single, cohesive military force to defend themselves against Russia, like Finland does. They could more easly draw investments into bigger country, helping common economy. There are many pros that outweight cons in their situation.
>>523686268.The thing here is that mos of these countries are a different kind of German variety.
>>523687138>poles are the real lithuaniansThat's true akchually
>>523686268And half their population would be Russians. They would sabotage any decision made by the natives. Being separate keeps the Russian minority at a disadvantage. Nobody who declares themselves as Russian should be trusted with EU citizenship.
>>5236875083 little dogs with population of St.Petersburg are no match for Russia, no matter what anime power stance they do.
>>523687756>kacap hubris
Make Estonia and Latvia Livonia again and group them with Nordics. Lithuania is too Catholic and Central European, so they can argue with Poles about PLC.
>>523687508any one baltic country is more than enough to take on russia by itself>>523687756in 3 days
>>523686482elaborate>>523686268the simple answer is that the local elites would not want to give up their political/economical interests which now would be in questionif the EU did not exist, a semi-federation would make sense, but there are already so many areas where a unified policy/decisions could be pursued to the benefit of the populations, but are not
Would Muscowy be better off under Polish rule?
>>523687931Assrapia should just be resource extraction colony
>>523687931Yes. it'll be razed to the ground and salted. >HIV rates = 0>Heroin usage = 0>Anal rape cases = 0>Muslims = 0>Mail order bridges = 0It'll be the most prosperous theyve ever been
>>523687508You assume wrong. All our governments are completely useless on this question and literally nothing else is even half the priority that the propagation of your own nation is.>go fight russia while we create a multikulti hellhole here and erase your ethnic and cultural identity permanentFuck off, idiot. And while you're at it, fuck off from Poland's politics too.
>>523687989>Euroweek hours = infinite
>>523688032A hit dog will holler.
>>523688305What's that supposed to mean?
>>523686268Switzerland federalized as part of a military alliance to drive out the Hapsburgs (and feudal lordship in general)Perhaps fear of Russia could play a similar role here, but all three Baltic states are already in NATO and the EU, so what would a separate pan-Baltic union give them?
>>523687931Unironically yes.However Poland would do worse with Moscovites being part of Polish society and so, having influence on culture, politics and economy. Natural selection that shaped some of Ruthenian people under Mongolian rule is insane.
>>523687508There is no point to any made up union. People already treat the three countries as a package deal. If they deal with countries here, they deal with ''the baltics,'' and when they talk about invading they talk about invading all of it.The countries are part of the EU anyway so it's not like you can't move across the borders or have to make a unified military.All a union would do is make people feel better about their small numbers. I admit I would be pretty happy to see my country triple in size and population just to have a bigger spot on a map. Together we would be the size of Florida.
>>523688390That you are fucking kacap.
>>523686268I don't like Latvians, the ones that come here for work are swarthy and their government seems to hate as well
>>523688536Polacks are fucking vile. While cosplaying nomads themselves (sarmatism), they made an alliance with mongols in the past to not let us break free. The level of polish jewery is infinite.
>>523686482:"culture" is not a thing anymore, you are culturally 4chan.
>>523686268Lithuinians unonised with us and it was start of their golden age but now we wuz kanga nationalists actually see it as a bad thing so they're alergic to the idea
>>523686268Latvia and Lithuania sure. Estonia needs to be annexed by Finland. I used to live there and they are not compatible with the actual Baltic people.
>>523688674Oh the etarnal mutt... oh wait it is russian, apparently hteir education sucks as much as US one.Sarmatians were not nomads, they were farmers. Scythians were nomads. You uneducated retard.And Poland never did any alliance with mongols. It was Novogrod which actually created Russia. You are not Rutheans and not Kievians. You are literally and historically mongol rape babies and traitors.
>>523688674>ITS DA PSHEKS!!!nuclear levels of ruskie butthurt kek
>>523688627>swarthyReally? When I was there, they looked like typical Germans.
>>523688674>Allying with MongolsCorrrrr, you're playing this card?>Polish JewryLets see the early life sections of your oligarch ruling caste.
>>523688824maybe its the ones that come here to work
>>523688674Russians are vile. Always going on about who the fuck knows what that happened 1000 years ago.>they made an alliance with mongolsWho is ''they?'' Mongols? What is this, 1200? Who is alive from back then? Are the people living in Poland even genetically related to the people who wronged you 800 years ago? Are you even genetically related to those ''russians?''This is the kind of shit you have to deal with from Russians. Ancient grudges over who knows what.Meanwhile people who actually lived under russian oppression just go on with their lives and don't have any grudge because Stalin is dead already.Russians are nuts. You think you are dealing with a normal person, just engaging in the present day while the Russian is silently fuming and plotting his revenge because the Hyirks in 159 BC threw rocks at the Flurbs the Khgrhgs region, therefore you will get an ice pick in the back of your head.
