Most people are oblivious to differences in cognitive ability between individuals, including individuals of the same ethnicity.I was just reading on twitter that some guy tried to explain supply and demand to normies with a simplified example with 100 loaves of bread for 100 people etc. Normies in the comments didn't get it at all and still said the way to fix the economy is price fixing and its all corporate greed.They literally can't comprehend basic maths when applied to the real world instead of repetitive exercises at school, or grasp obvious logical processes. And some people to whom this is obvious are oblivious to the fact that others cant.Personally I give up. If the elections are going to be decided by masses like this, then I won't vote. It would be insulting to have my vote counted as one of them. I'll just let them be and do my thing, and when they're poor and they suffer, I will be glad because they deserve it.I know there's way more people reading here than commenting, so, if you're against the idea of supply and demand and believe any high price is "corporate greed", and you are a wagie who gets up in the morning to work all day, you deserve it and deserve to be miserable. That's your punishment.
>>528240340If you think it's bad there imagine being in America. Millions voted in 2020 and 2024, got vaxxed, react to every "current thing", never question anything unless it's socially approved, etc. And now many of these same normies are complaining about Jewish pedos running the government and they're seething calling themselves and each other goyim. The people who didn't give a shit about Jews before 2025 sure are the loudest.
>>528240510>And now many of these same normies are complaining about Jewish pedos running the government and they're seething calling themselves and each other goyim.That's hilarious ngl kek
>>528240552Yes it is but sad because most normies will forget about the Epstein shit. I think it's best if I go to Europe, Euros seem to at least have a higher population of people who critically think instead of just repeating and reacting.
>>528240340>explain supply and demand to normiesNo one with 100IQ would have trouble understanding this. Maybe they were actually smart and understand we are being bred like cattle on public-private partnership factory farms.
>>528240340Retards always think their simplified examples are analogous to the real world. It's like applying Newtonian physics on the quantum scale.
>>528240638In a few weeks they'll just forget and keep wagecvcking jflMost people in Europe are dumb too, you just interact with the ones on here, aka a subset who are interested in debating politics in a context of truly free speech>>528240660Normies can do all sorts of maths at school, boys and girls can do differential equations at 15 years old, so why would they not understand supply and demand which is super basic maths?The difference is, this time it's not a process based on a predictable exercise on an exam, it is applied to the real world and they would have to understand both the meaning of the theoretical mathematical exercise, and the correlation to the actual situation to which it applies.They go to a grocery store, see the shelf is full, and the price, which is written on a paper that the staff in the store placed in there, its high. To them, this means that there is no scarcity but the store choose to make the price high so they have to pay more. It is very hard to overcome this first impression, but, to make matters worse, they also truly can't grasp the maths even if it is explained to them in detail.
>>528240340>The best argument against democracy is a chat with the average voterThis has been true since the ancient Greeks who considered it the absolute worst form of governance. When you combine the high levels of retardation and combine that also with how impressionable and credulous most people are there isn't many conclusions the rational mind can come that isn't - "it's over"
>>528240763Sure bro. This reminds me of when trannies say that they're actually women, and people who say they're not are trying to apply basic biology to a super complicated and nuanced situation. JflLook. It is expected and natural that unintelligent people won't just submissively say "I can't grasp this, you are too superior". Of course they never do. To the contrary, they think they are right and they think they are smart. When they can't grasp something simple, they express it in the form of comments like yours, ironically calling me a retard.Supply and demand is not some quantum thing that can't be comprehended so no simplified example could possibly do it justice. The simplified examples really are a good way to explain it, the correlation between the example and the reality is usually clear and makes sense, and even the real situation is not that fucking hard to comprehend anyway.
>>528240882>Normies can do all sorts of maths at school, boys and girls can do differential equations at 15 years old, so why would they not understand supply and demand which is super basic maths?Because they're taught formulas to remember that solve these problems, they don't actually rely on cognitive ability to solve them, just repetition of a memorized formula.
