i'm not from America. is it not really fucking weird that most white people in your country worship a non white jewish man from the middle east as a god? and in fact many people on the right believe that worshipping this man is key to saving the west? what's going on here?
>>526245529Paki
>>526245529Most white people are actually not religious, protestants and catholics make up about 15% each. You europoors are stuck in 1990s i swear. We also have under a 50% circumcision rate now
4 billion people on the planet believe that their savior came from the ME.
>>526245529Did you come to the UK by boat, if you're saying this?
>>526245529>>526245721>>526245733I love how Jesus makes everyone so butthurt and angry even after 2,000 years. I lol every day.Btw, Pope Benedict may be about to be ebatified for working a miracle (curing cancer in some dead man walking who's now a very alive priest) in 2012 or so. The Vatican is always super picky about mriacles tho. Praise Jesus.
>>526245804>muh based orthodox christianity you're a joke lmao, webm is from Russia btw
>>526245529What is find weird is that jesus was jewish but jesus is also god but god is not jewish....
The Middle East was more whiter back then next question abdul
>>526245721>under 50% circumcisionso more brown or jewish hands typed this.
>>526245991>What is find weird is that jesus was jewishThere was no Judaism durign Jesu time, bro. You have been explained this for over 10 years now and you still don't get it.Slowly, I came to hate them.
>>526246130repeating a lie for 10-20-100-1000 years doesn't make it true turkspermSaint Chrysostomos:>The Samaritans worshipped they knew not what, a local, a partial God, as they imagined, of whom they had the same notion that they had of their idols. And therefore they mingled the worship of God with the worship of idols. But the Jews were free from this superstition: indeed they knew God to be the God of the whole world; wherefore He says, We worship what we know. He reckons Himself among the Jews, in condescension to the woman’s idea of Him; and says as if He were a Jewish prophet, We worship, though it is certain that He is the Being who is worshipped by all. The words, For salvation is of the Jews, mean that every thing calculated to save and amend the world, the knowledge of God, the abhorrence of idols, and all other doctrines of that nature, and even the very origin of our religion, comes originally from the Jews. In salvation too He includes His own presence, which He says is of the Jews, as we are told by the Apostle, Of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came. See how He exalts the Old Testament, which He shows to be the root of every thing good; thus proving in every way that He Himself is not opposed to the Law.
>>526246239>repeating a lie for 10-20-100-1000 years doesn't make it true turkspermTrue Turksperm? What? English pls. Also, you apparently misquoted since your quoted text is not about the subject?
>>526246451sorry knowing that your skin is colored like animal feces like most christians I knew I should've written using as much punctuation as possible>since your quoted text is not about the subject?it is, I proved judaism existed as a term and that according to christian saints themselves your religion comes from jewsconsider your self blown the fuck out
>>526245943And this is supposed to prove what exactly?
>>526246687you accept archaic hominids from afreaka as your spiritual leaders, you are so lowly you can't possibly be humiliated even more
>>526246583>sorry knowing that your skin is colored like animal feces like most christians I knew I should've written using as much punctuation as possibleThat's not an answer, just the usual /pol/ bullshit. >it is, I proved judaism existed as a term Which doesn't say anything about the subject. We have been over this for over 10 years, you do not know the diff between Jewish and Judaean, for example. You just repeat your nonsense again and again. >and that according to christian saints themselves your religion comes from jewsWell, duh, the Israelites had everything and threw it all away willingly and malevolently, this is kinda the point. Why God came to them first? because, as Jesus said, the doctor goes to the sick, not to the healthy. But what does that have to do with Jesus allegedly being Jewish? You're mixing up stuff again.>consider your self blown the fuck outLol.
>>526246583Also, btw, post-Soviet takeover, the Orthodox Christianity was and is a KGB front from Soviet times, the same source that claimed Christianity is Jewish. Coincidence, huh? Why are you using exact Communist talking points again? Do your research.
>>526245733That’s still less than half lol, it’s also only because when the previous ice age ended the Middle East was the most fertile place on the planet. The north northern hemisphere is far better now and will be for the next few thousand years.
