Well? Explain why this man shouldn't get all the profit when he does all the work?
>>524077173>man takes all of the profit>no more widgets being made
>>524077173the machine makes them, you just operate it
>>524077173Because machines do most the work for him and he doesn't own the machines.
>>524077173Hmm, maybe he should start his own business doing it. Unless, of course, he's lacking the expensive production machinery, the networking, the transportation infrastructure, the legal expertise, or the workforce required to do it all himself.
The $500k machine does all the work
>>524077173how many does he have to make to pay for the cost of the machine that makes them
It also takes 3000 of them an hour to make 3000 of them an hour and pay for the operation which makes 3000 an hour. One fucking dude cannot run the entire operation. Or maybe he can. But he wont make 3000 widgets in an hour doing so. Or at the very least not nearly as often. Communists are so fucking stupid.
Imagine destroying the machine. And then asking for a raise.
>>524077173It is a fallacy, at the beginning of Marx's Capital, to put an equal sign between linen and coats, just as much as 3 widgets and 3000 widgets.>this guy built the facility / machines / brought in supplies, where he is working??>this guy organized the financial system that deposits his money from payroll??>this guy defended his nation from criminals who would destroy and loot the business he's working at / his home??there are infinite things we take for granted, all marxist movements are satanic in getting useless idiots to do just that: take all the productive people for granted.All jobs are welfare. You deserve death and taxes.
>>524077173why doesnt he make them himself at home and market and sell them?i got a friend who's a plumber for 20 years always whining his boss doesnt pay him enoughand i go "why the fuck do you have a boss? why arent you fixing toilets and charging 500 bucks and keeping it all yourself?"and he goes "pfffftt too much work to run a business"as if the office staff who actually run the business part of the business shouldnt be paid for the "too much work part"
>>524077284>Jews get favourable intrest rates for loans>Jewish nepotism disguised as "networking"Yeah anon why doesnt he just start his own buisness with his own money from his low paid job.Not a communist btw, in a normal society the things you listed would be true, but we live in a society of usury and thus what you said simply doesnt work.The winners in our society are preselected.
>>524077425Marxism is just a dogmatic ideology that weaponizes the poor and the stupid through jealousy in order to leverage them to overthrow the people in power
Why does a machine cost $500k? Because it makes 3000 widgets per hour? Who decided that?
>>524077503Obviously because without the boss and company, assets of said company, he can make zero of them every hour, he could make zero in a week.
>>524077284Why is the right wing such boot lickers. Why are they like this? Why do they simp for billionaires? Why do they want working class people to stay poor. Why?
>>524077531You're retarded, and should not be allowed to vote. Market values are not arbitrarily decided, and even when they are, the market will pay what it feels the item is worth. >but that doesn't make sense!Please do not vote.
>>524077531>American EducationTypical communist brainwashing.It costs that much because they can make a profit but will still be competitive enough to sell their machines over a different company. If it could be done cheaper it would.
>>524077558If we didnt have usury it would be realistic for him to start his own buisness and outcompete his previous kike employeer.But he will get unfavourable intrest rates compared to the jews, he will not be included in their nepotistic network
>when the bait has been posted so many times its starting to display generational degradation like an analog video tape
>>524077601Money is not real anon; right wing prioritized looking forward and perseverence, you faggots keep trying to destroy the world for no reason. Millennials especially had everything handed to them.If you want to destroy people, give them everything they want.The objective right now is sovereignty. If you don't have friends or family, you are basically dead.
>>524077601Because they have been indoctrinated into a death cult. Whose culture is to literally work yourself to death.
>>524077173>Explain why this man shouldn't get all the profit when he does all the work?>All the profitDoes he own the machines that made the product? Does he own the factory they were mad in? Did he buy the materials to produce the product? Did he pay for the electricity? Did he pay the taxes on the business? Did he package the product? Did he deliver the product? Did he market the product? Did he own the store that sold the product?
>>524077633>>524077643Do you have a source for that?>inb4 I just made I the fuck up
>>524077785Take an economics class, dumbass.