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>>528240340i think "everybody" understands supply and demand at an intuitive levelhowever, there's a big gap between understanding supply and demand and believing that price controls will never work, a gap you probably filled with your own assumptions, didn't bother explaining them, and finally went mad when others held a different opinionare you 16? i hope you're 16
>>528241242Again like I said before, unintelligent people won't just submissively say "I can't grasp this at all, explaining this to me is like explaining the blockchain to a dog, you are so superior". They never say this, to the contrary, they think they are right and that they are intelligent, and the thing they are not understanding is a lie. So this kind of response is expected.I didn't say price controls will never work. There are exceptions in which they work. I said they are the obvious first idea of people who don't understand the root cause of why something is expensive, and mostly suggested by idiots.
>>528241039>top economists unable to predict recessions>top investors are no better than a coin toss at predicting the market>the richest people do not have the highest IQ>but it's actually really simple, just supply and demand broKill yourself.
>>528240340No shit sherlock.If 3 shepherds can outvote me and socrates. Famous quote.
>>528240340what happens if your government gives suddenly citizenship to foreigners so they can outvote the natives?is that what democracy is about? importing foreigners to vote for your tyrannical rule?
>>528241420You are remarkably unintelligent, and I can expose you the longer this conversation goes on. If you stop responding to me then I will stop proving it.Your first two points are about predicting future situations, whereas I am talking about understanding what is currently going on.Richest people's IQ is entirely unrelated to this, I am talking about understanding logical concepts, which definitely is related to intelligence. Being rich has nothing to do with this.Even if I didn't explicitly call you an idiot, just pointing out what you're getting wrong already makes it obvious, but since this is 4chan I will also explicitly say that you're an idiot just to top it off.
>>528241505Of course this makes things worse, in fact, those foreigners tend to come from countries in which policies are even worse than here, so their votes should lead to worse outcomes. But even with no immigrants most people are still idiots.
>>528240340>I was just reading on twitter that some guy tried to explain supply and demand to normies with a simplified example with 100 loaves of bread for 100 people etc. Normies in the comments didn't get it at all and still said the way to fix the economy is price fixing and its all corporate greed.They have been demoralized. They are incapable of grasping simple logic if it contradicts their brainwashing.See: Yuri Bezmenov
>>528241628idk man, its easy to say "they're demoralized", "they're not paying attention", "they don't want to see it". Like I said, people tend to be oblivious to the fact some other people's minds are much simpler and they can't grasp things that seem obvious. But sometimes, from the conversation and their responses, it truly feels like they actually just can't grasp the idea at all.
>>528240995Maybe they should like all decide on who the smart person is and have them run things instead.
>>528241683They would just choose a charlatan
>>528240340incredibly privileged wall of slop post
>muh supply and demandwe can print infinite money so potential of GDP growth is infinite, checkmate commie
>>528240882>They go to a grocery store, see the shelf is full, and the price, which is written on a paper that the staff in the store placed in there, its high. To them, this means that there is no scarcity but the store choose to make the price high so they have to pay more. It is very hard to overcome this first impression, but, to make matters worse, they also truly can't grasp the maths even if it is explained to them in detail.The problem is you're applying a logical conclusion to an emotional issue instilled largely by institutions through media headlines and political talking points. It's feels good and its easy to blame the local franchise shopkeeper after reading headline after headline about record breaking earnings for X grocery chain (despite roughly the same or worse margins compared to previous years). When dealing with a midwit assume you're speaking to a woman, appeal to emotion and don't reveal your power level.Truth is most of the issues regarding food scarcity is largely due to Brussels actively killing off Europes ability to be self-reliant through over regulation, taxation, high energy prices, importing demand (migrants) as well as the war in Europes bread basket (Ukraine). I have reasons to believe American corporations like blackstone were the pushing force making it a part of the neo-liberal vision of Europe. It is simply better for investors to have poverty level renting/employed farmers work the blackstone owned fields in Romania and Ukraine than an independent 5th generation farmer in the Netherlands.
>>528241377well, if you think people who hold different opinions are idiots by definition i can see why it would feel frustrating debating them. may i suggest trying to become a dictator instead of arguing on the internet? i think you can make it, you're exceptionally smart.
>>528241895idiot. its not slop i wrote this myself
>>528241972I did not say ai slop I said slop
>>528241969If it was just that their opinion is different, they would both be able to grasp the explanation of supply & demand and be able to point out the mistake in it and prove they are in fact right. But this would be like a dog understanding the blockchain and then pointing out a security vulnerability in it.
>>528241683That's what voting is, it's just that retarded people are easily bamboozled by fancy words and "sounding good", because they're incapable of understanding anything beyond outside appearances.