>>523688584>People already treat the three countries as a package deal.There are small things that could make the difference in most critical moments. E.g. there is German military contingent in Lithuania - what will those Germans do if Latvia is invaded, just on the other side of official state border?Kremlin plays of these small divides, making entire region less safe.
>>523688880I hear Tallinn has gotten really dark. Tell me that’s not true. It was a wonderland during the 2 years I lived there. I remember only 1 black guy in the entire city. He worked at Hesburger cleaning tables
>>523688786>Poland never did any alliance with mongolsCasimir IV allied with Akhmat to not let us break away, but was raided by Ottoman vassals and did't get to battle in time.
>>523688596Really? That's your whole fucking argument? Absolute fucking cretin.Let me explain something to you. We were occupied by the Russians or someone else for hundreds of years, and our ethnic iand cultural identity remained in basically the same borders for a thousand years. Our population was actually growing in the USSR times. One generation of neoliberalism and we lost a quarter of the population and are on the fast track to import as many brown people, proportionally, as the UK and Germany did in half the time. What do you think is at the end of this little experiment? Do you think England has any real chance of being English in 100 years?
>>523688909>Who is alive from back then? Are the people living in Poland even genetically related to the people who wronged you 800 years ago? Are you even genetically related to those ''russians?''>This is the kind of shit you have to deal with from Russians. Ancient grudges over who knows what.The argument is the logical continuation of accusation of us being shaped by mongols. Apparently, it's ok to besmirch us in every vile way, scrambling the depths of history. But when we do the same, we are to blame as well. Fuck you.
>>523688456In principle they should. Especially after what's happening in ukraine. But it would also meant sharing power which all 3 states now have ruling establishment and they don't want or allowed that to happen. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fTXoRCQryY8 - nobody wants this but people lin power will let that happen because what I learned late in life it's not about common good. It's all tribal politics where each group just try to screw the other.
>>523686268Catholic Lithuania don’t mind bullying for gay relationships. So that’s a miss for me.
>>523686482>Of course lithuanians won't admit this Yeah cause its not true kek. Its so obv you are a pol larping as a lithuanian
>>523689065Shut your stupid ass, you tatar mongol yoke, you lost the war and will pay reparations.
>>523688959last time I visited the main city whcih was 5 or so years ago I saw tons of indians and blacks
>>523688987Don't worry. Some Poles are just plain stupid and blind to reality
>>523688970Akhmat wasn't mongolian uneducated idiot but Tatar.And no Casimir IV Jagiellonian never cooperated with Akhmat and never was part of the Ugra River battle. If he would cooperate with them you would lose it.And by wiki according to historian (Russian while at it) Favereau & Pochekaev from 2023 from the book "The Golden Horde">He (Akhmat) sought an alliance with the Polish and Lithuanian ruler Casimir IV so that he could launch a campaign against the Ottomans, but after Casimir IV refused to ally with him, Ahmed Khan was forced to negotiate with the Ottoman ruler, Mehmet II.So again thank you from proof that you are uneducated imbecile and that history they teach you at school is pure bullshit.
>his entire "country" is made out of less than 3 million people
>>523689247https://claylane.uk/copybook/?title=the-great-stand-at-the-river-ugra
>>523687215>bug people
>>523689065Case in point. These people are nuts. This is what we have to deal with. They fight some imaginary demons from thousands of years ago, we have to deal with them right now acting like this.>FUCK YOU CYKA I KIL YOU!!! 1200 YEARS AGO THE NEOMONGOL GREEKS INSULTED THE KIEVIANS FUCK YOUUUU, YOU BLODY BICH BASTERD BESMERCH OUR GOOD NAME
>>523688674>(sarmatism)I see this talking point used by less educated Russians.Jesuit schools that educated these people considered sarmats as a replacement term for Slavs. Their ideas about their origin were their version of Migration Period. Give them a fucking break, would you? Their ideas are still more historically accurate to bunch of nonsense that is in Russian historical textbooks (that were completely re-written at least twice in last 3 decades).If szlachta didn't consider themselves Polish, they wouldn't speak Polish in the first place. They would larp as some other Asian people - something that Hungarians were doing for centuries.
>>523689321Wouldn't surprise me if they ate bugs down there.