>>526246891Judaean = jew, see >>526246239concession accepted>Jesus allegedly being Jewishnot allegedly, as my quote of Chrysostomos proves, chistian saints/fathers themselves consider jesus a jew, thus brutally blowing the fuck out of your pitiful e-christian nonsenseanother oneTertullian, against Marcion, book 3 chapter 18>Joseph likewise was a type of Christ, not indeed on this ground (that I may not delay my course ), that he suffered persecution for the cause of God from his brethren, as Christ did from His brethren after the flesh, the Jews
>>526247087>Judaean = jew, see >>526246239That's not what the text is about though.>not allegedly, as my quote of Chrysostomos provesBut it doesn't.>chistian saints/fathers themselves consider jesus a jewBut that's not what yur quoted text says. Aside form that, saints aren't infallible usually and Orthodox sources are sus at best anyway.>thus brutally blowing the fuck out of your pitiful e-christian nonsenseEh, your wild and absurd claims never fail to amuse. >Tertullian, against Marcion, book 3 chapter 18Also doesn't say what you think it does.How very strange. Your reading comprehension seems to be horrible. But then again, it's no surprise, anti-Christians are generally low IQ and uneducated.
>>526245529Is it not weird that your people literally eat shit and drink piss?
>>526247470Not all Brits are from Liverpool tho.
>>526247342>That's not what the text is about though.it is, concession accepted, the term jew is a direct etymological descendant word from judaean which in turn was employed with complete continuity by Greeks Romans and christians to indicate a specific ethnic group and their religion, at no point christians themselves have changed what it meant>But it doesn't.concession accepted, fucking brutal>But that's not what yur quoted text says. Aside form that, saints aren't infallible usually and Orthodox sources are sus at best anyway.it does, quite literally, even subhuman brown animals like christians should be able to read elementary english words, I can't help you beyond that>Also doesn't say what you think it does.another concession acceptedkeep lying and gaslighting as you do, hatred against christian filth on right wing circles must go up
also these are the literal demographics of christianitycan you imagine anything more brown and subhuman than a christian calling you low IQ, a shit colored hominid who barely understands pidgin english questioning a human on ancient Greek, it's hilarious
>>526245733you came from him you fucking billiard
>>526245943holy fuck my church is openly white nat hahahahaOKFG WHAT A FREAK ABOMINATION >>526246130it said king of the Jews on the cross bro
>>526247580>It is, Nope.>concession accepted, None given.>the term jew is a direct etymological descendant word from judaean And not the same. Thanks for agreeing.>which in turn was employed with complete continuity by Greeks Romans and christians to indicate a specific ethnic group and their religion, at no point christians themselves have changed what it meantNor did anyone ever claim they did, but Jews aren't necessarily Judaeans and vice versa, never were and never will be.>concession accepted, fucking brutalSo you're just brazenly lying now? Ok. I guess you really got nothing.>it does, quite literally, Are you drunk?>even subhuman brown animals like christians should be able to read elementary english words, I can't help you beyond thatThe irony here is quite delicious.>another concession acceptedThere is none. You just can't read.>keep lying and gaslighting as you do, hatred against christian filth on right wing circles must go upBtw, Tertullian was seen as a heretic in non-Protestant circles.Right now, you can only quote Protestant and Othodox sources of dubious origin, and claim they say things they don't. The texts are not even about the subject you claim. >>526247694>also these are the literal demographics of christianity>can you imagine anything more brown and subhuman than a christian calling you low IQ, a shit colored hominid who barely understands pidgin english questioning a human on ancient Greek, it's hilariousKinda funny, since the % of atheists or socialists is even more brown. I guess it's a given if you know basic maths and the make up of the world's population, but that is apparently quite too much for people of your intellectual level to even ponder.