>>524077601You people honestly dont deserve to breathe.
>>524077829>>524077785
>>524077829You clearly have no idea how economics works. Yet here you being the arbiter of economics In a 4chan thread on /pol/. Idiot.
>>524077173Hes running the 400k+ machine and 500k+ mold that takes hundreds of dollars in utilities an hour. His job is to clear jams out of the machine, he didnt start the business or put up any capital.
If he makes 3000 per hour then why don't just make as many as he need and stop there?
>>524077783>Does he own or is a friend of the banks that dictate monitary policy and decide who wins in the economy with favourable ratesNo and thats why he has no chance to own the machines or the factory
sounds like the machine is doing all the work, he's phone posting to reddit.
>>524077945>market economics is beyond my scope but everyone else is wrong and dumb!I've changed my mind. Don't take an economics class. Rope at the nearest convenience.
>>524077728>Because they have been indoctrinated into a death cult. Whose culture is to literally work yourself to death.As opposed to your death cult where we arbitrarily shoot people because of the writings of a couch surfing degenerate in the 1840s. Whose culture is also work yourself to death.
>>524078030>>524078033The same mistake. Just like your fathers...
>>524077945Youre an absolute moron, I advise you to go make a thread on /biz/ mocking me and that other guy for not understanding economics, and be sure to demand a source for supply and demand existing as a concept. This is literally the first lesson you learn.
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>>524077906They don't care. For them it's a simple as making everyone else as miserable as them. Even when you prove there's not enough wealth to redistribute, they still want to make the ultra wealthy poor just like them out of spite.
>>524077284>>524077284>maybe he should start his own business doing itHow about I just take your business and run it publicly for the people instead.>Unless, of course, he's lacking the expensive production machinery, the networking, the transportation infrastructure, the legal expertise, or the workforce required to do it all himself.Wealth was historically accumulated and converted to one's use by force. There's a good chance that any large inheritance only exists because of some iniquity conducted by those accumulating bequeathing it.
>>524078033lmao "I'm the one forcing these people to make 3000 widgets an hour at gunpoint. Why shouldn't I get all the profit?"
>>524078091How much money in time has this "absolute moron" cost you, anon?
>>524078087>The same mistake.What mistake is that? Say something of substance. >...Oh, you're just an insufferable faggot. Carry on.
>>524078111Crabs in a bucket. Kulaks have more than just beans to eat, kill the kulaks. Everyone must eat beans. Communism. Can smell these parasites 88 miles away.
>>524077173Try making one by hand without any tools and let's see how long making one takes.
>>524078154>what if we just took their shit?The golden age of piracy was in the 1400's, you're about 600 years too late
>>524078244The kulaks are starving? Bullshit. They're hiding the grain. Take more. Kill them if they refuse.>20 years laterWHY ARE THEY FIGHTING ALONGSIDE THE GERMANS AGAINST US!?
>>524077601>Why is the right wing such boot lickers. Why are they like this? Why do they simp for billionaires? Why do they want working class people to stay poor. Why?alright then, go make your own plastic hole thingy company
All this time spent here and you could all have made 3000 widgets for 3 widgets an hour.
>>524077523The climb from loser to winner is very hard, but some accomplish it.
>>524078283The Somalis are still in the 1400's, even the ones in Minneapolis and Ohio. And they take full advantage.
>>524078347Save a widget an hour, and buy your own fucking widget machine.
>>524078154Ok, let me use my vast wealth to have a private force fight you back.
>>524077173Is this fag in China as a slave? He's paid so poorly he can only afford three pieces of useless plastic?
>>524078006I'm completely in favor of making it easier for the working class to save money. I don't think the working class should be paying any taxes, not income tax, property tax, capital gains tax, sales tax, nothing. They should get to keep all their money.Then you can use that money to invest and build and if you do well maybe you'll end up owning a factory. Or you'll lose your shirt and end up broke, that's why .capital deserves a share of the profits along with labor because they're taking a risk.
>>524078366Preselected house niggers do yes. Sorry I should use the politically approved terms like ceos and celebritys.
