I don’t care about identity politics. I want housing to be affordable. Fix that one thing and you fix many other problems.
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>>526719063jeet lover
Both sides are fighting for legal brown immigration
>>526719063You only don't care because you currently don't live amongst them
>>526719063Mass deportation is the best solution to the housing crisis. 20 million would be a good start.
>>526719121>>526719114I am against immigration. Not for identity reasons, but because immigrants are used to undercut American wages. Immigration should only be allowed when every American citizen has a house and a well paying job.
>>526719063Then go back to plebbit. Stop shitting our board
>>526719195Making it illegal for one person/company to own more than one residential property would fix the problem overnight.
>>526719063>I want housing to be affordable.Capitalists will buy them
>>526719063Our rulers let inside our country millions of browns. They all want houses now. There is not enough so the price skyrocket. Not that hard to understand.
>>526719063No. Fuck you zoomer
>>526719337See >>526719257
>>526719063>>526719223Let's say housing becomes affordable and even turd-worlders can afford houses on their under-the-table blue collar wages. What do you expect to get fixed?
>>526719378I already stated that I’m against immigration until every American has affordable housing and a well paying job. Are you illiterate?
>>526719460>I already stated that I’m against immigration until every American has affordable housing and a well paying job. Are you illiterate?I didn't ask you your opinion on immigration. I asked you what problems do you expect to be fixed from affordable housing, it doesn't have to be just immigration.
sound money
>>526719063>I want housing to be affordable.What do you do for work? How much savings do you have? What is your credit score? Give us some more details and I'm sure /pol/ can find you a home that fits your budget.
>>526719562When housing is affordable, intelligent people who held off on having kids until they could afford a house would start having children. The amount of intelligent people having kids is a direct indicator for a country’s future success. Your schizoid ramblings about immigrant buying housing assumes that the housing will just become expensive again, but as I clearly stated, the primary goal is to keep housing cheap. One of the ways to do this is to halt immigration, which is a good idea. Another way is to make it illegal to own more than one residential property, which would also fix things. A third way is to use government funding on a massive residential infrastructure project, which would also help and is way more sensible than sending billions to Israel.
>>526719359>According to this twitter screencap by Literally Who? the reason I'm not a home owner is because of people born in the 1940s and Donand Trump.What do you do for work?>>526719460>affordable housingWhat do you do for work? Can you put a price tag on "affordable"?
>>526719661solving an individual’s problem doesn’t solve the entire thing. I own a house. What I want is for everyone else in the country to also be able to afford a house? Would this make my house worth less on the market? Sure, but I’m fine with that because affordable housing would lead to intelligent people having more kids, which would save this country from collapse. That is the goal here. Saving the country from the fact that only retards feel comfortable having children.
>>526719841Affordable would be a person with a minimum wage job being able to afford a house large enough to ease a family on a single income.
>>526719749>When housing is affordable,What do you do for work and what price point would you consider "affordable"? Does "affordable" include things like maintenance, utilities, taxes, and HOA fees or is someone else meant to subsidize that for you?>intelligent people who held off on having kids until they could afford a house would start having childrenI expect you're one of those intelligent people that we need to encourage to breed, right? What do you and your wife do for work?>use government funding on a massive residential infrastructure project,We already have that. What's holding you and your wife back from moving into some state subsidized housing project and raising up some children?
>>526719749>intelligent people who held off on having kids until they could afford a house would start having children.While there are people in this situation, I doubt that intelligent people holding off on having kids is as dependent on material factors as you think.>The amount of intelligent people having kids is a direct indicator for a country’s future success.For the most part, yes. I would argue that chinks reproducing isn't a net positive for any Western country they're in, since their allegiance is never to the Western country they're invading.>Your schizoid ramblings about immigrant buying housing assumes that the housing will just become expensive again, but as I clearly stated, the primary goal is to keep housing cheap. One of the ways to do this is to halt immigration, which is a good idea. Another way is to make it illegal to own more than one residential property, which would also fix things. A third way is to use government funding on a massive residential infrastructure project, which would also help and is way more sensible than sending billions to Israel.This is just the ways you would lower the housing prices. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you here, but in the OP you said it would fix many other problems. That is what I'm trying to get you to elaborate on.
>>526720043The point is that you can directly predict whether a country will be successful in the future by whether or not intelligent people in that country are having more than 2 kids. One of the only countries like that in the modern world is Israel. Why do smart people in Israel have kids? Because housing is basically free to them. The government just lets them take housing from the Palestinians and the government funds massive settlement projects. This is the theory in action. In america we have over six million vacant homes. Even if you did nothing but give those to people, you’d probably save the country fourth years down the line.
Too late
>>526720043Also the reason intelligent people wait to have kids is precisely because their ideal material conditions are not met. Dumb people just fuck without considering the outcome. Smart people want their children to have a childhood that is of similar quality to their own, which often means house with a lawn. If you are smart and can’t afford the house with the lawn, you put off having kids until you can, but that time may never come.
>>526719063That would make boomers very upset.
>>526719223>It's not about identity>I just want to prioritize this one particular identityWhy even pretend? It's not a bad thing to prioritize your own identity. You play into their word games by acting like "identity politics" are a bad thing.
>>526719063I don’t care about identity politics. I want jews to cease existing. Fix that one thing and you fix many other problems.
>>526720370Identity politics are a bad thing. They’re useless. The category of “American” is just a convenient closed system which can be improved without growing unmanageable. Ideally everywhere in the world would have affordable housing, but that isn’t the responsibility of one country. That’s the responsibility of each country in their own.
