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>>528840999Checked.To your question, overwhelm the capability of the CSG to intercept and strike a blow. Using more and better munitions can increase the chance.If a war breaks out the US air force will ahve a lot of operations to perform. Working on Iranian air defence, performing strikes on Iran, guarding or interception munitions in other areas.The carrier is just as up to be struck as any airfield in range. It being able to move just complicates striking it.
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>>528841426To hit moving targets you need payload that can maneuver during terminal approach. For IRBMs that pretty much means some form of HGV. I think there were claims by the Iranians that theyre developing or deploying such systems, but it's not a capability they've demonstrated. I'd be kinda doubtful, it's a pretty complex thing.They could launch fucktons of conventional AShMs and hope one gets through, though I doubt the carriers would get in range for most of those.
>>528841227Thanks for the breadyivT*lmud denounced TND TKD THD TMD TTD TRUTSH TSK TSM TSB Forcefed Naganon with enclomifene
>>528841697>To hit moving targets you need payload that can maneuver during terminal approach.Shaheds have terminal maneuvers. Instead of being Hypersonic, they can just outnumber the defending interceptors. This method was successfully used by Yemen, and Iran has many, many more. Shaheds can also be launched from a rack on the back of a pickup truck, so good luck trying to target launch sites.
>>528841227Thanks for the breadZ
>>528841883I don't see Geran like suicide drones working against carrier strike groups, even in massive numbers. The CIWS alone should make short work of them.
>>528841883At the very least, this would likely force the US to reassign air assets to defeat these drones; meanwhile, other drones are hitting US bases that are defenseless without air superiority.>>528842197I doubt they'd want to let the drones get close enough for that. However, you're right that the CSG escorts have LOTS of AAA capacity.
>>528841227ZTalmud denouncedBlood and Soil
>>528842197Each CIWS has enough ammo for ~13 engagements. This strategy was already successful when used by Yemen. America negotiated safe passage and left after the third time that the US Carrier had to use evasive maneuvers and lost vehicles from the deck.Russia produces thousands of Gerans per month. Iran outproduces the entire rest of the world in rocket motors. So we can estimate from there that Iran has an actually insane number of Shaheds and can force the CSG onto defensive footing and out of theater, since their smaller proxy demonstrated that capability already.
>The best piece of advice I can give you, is to treat all media reports regarding the U.S. or Iran, what will happen, what are both sides saying, as nothing more than public theatre.>Both sides already know what is going to happen, the only objective behind media reports now is misleading the other side.As we wait... does anyone here think that Iran will fold and quickly surrender like Venezuela? Stranger things have happeend!
>>528840847lol those carriers won't be anywhere near any iranian missile systems. you think the US is that retarded? do you have any idea how many AWACS planes and other reconnaissance systems they flew over there? not to mention they probably got every satellite pointed at iran right now. iran doesn't stand a chance, and if you think otherwise you are a complete fool. the US has a first strike advantage (because iran would never strike first) and they will know where all the AD systems and radars are in advance just like israel did. they will destroy all of that shit in the first wave and then once they've got free reign they will launch sustained air strikes at their leisure. the immediate iranian retaliation will be weakened as a result, and to make matters worse the US has spent months building up layered air defenses which should be able to dampen the impact of that first (and most powerful) wave of iranian missiles. once the first wave has been launched the US will know where those missiles came from and start targeting the launchers. at that point every successive retaliation by iran will become weaker and weaker (again, just like last time). i don't know if we'll see regime change, but i guarantee you they will attempt to destroy all iranian industrial infrastructure. anything related to missile production, drones etc. as well as attack nuclear targets again. iranians are all a bunch of retards. they deserve what's coming for every trusting the west and not building nukes when they had the chance. they took their sweet time and now they are going to pay for it. meanwhile kim jong un is laughing his ass off whilst sitting on his pile of nukes.
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>>528842197Raytheon CIWS in automatic mode will not target anything that doesn't meet it's engagement criteria (range rate and bearing) and virtually all drones are too slow to to meet the range rate criteria which sits at around Mach 0.7. Yes, you could operate it in manual mode and shoot down drones with it if you were a really good operator but the system itself doesn't give a shit about slow moving targets. Block 1B baseline III might in the future but right now it doesn't.
>>528842197night attack with very low altitude could work.. low = only meters above sea level..
>>528842376Well, yeah, they likely wouldn't get close anyways, but even the last line of defense seems like it'd hold just fine against drones like that.>>528842426>Each CIWS has enough ammo for ~13 engagements.That's an average for engagements against much more dangerous threats. Burst length goes down massively the slower your target is.>This strategy was already successful when used by Yemen. America negotiated safe passage and left after the third time that the US Carrier had to use evasive maneuvers and lost vehicles from the deck.No. The US fleet used up a shit ton of interceptors due to long range interceptions, mostly of actual anti ship missiles like thr C802 Noor, not Saheds. Those intercepts were often not intended at self defense but defense of commercial vessels, too. The planes dumped in the ocean happened during evasive maneuvers when under fire by ballistic missiles.