Judaism in Jesus' Era: What we call "Judaism" today evolved from ancient Israelite religion, but by the Second Temple period (516 BCE–70 CE), it was fully formed. This included: The Torah (first five books of the Hebrew Bible) as central scripture. Practices like Sabbath observance, kosher laws, temple sacrifices in Jerusalem, and festivals (Passover, etc.). Sects such as Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, and Zealots—all active during Jesus' life. Evidence: The Dead Sea Scrolls (dated 3rd century BCE–1st century CE) show a thriving Jewish scriptural tradition. Philo of Alexandria (20 BCE–50 CE) and Josephus describe Judaism's structure pre- and post-Jesus.
>>526248009>it said king of the Jews on the cross broYes, it was a cruel sarcastic joke to put that there. Pretty weird you take it literally though.
>>526248173But that sarcasm hinges on Jesus being understood as Jewish and claiming (or being accused of claiming) a Jewish title. It doesn't undermine his Jewishness. do you mean to tell me that the Germans can't even understand an old Roman joke all the way that far back what the fuck
>>526248173Is the Jewish prophecy not that the envoy of God was their king? Isn't that why they killed Jesus?
>>526248015>Nope.concession accepted>And not the same. Thanks for agreeing.nope, see >>526246239brutally humiliated>Nor did anyone ever claim they did, but Jews aren't necessarily Judaeans and vice versa, never were and never will be.jew = judaean, see above + multiple quotes by christian demolishing you>There is none. You just can't read.ad hominem after a brutal humiliation, many such cases>Btw, Tertullian was seen as a heretic in non-Protestant circles.completely irrelevant to the point>Kinda funny, since the % of atheists or socialists is even more brownnope, the more colored like anima feces, the more religious, see pic completely obliterating your feces colored christian asspoor christian animal can't stop getting destroyed, I post data, he says "nope", absolutely brutal, poor animal
>>526248163That is not what we call Judaism though, a religion which was created in the early middle ages. Really, guys? Pretty weak all in all. One guy just makes shit up, the other guy can't distinguish between Torah and Talmud.
>son of protties pretends that protties are wholly alien to himlmao faggot
>>526248409Technically he could be a bulb headed nigger
>>526248348you are getting ravaged here, everyone can see it, keep writing nonsense while we quote dictionaries and christian elite thinkers themselves>Again, it is written (Rom 9:5) that Christ is of the Jews according to the flesh, who is over all things>As is related Gen.17, Abraham received from God and at the same time both his name and the commandment of circumcision. For this reason it was customary among the Jews to name children on the very day of circumcision, as though before being circumcised they had not as yet perfect existence: just as now also children receive their names in Baptism. Wherefore on Prov.4:3, I was my father’s son, tender, and as an only son in the sight of my mother, the gloss says: Why does Solomon call himself an only son in the sight of his mother, when Scripture testifies that he had an elder brother of the same mother, unless it be that the latter died unnamed soon after birth?Therefore it was that Christ received His name at the time of His circumcision.>I answer that, It was fitting that Christ’s preaching, whether through Himself or through His apostles, should be directed at first to the Jews alone. First, in order to show that by His coming the promises were fulfilled which had been made to the Jews of old, and not to the Gentiles. Thus the Apostle says (Rom 15:8): I say that Christ...was minister of the circumcision, i.e., the apostle and preacher of the Jews, for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.>although the salvation, which was to come through Christ, was prepared for all nations, yet it was necessary that Christ should be born of one people, which, for this reason, was privileged above other peoples; according to Rm.9:4: To whom, namely the Jews, belongeth the adoption as of children (of God)...and the testament, and the giving of the Law...whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ according to the flesh. - T. Aquinasshit colored christian animals can't stop taking Ls
>>526248348>>526248348>That is not what we call Judaism though, a religion which was created in the early middle ages.>Really, guys? Pretty weak all in all. One guy just makes shit up, the other guy can't distinguish between Torah and Talmud.No, that's a common misconception—Judaism as a religion predates the Middle Ages by over a millennium, rooted in the Torah and Temple practices during Jesus' time. The Talmud (compiled 200–500 CE) built on top of that foundation, but it's not the origin. Let's break it down with sources to clear up Torah vs. Talmud confusion.