>>528240340>math nigger tries to apply his twisted satanic runes to the real worldthats not how it works, you pseudo intellectual spicnigger
Your spirit is being degraded by the homosexual money matrix demon, seek spritual cleansing immediately
>>528242052inelasticity? speculation? price wars? dumping? unfair distribution?supply and demand is a general principle, even chimps can understand it, but the price it sets is not always the optimum price. no one thinks this except free market bolsheviks.
>>528241943This makes total sense ngl. But I think in the end, if what we have going for us is logic, then we should appeal to logic and hope to somehow get through to them."It's not the grocery store's fault, but a systemic issue" is not a particularly emotionally compelling argument to someone who's angry about seeing an expensive price tag, but the person who is angry about the expensive price, and angry at the store because they put the price tag in there, may be persuaded by "I understand why this is happening and know a solution that most people are against because its counter intuitive".It is very hard but it is the only card we can possibly play, imo, as being logically right is the one thing libertarians have going for us.
>>528242052next have them explain social engineering techniques>anchoring>incremental framing >social context nudging >identity framing>apeal to authority/scarcity/reciprocity>identity framing>endowment effectthen ask them about what they remember about covidkekthe entire society is a jokefuck this place>"but i like what i like because i like it!"
>>528242316Mira voy a pasarte el post del que hablaba.https://x.com/dinerosinfiltro/status/2021236113763872911?s=20A lo mejor un mono podría entender oferta y demanda de la misma manera que un adolescente puede hacer integrales en el colegio, pero claramente estamos viendo que no pueden extrapolarlo y aplicarlo a situaciones reales.Por otro lado, es verdad que el mercado puede tener problemas por si solo, y que en un mercado libre la economía no va a ser necesariamente ideal. Obvio. Pero es que una cosa es eso, y otra que los progres no entiendan que AHORA, con la vivienda, hay un problema fundamental que mientras no se resuelva, cualquier cosa que el gobierno diga hacer al respecto es vacilarnos.De todas maneras, en el fondo estamos de acuerdo. Claro que la situación de la vivienda se debe a la especulación, lo que pasa es que no veis que son los políticos los que especulan, porque pueden cambiar el uso del suelo y revalorizarlo.
>>528240340>high price is "corporate greed"it is>They literally can't comprehend basic mathsit's not about understanding math, it's about understanding that science and logic has been used against us, the credit system as a whole is a scam because interest count imaginary money that hasn't been printed, that's just the more basic example, everybody is weary nowadays that anyone that comes with fancy words and mathematician models is just trying to make you fall for another scam. That's why people refuse logic based arguments now
>>528240340What is artificial scarcity.But yes, total normie death. Let they live a life full of Joy and not procreate.
>>528242810People should not be wary of logic, even if they've been tricked before, by definition if something makes logical sense they should take it seriously, plus we've been trying to explain it with very easy examples and wording and not fancy buzzwords at all.>it isidiot
>>528242923of course i am talking about artificial scarcity, but its besides the point right now whether the scarcity is artificial or natural, because they cant understand supply and demand in the first place
>>528243108nah you've been brainwash
>>528243172Ah, i see.
>>528242494no hay deficit de vivienda en españa... sobran pisos de 90m y faltan zulos de 30m que es lo que requiere la situacion socioeconomica actual. no es tan simple como construir mas...
>>528243453Sure broI was getting groceries and the cart was 50€ total, so I gave the cashier two 10€ bills. But she said that's 20€ so not enogh, and I need to give her 30 more. So made me pay more. This proves maths are a conspiracy to make people poor.
>>528243505Idiot>>528243531Es DE CAJON que con mas vivienda en el mercado, el precio bajaría, porque no es precisamente un monopolio, hay muchísimos caseros cada uno con 2 o 3 pisos como mucho. Y con mas oferta bajaría porque si o si es así matemáticamente.Como eso no os parece bastante prueba, que me dices de este gráfico? Porque la población ha estado aumentando... Es decir, la población sube, y se construye menos...
>>528243531Como se soluciona esto? Manifestaciones? Arrancar mas derechos?Hay que parar la especulación (pero de verdad, la de los políticos)
>>528243758ok campeon, y que pasa cuando el precio empieza a bajar y toda la gente y fondos que hasta ahora estaban sentados en sus viviendas vacias las saca al mercado de golpe? que pasa con todas las constructoras con proyectos sin terminar? quieres repetir 2007?