>>528841697The issue is more related to keeping a track, houthis were able to hit moving ships. And if i remember correctly during the 12 day war they did use manueverable missiles but very few.
>>528842523>iran doesn't stand a chance,They said the same shit about the Huthis.>>528842559You never send a single missile at a target.Good luck to CIWS engaging 2 or 3 missiles at the same time.
>>528842400N
>>528842615or arrive really high, discard wings and become a bomb with limited steering capacity
>>528842680The CIWS is literally the last line of defense the shoip has, if you hear it spinning up you're probably fucked. Thankfully it's never been needed to be used and all its done is shit down some planes used for tracking runs. ESSM works fine.
This man just demolished the image of Russia
>>528842680There are 5-8 Phalanx in the Lincoln group, 3 127mm cannon, 6 25mm cannon, and 12 M2's, in addition to their short range AA missile complement. The 127mm cannon are integrated with AEGIS and the 25mm cannon may be as well.It's not a trivial target for drones and the fleet will likely remain out of range of cruise missiles.Meanwhile, US bases (and Israel) are right there, and aren't moving, and the godwect decided ground-based AAA was a waste of time, as we've seen in Ukraine.
>>528842559I don't know shit about the targeting system, but that seems like soft coded safety/RoE limitations, which very obviously should've been adjusted in the recent past since drone swarms are obviously a threat now.>>528842615Sea skimming can buy you time before you're detected, which is why many AShMs use it. For very slow systems it's pretty useless.>>528842664That's probably the more complex part of the problem, yeah. But on top of that you still need to develope a warhead with terminal maneuverability.
>>528842680The houthi effort was small compared to what they have ready for iran. Their only hope is that they do have something that can hit a carrier in a limited timeframe raise the stakes for americans and fuck up trump internally.Iran should have created their own container launched BMs to fuck up things that are closer to them, and a bunch of Anti-ship missiles ready to fuck up the strait.
>>528842924Why did america not win Vietnam? They had more bodies.
>>528840030Take your meds, schizo.
>>528843028And yet nothing has happened. Nothing will happen either
>>528842680>muh Houthisand good look getting into firing range...kekdumbass
>>528842960They'd probably just take the odd potshot at US fleet targets with ballistic/anti ship missiles and unconventional stuff like naval drones while hurling the vast majority of their arsenal at land targets due to considerations like that. Use what you have where it has the highest chance to hit.
>>528843177>Month 2 of a 1 day Iran won't win scenario
>>528842969Yeah you don't just change engagement criteria without lots of testing which Raytheon is doing and as I said will be a feature on the next baseline upgrade. If drones were an actual worry for the Navy they would fit actual countermeasures designed for drones on the ship and not just do a half assed software change themselves withoutthe go-ahead from Raytheon. Basically drones aren't a big worry, anti-ship missiles are.
>>528842960>Out of range of cruise missilesAre they behind Israel? That's the cruise missile range you retard
>>528842924russia has evolved beyond ussr.. ukraine hasnt. which one is throwing meat in the grinder?:)
>>528843162If china was going to do anything relevant they would have done so already. Bunch of cowards, they should have sent weapons after the 12 day war. It is a US led hegemony and the only country that can do the littlest thing against it does nothing time after time. You can be the biggest most advanced military in the world but if you dont have the guts to do anything its worthless.
>>528842523>those carriers won't be anywhere near any iranian missile systems>you think the US is that retarded?They are currently within range of Iranian missiles. The conflict against Yemen less than a year ago was ended when the US Carrier had to perform evasive maneuvers. Yemen does not have the capabilities that Iran has.>iran doesn't stand a chanceThen why did Yemen win?>and they will know where all the AD systems and radars are in advance just like israel didThen why did Iran win against Israel and America in the last exchange, less than a year ago? What do you think is different this time, other than Iran now having material and ISR support from Russia and China?>they will destroy all of that shit in the first waveWhy didn't this work last time? Why was America unable to do this in Yemen?>the US ahs spent months building layered air defensesIs it stronger than the Iron Dome was?>once the first wave has been launched the US will know where those missiles came from and start targeting the launchers.Which are under granite mountains and high PSI concrete and defended by Russian and Chinese and Iranian AD, all of which outperform western systems. You can even read a medal citation from the Yemen campaign in which it's admitted that Yemeni AD almost scored kills against the US. Fucking Yemen, whose AD was domestically improvised and relied on eyeball Mk1.>i guarantee you they will attempt to destroy all iranian industrial infrastructure. anything related to missile production, drones etc.American air campaigns are not able to penetrate Iran's underground infrastructure. This has already been demonstrated.> as well as attack nuclear targets againTo no effect. Again.