>>524077173If he does all the work he can start his own company, what is he waiting for?
>>524078508I'm perfectly content with the work I already do. I don't need to chase some arbitrary number for some vain sense of self worth.Perhaps, one day, maybe around about your 5th Widget Machine, you will be too.
>>524077173> when he does all the work?Did he buy the machine from his money?Does he pay the rent for the hall it stands in?Does he pay the power the machine consumes?Does he pay the maintenance of the machine?Does he pay the marketing and distribution of the product?Does he do all the management this requires?Nope. All he does is operate a machine that does over 99% of the production work.
>>524078154>and run it publicly for the people instead.
>>524077173Everyone on /pol/ should sympathize with this man's expression. It's the same logic as onlyfans whores making millions on pictures of their feet. It's not just about muh economics of labour and muh capital. It's a crushing visceral feeling of how stupid and gay the economy is and that you as a regular man are wasting your life away on meaningless drivel work that pays peanuts to survive.
>>524078743if you were half as clever as you think you are, you would have read the thread before you posted and saw that this has been posted several times already
>>524078626The main problem is usury.You wont fix the issue without banning usury.Then you can let people figure out where they rise or fall to based on compitence, before that its impossible.The root of the issue is the monitary system
>>524077173he didn't do all the work. making them is not all the work.
>>524078833You, as a Brit should know better than anyone else, than obedience and compliance are far more valuable than competence
So did God do all the work when he created the feet on those OnlyFans girls? A noble cause for these young women to spread his art. (As they spread their toes). Only feetchads will understand this post.
>>524078703Well then shut the fuck up, and go back to work, retard.
>>524077173What would he even do with them?
>>524079040when you enjoy a girl's feet on social media, you should have to donate to her parents (they did all the work) or the church (God did all the work)
>>524079041This is a thread, anon. No one here is talking. But your demand has been logged and is currently being investigatd. Thank you.
>>524079012I know what the system values. Unthinking submissive slaves, even the successful are nothing but house niggers that master lets stay in the house as long as they do exactly as commanded.But it is obvioisly not good.
>>524077173What the fuck are those things?
>>524077173>i make 3000 of them every hourwith your hands???
>>524077523Jew gets free money. You cant even buy land to put the machine on. Jew lobbies for 1000 loicence and permits so $20000 machine becomes $500000 with land permits inspections etc.Good luck goy.
>>524078366Not if they still have 30-50% of their income stolen by jews they're not. It doesn't matter how rich you are, if you live under a system where jews get to steal 30-50% of your income you're a loser whether you like it or not.
What is the cost in raw materials of the Widget Machine and a single Widget?
>muh labour theory of value>a human doing work imbues a product with value because... it just does ok!!! and no, the exact same product made by a machine is not as valuable even though it provides the same use-value to the user because... because... muh social relationsHonestly I want to believe it but it just doesn't make sense unless believe humans possess a metaphysical ability to imbue value into objects.
>>524077173Brilliant. He should start his own business and set his own salary
I think the argument here is that the laborer should get a larger share of the profit than .1%.
>>524078366Boomers like you are going to be eaten by niggers.
>>524078154You are so fucking stupid and gay> How about I just take your business and run it publicly for the people instead.Sure thing söycomrade. Which one are you from pic related
>>524077425>getting useless idiots to do just that: take all the productive people for granted.The productive people are the ones who would benefit from marxism. The business owner is not productive.>>524077525>the people in powerYou mean jews? Sounds based then.
>>524077716Your bait is bad. Total liberatarian death either way.
>>524079313>Blackmailed by mossad>Will lose their buisness and access to banking if they challenge the narratives>Preselected and groomed for the house slave positionYes they are losersThe successful are just house niggers.
>>524077173Because the ruling class owns your politicians that make the laws and the judges that interpret those which govern the nation/Empire you live in.
>>524079431And yet the, so called, radical right here would have us believe anything more is the equivalent to being a communist. That the value of it is, 1:1000, because whoever owns the machine says so. And to even dare to question this means you must "rope yourself" or "take a class in economics".Curious, isn't it?