>>528243911que pasa con toda la gente que paga la hipoteca de una vivienda con el aquiler de otra (o hasta de la misma), que no es poca, cuando los precios bajan?
>>528244021Al fin te retratas. No quieres que baje el precio para que los caseros se forren a costa de gente que apenas le llega el sueldo.Sobre 2007, la causa era completamente diferente. Eso era una burbuja especulativa de verdad, y por ende, la demanda real de viviendas para vivir no existía, por tanto, ni era un problema tan fuerte como el de ahora, ni subieron tanto los alquileres, y por supuesto, llegó un momento en que explotó la burbuja, cosa que no puede pasar con demanda real de gente que quiere vivir en esas casas.
>>528244126Pues eso. Te vuelves a retratar con que perderían dinero los caseros si se permitiera construir.Pasaría que perderían dinero, lógicamente. Se les acabaría abusar de la gente en base a un monopolio impuesto por el estado.
>>528240340>Most people are oblivious to differences in cognitive ability between individualsDon't worry, I am aware of them every single day at work.>assign an absolute basic task to someone>they even have a fucking picture guide that explains it step by step>they still either managed to fuck it up, or have to call you 8 times for a 5 steps processAnd this isn't some low skill job where you have all the retards either, it's definitely mid field at lowest.I have no idea how they even ended up here. Their capabilities pretty much end at easy manual tasks, and anything that requires the least amount of thinking or paying attention is simply beyond what they can do.Yet I am forced to work with these retarded fucks anyway. I am not even allowed to just park them in a corner and tell them to shut the fuck up so I can do everything by myself. Then they go and cry to my boss that they are bored and then my boss forces me to involve them again.That shit does way more damage to my mind than any of my work tasks ever will.
>>528244146>>528244192los caseros no pueden pagar la hipoteca, los bancos no pueden recuperar el dinero con la ejecucion, se quedan sin liquidez y se para la economia.a mi tambien me dan envidia los rentistas pero creo que hay mejores soluciones a ese problema que no pasan por destruir la economia del pais y llenar todo el paisaje de rascacielos de papel carton a medio construir.por ejemplo, limitar los precios del alquiler y subir los impuestos a los propietarios.
>>528240340Stupid people (including midwits) does not understand that they are stupid. They also do not understand that you are smart. To them, you are just sprouting some incomprehensible bullshit whenever you say something that requires high IQ to understand. Stupid people and midwits produce bullshit all the time themselves. Also, stupid people and midwits cannot think in abstract terms. They can therefore not judge the plausibility of hypotheticals. It also means that they have a very limited or nonexisting understanding of causality. Voting for parties that push open borders and seeing a lot of foreigners on the streets have no connection at all.
>>528240510>The people who didn't give a shit about Jews before 2025 sure are the loudest.If nothing else, these sudden changes as they get an update on their beliefs is a good way of figuring out which of the people around you are just soulless meat bags. I noticed the same thing a couple years back when the Ukraine war became the [current thing] and some idiots went from "stop being so russophobic, Russians are actually pretty chill" to "I wish Russia attacked Finland too, I really want to kill some Russians"
>>528240340how do you know those are not trolls or activists?anyone can comprehend anything given enough time. iq tests have a time limit because given enough time, people will solve right.if i, a retarded thirdie, can understand how the fractional reserve system causes inflation, anyone can understand anything.
>>528244365Pero vamos a ver. Que no estoy pidiendo que se expropie nada a nadie. No estoy pidiendo que se regale nada, ni que se imponga nada. Estoy pidiendo que se permita construir, eso no es ni envidia ni destruir absolutamente nada.Eres tu el que quieres vivir del cuento. Sin privilegios políticos se te acabaría el explotar a la gente.Al principio pensaba que eras idiota, resulta que eres un rentista.