>>526719359This is only because they don't want to negatively impact the firms that own millions of houses. It would be completely fine to structure it so that the human beings who already own houses aren't hurt, but all of those people don't own politicians, while Blackrock and similar firms do own politicians. They will always frame it as 'young people versus old people' so that the corporations fucking them both don't get any blame or even too much attention.
>>526720331Appealing primarily to the elderly is not good for the health of a nation. Catering to the needs of the youth is how society improves.
>>526719749It doesn't need to be illegal. All that is needed is a land value tax with an exemption so every citizen can own one or two or three average sized properties without having to pay the LVT on those properties. In this way a corporation that owns a million properties will pay taxes on a million properties, but individuals who own one property will not have to pay taxes.
>>526720552Why not just make it illegal. There’s no societal benefit to giving corporations leniency.
>>526719878>I own a house.Of course you do, you're one of the smart people after all. How many children do you have?>I want is for everyone else in the country to also be able to afford a house?Sure, a beach house on Nantucket with a magical pony that lives out by the rainbow fountain. >affordable housing would lead to intelligent people having more kids,How many children do you have? Who are all of those intelligent people that can't figure out how babies are made, or get their shit together enough to provide shelter for their super smart family?>>526719915>a person with a minimum wage job being able to afford a house large enough to ease a family on a single income.Tell us about all the smart people you know who only earn minimum wage that are just itching to start a family. Why don't you kick in some money to help one of them buy a home however big you feel they deserve?
>>526720215>>526720301>Also the reason intelligent people wait to have kids is precisely because their ideal material conditions are not met. Dumb people just fuck without considering the outcome.You're reducing the population to "intelligent" people who are totally self-disciplined and "dumb" people who just want to have fun without considering that most people who have an IQ over 110 these days engage in much of the same degeneracy as their "dumb" counterparts. The difference is that the people with an IQ over 110 put more thought and rationalization into it. Intelligent people aren't sterile and stiff robots who calculate every decision in their life like a computer. They are in fact largely subject to the same culture an 80 IQ negroid, with the biggest difference being they surround themselves with better people. In other words, 90% of people are lemmings/normies with different levels of self-discipline. If you gave everyone affordable housing, smart people aren't going to start suddenly start having children because that is not where Western culture is right now. The popular idea is that nobody owes the state (or their family) children, and that THEIR personal freedom is more important. Israel is the exception because of the Holocaust religion that the government and popular culture swings over their heads. They have a greater obligation to "fill in the gaps" of the Holocaust so to speak. For someone who opposes identitarianism, you sure do put people into very strict boxes.
>>526720656I don’t have children. I was lucky. I saved up money by living with my parents for a number of years post college and then built a house on the other side of their land. But, unlike a sociopath, I understand that I come from a lucky situation and that not everyone has the same opportunity I did, and as such I want that changed. I do not believe universal positive change is a bad thing.
>>526720742It’s objective fact that dumber people are more likely to accidentally become pregnant than intelligent people. Intelligent people tend to use forms of birth control like condoms and the pill. The birth control for dumb people was abortions.
>>526720215>Because housing is basically freeAlmost 1M for a 500 square foot apartment in TelAviv. But that's basically free because da joooos.https://www.realtor.com/international/il/>In america we have over six million vacant homes.>weI'm extremely confident (You) don't even have one, but that's very generous of you to offer to give away some other bloke's house for the sake of your virtue signal on social media. You're not only one of the smart ones, but one of the good ones.
>>526720826he's also classifying midwits in with actual intelligent ranges for this arbitrary score. 100-110 is peak midwit
>>526720934note that other races such as blacks are literally not to be considered so the bottom half of your bell curve evaporates
>>526720826>It’s objective fact that dumber people are more likely to accidentally become pregnant than intelligent people.Yes, that's correct.>Intelligent people tend to use forms of birth control like condoms and the pill. The birth control for dumb people was abortions.Yeah... so how does this address anything I said? Using Israel as an example is counter-productive to your argument because their culture makes them more obligated to have children, even for high IQ Israelis who work long-hour jobs. Affordable housing is a good thing to work towards, but you're putting all your eggs in one basket as if it's going to increase the longevity of the West. You can't act like a neoliberal who only believes "muh line goes up" will fix everything because culture more often than not shits over what is material.
>>526719063>I want housing to be affordable. Fix that one thing and you fix many other problems.I fully agree. I am enraged at the housing situation.But let me ask something. Why do you think housing is not affordable? Understanding the problem is the main thing. Right now, it's not affordable because most people don't know why. You can't solve a problem without understanding it.
>>526720879You trust the numbers from Israel? Yes, some places are expensive, that’s true everywhere. That doesn’t disprove the point that Israel has way less unoccupied housing which means people are instead using those houses to raise families. Tell me, how are 6 million empty houses beneficial to young American families?
>>526720611>There’s no societal benefit to giving corporations leniency.This depends, leniency for what?Should there be license requirements and permits for making food? By the logic of giving businesses no leniency, they should not be allowed to make food, how do you think that would work out?
>>526719063In fact, most of societal ills can be melted away with two simple steps1) kill all the jews2) deport all the non-whites>Why the order is important?If you don't do 1 first, the jew will try to sabotage you every step of the way of taking your White country back. Remember, it was the jew that destroyed the White-only immigration policies in the first place, and it will be the jew fighting you trying to reinstate it.However, dead jews do not push for multiculturalism.Dead jews won't stop you from taking back your country.That is something that alive jews do.>The reason you fight for an open society is because that's the only society that you can live in, as a Jew unless you become a nationalist and only fight for your own rights in your own state.- George Soros (NY Times 17/7/2018)Every problem is downstream from jews.However, dead jews don't cause problems.