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>>528843254Well, the Lincoln is supposed to be way out in the Arabian Sea.The Ford isn't in theater yet.What's Iran's longest range AShM?
>>528843387>"muh Houthis" reaching levels of retardation previously thought to be impossible
>>528843485They have a couple that reach 2000 miles
>How can Iran "win" this ,or at least get US retreat from immediate objectives >Task one : hit the carrier which currently parking at 700 km off coast . The hypersonic Solemani s has the range of 1400 km and have homing sensors to hit ships . Other missiles can be upgraded to reach 1000 km or more >You only need one or two hit to get the carrier disabled (hypersonic speed + 500 kg warhead hit like a tactical nuke where it lands) >Repairing damaged carriers can last years ,ship retreats is no longer a threat . You dont need to sink ithmmmm
>>528843572Thoughts?
>>528843546He asked about anti-ship missiles, not ballistic and cruise missiles, you're not even talking about the same thing.
>>528843546Well alright, now that's interesting.>>528843572>hypersonic speed + 500 kg warhead hit like a tactical nuke where it landsThis person is not a reliable source of technical analysis.
>>528842654>The planes dumped in the ocean happened during evasive maneuvers when under fire by ballistic missiles.The US classified those munitions as drones, not ballistics. They have a ballistic cruise to the rough location of the carrier, but then they glide and hunt autonomosly with thermal,then finally dive. That's how they defeat the carrier's electronic warfare. A ballistic missile guided from land would not have been capable of getting near the carrier.My point remains that if Yemen can defeat American AD by outspamming it, Iran can too. Shaheds (as a class of munition, so including Geran et al) can accomplish this.
>>528843653The carrier is within 400 miles of Iran you dumbass. It's in range of all missiles.
>>528843251Aren't there tiered engagement criteria that you switch between anyways? This doesn't seem like something you'd need a software update for, but that's just guessing. I assumed the friendly fire incident in the red sea was due to fuck ups with adjusting the RoE to the current situation.
>>528843689You're a fucking retard lmao, please stop speaking, you literally don't have a fucking clue
>>528842924>Ukraine sends 5 offensives to march on foot through minefields>Russia breaks units down to 3-man DRGs expirimentally probing across the line and adopting a variety of tactics, changing so often that the war has to be described in monthly segments>Ukraine digs 2 Million graves at military cemetaries and commissions more>Russia adds 100k graves in this time>Literal who leaves his opinion in a youtube comment and impresses someone who uses a light theme
>>528843787Dumbass doesn't even know what the fuck it's talking about. Ranjeet here. On top of that Chinese have a type 055 in the area since yesterday. Don't know shit about that either do you dumbass? Joke of a retard here
>>528843596>>528843572Possible. But if the US learned any lessons from the Houthis, they would apply it. And the US still has CWIS and CRAM. But if multiple missiles are incoming. I wouldn't want to rely on CWIS at all. From reports it sounds like Houthis were a bit too close for comfort too many times and that's just the Houthi's....They'll also likely get more support from the Chinese this time around. Aka Statalites. So they might hareas the fleet the whole time. Though bases in Saudi and Qatar are easier to hit since they don't move....
>>528842197>CIWS alone should make short work of themuntil they're out of ammo
>>528843596>>528843686It's an important distinction that the USN thought sailing the Red Sea while they were in combat ops against Ansarallah was a good idea.
>>528843301Same could be said of america no? 2 more weeks I'm sure
>>528842960>It's not a trivial target for dronesLook up the number of engagements those systems can make before they need to resupply. Now look at the number of drones available just to Iran, without considering supplies sent to them by Russia or China. You're forgetting that Iran just destroyed the world's best AD last year. The American fleet does not have better defenses than Tel Aviv did. That's why all that shit you listed had to negotiate a safe retreat from Yemen.
>>528843866Learned how to lose jets to a 5 dollar drone
>>528843686I don't really get what weapon system you're describing there, but even starting with a ballistic approach we're in a very, very different category from drones like a Geran.
comical that the Generals graduated at the Cheerleader Military School think they know better than US military planners or the Chinese experts who wrote in a report about a China-US war over Taiwan that American carrier groups are extremely hard to kill...
>>528843773No, there isn't. Do you know what the CIWS is designed to do? It's to shoot at anti-ship missiles that managed to evade all other defenses, that's what it does, that's it's function. If it's in automatic mode it's not going to shoot at anything that isn't within 5km of the ship, moving directly towards it at a speed if at least Mach 0.7 and a man in the loop still needs to actually press the fire button to make it shoot once he's been advised by the system to do it.
