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Sure, you can assume feminism = misandry. But there are posts on here, and the moderators directly approve of posts that JUST allude to direct misandry with plausible deniability or some justification by being a victim. it's almost comical, if you use the right language but just say "men should just go to prison and prove themselves out <emoji> <emoji>" I guarantee you; you'd get approval.

It's so extreme that I genuinely think there is some agenda beyond feminism, that's designed to have women sabotage their own lives and be propagandized into being single and doing things that would make them a terrible partner on purpose so that they remain single and then feeding them more cope to keep them that way. There is so much to unpack, they NEVER regret breaking up (ok? how is that statistically possible), the double standards are literally barely hidden and visible; pointing it out gets your comment deleted, and so much more shit im too lazy to tell.

I genuinely think it's actually designed purposely to sabotage women for their loss.
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>>528783833
>Is there some hidden agenda to promote misandry?
It's called television
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>>528783833
Yeah man, sorry but women are not capable of making good use of their freedom; our economy is built out of pretending the exact opposite though.
Whores, kikes and niggers contribute consumption to avert a crisis of overproduction. US has been socialist for 60 years.
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>>528783833
Post proof or gtfo
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>>528784229
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomenOver30/comments/1qukiyh/i_dont_really_enjoy_mens_presence_around_me/

they're very easy to look for lol
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>>528784272
That's not misandry, that's just women being women, aka retarded
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>>528783833
I haven't seen that one but every post on r/twoxchromosomes is some variation of "my husband is a lazy selfish retarded fat fuck manchild who is scared to wash his ass because he thinks it will make him gay. why are all men disgusting assholes who need to be killed?" and they all get 10 gorillion updoots frontpage
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>>528783833
>hidden
nothing about it is hidden. it's an intrinsic part of the female mind which stems from the combination of their sense of superiority and inability to self-reflect.
they think they are better than men, but every day is filled with countless evidence that they are not, and it just really makes them hate men.
amplified by the fact that they all try to date 5 leagues above their own and thus only get pumped & dumped, and the media presenting men as nothing but worthless sniveling retards and spineless fools.
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The situation with modern women has gotten totally out of hand.
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>>528785714
>there's an update to that story
glad the guy actually ditched her.
the original story was nothing but
>I have been a degenerate all my life
>everyone I have been interacting with has been a degenerate too
>now this guy is not a degenerate and he's the best thing that ever happened to me!
>but he takes offense with me being a degenerate
>tell me how I can mindbreak him into becoming just as morally corrupted as I am
>because I don't give a shit what he wants, this is about me and me alone
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>>528785858
Yeah it was fucked, one of the responses in particular was brutal.
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>>528785714
>>528785858
also
>I cheated on the guy
>he was generous enough to just leave it as "we are not compatible" instead of telling me to my face that I'm a whore
>of course, being a woman, I would not accept that and demanded specifics, despite knowing perfectly well what the reason was
>so he stated the reason
>I cannot believe he did that, now I'm upset
women never have the sense to just take the exit door you provide them with, even if they didn't deserve getting one. they could just save face and leave as they have been told to, but instead they have to self-detonate by making you spell it out
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>>528785997
Yeah this stuff is horrifying to me and I sometimes just can't not look away like it's a horrific car crash or something. Women like this, that do this, are like aliens to me and I can't relate to this behaviour at all, at the same time it's absolutely brutal to imagine and at the moment there's no guardrails on this behaviour so men either don't want to partner up with them, are extremely averse to shit behavior if they do, or just go for women that are younger out of a hope they're not fried.... except the woman in that story was 24, except had been doing that shit from when she was 20.

There are some bangers in this "genre" though. One of my favorites was a guy finding out his fiance was a total fuck fiend for another guy, she didn't want to put out for the fiance, so he demotes her to fuckbuddy and she's genuinely, actually surprised that he responded that way.
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>>528785181
>my husband is a lazy selfish retarded fat fuck manchild
But remember, women love kind, respectful and responsible men.
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>>528786326
Yeah.
This was entirely on her. She's a whore, and she cheated on him. There was zero fault on his side.
Despite that, he was generous enough to provide her with an offer where they pretend they are just not compatible, so it's kinda both their fault, and no one's fault.
Instead of having the sense to take the offer, she insisted that he needs to tell her in explicit detail why he doesn't want her whore ass.