>>528240340Cattle became retarded since the vaxx because of vaxx dementia.It explains everything
>>528244365>por ejemplo, limitar los precios del alquiler y subir los impuestos a los propietarios.esto es mas malabares y tonterias que no solucionan que falte oferta. es como en el ejemplo, si hay 100 panes y 110 personas, cualquier payasada que se inventen que no sea mas pan, es vacilar a la gente
>>528241943There's definitely also some price rigging going on for certain products, where the manufacturer went>Everything got more expensive, lets just try to slip in some extra profits for us and blame it on inflation and bureaucracy, not like the masses would be able to tell, lol!But that is also self-regulating for the most part because there are a lot of suppliers and people can see when one product goes up way faster than the others.Milka has to run basically non-stop sales nowadays because people here for the most part simply refuse to pay that price anymore, because other chocolate did not increase by the same amount.So, again, supply and demand fixes the issue - Milka was trying to pull a fast one, but the market forces are reigning them back in over the mid term.People also forget that they can simply not buy shit that is too expensive. Basic ingredients will always be cheaper than microwavable slop. And if they have time to bitch about the prices on Facebook, they also have the time to just dice potatoes for a few minutes.
>>528243566people been hearing solutions and promises and voting on their best hopes for decades and things only get worse and worse. That's the context we are at. You are here reasoning economics and you might be right on all of it for all I care, but the fact of the matter is that politics is an institution whose job is to keep people infighting, they promise solutions but they create problems. immigration is a bioweapon and they use the left is justify it. What I'm getting at is that no one is here to solve the problem, that's not how reality works, the political class is a coverup for people whose job is to keep people infighting, that's it. that's the redpill, that's the end of the discussion, and that is why people refuse to see logic nowadays
>>528241683how would an idiot be able to judge if someone is smart or just bluffing?just look at detective stories written by the average midwit and you quickly realize that they can't.
>>528244493Para la gente leyendo. Si TU no eres un rentista, pero estas en contra de que se construya mas, eres idiota y te mereces ser pobre y miserable como castigo. Y cobrar 2000 euros y pagar 800 de alquiler también es ser pobre y miserable.
>>528241628>They have been demoralized. They are incapable of grasping simple logic if it contradicts their brainwashing.They have been taught to believe things that are obvious lies. Since normies have a very weak connection to the real world they eventually become irreversibly deranged from believing lies. Normies are group thinkers that derive their world view from repeated social programming, not from observing and analysing the world. Christianity was the first major jewish bezmenovian demoralization vector, pushing the obvious lie that the jews are gods chosen people and the jew god is the only real god. When a normie has entered the derangedness state, he believes that reality is completely shaped by social consensus and that anyone who disagrees is mentally ill. Normie exists on a lower level of self awareness than someone who can observe reality directly.
>>528244493>>528244568bueno, a ti no te dan envidia. a mi si me la dan. ya me gustaria vivir del cuento como ellos... pero no voy a destruir la economia del pais por eso.el tema de la vivienda es delicado y complejo. es un mercado muy regulado y las leyes de oferta y demanda son una simplificacion extremadamente burda del sistema. estimular la construccion no solo posiblemente suba los precios (como paso cuando aznar liberalizo la recalificacion de terrenos y las cajas se pusieron a repartir hipotecas como caramelos) sino que definitivamente hara que la siguiente caida de precios cause un desastre aun mas gordo.
>>528242810Its much more than that. I've been thinking of writing a book explaining how things work, including the most basic jew scams. But it would be unpublishable in Sweden due to our hate speech laws.
>>528240995>This has been true since the ancient Greeks who considered it the absolute worst form of governanceYou didn't read Plato. Tyranny is below democracy.
>>528241505>is that what democracy is about?Modern democracy is exclusively about shifting blame.Look at the shit they are pulling - do you think their heads would still be attached to their shoulders if they went>Well, fuck you guys, we have decided that this is what we want to do and you get no say in it?But with ""democracy"", they can claim it wasn't their decision, they are just doing what their constituents want them to do. If you take offense with their actions, duke it out with the 51% of the population who voted for them!Democracies original purpose was to lessen the risk of violent conflict by making it obvious how the forces are aligned so that no one gets any dumb ideas, but that only works when the weight of each vote is influenced by that person's ability/influence/power and so on.When every retard has the exact same vote, that advantage disappears. After all, why would I care if 20% of the population votes for castrating me if I know it's all 90yo women? I could beat thousands of those on my own.
>>528244997>You didn't read Plato. Tyranny is below democracy.Democracy in ancient Hellas was for free men only. Much better than what we have now, but still considered a disaster then.