>>528843957One might suggest that Iran has more things to target than a single CSG.And you cannot be sure that China and Russia are going to involve themselves. They obviously should, and Russia might actually be legally obliged to, but it's still an assumption we shouldn't make.
>>528844054Their navy is in the area.... Since yesterday. Do you people even read the news?
>>528843572>>528843596>Task 2 : destroy short and long range air defense: >Patriot >THAAD>Can be done with hypersonic weapons and finish them off with cluster rounds>All these assets cost multi billions obviously loosing it or damaging it will hurt Trump greatly>Chinese spy satellites can monitor their positions and update the Iranians where to hit if they move them away
>>528843028>America totally could have won in [Insert every country America has fought a war against for 80 years] if they were serious, they just didn't want tok>>528843301>If china was going to do anything relevant they would have done so alreadyThey're providing ISR to Iran, and deploying radar systems that can reliably track F-35.
>>528844093>Task 3 : destroy the air bases . >After SEAD completed the next obvious task is the airbases where the bombs come from>All the 3 task completed should achieve a favourable peace deal from Trump and Bibi co . Conflict will be resolved diplomatically shortly after . Neither side favours long bloody engagement's especially when the easy (loss less) victory is no longer achievable which was Trumps original pipedream
>>528844137Reality is trump won't do shit. Bibi is going to sit around crying like a bitch again and miga copers will make their retreat sound glorious. This is costing us $15 to 20 million a day keep those assets there
>>528844025Yj21 is literally built to kill those ships reliably. I highly doubt the carrier group has anything to stop them.
>>528844093>>528844137social network armchair generals are work...kek
>>528844297>muh Russian/Chinese wunderwaffen
>>528844302Dilating generals all you have available?
>>528843980From the perspective of the AD, the launch phase isn't that important. A shahed that descends from orbit or a shahed launched from the back of a truck or a shahed with a ballistic stage one will all contend with CIWS the same way (forcing evasive maneuvers and American retreat).
>>528843387Iran didnt win against Israel but didnt lose either. Israel was able to do a lot of damage, Israel had a lot of support from other countries but that was merely defensive. Iran is gonna face an agression that is like 10 times what it had to deal at that time. >>528844210Trump would rather sink america that let jews down. Reality for jews is that it is now or never to get rid of iranians. Trump already nows he will get wrecked in the midterms. I just hate MIGA retards who cant see it. Anything that trump could have for actual america wont get done because he wont have a congress to do it.
>>528844345Won't do shit. Must be why you haven't done shit kike. Stay mad. Keep coping. The next day right?
>>528844025Sure, missile defense is the primary role. Kind of hard to imagine that automatization against slower air and surface threats would be difficult, but that was just me guessing.
>>528844210>Reality is trump won't do shit.The war is a done-deal. Trump was elected to start a war with Iran. That's why the jews gave him 100s of millions of dollars.
>>528844417Odd Congress says otherwise. You know. The guys that pay for the war? The commander in chief is not who pays for it. I wouldn't expect a leaf to know that anyways.
>>528844367How the fuck is a sahed supposed to have a ballistic stage? How is a sahed diving on a target comparable to something coming in at multiple times the speed?
>Why the Americans are 700 km away ... because thats the well known range of Zulfiqar based ASBMah, so this is what it looks like!
>>528844383there is ALWAYS some kind of Russian/Chinese weapon or device that has magical properties, when things get hot it turns out they are just every other weapon but you fucking idiots never learn...ALWAYS some Russian/Chinese wunderwaffen lurking around about to save the day...kek...
>>528844457>Odd Congress says otherwise. You know. The guys that pay for the war? The commander in chief is not who pays for it. I wouldn't expect a leaf to know that anyways.AHHAAHAHAHAH... nigga, you have a fever or something?
I'm completely ignorant of how ship defences and the like work, but my question is, how do you defend against a couple hundred cheap drones and their only target are sensor clusters, radar, etc. without those the ships are severely degraded in their combat ability.
>>528844487>Now you created a new threat window and a major strategic surprise which can be exploited (once the US realise they got tricked they will fall back but a few attacks can be made on the carrier before this sets in)FUGG!!
>>528844385You're not getting it, its not just missile defense, its LAST line of missile defense when everything else has failed. It wouldn't be difficult, it's just a poor use of a very limited resource.The main gun can shoot down a drone at farther distance than the CIWS using PFHE easily. Better to save your CIWS for when it's actually needed.
>>5288445175 seconds in Google is all it takes. Please try to at least not look dumb.