I guess it might be a defense mechanism though. If she takes his offer, she might be saving face, but at the same time, she knows it was her own fault so that will always weigh on her soul.
So instead she tries to bait him into saying something hurtful so she can convince herself that he's the villain and she did nothing wrong.

Most women are just incredibly shitty people.

>actually surprised that he responded that way.
Kek, this one will never stop baffling me.
>woman fucks you over in some nasty way
>you decide that enough is enough and make her suffer consequences for it
>"What the fuck?! How can he do that?!"
What the fuck did she think would happen, kek
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>>528786326
>One of my favorites was a guy finding out his fiance was a total fuck fiend for another guy, she didn't want to put out for the fiance, so he demotes her to fuckbuddy and she's genuinely, actually surprised that he responded that way.
post it?
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>>528785989
Out of respect for the lurkers I just realized I posted the update, this picture is the original story.

>>528786715
Ok after this I'll find it.
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>>528786715
Here.
Also the more you read it the more you realize how totally selfish and solipsistic this person is.
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>>528785714
>>528786326
>>528786994
>>528787170
holy shit man.
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>>528786994
>>528787170
I feel like when people wank themselves over teenage love, what they actually mean is dating someone with similar sexual experience, or a similar lack thereof.
Even a girl with two past partners could potentially have been some guy's cumsock who did everything with him but will only do vanilla missionary with you because, apparently, she didn’t like it despite having done it dozens of times.
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>>528783833
>hidden
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>>528787721
>I feel like when people wank themselves over teenage love, what they actually mean is dating someone with similar sexual experience, or a similar lack thereof.
This, but normies will never understand this because they have always had access to people and sex
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>>528783833
>hidden

point and laugh gentlemen..... point and laugh.
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>>528787170
because he gave her the feeling that she will never have to take responsibility for anything around him, even if it was her fault.
that's also why she denied him any sexual exploration, despite clearly being into it. on some level, she saw the guy as an easily exploited cuck she can just mine for favors, and she also instinctively knew that this will end if she lets him fuck her in the ass, because how would she pretend to be his superior after she did that, kek. same reason it was him who had to be between her legs while she apparently either outright refused to blow him, or only did it very rarely.
it's just a general defect in women's psyche. if you are nice to them, they assume that could only possibly be that way because you are their inferior (because they'd never be nice to anyone but their superior), and to not lose out on you being nice to them, they will from then on deny you as many situations as possible where you could feel like you are dominating her, to keep you under their boot.

it's why you can't really start a relationship by being nice to women. you need to make it abundantly clear who of you sits on top of them social hierarchy, and then after she has acknowledged that, you can be nice to her.
otherwise her woman-brain will destroy that relationship without fail long term.

Also, women just need to realize that it's over the moment the guy starts acting distant. There's no salvaging it anymore at that point. If that happens for more than just a few days, it means you killed off any positive emotions he ever held for you, and nothing can bring them back again.
It doesn't matter if you offer him any depraved acts after he reached that point because he knows you only do it to manipulate him.
Contrary to the memes, it is men who are romantic and not women, so it goes over very fucking badly when the guy realizes he was being used and manipulated, with the entire relationship being transactional.
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>>528785181
Does washing your own ass make you gay?
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>>528787882
good show, starfighter....

not that you asked, but FYI, the MCShitMansion epidemic is caused because of investment firms being the primary homebuyers in the U.S., so construction companies are making these shittified abominations to sell to these investment firms at horrendously overpriced markups.
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>>528787721
>I feel like when people wank themselves over teenage love, what they actually mean is dating someone with similar sexual experience, or a similar lack thereof.
Yeah, that is pretty much it. Teenage love is fairly shallow since it is mostly just lust. Both of your are full of hormones, both of you are at your physical peak, so you shag like rabbits. And on top of that, if you're each other's first, you can do so without any of the horrendous emotional baggage that comes from picking up someone else's leftovers and being asked to treat them like the most important aspect of your life.