>>523689231We broke them and we will break you.
>>523688987But don't call Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth an occupation. We elected your guys to be our kings. Your nobility was richer and more powerful than ours
>>523689376Kek, you're throwing all your men at a wall of Ukrainians and haven't even reached the Dnipro yet. It's pitiful.Keep on fighting, I say. It's a win-win.
>>523686718Latvia is mostly German clay.
>>523689355They liked Latin though. We see the memoirs of Jan Chryzostom Pasek from 17th century written half Polish, half Latin
>>523689376>We broke themtwo more weeks, and the it's a straight three-days-to -keeeiiifff
>>523688987>Let me explain something to you. We were occupied by the Russians or someone else for hundreds of years,And you will be again with that attitude. Nothing attracts Russian invasion more than local population that is ok with it.
>>523689376Putin already broke you, literally and metaphorically
>>523689316Lol. Yes we had non-agression pact which noone knows why is written as alliance. Which is not the same as military support. As lithuanian forces (as the pact was only lithuanian) never ever supported Akhmat in any war. If they did you would never gain independence.But to know that you need to read more than just the title and brief.Unless you also recognize Wladysław Waza as a Tsar of Russia because on the paper he was already crowned by 7 boyars. But it never ended up being reality. This is exactly the same case how "alliance of Poles (not even Poles because it was purely Lithuanian Alliance) with Akhmat" worked. Some papers were signed and nothing was done.
>>523689507Ancient Sarmats weren't very Latin, were they?
>>523689336Ok, that's fair point. I can concede to that.
>>523687506You have nothing to do with that though. You aren't Ukrainian, so either go fight or stfu. You poles have been brainwashed into trying to instigate a larger war with Russia for IDK what fucking reason. And we can argue about the start of the war in Ukraine, but don't act like it was just an out of the blue invasion.And look at the other EU countries. They are getting destroyed in a much worse way through immigration than by actual warfare.
>>523689316>>523689584You even have in your link under the text:>In the event, Casimir never came to Akhmat’s aid
>>523686268Actually Estonia should join Finland
>>523689744I told you why he didn't. He was attacked by Crimean Khanate.
>>523689761Mawds ban this guy like hawnestly. Piemp.
>>523689646Thanks. If you are going to seethe, then do it about things that happened in your lifetime involving people who are alive today. You have a war in Ukraine right now. It's not like there isn't enough bad blood today.
>>523689604No, but still it is a big distinction between nobles and peasants. Best Polish poet of this era Maciej Kazimierz Sarbiewski didn't bother with writing in Polish, only Latin. The peasants didn't speak Latin
>>523686268Maybe because, they don't even like each other
>>523689833Allright redneck, wellcome to banworld buddy
>>523689686I don't think I was brainwashed. Russia has been fighting us for centuries for its dominance in Eastern Europe. We see what is happening now as just another event in this story. Of course I know about Ukrainian nazis and what they did was provoking Russia to invade. The EU countries are indeed being destroyed, but we can't do much about it other than defending ourselves.
>>523689814So Casimir never aided Akhmat.So where is there yours "It was Poles who subjugated Russians with "mongolians" (who were in fact tatars)"? When you just admit he never aided Akhmat and the alliance was just on the paper (like many other alliances through history)?
>>523689565I asked you a question. What do you think the UK looks like in 100 question. Where do you think your short sighted screeching leads, exactly?
>>523689991Who hurt you?
>>523690008My point is that he tried, but failed. But intention matters.
>>523689814And to add to that Muscovy was allied with Crimean Khanate who were vasals to Ottoman Empire themselves.
>>523690037>Do you think England has any real chance of being English in 100 years?Russia will genocide you and flood your land with churkas like they did in Mariupol and you're worring about being like England? Are you fucking nuts?
>>523690120Intentions ended up with Alexander Jagiellon from Lithuania marrying Helen of Moscow for peace. And the peace was broken by Ivan III of Moscow who attacked Alexander while allied with Crimean Khanate.And again this whole thing you are talking about was purely Lithuanian history. Casimir was king of Poland and Lithuania but with all squabble in the east he acted only as Lithuanian regent.