>>528844054>And you cannot be sure that China and Russia are going to involve themselves.China and Russia are sharing ISR. China is currently publishing spy satellite footage of American bases in the area, and you can see those photos in many threads here on /pol/. China and Russia have both given AD systems to Iran, and it's rumored but unconfirmed that Russia provided Su-25's to Iran. Russia's navy is also in the area performing maneuvers with Iran. Yemen, who recently defeated America, is also in theater. Russia, China, and Iran signed a pact a few months ago agreeing to strategically cooperate for exactly the purposes of this scenario. The moment that the American navy is struck a blow, their alliance will control the world.>Iran has more things to target than a single CSG.They are the world's leading producers of rocket motors and large drones, and their strategic partner Russia has been throttling Geran use to stockpile them for a scenario agains the US. Russia make ~5k/mo, and Iran makes more than that. Consider the fact that Yemen's domestic production of missiles and drones overwhelmed the American navy and Iran defeated Iron Dome. You're underestimating the number of munitions available to Iran in this conflict, and wildly overestimating America's ability to inflict damage from the air.
>>528844487where were those wunderwaffen as the US bombed Iran with impunity? kek...always the wunderwaffen, talk about the hohols and their wunderwaffen-mania and yet are exactly the same or worst...
>>528844562You don't.
>>528844653Who is currently leading Iran? Netanyahu? Oh right it's still the Ayatollah. Who began drying for aid to the us? Was it Iran? Oh wait it was Israel. Man it's been to short of a time to act retarded. Not even a year
>>528844517Woah, that politician is very popularWhat state is he from?
>>528844639You on /pol/ and you're this retarded to think that Israel doesn't control the US Congress? Really?
>>528844713before:>"The Zionist Entity will soon meet it's doom!"now:>"The Ayatollah is still leading Iran! You lose!"damn...things went downhill fast in this last years haven't they?
>>5288447485 seconds in Google is all it takes. 5 seconds is too much for you. The man you just posted is forcing the vote lmao.
>>528844789>Completely disregarded the kvetching for help Israel did to the usOdd they started it and then had to stop? Only losers do that.
>>528844659Well, it's what I would do then. If you can have the drones come from different directions to further complicate things that would be better. I would imagine a few hundred if not more would be necessary to blind a battle group, at least if your drone targetting is good enough
>>528844870There's really no successful active countermeasures to getting drone swarmed, so your best bet is just being outside of their launch range.
>War starts in 2-3 days , best iranians can do >>528844599
>>528844997>muh Houthis
>>528844976The fuck esl ai is that?
>>528844844And how many Congressmen and women on both sides of the floor receive money, favours, or other benefits from the Israeli lobby directly and indirectly? Hint, it's the majority of them. If the call came in do you think everyone is going to vote with a conscience?
>>528844976>US gov. admitting more failures against houthis in Yemen
>>528844464It's clear you haven't understood what I'm saying, and you're posting from Germany. Your autism lends authenticity to your flag.It is difficult to classify the Yemeni munition that forced evasive maneuvers. I know for a fact that the classification settled on was "Drone." The reason for this is because it has a glide phase rather than a cruise phase, and it provides its own guidance from there onward. Therefore, a storm of Shaheds will be effective for the same reason that this drone was.American air defenses do not have an infinite number of engagements, and they cannot simultaneously target a large number of targets. 100 shaheds with a self-guided terminal phase, launched in 10 minute increments, can defeat a CSG's defenses. 100 launched all at once will. Iran has tens of thousands of shaheds, but they don't usually have terminal guidance that can target a ship. Iran has been preparing for this conflict and helped Yemen prepare for their victory. Iran is therefore aware of this idea and that it works, and has had about a year to modify some Shaheds for this purpose.>How is a sahed diving on a target comparable to something coming in at multiple times the speed?Because the munitions aren't fired alone. The first shahed in line won't hit. The last one will. This is the same principle that defeated Iron Dome. Do you believe the US Navy has better AD than Tel Aviv did?
>>528844562>how do you defend against a couple hundred cheap dronesThe US Navy literally had to ask Yemen's permission to leave. No one has an answer to cheap drone spam.
>>528844653>the US bombed Iran with impunityThe US asked permission to bomb a target, and Iran accepted on the condition they be allowed to bomb an American target in return. This was public information and defused the situation instigated by Israeli control of America. Iran already publicly said they will not accept this defusal a second time.
>>528844644At least you're civilly destroying your strawman. Iran certainly has many, many weapons. The US certainly will not inflict the damage it would hope to on Iran. Neither of this things contradict that CSG's are hard targets, and Iran has many, many, many targets to choose from. Perhaps it is better to focus on obliterating Israel than a carrier.As for your first point, our difference is in how we think Russia and China see open warfare with the US. It's one thing to arm and support proxies. It's another to follow them into open war with another nuclear power.While I may think they OUGHT to join Iran, we need to think about what is or will be.