At least if the girl who says she doesn't want any kinky sex acts was a virgin when you first slept with her, you know that no other guy got it from her, either.
It might still be a power game from her side and she might do it with some other guy later down the road if your relationship doesn't last, but you aren't by proxy submitting to some random fuckboy.

Women with "experience" are a massive fucking pain in the ass because they are emotionally damaged from that experience, and it turns into nothing but destructive manipulative games.
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>>528788446
>It doesn't matter if you offer him any depraved acts after he reached that point because he knows you only do it to manipulate him.
>Contrary to the memes, it is men who are romantic and not women

Yeah, that shit is absolutely fucked nobody wants to feel like the guy that got picked last at soccer practice. Plus it is worst-level disrespect for a guy to find out that he's been doing all the courtship routines, only to find some other guy hit earlier and she gave him everything he wanted.
Also, the amount of times I've read these stories and whoring is treated as "I was in a dark place", is so fucking pathetic. Just admit you wanted to fuck and now the party is over.
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>>528788924
>Also, the amount of times I've read these stories and whoring is treated as "I was in a dark place", is so fucking pathetic.
Yeah, it's bullshit. They enjoyed the sex, and that's why they kept coming back for more. The actual reason is that the guy they did all that stuff with was the dominant part of the relationship, and he eventually left them.
They never got over it, so now they are trying to dominate the new guy and make him feel like as much of a cucked loser as possible, because they think that means he will stay.

I could look past a slut's prior behavior, under the condition that she stays loyal to me (unlikely to happen of course, given her past behavior) and that she acts like a slut for me, too.
I am not going to beg for crumbs from someone who threw the loafs of bread out by the hundreds for free in the past. A relationship is supposed to be a positive addition to your life, something that gives you a bedrock you can rely on. Even if for guys, that bedrock is only that he knows that no matter how shit things might be going in other aspects of life, when he comes back home there's a woman who looks up to him anyway. That is easily enough to give him the motivation to bulldoze through all other setbacks and obstacles.

But having to ask for something that you know other guys got for zero effort is just humiliating. Why would you inflict this upon yourself.
And on some level, women understand this, too. That's why they lie about it and try to hide it.
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>>528783833
Plebbit is a bugman NPC troglodyte chesspool
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The operator must be a Korean woman. She was caught doing the same thing in Japan.
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>>528784272
men are the number predators of other men and of women, though
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Judaism is gynocratic, matrilineal, with a religious obligation for men to please their wives that isn't reciprocal.
The men are branded.
It spawned feminism.
The jewish question is the woman question.
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>>528783833
>designed to have women sabotage their own lives
even in your mind: men life in peril, women's life most affected
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>>528783833
The jewosh goal is to have women be wage slaves and to have men be actual gulag slaves.
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>>528792060
/thread
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>>528786994
i've seen this cold attitude to sex many times
>guy fucks girl once
>guy wants to be in a relationship
>girl not happy about receiving attention from him
>her friends have to explain that he means absolutely nothing to her, and the sex was no more important than scratching an itch
also, they all keep their options open.
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There are entire forums dedicated to crying and complaining about women, including /pol/
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>>528783833
Of course, they are trying to divide white men and white women.
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>>528787170
For any of the moral crusaders here, this type of shit is how most men get on the sex offender registry, not diddling children.
Women know most people see it as a pedo list and weaponized it.
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>>528783833
>there is some agenda beyond feminism, that's designed to have women sabotage their own lives and be propagandized into being single
Yes, 100%. Women have gone absolutely insane.
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>>528783833
>pic related
Why would any one want to do that?
You get the same shit from 16 year olds but atleast they are plesant to be around.
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>>528787170
that's why you never marry a woman who doesn't fuck you at the first date.
pol always wants a virgin who wants to wait. But when a woman can wait, it mean's she's not that into you.