>>526720552>a corporation that owns a million propertiesHow many corporations own a million homes? >>526720758>I don’t have children.So mom and dad built you a house on their land and you're still a virgin. I am relieved, but I wonder why you don't just give your house away to one of those smart guys that's only earning minimum wage that deserves a nice home to raise his family in? Not like you need it if you're too much of an autist to talk to women IRL or put your penis inside of them. Why are you so fucking greedy hoarding up a home that some young family needs?You seem like a real piece of shit.
>>526719359>>526719841You fucking imbeciles don't even know what Trump is saying there. You can't even process it. It's scary that you can't vote. I'm done.I will get my own home without even wagieing because I am not as stupid as the average normie. And I am glad most people are suffering. They deserve it.>>526720459To the extent that boomers care about the price of their home, they will also be "hurt". If you don't understand this, you are also an illiterate imbecile who couldn't even process what the screenshot says.
>>526721218>It's scary that you can't voteI mean "can"
>>526721072>You trust the numbers from Israel?So those real estate listing sites are just a jewish conspiracy to hide the fact that houses are actually free there?Why don't all you smart people just go over there, pretend to be Jewish and collect a free house?
>>526721030Housing is unaffordable for a combination of factors:>investment firms hoarding housing as investment>landlords bribing local governments into restrictive zoning laws that prevent new housing from being built, so that rent prices can remain high due to the lack of competition>foreign investment in American housing>immigration, specifically from places like India, whose workers take what would be good American jobs, but get hired via undercutting wagesIf you made using housing as an investment illegal, and put a halt on white collar immigration, things would fix themselves quickly. Now you may think:>but anon, what about the government giving immigrant housing with taxpayer moneyThat’s effectively a subsidy for corporations to continue hiring people while paying them nothing and displacing American workers. That should also be stopped. I don’t believe that this specifically has had a huge effect on housing prices, but I do believe it to have a large effect on the income of actual American citizens.
>>526721218>I'm angry at a twitter screencap! I'm smart.The threads about that are still in the catalog and the topic is "fuck boomers, I'm unemployed, unemployable have no savings or investments but trump and boomers are the reason I don't own a home". Much like this thread, ironically.
>>526721364well yeah, why employ myself now in 2026 when our currency is exploding in real time? next 6 months should be interesting for dear old boomers. they have more 'skin in the game' so to speak :). elastic, dog like, wrinkly, ugly skin.
>>526721158Why do you believe that someone who doesn’t have kids must be a virgin. Also I paid for my house, just not the land it was built on. Why are you so desperate to keep housing unaffordable? Why are you so desperate to make the next generation of Americans dumber? If I had more than one house, I would be more than willing to sell it way under its value. My grandparents did that 30 years ago with a single rental they owned and never actually cared about. Why, I’m your mind, is the responsibility to improve the housing crisis on individuals and not the people hoarding the housing? Your worldview is shockingly obtuse.
>>526721315>>526721315>landlords bribing local governments into restrictive zoning laws that prevent new housing from being built, so that rent prices can remain high due to the lack of competitionThis is spot on, and I respect you for mentioning that, because most people don't get this. But do you not think that, compared to this, all the other points are irrelevant? Because none of the "hoarding" would matter if people could just make homes.>>526721364I'm not angry at the screenshot, I'm glad that was brought up. I'm saying you can't process what it says. You are an absolute imbecile and still missing the point.
>>526719063Vote candidates who are pro social, then, not Trump and his sociopathic, narcissistic ilk
>>526721315>>investment firms hoarding housing as investmentCan you explain how this works and give us some examples of it happening in your own experience?>landlords bribing local governments into restrictive zoning lawsHow many times have you seen this happen?>>foreign investment in American housingWhat percentage of homes in the USA are owned by foreign nationals?>whose workers take what would be good American jobs,What line of work are you in that some 70IQ street shitter who would fist-bump a train is out-competing you in the job market? I thought you were one of the high IQ people that we need to subsidize so that you can breed.>have a large effect on the income of actual American citizens.How much are you earning now and what sort of pay bump do you figure you'll get if we can get rid of all the Jeets?
>>526721542No, I think when solving a problem, you solve it from all angles so that their are no exploits or loopholes remaining. Ending housing speculation is just as important as restrictive zoning laws. To only suggest one path would only lead to the same evil people taking another path.
>>526721648You are an unserious person that is only capable of debating the facts themselves and you need to rely on personal attacks. It’s embarrassing. Get a better debate tactic and stop being a faggot.
>>526721673The "hoarding" is only there because of the zoning laws, though. They are only "hoarding" homes because they know they will keep increasing in price. (btw I say "hoarding" because they buy them and then rent them out)If people could build homes, that would be pointless. So solving the root of the problem without overcomplicating things would be better.
>>526721843Tell me, what is the benefit provided to society by the hoarding of empty houses?