>>524077173Does he shit them out of his ass? "I make them" lmao. Did he pay for the machines? Does he pay for the facility he's at? Did he pay for the material cost and their transport? Oh woops...
>i've never run a business, and i don't understand basic economics, but i should be allowed to take the entire factory for myself because reeeee billionaires
>>524077601Americans have no understanding of equality. They were born and raised in hyper capitalism. They are brainwashed to think rich people are better than them.
>>524077173Did he buy the machines?did he negotiate the sales contracts?I hope the first thing AI does when it becomes sentient is genocide the socialists
>>524077531"Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it" - Adam Smith, early American economistIt costs $500k because that's what people will pay for it. If they were only willing to pay $200k for it, it would cost (and be worth) $200k.You're retarded. If you can make one of those machines for less than $500k, go do that, sell it for a profit, and make more, put the current guys making those machines out of business overnight. What's that? You can't make them for less than $500k?Then shut the fuck up.
>>524080157It costs X because certain people can get favourable loan rates that others dont have access to, allowing the price to be inflated past anyone elses ability to purchase it.
>>524080157So if you had a Widget Machine that makes 3000 Widgets per hour. Would you too tell people that the Widget Machine is worth some arbitrary amount, like half a million dollars? After all, people are willing to work/operate it for just 3 Widgets an hour. And only 5 guys in the entire world have a Widget Machine.If only the bank would give you a loan for a $500k Widget Machine!!!
>>524077173He doesn't make them at all though. He plays a small part in operating a machine involved in the process. There are dozens on not hundreds of other people involved in the process from obtaining the raw materials to the finished product, each of which gets a small cut of the revenue.
>>524079858A retard could run a buissness if jewish goverment didnt actively prevent you from doing it. Retarded argument.
>>524080385That's a separate issue from the manufacturing, distribution, and sale of capital assets. The widget maker doesn't care where the capital comes from, only that he can get the capital>>524080668I would see what other widget makers are selling them for, and sell them for slightly less while still making a profit. If I cannot do so, I'm in the wrong fucking business.
>>524080713>a small part in itExcuse me, Charlie, but that's no way to talk to the Oompa Loompas who help operate this factory...
>>524080993>That's a separate issueIts not.Because he cannot be a factory owner without a jew approved loan and being a goy he will get worse rates than kikes.If you and kike both buy that 500k machine and hes paying 1% intrest and you're paying 6% then you will not be able to compete with the jews buisness because your loan repayments would dicatate that you had to price your product higher just to pay off the same machine.
>>524080993There is only one Widget Machine sale. Plus, they are one of a kind. Custom-made, if you will. Despite the commerical marketing claims. Only 5 people own them, and they have only ever sold the 1 to themselves. All the retired Widget Machines are decommissioned and on display in their Main Office Building.
>>524080105With what did he buy machines?How is that produced and distributed?>crickets
>>524078828Can't be posted often enough because socialists are learning-disabled.
Okay OP, I want to do the work. Tell me what I need to make 3000 of them hourly and how I sell them.
>>524081381good response, I apologize for criticizing your wit earlier because this is pretty funny
>>524081398I know a guy in China. I apparently got ahold of the inject molds for the Widgets. Apparently he sells them only to specific clients. All he does is change the materials, they're actually cheaper this way too. But still just a reliable as the ones from Widgetcon.
>>524077265>>524077269A perfect example of how technology enriches the rich, and a good explanation of how productivity has risen but wages haven't kept up.Techno-Feudalism soon, lads.
>>524080157Nowadays everything is worth whatever the Jewish central bankers will print and loan you to purchase it.
>1 post by this ID>image reposted hundreds of timesthese threads should be deleted.
>>524077173The fuck are those and why would he want to buy them?To use them as cock rings?
>>524078529Go ahead. Mercenaries will sure be loyal to rich retard. Lol you will end up like rich china vs poor gengis khan.All you have is lies and propaganda. Without that you are dead.