>>528841728>50 shahed every ten minutes nonstop indefinitely.keked at fact that porthuzhid just ignored "AI" targeted (that perform good enough in ukraine to find trucks hiding in town) with thermal cam to easly find and overwhelm short range defences of CSG >fun fact one RIM-116 missile cost 500k >fun fact 2 defeating CSGs by Iran will give China Taiwan "for free" (they have pending bllody purge there just like Kuomintag did decades ago)this is fate of all US pawns
>>528844976WOW!! This war is gonna be absofuckinglutely INSANE!!!!
>>528845354now Ahmed is posting fantasies about fictional weapons...kekyou really are a brown Ahmed aren't you? low-IQ, infantilism and extremely emotional...
>>528845151Well, cheap drones mean low, or at least, limited payload, otherwise you compromise too much on other aspects. Is there a level of passive (armour) protection that makes saturation attacks below a certain threshold of potency ineffective? Maybe. Maybe not. Even if each drone was a million dollars, is 100milliom a good trade for crippling a carrier group? How do you practically armour sensor clusters anyways?
>>528845354now that some top tier brownoid copium wunderwaffen
>>528845354>initiating kessler effectIf you're looking for something that would convince Russia and China to join the US in regime changing Iran, you've found it!
>>528845261>Perhaps it is better to focus on obliterating Israel than a carrier.I'm asserting that Iran has enough munitions to do both simultaneously and sustainably. I further believe that if Iran demonstrates this successfully, China and Russia will gleefully pour material support into Iran to continue the dismantling of American fleets because of the extreme benefit this would give their strategic partnership, which was formed for this exact purpose.>CSG's are hard targetsTel Aviv was the hardest target in the world. Iran defeated the Iron Dome. Yemen defeated a CSG. I think it's entirely unreasonable, given the facts, to believe that Iran cannot defeat a CSG's air defenses.>our difference is in how we think Russia and China see open warfare with the USThey see it as unavoidable. Russian leadership is explicitly publicly saying they currently view the Ukraine conflict as a direct war with the USA and that they anticipate the west escalating the conflict. None of this is hidden knowledge, you can watch these public forums on youtube. You've completely retreated from "China and Russia won't get involved" to "I can read their minds and I know they don't have the guts to do anything" as if Russia isn't currently executing every American they capture in Ukraine. They have a TG channel called @trackanazimerc where they publish photos of westernern volunteers for Ukraine who they kill as bandits.
>>528845354>.....and they going to stay up there for potentially years!!!!!HAHAH... oh wow!>>528845041as austrian painter said, dont argue with kikes.>>528845517>If you're looking for something that would convince Russia and China to join the US in regime changing Iran, you've found it!Russia has a Starlink problem! China has a Starlink problem! Iran has a huge Starlink problem! I think they might give Iran AntiSat weapons so they can use them and take the blame. Just sayin'
>>528845537A direct war with the US, where they never attack the US directly.lol
>>528845097>It is difficult to classify the Yemeni munition that forced evasive maneuvers. I know for a fact that the classification settled on was "Drone." The reason for this is because it has a glide phase rather than a cruise phase, and it provides its own guidance from there onward. Therefore, a storm of Shaheds will be effective for the same reason that this drone was.The "glide phase" of a warhead deployed via ballistic missile, traveling at mach fuck, is not comparable to drones coming in at essentially highway speed. These are very obviously entirely different threats. Are you genuinely retarded?>Do you believe the US Navy has better AD than Tel Aviv did?Yes. Point defense is significantly easier than area defense.
>>528845500only managed to launch a dummy sat into low earth orbit in 2009 and now they have anti-sat weapons...kek.../chug/ keeps getting worst and worst by the day
>>528845594>>528844976Iran is preparing...
>>528845594The Kessler effect doesn't distinguish by nationality. It's an untargeted WMD.
>>528845652its honestly embarrassing but its always been cringe and delusional, they were convinced odessa was nuked years ago and everyone was covering it up
>>528845069what means "nearly struck"?jewish semantics thats all, those jets never fall to the sea bc crews failed to chain them properly its ludicrous,they were ditched there to cover up fact of being hit like how pilots could be injured that way?>>528845354so they lowering orbit to mitigate Kesler effect against more precious satelites (Starlinks are disposable...they will fall down and they know that) because they ignore Persian non existant ASat missiles shills says right now.For me this looks like they treat it as real as they can
>>528845316>porthuzhidjej this is a good one>>528845354Iran is a strategic partner of China and Russia, both of whom are heavily invested in LEO development. All three countries have domestic aerospace industries. Kessler is even more taboo than nuclear. This is retarded.>>528845464Shaheds cost $20k/ea about 5 years ago. Production has expanded since then in Iran and I assume scaling has lowered unit cost. However, I'm also assuming Shahed's design hasn't changed. Russia makes Gerans, which are "smart-shaheds" with far more capability onboard. Estimates for their prices are ~$80k. The West produces interceptors for ~$10M/ea and at a very slow rate. America's modern ships are designed on the assumption they won't be hit due to battlefield supremacy. Retrofitting them would require putting them in drydock for multiple years, and most of the US' Navy is already past its intended lifespan. The second armor issue is that the armor has to be on everything a drone/missile could hit. Doesn't leave much tonnage for anything else. Even on land, drone defenses are still an unsolved problem. I wouldn't bother trying to find ship-based solutions until someone can figure out how to survive on the front in Ukraine.