Torah as Core: The written Torah (Pentateuch: Genesis–Deuteronomy) was canonized by ~400 BCE (post-Exile). It defined Jewish law, ethics, monotheism, and rituals like circumcision, Passover, and Sabbath— all practiced in Jesus' era. Evidence: Dead Sea Scrolls (250 BCE–68 CE) contain complete Torah texts used by Essenes (a Jewish sect contemporary with Jesus). Jesus quotes Torah directly (e.g., Deuteronomy 6:5 in Matthew 22:37) and attends synagogue readings (Luke 4:16–21).
>>526248347>ChinaThat one isn't accurate, they have a different definition of religion, doesn't mean they aren't religious
>>526248615 Second Temple Judaism: Full religion with Jerusalem Temple sacrifices, priesthood, festivals, and sects (Pharisees emphasized oral law precursors to Talmud). This is "biblical Judaism," not medieval invention. Sources: Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews, ~93 CE) details it; archaeological finds like Temple artifacts and mikvahs (ritual baths) from 1st century CE.Talmud Came Later—It's an Expansion, Not the Start Oral Law to Talmud: Pharisees preserved oral interpretations of Torah (called Oral Torah), written down as Mishnah (~200 CE), then expanded in Gemara to form Talmud (Babylonian ~500 CE, Jerusalem ~400 CE). This codified existing practices but didn't create Judaism. Post-70 CE Temple destruction shifted focus to rabbis and synagogues, evolving into Rabbinic Judaism—but the religion was already there.Retarded dolt couldn't even gayi it
>>526248615Im not a biblical scholar but the dead sea scrolls are sus amogus
>>526248672No, I mean I didn't read his original post, but I'll say this China only allows certain religion
>>526248746No, the authentic Dead Sea Scrolls (discovered 1947–1956 in Qumran caves) are not suspicious—they're among the most rigorously vetted ancient artifacts, dated via paleography, radiocarbon (1990s tests: 250 BCE–68 CE), and archaeology to the Second Temple period. Fringe forgery claims usually confuse them with post-2002 fakes sold on the antiquities market (e.g., Museum of the Bible's debunked fragments, exposed by multispectral imaging showing modern ink and leather). Over 900 manuscripts from the original finds are held by institutions like the Israel Museum, unchallenged by scholars.
These pre-Christian texts (mostly Hebrew Bible, plus sectarian works) transformed biblical scholarship by bridging "Old Testament" gaps—none would hold without them: Textual Stability: Isaiah Scroll (1QIsa^a) matches the Masoretic Text (900s CE) 95%+ word-for-word, proving minimal changes over 1,000 years (e.g., no "inventions" post-Jesus). Torah Observance in Jesus' Time: Every Torah book present, with rules for Sabbath, purity, festivals—direct evidence of full Judaism (not medieval), including proto-Pharisaic practices. Messianic Expectations: Texts like 4Q521 ("God will heal the wounded... raise the dead") echo Gospel miracles, grounding Jesus' Jewish context without Christian influence. Sect Diversity: Essene-like rules confirm Pharisees/oral law precursors existed pre-70 CE, refuting "no Judaism then" myths.
>>526248869You don't think it's odd the Jews find some ancient Jewish texts in a cave in Israel at the same time they're illegally immigrating to Israel and trying to create a country?