>>526721905that's irrelevant, im just saying only solving the root of the problem is necessary
>>526721403>why employ myself now in 2026No reason at all. Mommy will take care of you and surely you'll come out on top in 2 more weeks when civilization collapses.>>526721444>Why are you so desperate to keep housing unaffordable?Understanding supply and demand and scarcity means I want "to keep housing unaffordable"? You want some houses you can go buy with your McJob here you go:https://www.landcentury.com/houses-and-buildings/cheap-housesUnder 10 grand for a 2500 square foot home with a lawn. >Why, I’m your mind, is the responsibility to improve the housing crisis on individuals and not the people hoarding the housing?So you're not going to give up the house you don't need for a family but other people should. Again, you're extremely generous with things that other people worked and earned. You still haven't mentioned what you do for work and you come off as a sheltered child who has never actually participated in adult life.
>>526722012It’s not irrelevant. Even with changes to zoning laws, the wealthy still own the land. They can just buy the land and prevent you from building on it. Corporations hoarding property does nothing good for society and making it illegal is the only sensible position to hold. Like I said, allow them no loopholes.
>>526721542>You are an absolute imbecile and still missing the point.OK, so what's the point, because truth be told I don't ever even read twitter screencaps, but just mock NPCs for getting emotional about them.
>>526722116Enjoy your pod future faggot, because clearly appealing to the powerful is the only thing you know how to do. There was a study done years ago that proved that 67% of people will do whatever a perceived authority figure will tell them to do. Good to know you’re NPC tier.
>>526721823>an unserious person that is only capable of debating the factsI see, so we should consider more important factors such as vibes, feels, and some shit you saw on social media. Let's not let reality get in the way of creating our new utopia.
>>526721843>If people could build homes, that would be pointless. So solving the root of the problem without overcomplicating things would be better.So all we need to do is just magic up more land in the places where people want to live and then we'll have enough to go around. That's fucking brilliant, why hasn't anybody done this yet?
>>526722382No, you can’t debate the topics at hand. You can only debate in relation to the facts of an individual’s life. If I were to say the sky was blue, would it matter if I were a priest a homeless person, a king, or an electrician? No, because it’s irrelevant to the topic at hand. I don’t ask you about your job because it doesn’t fucking matter when we talk about broad issues experiences across the country. Does this really not make sense to you?
>>526722213Oh, you're so witty and smart, here mocking NPCs who can't think for themselves like you!"they can't bring housing prices down because that would be bad for boomer property prices" - What does that mean to you? What is he actually saying?>>526722210Alright, whatever. But just so you know, the one commodity that the government restricts production of, is the biggest problem people have to afford, and just so happens to be the only one that corporations found "loopholes" to "hoard".
>>526722470What a retard. What we need to magic is more permits to build homes in land that is already there, near those places. That's it you fucking imbecile.Considering yourself to be smart is not the same as actually being cognitively capable. If you think you're smart but can't even process this, you are just another /pol/ midwit.
>>526722529The government only restricts the production of housing because the landlords and corporations bribe them to do so. The primary onus on responsibility is the one providing the bribe.
>>526719063You tired of how they make this sort of shit a partisan issue too? Making the lives of your citizens better should be the top priority, fuck if it makes rich cunts have to find other ways to stay rich.
>>526722664Look man, if that's the way that you found to blame capitalism for this, I support this. I wish all leftists thought like this if it means they'll look at the root of the problem.It's landlords bribing them. It's corporations hijacking the government. It's capitalism restricting housing permits. Whatever you want to call it, I'm glad you're at least looking at the root of the problem.I hope then you'll agree that they should remove all restrictions to stick it to those bribing landlords.
>>526721905>what is the benefit provided to society by the hoarding of empty houses?Asks the guy who claims to own a big empty house and is single with no prospects of seeing a vagina IRL.>>526722210How many wealthy people do you know who have a bunch of money tied up in unproductive land that just costs them to keep and maintain? All the wealthy people I know have all their money into investments that provide returns and they aggressively pursue the best returns (spoiler alert, upkeep and property taxes is a negative cash flow).>Corporations hoarding propertyWhich corporations are in the property hoarding business? What is the profit margin in just sitting on real property?>making it illegal is the only sensible position to hold.Why don't we make it illegal for you to own property and then a smart person earning minimum wage could post up in your house and start a family? Why are you so much more generous when it comes to giving away my property than yours?
>>526722740Who said my house was big?
>>526722740There you go again asking personal questions instead of debating the facts. Absolutely pathetic. You can’t even learn to debate correctly after being called out on your retarded tactic. If only you were intelligent enough to be embarrassed by your own behavior.
>>526719063Your city has to build more houses
>>526719223Char Anon is right, just like Char in the show was right about CCA.
The argument connecting "identity politics" or "woke" ideology to housing unaffordability rests on the view that liberal jurisdictions prioritize social equity, environmental stringency, and special interest protections over market efficiency and housing supply. Critics argue these policies artificially inflate costs in five key ways:1. The "Equity Tax" (Inclusionary Zoning)Policies requiring developers to sell a percentage of units at below-market rates to specific marginalized groups act as a tax on development. To subsidize these losses, developers must raise prices on market-rate units to remain solvent, making housing more expensive for the general middle class.2. "Green Tape" and BureaucracyExtensive requirements for environmental impact reports and "social equity" studies allow opposition groups to delay projects for years. These delays add massive legal and carrying costs—sometimes estimated at 25–40% of a home's final price—making it impossible to build affordable starter homes profitably.3. "Left-NIMBYism"Activists often block new market-rate housing in diverse neighborhoods, arguing it causes "gentrification" or erases cultural identity. By restricting supply to protect a neighborhood’s specific character, these policies paradoxically drive prices up, worsening the displacement they aim to prevent.4. Subsidies Over SupplyIdentity politics often favors demand-side solutions (giving down-payment assistance to specific groups) rather than deregulating construction. Economists argue this fuels inflation by putting more money into a market with a fixed supply of homes.5. Labor MandatesRequirements to use union labor or pay "prevailing wages" are seen as prioritizing political alliances over cost-efficiency, significantly raising the baseline cost of construction.