China updated their satellite maps of US air defenses.>>528845703>The Kessler effect doesn't distinguish by nationality. It's an untargeted WMD.The height at which Starlinks are at is not the height at which most sats operate at. In the worst case scenario, space will be dangerous for many years for all sats who are in that orbit.
>>528842523america can't win unless they fully occupy the country, and you can't occupy a country with air strikes, ergo Iran will win
>>528845703If you're going to get BTFO anyway, might as well take everybody with you: Nuke space with trash and make use nobody can leave this kike'd shitball ever again.Unlike actually putting things in orbit, all they need is to get the rockets high enough and blow up.
>>528845958They lowered them specifically to reduce the threat of that. At a bit less than 500 km aerodynamic drag brings them down in a couple months once dead. Bit longer for high density debris, but not much.
>>528845958>China updated their satellite maps of US air defenses.fugg, forgot pic
>>528845594>China has a Starlink problem!China has solved this problem by reserving space for an even larger network in the same orbit. They also have Tiangong below that altitude. Russia has a space program and satellites.>>528845646>A direct war with the US, where they never attack the US directly.They're in a shooting war against American equipment, American officers, and American soldiers. Vietnam didn't try to invade the US, so was that not a direct conflict either, retard?>>528845648The similarity between them is that they can defeat the air defenses and hit the ship, which is what we're debating. Also, obviously, any munition Yemen has is also available to Iran.There was a CSG parked off the coast of Tel Aviv providing air defense alongside the Iron Dome. Jordan's air force and Saudi Arabia were also providing screening. So no, a CSG does not have better defenses than Tel Aviv did. I'm sorry, but you've failed at basic reasoning and can no longer continue.
Cheers to 1.2m dead Russians and cheers to 1.2m more
>>528842485Hopefully not. Otherwise I'll be blackpilled since only Russia, North Korea, and China will be left to resist the American globohomo empire (until we inevitably destroy ourselves at least)
>>528845652>Iran has been able to send orbital payloads for over a decade>but they totally couldn't do that with a warhead... What?
>>528845975True>>528846249>Cheers to 1.2m dead Russians*casualties, not dead. Meaning a guy who got flu twice and returned to service both times is two of those casualties.
>>528846244>China has solved this problem by reserving space for an even larger network in the same orbit. They also have Tiangong below that altitude. Russia has a space program and satellites.No, you don't understand.. Starlink is being used by the opposition groups to overthrow governments. US is smuggling them into China and Iran. And Ukraine is using them on their long-range drones against Russia.
>>528846249new shift? bite me.ban circumcisionban ritual slaughtercut all gibs
>>528843866How so?
>>528845652If you are talking about America, you are extremely retarded American navy has been developing submarine based anti satellite weapons and submarine based satellite deployment for 30 years The airforce has been able to shoot down (and deploy) satellites with aim120 rockets since the 70s
>>528846289>thinking that sending something near a specific satellite in orbit is the same as sending something into low earth orbitthe understanding of technology, science as well as the general culture of the average cheerleader on display...
>>528846360Russian medical treatment is so bad casualties might as well be deaths
>>528846249Do you still post on /lgbt/? Genuine question.
>>528846518i wasn't talking about America...
>>528846372Mmmm you do look tasty maybe i will bite you nom nomm nom nom
>>528846556Oh sorry >>528846548I have never once even looked at that board
I just hope we get plenty of missile kinohttps://files.catbox.moe/9e72iv.mp4
>>528846834>no sound videoyou can hear so many oy veyys
>>528846360The nigger is parroting kyiv independent propaganda. Might as well claim 6 million dead Russians already.
>>528846625Do we really have to post it?
>>528846363I'm aware of this. Iran and Russia both have Starlink jammers. Iran cut off the internet in their country and rounded up a lot of foreign intelligence agents and assets by tracking Starlink receivers. The solution you're proposing, Kesslering LEO, would ALSO destroy Russian/Chinese/Iranian assets. Therefore they won't. Since they have a solution that doesn't ruin humanity's chances at space.>>528846538>casualties might as well be deathsThey're like deaths except that they don't require graves.>>528846532The area denial weapon he's describing would only have to arrive at an orbit and then fire its payload. Iran is strategically partnered with China and Russia, both of whom can share this capability if Iran can't develop it with its engineering corps that has better rocketry than the US.