it's good he found out in time. If he likes blowjobs he should not marry a woman who claims she doesn't like blowjobs.
even if she really doesnt like it and just doesnt like your dick, it won't be a healthy relationship
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>>528791410
Koreans really do want to copy jewish behavior.
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>>528791814
>police refuse to punish women for crimes
>'see women aren't in our crime statistics that's why we got to punish men harder!'
This is called a self fulfilling prophecy.
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>>528792921
I think every time someone says something like you did we should just start dumping the tea app leaks.
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>>528785714
the guy should have just told her that he considered her a low value woman. it would have cut out a lot of the nonsense.
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>>528783833
ask women over 30? ive never seen a reddit poised to ruin women lives so blatantly. why would you ever listen to a used up broken woman who spends her time on reddit holy fuck. absolute sabotage.
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>>528783833
I hate that place reddit is a toxic place ask a question and they all come after you. 4chan is a better place.
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>>528784272
Ask any question on ask women and it gets ether removed or just devolves into this shit fest. Ask men was good now not so good, it's all a shit fest
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>>528783833
>partner
Kys faggot
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>>528783833
It just pisses me off that I'm going to be dying alone a hhkv permavirgin because women have become both hypersexual but also misandrist in nature.
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>>528792921
We are just repeating their own retarded words back at them here
Funny how that makes them seethe
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>>528783915
It's call kikes and they are attacking on all fronts not just TV
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>>528793460
>You should marry a whore
Ahhh Germany....
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>>528783833
Last night I tried watching the Shane black movie from last year with mark wahlberg as a thief. No fewer than 3 times in the first 15 minutes did a young attractive woman make a nasty bitch out insult to some hapless white male who wanted to fuck her. All 3 were so blatant and out of the blue it was painful to watch, I turned the movie off
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>>528783833
>agenda beyond feminism
It's the elimination of the family as a shield against government influence.
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>hidden
It’s called modern feminism. Flirting is indistinguishable from sexual assault. Don’t look or talk to women sir. But the only way women expect you to interact with then is friendly unless you want to flirt which they also want, because they want you to be obsessed with them which is also creeper behavior.
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>>528787170
brutal, this is what you get for not fucking everything you can when you are younger.
you gain literal nothing for saving yourself as a man except suffering.
fuck anything and everything worth putting your dick in and do everything you can to anyone you can.
good on him for opening the relationship, and 1000% hes leaving that bitch when he finds a hot girl who WILL do all that shit with him.

i like how the therapist just reinforces the dumb bitches position even though shes in the wrong, female therapists are even worse than their friends.
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>>528783833
>Is there some hidden agenda to promote misandry?
Not really, it's just how women are. You can keep coping and attributing their inborn hatred of men to anything ranging from life experience to ideology, which is basically magical thinking, but it won't change the reality of it, which is that they just fucking hate you because it feels right and they've never changed actually.
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>>528788446
Pretty much this. Women have no agency and they will do anything in bed to please the man they actually love. The fact that they went to counselling and came up with the retarded feminist spiel of "you can say no, muh boundaries" is just insulting towards Dan. A cheap lie to keep him under her dominion. Suddenly the issue is her autonomy not that she actually felt attracted to Steve and wanted to please him in any way like a normal woman would.

>Also, women just need to realize that it's over the moment the guy starts acting distant.
I call it the "male ick". You can say whatever words you want but if a man is disgusted by your behaviour it's over, can't change that feeling.

Dating millenial roasties is fucking horrifying. They come with feminist ego issues which makes any relationship unbearable.
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>Is there some hidden agenda to promote misandry?
Not really, it’s more of a byproduct of the general Jewish tradition of promoting destruction and negativity within societies.
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>>528794287
That's true, but jews can only work with what you have on offer.
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>>528794063
you should marry a woman with a healthy sex drive that is directed towards you. because that results in a healthy relationship.

or you marry a woman you hold hands with for 6 months and have a dead bedroom marriage.

yes, you should marry a woman who wants to be a whore - for you.
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Semen retention/nofap is the only thing that fixed this bs for me. Had to reshape my perspective to convince myself I'm the prize with abundance mentality, being able to walk away any time, and telling myself I make the rules now.