>>523690061Your grandfather
In my eyes, Lithuania, Estonia, and Latvia look like young girls, all wearing short skirts and tight crop tops, huddled together closely for warmth, scared for their safety, at 4 am Saturday early morning after a night out at the club, surrounded by tall brute muscular men (Russia, Finland) who just want a taste of their pink pussies, and a bunch of beta male simps trying to protect them (Poland, Germany, Cuckraine, etc.). In the end, everyone, the beta simps as well as the Chads, I repeat, everyone wants to enjoyably fuck and finger the 3 sexy Baltic sisters. It's just their approach for doing so is different. Russia openly says "hey baby gurl, come suk ma dik bitch".While the beta simp countries say "miladies, I will defend your honor and lay my life down fighting for you".>>523686482>>523686584>>523686626>>523686718>>523686755
>>523690243Why are you refusing to answer the question? I'm worrying about England because I live in Vilnius and I see what happened in London. A Russian invasion may or may not happen, but the demographic replacement is very real and going on very fast.
>>523690415>A Russian invasion may or may not happenIt will very much happen if you tell them you're pro-Russian retard, who want's to be liberalized from evil globohomo.
>>523690533how about we both get liberalized from Russia and from Western immigration lunacy at the same time?
>>523690401Jeet pedophile can't stop thinking about little girls and rape.
>>523690697That's exactly how a scared little 19 yr old gurl would talk.Want to smell my geopolitical dick baby?
>>523690533I really don't think it has anything to do with the actions of anyone outside of Russia>make pro-Russian statementsSEEE??? THEY WANT TO JOIN RUSSIA! WE MUST INVADE AND LIBERATE THEM>make anti-Russian statementsTHEY ARE HECKIN' OPPRESSING US! WE MUST ATTACK THEM IN SELF DEFENSEYou can't win with Russians. The only thing stopping an invasion is other invasions and cold war style conflict.To me it seems like Ukraine got invaded because Russia got done with conflict in Syria. When the Ukraine war is done they will either invade another country or they will have some proxy war in the middle east.They most likely have all sorts of deals that demand them to be at constant war so some weapon manufacturer can keep making weapons and fuel the economy.
>>523690533>It will very much happen if you tell them you're pro-Russian retardThis only happened in your own head. Amd once again, failed to answer a very basic question. All right, I'll do it for you.I believe England is already lost. They are 75% of the population now and they reproduce by far the least in their own country. AT BEST, in 100 years the English will be like 40% of the country, and maybe just over 50% will be white.Same is happening here, except like I said it's even faster. We started importing insane numbers of people since COVID, and I'm not seeing any political movement to stop or reverse anything. We had some minor legislation that people in the service sector should be able to speak Lithuanian introduced last year, and it is already being walked back on.So, roughly speaking here, in 50 years we are on track to becoming a minority in our country. Why the fuck would I go fight and die against a country that is 50 times as large and populous, so that Ranjeet can enjoy the apple from the tree growing out of my corpse? Wake the fuck up, moron.
>>523688695>>523690401ROFL Have we all lost it? /pol is particularly funny this morning. Like everyone just finnally said fuck it, and today was the day. Mask off, show em our power levels type funny. I love it. Keep it goin.
>>523690401nigger?
>>523691135And at the same time the cptchas just switched over to easy mode. Easiest captchs in the 10+ years Ive been here. Anyone else getting these easy ones?
>>523691195>And at the same time the cptchas just switched over to easy mode. Easiest captchs in the 10+ years Ive been here. Anyone else getting these easy ones?yes, it was a hell if you were on phone.
>>523691195They made them easier because people were complaining the posts are too good and not enough Indians are posting.Now they are easier so pajeets can talk about raping little girls because at the moment there is a big push to fight antisemitism.
>>523691195Like what the fuck? Feels like I should leave. If the captchas are this easy, they must want to keep us contained right now. See the flow, do the opposite.
>>5236912904chan is owned by feds. Just look at the timing of this change. Shooting in Australia targeting jews used as a justification to go after ''antisemites'' with US politicians openly talking about how they will kill antisemites./pol/ was talking about how the shooting is a false flag, time to shut it down, activate the pajeets
>>523691270LOL, thank you for that. This is that sarcy funny Im talking about. 10/10
>>523690863>You can't win with Russians.If Ukraine did what Balts did (making joining western military and economic structures as main political goal during 1990s, taking voting rights from Russian population, etc.) would it be invaded by Russia? I think Russia would flex it's imperial muscle somewhere else - Causcasus or Central Asia or something.Russian identity (Ruski mir or whatever it's called by now) is cancerous. It corrupts wherever it can, but it's also self-destructive in long term. Putting yourself as farther as possible on Russian hit list gives you a chance Russia will collapse before it gets you. Yes, it will get back again on it's feets like it did in 1920s or 1990s, but it will be weaker with whole new hit list of smaller targets.That's why fuck Russia seems to be right strategy in dealing with Russia.