>>526722883Thanks chat GPT. Very cool. Write it in iambic pentameter next time.
>>526722268>Enjoy your pod futureWhat the fuck is a pod future? I just showed you some houses you could go buy right fucking now for less than the price of a good used car. >You can only debate in relation to the factsIf we're going to just make up some fantasy reality why do you want to make one where everybody is a helpless loser victim the whole time? You come off as a sheltered entitled child>>526722529>"they can't bring housing prices down because that would be bad for boomer property prices"First I wonder if this is an actual quote or just what some random attention whore said on twitter.>What does that mean to you?Nothing. Trump says a lot of stupid shit, some of it is his schtick to get the media screeching, some of it is to placate dull witted cattle voters, and some of it is just probably stream of consciousness ranting that doesn't mean anything. This guy cut his teeth in being a celebrity via professional wrestling. Most of what he does in front of a camera is just showmanship.I try to not get emotionally invested in what politicians say anyway because a tweet quoting (or misquoting?) a politician doesn't = law. If you want me to get outraged about what a politician did show me a link to congress.gov of some law I'm meant to be outraged about and I'll read it and make up my own mind.
>>526719063Retard, you don't have affordable housing BECAUSE of identity politics. Or rather, the lack of it, at least for white people. At no other point in history it was normal to willingly put your own children into misery and unpayable debt, and then leave them with zero inheritance once you die.See >>526719359
I know people shit talk Africa and South America, but they're not retarded and insane like the US. They have minor crime issues at worse.
>>526719114Jeets are part of the housing crisis, and they are clearly brought into other nations to destroy the value of labor. Corpos don't even hide this fact. Also Char did nothing wrong.
>>526722584>What we need to magic is more permits to build homes in land that is already there, near those places.So you're saying if we take some affluent suburb of a major metro and just let people build until it turns into a favella that'll tank the price of homes there because anybody with money will want to get the fuck out?While this strategy seems appealing if you want to live in Thousand Oaks in a house that looks like pic related, you'll find that the people who already live there will mostly say "fuck off, we're full!".I've posted a link to several houses near major metro regions that you could own extremely cheap, so what more do you want for "affordable housing" near the hustle and bustle of the big cities? I'd wager a building permit in one of those towns would cost you no more than a 20 piece KFC bucket and a quart of malt liquor.>I want to be able to buy a house cheap enough that any nigger could afford it, but I don't want my neighbor to be a nigger!Realistically how do you plan to reconcile these two things?
>>526719063It'll only be fixed if there weren't so many people flooding in driving up pricesSecond every group has in group preferences except whites. Because of that it limits your opportunities.
>>526723402>did he say that or is it fake?>Trump is stupidThat's all? That's all you get from this? Do you not understand any of the implications if he did say it?Shit. They can even everyone to their faces what they're doing, and people still won't question it.
>>526719359Boomers drive around like tourists and clog the highways at all hours. They are on a perpetual "vacation" and never stop spending money. They deserve to eat shit, and if they keep getting greedy they'll end up getting fucked by endless waves of squatters.
>>526721218I'm glad this foreign swine is here to shill for boomers and corpos that may want his cheap labor. You can fuck right off from this conversation.
>>526723807No retard, just make more homes. Like people did in order for those suburbs to exist in the first place. First those suburbs weren't there, then they were built, and nothing turned into a favella, get it?>>526723807>I've posted a link to several houses near major metro regions that you could own extremely cheap, so what more do you want for "affordable housing" near the hustle and bustle of the big cities? I'd wager a building permit in one of those towns would cost you no more than a 20 piece KFC bucket and a quart of malt liquor.Housing prices anywhere near big cities contradict that.>Realistically how do you plan to reconcile these two things?First off, its not acceptable that law enforcement is soft on crime while being hard on good people who fight criminals, while not allowing segregation, so that in order to keep the peace, white people have to resort to segregation by price.Still, homes don't have to be this insanely expensive in order to keep segregation. They could all be much cheaper and white people could still have the option to pay a premium for segregation.
>>526722664>The government only restricts the production of housing because the landlords and corporations bribe them to do so.Can you cite some examples of this happening or am I asking too much for wanting to just discuss the facts here?>>526722773>Who said my house was big?I bet it's bigger than the houses people raised a family of 6 in back in the 1940s and 50s.>>526722841>How dare you ask for facts, evidence, or even anecdotes to prove my claims!>>526722883>Memeflagging, reddit spaced GPT post is the most sensible thing in this thread.Grim.
>>526719063Housing is already affordable. Just live with mommy while you flip burgers for a year and buy a house literally anywhere but Times Square, Dallas, or Hollywood.
>>526719063I hate to break it to you little man, but housing prices will never ever go down.
>>526723958You are retarded as fuck. Shill for boomers? Corpos that may want cheap labor? You are so fucking lost that you might as well be replying to a whole different thread, because that has nothing to do with what I said.What I am actually saying is that when retards say that there's no homes because blackrock is "hoarding" them all, that they should kick out the immigrants so they don't take up homes, make mortgages more accessible, it's all meaningless, because the truth is that we need more supply of housing. And we don't have more supply of housing because it's being intentionally restricted to make it expensive, by the same people who tell you its blackrock's fault or they'll help by giving you a longer mortgage. They're laughing at you and telling you to your face, and you can't even process it.