My wife does almost everything I want but it took work. I had to shake up everything and explain the new standards. It's on them to shape up or ship out. Not much different to the man child bs we get.
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>>528783833
Misandry on reddit is pretty tame, mostly because it needs to be expressed in moderation cause they'll get banned or get lots of downcummies. Try crystal cafe.
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>>528794381
Anon it's not like there are just whores and borderline nuns available on the dating market you know?
Sure you want to get a little experimental in bed at some point but holy fucking shit if you think a woman that gets plowed on a first date is a wife material then I wish you luck in your life because you clearly gonna need a lot of it.
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>>528788763
> if the girl who says she doesn't want any kinky sex acts was a virgin when you first slept with her, you know that no other guy got it from her, either.
This. Also, virgins who want kinky sex acts are a massive red flag. They’re either abuse victims (not necessarily sexual abuse, but definitely some form) or porn addicts (not video gooners like men, usually in the form of excessive reading of femsmut or having an AI boyfriend).

In either case, avoid.
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>>528787170
I’m cackling at the part where’re she’s like
>steven hasn’t been promoted
No responsibility whatsoever. Nope, it’s because Steve is insecure, what a loser! Hahahaha. God I hate women
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>>528794259
>The fact that they went to counselling and came up with the retarded feminist spiel of "you can say no, muh boundaries" is just insulting towards Dan
Yeah, pretty much.
It's just the natural outcome of their hypergamy I guess. Women only feel attraction for a very few selected men, and they will do whatever they can to grab that guy's attention.
But at the same time, the majority of women are also way beneath those guy's league, so they will never ever get him to stay around and provide.
So eventually they settle for some guy they aren't attracted to but who is willing to actually commit to them.
That deal might be acceptable if the guy at least knew that he was her first and only. Then it doesn't matter that much if she's not entirely into him, because he is still the only man in the world who had her, no other guy can touch her anymore (if society actually enforces the marriage contract), and that counts for something.

But with modern women, they almost all fucked some guy they were actually attracted to and then decide to attach themselves to a guy they wouldn't fuck if they could avoid it.
And that deal is just disgustingly offensive.
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there is an agenda behind reddit
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>>528795417
Kek, yeah. It's just the usual scapegoat seeking women do.
Dan was too calm and nice despite what she did, so she couldn't turn him into the villain.
But she also cannot accept that it was her fault, she NEEDS someone else to be responsible for this.
So now the issue isn't that she lied to Dan and tried to turn him into some cucked beta provider, the issue is that Steve exposed her lies.

After my initial anger at the guy had calmed down, I'd probably be thankful towards Steve if I were in Dan's shoes, kek.
He was about to marry a woman who lied to him from the beginning, and who explicitly lied to him because she knew what would happen if he learns the truth.
It's basically the female version of rape. Rape is just a person taking what they want (in a sexual situation) against the will of the other side. Men take sex while disregarding the other side's wishes, women take commitment.
They just can't do it through violence since they are weak, so instead they take it through lies and manipulation.

None of these stories ever go
>Damn I really hurt my bf and I feel bad for it, it wasn't intentional, does anyone have an idea how I can atone for it in a way that makes him enjoy spending time with me again?
It's always
>I hid something from my bf to get into a relationship that would have otherwise never existed or ended very quickly, and he found out. How do I best gaslight him into thinking that the fault lies with him and that he's in the wrong for taking offense with this?
Demonic creatures.
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>>528794951
I'm just warning you. It's literally in the reddit post. the woman said she doesnt want to do oral and other kinky things with her beloved fiance.
the things she did with her fwb.

but she behaved orderly and tame in front of her fiance. Because she didn't crave his cock.

Thats why you only marry a woman who treats you the way this reddit woman treated her fwb.

>if you think a woman that gets plowed on a first date is a wife material then I wish you luck in your life because you clearly gonna need a lot of it.