If the Dead Sea Scrolls did not exist, **many key insights into ancient Judaism and the development of the Bible would not be believed or known**. Specifically:- **The accuracy of the Hebrew Bible’s transmission** over centuries would be far less certain. The scrolls confirm that biblical texts were copied with **remarkable fidelity** over 1,000 years.- **Textual diversity in early Judaism** would be underestimated. The scrolls reveal **multiple versions of biblical books**, showing that the Bible was not a fixed text in antiquity.- **The existence of non-canonical and apocryphal books in Hebrew** (like *Book of Enoch* or *Jubilees*) would be doubted, as these were only known in translation before the scrolls.- **The beliefs of Jewish sects like the Essenes**—their apocalyptic views, communal lifestyle, and strict purity laws—would be poorly understood or dismissed as exaggerations.- **The historical context of early Christianity** would be less clear. The scrolls illuminate the **religious world in which Jesus lived**, including messianic expectations and scriptural interpretation.In short, without the scrolls, **the diversity, complexity, and continuity of Second Temple Judaism** would be far less credible to modern scholars.I love this website. now I'm going to hunt to disprove the fucking stupid ass Dead Sea scrolls
Unfortunately, I can't respond anymore, 4chan claims my post is spam. So ehre's the short form:>It's inexplicable why /pol/ cannot accept that NT Judaeans =/= Jews. Didn't we have hundreds of threads about this already?>ChatGPT claims about Judaism should be taken with a grain of salt, Albania,
>>526248971I actually do and now I'm going to be fucking studying that
>>526249455I'm not just taking chatGPT here if you have something that you doubt like tell me and I'll look into it for example, I'm very well open to the Dead Sea scrolls being completely forged. let me have to look into that I mean, all I had to do was do a cursory search of what would happen if the Dead Sea scrolls were illegitimate and then I realized that they could really be illegitimate you have to realize that that the earlier tool of the Jews. it's actually a tool that's just chaotic and you have to learn to use it they can't control it any more than you can and it's really just a mask for chaos beyond it like it has this little parameter system and then that's the mask. get by the mask and you're fine but yeah no I believe you. I think it's kind of ridiculous that this is just like okay. there's Dead Sea scrolls and now we don't have anything to question with the Jews like fuck that
>>526246840>you accept archaic hominids from afreaka as spiritual leaders of other africansftfy indo-itaLARPerthe seminary is in Moscow
>>526249481I like archeology and history and it strikes me as odd that a place as well trodden as israel was still hiding something like the dead sea scrolls. I haven't actually studied the actual excavation myself. >Bedouin shepherds discovered the first Dead Sea Scrolls in Cave 1 in 1946-1947
>>526249658It's not really chat GPT that I'm using. I'm actually using perplexity but I'm just going to say this you just need to know how to ask it cuz this is automatically something. that was weird that one of you brought up I actually was unaware that the Dead Sea scrolls were this fucking odd - essentially there just wouldn't be Judaism if there wasn't Dead Sea scrolls like what the fuck
>>526249658>I'm not just taking chatGPT here if you have something that you doubt like tell me and I'll look into itI doubt it very much. Judaism being rather young, younger than Christianity is usually accepted in historical discussion. You denying this makes me wonder where your actual sources and allegiances lie. The Talmud is the more recent book that makes or breaks Judaism, the exegesis and application of the older Torah. To claim modern Judaism existing without the Talmud is asinine.Dead Sea Scrolls is a whole nother Pandora's Box and indeed highly sus.
>>526249455>cannot acceptseeing through your desperate gaslighting != difficulty in accepting that time changes peopleancient jews != modern jews like literally every single ethnic group that has ever existed, doesn't change the origins of christianity and jewsus nor their behavior and traitsancient judaeans aka "NT judaeans" were the same subversive gentile despising filth as modern jews except far browner and who spoke exclusively afro-asiatic tongues
>>526249860Clearly, this isn't controllable by Jews. They wouldn't want me to read this. They want to control the questions I ask so they can control the narrative. But that was a great question, I mean, what would happen if the Dead Sea Scrolls were proven to be fake? This is just retcon if so
>>526249662nobody cares what raped buck broken christjeets think
>>526249918nigger what? I denounce the talmud and wish death on Israel in front of a council of 12 kek>>526249918
>>526249795>Bedouin shepherds discovered the first Dead Sea Scrolls in Cave 1 in 1946-1947isn't that also around the same time they unearthed Nag Hammadi?