>>523687215>in their wildest dreams poles or balts dont have kalingrad regionWhy are you like this?
>>523690120So where did you go?>>523690259It ended up with fact that Poles(nor Lithuanians) did not fight alongside Akhmat against Russia (Muscovy) and later that it was Muscovy and Ivan III who broke the peace with Poland by attacking it alongside Crimean Khanate.
>>523691585You haven't seen my drawrings of GREATER POLSKA, Teemu.
>>523691051>WHATABOUT ENGLAND?Stfu already. You're ridiculous.
>>523691579Baltics have always been closer to Europe than Ukraine. It was way easier to get into the EU.Ukraine has a problem with being Russia-light. When Latvia was occupied by Russia in most cases it was not Russians killing our people and oppressing us, it was the Ukrainians working as goons for Russia.I have never in my life seen Ukraine as part of Europe or seen people express that kind of sentiment until these wars started and they switched to supporting Ukraine.I don't think Ukraine had any chance to join the EU or NATO until they were invaded. Only when they were invaded people seriously considered Ukraine to be a different country separate from Russia. If this doesn't make sense to you, just look at Belarus. Should Belarus be in the EU? Should Belarus be in NATO to avoid being invaded by Russia? That's how most people saw Ukraine.The main reason EU exists in the first place was protection against Russia. Letting in Ukraine to most people would feel like letting a double agent join.
>>523691884I'm telling you it's happening everywhere. Shall we look at Spanish or French demographics?See, that's the difference. I'm talking about something that's actually happening, meanwhile instead of at least addressing it, you're engaged in paranoid delusions. But you go ahead, I've said my piece.
>>523686268All smaller European countries should unite with bigger ones.
>>523686482TRVKE
>>523689205How can that be? Didn’t Poland and Lithuania used to be one country??https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth
>>523691987The bigger nations of>Basque Country>Albania>Dagestan
>>523691987wtf is this? Go back to the original. Easier that way
>>523692320They were and they are still close. Somewhere along the way Poland developed a really bad reputation so Lithuanians want to distance themselves from Poland. It has improved somewhat and people are less ashamed of any Polish connections now.
>>523691944>Baltics have always been closer to Europe than Ukraine. It was way easier to get into the EU.That's your optic.From western perspective Balts were as cutted off from NATO/EU as Ukraine was (with Poland in the middle).From Russian perspective Baltic states are as strategically significant as Ukraine (maybe even more, as there is St Petersburg right next to them).What mattered in most critical time (when Russia was weak in 1990s) were political decissions of leadership of Baltic states, that reflected mindset of their people (at least not Russian ones). Ukrainians screwed that up, with trying to balance between west and east.There were many times when this mindset was important - e.g. in early 1990s Russians tried using Poles in Vilinus to create an entity simliar to Transnistria. If Poles and Lithuanians took that bait, Lithuania would as weak and fragmented as Moldova. They didn't because they were more politically sentient than Ukrainians or Moldovans. Currently Ukrainians are learning this stuff hard way.
>>523686268They're already in the EU, what's the point? The entire EU would sooner federalize.
>>523692799The difference in mindset is that baltics put up a fight to get out of the soviet union. They fought with no weapons, armed with only rocks and wood. They barricaded cities and formed human links across the three countries. With no weapons to fight them with, they decided to fight with cringe songs. People died trying to secure independence.Ukraine just voted to leave and they were let go. No one died.The way I see it Ukraine was no different than Belarus. Technically not part of Russia but in all practical sense just Russian territory. This only changed after decades of US meddling. Both Russians and Americans were trying to rig elections and the American intelligence won.
>>523686268We practically are in all aspects but united governance.
>>523693456>The way I see it Ukraine was no different than Belarus. Technically not part of Russia but in all practical sense just Russian territory.Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians are all different. Even Soviets knew this and that's why Belarusian SR and Ukrainian SR were separate (even more than than Baltics - they were separate under UN).Belarusians are like Orthodox Slovaks. Very disciplined and competent but politically passive (something post-soviet politicians took advantage of).Ukrainians are very anti-authoritarian (like Poles) which is opposite to servile attitude of Russians. However when Poles have long tradition of keeping their common interests above their private goals (lit. commonwealth - rzecz pospolita) by themselves, withouth strong grip of authority, Ukrainians are just learning that.Russians don't even want to be like that because they like strong grip of authority.If only Polish szlachta agreed Ukrainian kossacks to be treated as 3rd equal part of Rzeczpospolita (as Lithuanians and Poles), like they wanted, Ukraine would be very different. But it is what it is and we can't change history. Only learn from it.