>>526724153They could very well go down because they're kept up artificially by politicians. Get a grip you imbecile. Just one president who wants them to go down would crush the market overnight.
>>526720447congratulations, you are on your way to understanding National Socialism. it is the purpose of the government to promote the common good of its citizens. if the common good of citizens is served by excluding foreigners, exclude them.
>>526724297LmaoKeep that dream alive, junior. When was the last time housing prices went down significantly?
>>526719749Some people prefer renting.They can't rent if there aren't individuals who own more than one house.I agree corporations shouldn't be involved. That banks should have stricter lending standards where houses cannot be used as collateral for further borrowing.But restricted individual house ownership that drastically would hurt young people the most and kill the rental market which has always been a critical stepping stone for them.
>>526723853>Do you not understand any of the implications if he did say it?Not at all. As I explained I don't give a shit about what politicians say because it's almost entirely theater. If what the president says isn't in a bill, passed by both houses of congress by a majority and then signed into law AND passes muster at the Supreme Court it effects my life no more than any other random nobody's opinion or twitter post.Life is way the fuck too short for me to get hysterical every time a politician opens their mouth and promises and panders. I reserve my give a shits for things that are real and have force of law.>They can even everyone to their faces what they're doing,What precisely are "they" doing? Post a link at congress.gov of whatever bill is in the pipeline to become law that is going to impact my life?
>>526724373Well, in 2008. But that's meaningless because back then, the reason they were high was fundamentally different.The right question would be, when was the last time a government enforced monopoly was removed, thus crushing prices? And it's happened lots of times.But you can't process this anyway so what's the point. I'm really just saying it for the people reading us.
>>526724397You are an NPC. You are literally cattle, and you deserve to be miserable for making others miserable with your stupidity.Too bad you got lucky. From the way you talk, you sound like the problem doesn't affect you. I guess you got rich parents, or good looks, or something. Because you deserve to be a wagie and to be abused.
>>526724397>What precisely are "they" doing?We're talking about housing prices, retard. They're doing more but that's the point right now.
>>526720301They aren't that smart.The people having children understand circumstances can and often do change. They rely on family even when family can be a pain in the ass.They're willing to make immediate sacrifices to their lifestyle, knowing their children will have stronger values than the coddled middle class brats they went to school with who can't imagine not having yearly tropical vacations and weekly restaurant meals and all the latest tech slop as soon as it's released.These people aren't smart, they're spoiled and materialistic.
>>526720370Making your sex life a core part of your identity is degenerate.
>>526719063Then embrace free markets and free immigration to skyrocket wages, there’s a reason the left supports what we do
>>526724047>just make more homes. Build your own home, Tyrone. I worked, saved, sacrificed, invested, and deferred gratification to earn my little land and home. I'm not going to run out and buy or build another one so that some fuckwit like OP can outlaw me owning the second one and steal it or someone like you can punish me with taxes for doing so.>Like people did in order for those suburbs to exist in the first place.Literally nothing stopping you, OP, or anybody else from buying up land in a place where nobody else wants to live and building places to live and creating a community. As you say, that's what previous generations did, and here in the USA there's still a shitload of fuck-all nothing land that can be had cheap. Hell, there's plenty of land that is unincorporated and doesn't even have a local government.Here's 40 acres in Sneed Florida you guys could buy up on the cheap, build whatever sort of homes you want and even a feed and seed store.>Housing prices anywhere near big cities contradict that.Did you even look at the link I posted?>>526724047>white people have to resort to segregation by price.But priced low enough that OP can support a family of 4 with a single minimum wage income, while excluding niggers, right? Don't get me wrong, If I were emperor I'd remove every single non-white from this continent ASAP, but on the off chance that all doesn't happen, people who are looking to become home owners might want to brainstorm some ideas that are going to fit better with reality.
>>526720758As someone who did not have any such opportunity, I plead with you to stay the fuck out of this.That thinking is why the world is shit. Seriously. There's a reason the road to hell is paved with good intentions.You don't have a clue what underprivileged people actually face and think, because you were privileged, that you know better.Well you don't. You don't see the people who scam the system - you insist they don't have ven when they openly brag about it. You presume to know what other people want, or their motives. You don't.The biggest problem with the left or those who think government is the place to go to for solutions, is that they have this godlike perspective where they know what can fix the world because something in their own limited experience worked for them. You can help the most by living your own life (why don't you have five kids with such a start?) and leaving others to figure out theirs.
>>526719063It's quite an amusing problem.For most of human's civilized history people didn't have much trouble constructing dwellings. Fairly basic ones most of the time, but that is secondary.Yet now in the most modern epoch it's becoming difficult? Almost like technology is an obstacle.>just pay off your house for 30 years broHow expensive are a dozen pallets of bricks, two pallets of concrete, two hundred yards of cut lumber, a pallet of tiles and another of paving stones, a hundred yards of piping and electrical wiring, 2 pallets of roofing tiles, one of stucco, a few steel beams, a load of sand and fill, various fittings and furnishings, and whatever I'm forgetting?Also gotta rent an excavator and maybe a small crane or platform, and some scaffolding, a concrete mixer if you don't have it delivered ready made.Doesn't seem too drastic. A couple years of savings maybe.Now you'll also require some specialist workers or workers in general, sure, but this approaching half a million in total seems ridiculous.