>>526249923>ancient jews != modern jews like literally every single ethnic group that has ever existed, doesn't change the origins of christianity and jewsus nor their behavior and traitsNice claim. But this is the crux of the argument. I hope you chilled out a bit. Though your inane butthurt rant was hilarious, ngl.I think you're equating Pharisees with all ancient Near Easterlings, really. But that is obv untrue. >>526250109That's good, but what does that have to do with anything?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pikuach_nefesh&oldid=931769239#Defaming_God's_nameI literally had to click the history button because you know way back when. this is how I actually promoted the denounce the talmud idea because I found it here It was a long time ago in a maxar technologies thread. the reason that it's actually written in the Russian chug threads is funny I was posting about maxar technologies and how I doubted that they actually filmed the bucha massacre - hence Russians adopted it but there was a bunch of fucking kikes and they were doubting me, this can all be found on 4plebs just search maxar it's there somewhere and basically saying denounce the talmud made them leave, it evolved into the CHUG memeI'm HEAVILY anti Israel lol
>>526250238destroying christian filth on /pol/ is a pleasure, I see you cannot argue against the documented jewishness of ancient "judaeans" by gentiles therefore once again your concession is accepted>muh pharisee>muh sneedites>muh chukites>muh real Epic Jews™nobody is falling for this shit, it only shows, once again, that christians are literally the manifestation of every single subversive trait they associate with jews but x100 as intense
>>526250369YOU CANT EVEN HUMOR denouncing this if you're a REAL kike it bypasses self sacrifice laws kekknow thy enemy
>>526249662you are not a real greek
>>526250450>christian filth>literal pooreal hard choice ravvitime we expel all you dirty Brahmanics
>>526250687behold, your brothers in christ
>>526250674>you are not a real greekμὰ σύ ῾σαι ἰνδὸς γνήσιος γύφτος ἀλλὰ χωρὶς σταυρὸ οὔτε παναγία
>>526250949wtf LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO WHAT
>>526251037The language you translat does not affect your race, turk-jeet christshitter
2000 years of making kikes and brown mud people seethe, Christ is Lord
>>526250949>your brothers in christpordestands are not Christians, they are yahweh-worshippers
>>526251252>kikes and brown mud peopleone of the most fitting descriptions of christian filth there is, well done
>>526251149Jeets are vile
>>526251342even though youre a faggot Jesus still loves you!
>>526251470love from a jewish manlet? yikes dude
>>526251149>The language you translatἀπὸ πότε ἀρχινήσανε νὰ κάμουν μεταφράσεις τῶν καθαρευουσῶν, γιαχουντῆ τσιφούτη;
>>526251543i pray you will see the truth bro, we'll all face Him one day no matter how much we lash out
>>526251621you arent greek by using a translator you turkish rape slave christcattle subhuman
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>>526252242>translate still doesn't work on katharevusaμοῦ ἀρκεῖ μόνο ποὺ τὸ βεβαίωσες γιαχουντῆἄϊντε ξεκόλλα εἴτε ἄϊ σιχτίρ.
>>526252671you will always be a turkish ass-baby
>>526252904>cite's the New King James Publishers "Orthodox" [sic] Study Bibleδὲν τραβιέμαι ἀπὸ πείσματα οὔτε κολακείες γιαχουντῆ, ὅσο κι᾿ ἂν μὲ ποθῇς βρὲ πούστη
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>>526253641ὅλοι θὰ προσκυνήσουν τὸν Χριστὸν τὸν συνάναρχον Λόγον τοῦ Πατρός· δόξα τῷ Θεῷ· εἰς μάτην οἱ προσπάθειές σου σατανᾶ
>>526246130>Slowly, I came to hate them.That's how I feel about you despite being raised christian kek
>>526254140>That's how I feel
>>526254365Boomer meme. We've got a boomer here!
>>526245943>muh based orthodox christianityIt is>you're a joke lmao, webm is from Russia btwYou're the joke. The people in that webm are based and the priest is most based. You on the other hand are not and as such dying out.
>>526255348>The people in that webm are based and the priest is most basedKEKEKEKEKKE
>>526255090did it hurt your feelings?
>>526250949thats kundalini tho
>>526252292>star of remphan