I am a woman. the best relationship was with the guy I fucked the same day I met him. because I was sexually really into him. and even if we had an argument in our relationship it didn't stop us from having sex. For me only a sexually healthy relationship is a worthy relationship and I would never again waste a mans life if I don't want to lay my hands on him at the first date. because then it means there simply isn't enough raw attraction
Yeah, a woman may risk her muh reputation if she does it. But if you're not worthy enough for her to risk her reputation, then she's not meant for you. a woman who's really into you doesn't care abiut anything except about being with you. men who don't feel flattered and only think muh she's a whore, I will marry the frigid one instead are in for a rude awakening
Or maybe they're low testo. High T men want to have sex and be rebellious and not go on walks for weeks like a granny before actually having sex
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>>528794249
too many anons have that 90s whimsical bs when women and men always have had their reproduction strategies at odds and there can never be cooperation, one always rules

> but anon my wife...

your relationship is in the context of a matriarchy so of course they feel in control
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>>528796008
>im a woman bro
>just select a woman with no self control
>nothing bad will happen
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Yaul are obsessed with women who don't like yaul, fucking embarrassing, plenty of pickme's but yaul focused on women who are over your shit. women have there spaces, yaul just mad cause your not women.
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>>528795975
A few weeks ago I’d been talking to a women on hinge, 29. I liked her. Then when we’re making plans for a date, she casually drops that she’s still living in her soon to be ex husband’s house and hangs with his friends. I was polite in breaking it off but seriously, what the fuck? Talk about burying the lead.
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>>528796430
>yaul
>3 times
What the hell
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>>528794058
>>528783915
>>528783968
>>528785714
these women are never going to find someone they're happy with if they stay like that
https://youtu.be/ZppGy-2dvN4

stop watching television, movies, shows too, they fill your minds with garbage
https://youtu.be/nFQO5GCXQ34
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>>528796313
a woman who wants to have sex with you has no self respect?
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>>528796545
He said self control, not self respect. He has a point, putting out too quickly suggests you’d do that for some other guy down the line if you’re out with your friends and drunk or something
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>>528796545
“self control” and “self respect” aren’t the same thing. are you a bot?
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>>528783833
>Is there some hidden agenda to promote misandry?

Probably, Epstein discussed 4chan with Moot, Jizz Lane was a top predditor mod and Epstein wanted to eliminate the entirety of poor people and on the email, he and others discussed 'ideas' on how to do it, so I wouldn't be surprised if making women unpalatable to men is part of it AND making men unpalatable to women IN THEIR MINDS too.
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>>528783833
YOU ARE HELLA LATE TO THE PARTY. Anyone with a brain would've put this together 11 years ago.
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>>528793460
>that's why you never marry a woman who doesn't fuck you at the first date.
I would prefer to say "who doesn't WANT to fuck you at the first date". Because I will be honest, I think the slow-burn of a romantic pursuit makes it far more appealing. The emotional connection needs to be there and having memories to build up to the moment of climax (literally too lol).

But I will admit, it's also fun to tease her about it possibly happening then pulling back at the last second hehe. I think it should be more of a dance rather than jumping into it you know? That being said, I prefer the "organic" development of relationships which is basically just a friendship with flirtation and unspoken interest that gets acted on more and more.
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>>528783833
Nah.
Men don't need any help in catching a bad rep.
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>>528796008
>might actually be a woman
hope you find a good husband anon
Germany needs you
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>>528783833
honesty, who cares what women think
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>>528783833
yeah duh of course it is by design, jews don't want white people reproducing it is depopulation. Reddit like tiktok is a place designed to mentally destroy people. The other races don't have this problem while white women are the most privileged ass-kissed demographic in the entire world. These women are all deranged and have totally fucked up lives, it's too late for them to change their worldview because their entire social structure is built on it so all they can do is keep doubling down on men being the reason their lives are shit. Even though at this point most of them probably are not around men that much.
As they get older and run harder into the wall they will just get crazier and more demented like literal witches. I have a couple batshit insane 60 year old cat ladies in my neighborhood who run around screaming everyone is trying to murder them.