>>526721030Residential housing is being used as a money laundering vehicle.Eliminate that and housing will be affordable again. There will be a global depression in the meantime (because inflated housing costs is just one more asset that's been pumped by central banks along with tech stocks, etc) that governments will exploit to psu for more socialist policies though.
>>526724175>we need more supply of housing.https://www.spainhouses.net/en/sale-houses-spain/1-bedrooms/cheap.htmlWhat do you do for work? What price point do you consider "affordable"?
>>526719063Identity politics is a tautology. It's just politics. Faggot.
>>526725070>Build your own homeYou are so fucking stupid. I am running out of patience. I don't even know how I put up with this despite knowing that the problem will still be there no matter how much I argue about it on 4chan.Look. Businesses building homes and then selling them to people is basically the same thing as people building their own homes, indirectly. That's what I am arguing for all along. What did you think I was saying? That I want public housing or something?How can you be so much of a fucking imbecile that you don't even know what the conversation we're having is about?They are literally stopping us. There are zoning laws and license and permite requirements, you absolute fucking retard.>>526725070>But priced low enough that OP can support a family of 4 with a single minimum wage income, while excluding niggers, right?Just a free market price is good enough. Like with food. Housing could be so much cheaper. Look at how the average person in developed "capitalist" countries eats every day, sometimes even too much. Why is housing not left to the free market too?YOU FUCKING IMBECILE. you probably cant process this either.
>>526725314kek what a retard, no, this wouldn't work. this is fundamentally about available homes vs people who want a home. nothing else circumstancial that you find will address it other than more homes.
How to know you have a uni party.1. It all panders to one group EG Boomers, Jews.2. Everything's the same no matter how you vote
>>526719915Minimum wage should be enough to pay rent, but not necessarily buy a home. There needs to be incentive to earn more.
>>526721315Rents are high because mass immigration sucks up the bottom end and because every immigrant group is more tribal they will rent to each other but not the host population if they can avoid it.Removing zoning laws or not enforcing them means even when you do climb the property ladder to afford a big house, you might still be next to a rental where people sleep five to a room because along with the people we imported we brought in a lax view when it comes to slum living standards. And now your own lower class has to compete with that.Zoning laws are the one way local people can actually control their environment to an extent so that their neighborhood doesn't get inundated by third worlders or meth addicts, etc. people in nice neighborhoods they worked hard to live in don't want traffic congestion or transient populations that'll erode their community.
>>526724489>you got lucky.Yeah, just luck that I worked my whole life, went to school, studied, lived within my means, saved, sacrificed, invested, and made friends and productive relationships. Funny how life just dealt you a bad pitch and my home, land, business, savings, and investment just landed on me out of the sky and not you instead.Seriously, lived in a 20x16 foot shack, shit in a hole in the ground, and carried water from a spring for 3 years while I was growing my business and saving, but yeah, I guess some of us just get everything handed to us and don't appreciate the struggle of doomscrolling social media all day and demanding other people get taxed more.>We're talking about housing prices,Try to explain what power the president of the united states has to drastically change those? Hard mode, cite Article II of the US Constitution which explains what the president can and cannot do.
>>526725816why are they not sucking up everything? wouldn't they also suck up all the food and water too? do you ever think about that or are you too stupid?also there's been more population increases in history, how did things work out then?>Removing zoning laws or not enforcing them means even when you do climb the property ladder to afford a big house, you might still be next to a rental where people sleep five to a room because along with the people we imported we brought in a lax view when it comes to slum living standards. And now your own lower class has to compete with that.you could still pay a premium for a nicer area and it'd still be cheaper with less restrictions, retard. there's no reason for there to not be good neighborhoods with a free market on housing.
>>526725846Just because I'm mad doesn't mean I'm in a bad situation.Imagine being a struggling wagie due to rent prices kek. I would probably put a bomb somewhere to kill as many people as possible. Although, if I was in that position, I would not have the IQ to carry that out.Maybe I was wrong and you didn't get lucky, and just deserve what you have by working hard and being determined despite being a midwit. Good for you. But you're still wrong on this.My point through the entire conversation has been THEY LITERALLY ARE PREVENTING US FROM MAKING OUR OWN HOMES. Get it?
>>526725486>There are zoning laws and license and permite requirements,Can you cite the ones that are holding you back from building your own home? Do those laws come from state, province, or town level in your country? Have you attempted to get elected or appointed to whatever board or office is in charge of creating and modifying those laws? Have you considered buying some land in a place with looser building codes?Seems to me like there's a workaround for all of this if someone were motivated.>Why is housing not left to the free market too?Not sure if we're comparing apples to apples here. In my town the only real restrictions is you need 4 acres to build a home and it needs to be 50 feet from neighbor's lot or a traveled way, you'll need to get an inspection for your septic because we don't have designated shitting streets. The permits cost a couple hundred bucks and the code enforcement officer is like 80 years old and comes into the town office once a week and pretty much rubber stamps anything you put in front of him.Then again, there's 50,000 other towns and millions of acres of land in the USA that doesn't even have local government so there is a variety of options if someone wants to own land and build a home.