Go read some of these reddit niggers profiles. Whenever I see a really crazy one I take a few minutes to see what kind of person would talk like this and it really puts things in perspective. They are always totally fucked up wackjobs with broken families massive constant drama and fighting with everyone. Hating men is the tip of the iceberg for their problems.
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>>528796687
it's light green on beige background

>>528796590
and that's where you're wrong, at least in many cases. or it's a bold assumption. you could as well believe she's doing it extra for you.
I would never again ltd a man who doesn't put out at the first date. I've tested both ways, conservative and instinctual - Instinct >>> Manners.
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>>528796790
>That being said, I prefer the "organic" development of relationships which is basically just a friendship with flirtation and unspoken interest that gets acted on more and more.
That kinda got destroyed by smartphones. It worked in the past where women's social circle was small enough that they could take their time, because there were few options anyway.
But nowadays, she will have a dozen suitors in her pocket at all times, and her female nature will not allow her to pick just one she likes rather than trying to figure out which of them is "the best".
So she will rush everything and preferably even double or triple time it to try and get through the highest amount of men she can to filter out the best one (she'll end with none because she won't be able to decide until she is suddenly left with no decent suitors at all)
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>>528796934
Okay that’s your choice just don’t whine when his instinct is to smack you around for getting his semantics wrong
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>>528796934
>I would never again ltd a man who doesn't put out at the first date
Men don't really "put out", since men aren't being actively pursued.
If any sex happens doesn't depend on the question if he wants to or not, but on the question if the woman wants it or not.
And if he isn't certain what the answer will be yet, he might decide to take it slower so he doesn't burn an opportunity that might have otherwise worked out by being too pushy.

If you exclusively filter for guys who insist on sex during the first day, you'll pretty much filter exclusive for muh dick fuckboys.
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>>528796790
>I would prefer to say "who doesn't WANT to fuck you at the first date". Because I will be honest, I think the slow-burn of a romantic pursuit makes it far more appealing.

I agree. But then there actually needs to be that romantic, flirty, sexual slow burn.
If you simply just like each other and get along, but no butterflys, then it's not enough imho
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>>528797057
>Men don't really "put out", since men aren't being actively pursued.

sexually they are.
you will rarely see a woman approaching a guy, but when the guy gets her on a date, it is entirely possible she will initiate sex, if she's into him
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>>528796942
>That kinda got destroyed by smartphones. It worked in the past where women's social circle was small enough that they could take their time, because there were few options anyway.
im sure it's rarer but it still happens if you look for it. people are upfront about meeting on dating apps, it's not something to hide about (e.g "we met online"); if you ask around you'll hear a few meetcute-like ways people have gotten together. All of my girlfriends have been met in this manner. Albeit, I was never someone that desired casual sex in the first place so I was turned off by dating apps in the get go; and someone's looks doesn't tell me about their emotional compatibility at all. And ontop of that if they're not a good texter that's verbose you don't get enough context on their personality that could be derived from their body language and whatnot.

It still happens, there's plenty of guys and gals look for it. You only need to meet one. Do you read romance novels?
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>>528796977
I hope every one of you will experience it so you'll know what I'm talking about.
trust your guts, not just your dick. but dont use your brain too much
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>>528796934
>the best relationship was with the guy I fucked the same day I met him
Surely you married him and bore several of his children, right? And that’s why we should take your advice, because it’s led to success for the man who did it with you?
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>>528797058
>If you simply just like each other and get along, but no butterflys, then it's not enough imho
that's just platonic, agreed! that's why it's important for people to learn how to read signals.
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>>528793158
You don't think sending private porn videos, counts as a sex offense?
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>>528783833
Sometimes I listen to this psychiatrist lady on YouTube Dr. Hannah Spier.

She got kicked out of the Swiss hospital system for writing anti feminist stuff and just does a small private practice now.

She said she's noticed a growing subset of female patients who are very difficult to work with because they latch on to feminist ideology and use it as a way to avoid self reflection or taking accountability for their choices or thought patterns.
It's all
>I'm perfect the way I am. Society and patriarchy is the problem. I don't need to change, everyone else needs to change to accommodate and validate ME

And if she pushed back against it they'd just drop her and find a different therapist who'd act as a yes-man
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>>528787170
The bf is a faggot.
If what he wanted in life was sex experiences, then he should've dumped her and found another gf.
This sulking and bitching to get what he wants, is fucking childish.
She doesn't owe him the sex acts she's done in the past.
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>>528797298
Pissing behind a dumpster counts as a sex offence. His point isn’t that it’s okay to send unsolicited porn to people, it’s that the punishment for doing so is vastly disproportionate to the crime.
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>>528797142
yeah, the same handful of man every other woman is actively pursuing, kek
I mean, good luck to you I guess, but it seems unlikely that you'll get any of them to commit.
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The relationship subreddits are all creative writing exercises, trolls, troons, and 450lb mentally ill women. Don't take anything you read seriously.
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>>528797220
no, he was too crazy and turned out to be abusive. men tell each other not to stick dick into crazy. but women should try not to hop on crazy dick too. because men can be mentally ill too, not just women.
but until the very end, the sex life was healthy
If sex is important for you, find a woman who's dtf YOU and you will never have a problem with sex in your relationship. that's my advice and it's correct.
if you dont believe me stop posting in threads about women not wanting to do anal with their husband, only with their fwb
only make a woman your wife who wants to do these things with you (if its relevant for you)
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>>528797423
every man can be a Chad for a certain woman. you just need to find her.
women like different types, just like men
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>>528797445
that's what I thought too, but it happens so often that it's clearly not done to circlejerk about some fantasy they're not living. these women are making real decisions based on fundamentals that are produced in an echo-chamber that is so extreme. I would not be surprised if there is a blackpill insiders that are moderators on these feminist subreddits to promote further sabotage, and honestly that would be genius; either way they're working against themselves. Ironically they're making the case better for men that way, I think it should continue as these toxic women filter themselves out.
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>>528794245
I can only speak for myself. I haven't been saving myself. I'm just afraid of women and don't trust them. A woman can say anything about a man and everyone will simply choose to believe her. Modern women have weaponized it. I don't wanna interact with people like this.
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>>528785714
Very proud he insta dumped her ass, a lot of guys fold like origami when the waterworks manipulation starts
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>>528797471
> he was too crazy and turned out to be abusive
So you made an entirely predictable mistake with the “fuck on first date” strategy. Why would anyone want to commit to a woman who’s made these kind of mistakes?

You’ve tempered your advice down to “there needs to be butterflies” in later posts, which there does, because nobody has the patience for endless coffee dates and walks by the lake, but you shouldn’t come here telling these retards to ditch women who don’t fuck on day one.
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>>528797367
Yeah, my uncle's wife is similar.
One of the few woman I know who I'd consider to be smart, and who is capable of self-reflection to a normal degree.
She works a social job and she hates having to work with women because of how unreasonable they are. It doesn't matter how objectively they are in the wrong and how much it is their own fault, they will always twist the situation to make everyone else into the villain while they are the perpetual victim.
You can't help someone who is unwilling to even acknowledge what's causing the problems, but she's being paid to do so so she has to waste time on these crazy cunts anyway, despite knowing that it will never lead anywhere.
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>>528794162
>modern feminism
All waves of feminism were bad, simp.
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>>528797394
>She doesn't owe him the sex acts she's done in the past.

If we're going by that logic - men don't owe relationships to women who did anal with other men but refuse to do it with them.
Any reason for breaking up is legitimate. No one owes each other anything.
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>>528797548
>every man can be a Chad for a certain woman
No. And you aren't doing those guys any favors by spouting such bullshit. All you are doing is wasting their time. Some balding manlet who is shy because he never had any success with women before (making his shyness completely reasonable and anything else would border on mental illness) would never be a Chad for any woman, even if he goes through all 4.5bn who exist on this planet.



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