>>526719063This is the enemy
>>526726212I don't even know. I'm too lazy to actually look that up and look for loopholes. But I just know that housing is expensive as fuck for this reason, so it must be hard to dodge those restrictions, obviously. Otherwise not only the way to do so would be well known, but businesses would do it and just sell more homes and it'd drive prices down.Where would I buy land that is more available? In the middle of rural Spain? kek>Not sure if we're comparing apples to apples here. In my town the only real restrictions is you need 4 acres to build a home and it needs to be 50 feet from neighbor's lot or a traveled way, you'll need to get an inspection for your septic because we don't have designated shitting streets. The permits cost a couple hundred bucks and the code enforcement officer is like 80 years old and comes into the town office once a week and pretty much rubber stamps anything you put in front of him.Are you sure it doesn't have to be land that the government says can be built on? And other land is not allowed to be used for housing and is thus worthless?
>>526722664That's bullshit.Canada's entire economy is based on building new houses and prices are still absurd.The real problem here is the amount of drug money and so on washing through residential real estate.You can directly tie the housing bubble in each province to the outcome of court cases to do with law firms being exempt from certain banking regulations to do with sources of money for down payments when buying property. Buy through a lawyer, no questions asked. What a country, eh?Maybe it's the same in certain US states roo.
>>526726058>Imagine being a struggling wagie due to rent prices kek.I don't speak nigger, tell me what "wagie" is and I'll see if I can imagine it.>THEY LITERALLY ARE PREVENTING US FROM MAKING OUR OWN HOMES.Who is "they"? A zoning board in some suburb full of cunts you don't want to live around in a place you'd never be able to afford land in anyway?Why not figure out what exactly you want and try to come up with a real plan to materialize that in your life? I can assure you, you're not going to fix some other asshole's life for them via regulation or de-regulation and even if you think you can you should probably get your own affairs in order before trying.
>>526722740Blackstone, anon. And any company that offers investment REITS. Large air BNB investment groups (they're often foreign and there's lots in London County Virginia just as an example).The Federal Reserve through owning mortgage-backed securities outright, which they weren't allowed to do prior to '08.
>>526724047Look up "block busting", anon.Modern zoning laws were quietly brought in to combat that.Unfortunately the other battle is leftist stupidity that actively sabotages the ability foe people to come together and make nice things for themselves and more importantly, keep them.
>>526726370>I don't even know. I'm too lazy to actually look that up and look for loopholes.And yet you've convinced yourself that "they" are preventing you from building a home? For fuck's sake.>Where would I buy land that is more available? In the middle of rural Spain?Didn't you say up above that "we" need to create our own new suburbs? That comfy suburb with zoning laws (that you can't be arsed to look into but are convinced are holding you back) was fuck all nothing rural land before the first bloke moved there and built a house.>Are you sure it doesn't have to be land that the government says can be built on?My town has no such restrictions, if you own 4 acres and keep your building 50 feet back from the traveled way or neighbor's boundary you are allowed to build. The only exceptions are some older lots and subdivisions are grandfathered in with smaller lots.
>>526719063>Find a place that you like >Build an house>Profit
>>526719063Then if you fix mass migration, the banker/capitalist/jewish problem, the culture problem,the economic problem, then you can have affordable housing
>>526726623What percentage of single family homes in the USA are owned by institutional investors?Can you explain how that business works? Do they just buy houses and sit on them empty? Do they "own" a big development project and sell houses as soon as they can? Do they buy homes for the purpose of renting them out?Give us a breakdown of how you believe this works and then see if you can back up your claims with any evidence.
>>526719223>Immigration should only be allowedAllowed where anon?
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>>526725528You have no clue, Pedro.
>>526726608>>526727082I have to say, you're not so wrong. I was rude as fuck to you because I get very frustrated on this topic. But your latest comments are not that bad.However, they are definitely preventing people from building homes. That's self evident. Maybe there's some loophole or way around this, but that's still a fact. Market prices and statistics reflect it.
>>526727443AI slop
>>526719195illegals need to be deported but it won't fix housing. my rural shithole hometown has seen population declines every year since 1980 (as well as a loss of middle class jobs) yet home prices continue to go up, in excess of 2-3% annual inflation. the only solution to affordable housing is to massively curtail credit availability. the same solution is applicable to the automobile affordability crisis -- you give subhuman nigger cattle retards access to massive lines of credit with practically $0 down and they IMMEDIATELY bid up the price of assets to the point of absurdity.
>>526719165Honestly have had a better time living with brown people the last 20 years then with spurgs like you. So many white dudes are the most obnoxious and backstabbing cucks you've ever met in your life, if they arent sexless virgin over 30 losers who are functionally retarded outside of an easy office job. You lack direction and any kind of true principles. For fuck sake the largest base still defending the pedophile president are the same lost white boys. Wasnt like this when I was a kid though I blame the internet and american culture in general.
>>526727500>However, they are definitely preventing people from building homes.You repeat this but refuse to define "they" and can't even be bothered to read whatever rule you imagine is holding you back, cannot explain who creates or changes those rules and you have done zero research into trying to figure out where the rules may be more favorable for you.Sorry, not sorry, I can't come un-fuck your life for you. I've posted homes for sale in your country for less than the price of a new car and seen more homes on that website that looked like bombed out ruins so I have to imagine wherever they are should be pretty easy to come in and rebuild one of them or build a new house provided it doesn't look like something out of India or Africa.Do you even want any of this for yourself or are you just here to bitch about it and make excuses?My ID changed because I just took a ban for calling out a twitter-react thread.>>526727525>AI slopAlso "Luxury homes", implying if it weren't for Russian mob we'd all be able to buy pic related for less than the cost of a plate of poutine.
>>526727443Damn you, Russian mob turning these homes into money laundering. If it weren't for Russia I expect you'd be able to buy one of these for cash, right, Ranjeet?