>>528846244>The similarity between them is that they can defeat the air defenses and hit the ship, which is what we're debating. Also, obviously, any munition Yemen has is also available to Iran.No. We discussed what caused the US carrier to take evasive maneuvers. Which wasn't flying lawnmowers.>There was a CSG parked off the coast of Tel Aviv providing air defense alongside the Iron Dome. Jordan's air force and Saudi Arabia were also providing screening.That doesn't turn it from area to point defense. It is far easier to hit things coming directly at you.
>>528847011How does Russia use Starlink jammers in Ukraine?
Why is /uhg/ so shit?
>portugal kike cheerleader at it again
>>528847158jews
>>528847241Whoa, hi. How are you holding up?
>>528847279what do you think nigger? everything is literal shit
>>528847080well it is a cheap way to get high reso data,..so ,.. Russians are making their own,..but it is damn expensive to have all these low earth orbit thingies for a war that they already won
>>528847011>would ALSO destroy Russian/Chinese assetsand who need to catch up in this sector? It would kill US economy by bankrupting richest man on planet (officialy) it would give China time to build own Starlink and it would force USA to pussied out because what they will nuke Iran bc this? "Small" countiries with nothing to lose will be always on top in hierarchy of retaliation thats a fact
>>528847359Very interesting,, thanks
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>>528847061>We discussed what caused the US carrier to take evasive maneuversA munition that would otherwise hit it. In the scenario I described, shaheds are lobbed one at a time until air defences are depleted. This would force evasive maneuvers after the depletion of air defences. Yes, flying lawnmowers can be used to do this. You can cry and piss about technicalities, but the fact remains that Iran has the capability.>It is far easier to hit things coming directly at you.So then why did the carier have to take evasive maneuvers? Why did the US negotiate a safe retreat? Because a US CSG can't defend itself against Yemenis, let alone Iranians.>>528847080>How does Russia use Starlink jammers in Ukraine?Ukrainians militarized the starlink thingies by using them for drone nav, despite prohibition by Musk and the US. IIRC, the Ukrainian state no longer does that as a policy, but individual units lacked the professionalism to simply never do it. Russia therefore adopted jamming. This lead to the phase of the war where fiber optic control was introduced.>>528847158>Why is /uhg/ so shit?/chug/ is interested in the technical components of war despite the humanitarian cost. /uhg/ is revelling in the humanitarian cost and is otherwise too stupid to even discuss the technical stuff.>>528847354Sorry to hear that. I was a chaperone at a church camp last year where two of the kids were refugees from Kharkiv. Was really moving to hear them talk about the flowers there.>it would give China time to build own StarlinkLEO would be Kesslered. It would be inaccessible to everyone for several hundred years while we wait for trash to fall out of orbit. China does not need time to deploy their satellites, they're on track to have the largest space presence in just a few years. ISS meanwhile is being decommissioned since Roscosmos is leaving.>"Small" countiries with nothing to loseChina, Russia, and Iran are not small countries by any definition retard.
>>528847531You have passed your test
>>528847360there are no facts in this space,..Russians just dont want to fuck up Leo starlink space,.. it is saturated as is,.. at least they will burn out,.. but apparently whole infrastructure is kinda shit,.. blame Iranians when all goes to shit
>>528847697More like /uhg/ is dragging NAFO copium from Xitter and dumping it on 4chan
>>528847697>by any definition retard.I Ran...retard
>Since the beginning of 2026, 42 settlements have come under the control of the Russian Armed Forces. Ukrainian Armed Forces have suffered over 1.5 million casualties since the start of the Northern Military District, according to the General Staff.>The losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces since the beginning of the Second World War have already exceeded 1.5 million people, and in 2025 alone, over 520 thousand people.>A steady trend toward a reduction in the size of the Ukrainian army is emerging, and, as a result, the Ukrainian Armed Forces' ability to resist Russian troop groups is being limited, emphasized Colonel General Sergei Rudskoy, Chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff and First Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces.>Furthermore, the First Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces stated:>Since the beginning of 2026, 42 settlements have come under the control of the Russian Armed Forces;>Since 2025, 26 settlements in the Sumy region have come under the control of the Russian Armed Forces;>In the Kharkiv region, Vovchansk and 15 settlements have been liberated since last year;>During 2025, the West group liberated more than 50 settlements;>The Dnepr group is located 12 km from the outskirts of the regional center of Zaporizhzhia;>The number of people mobilized monthly into the Ukrainian Armed Forces has decreased by almost half over the year;>NATO is building up its forces under the pretext of an inevitable clash with Russia.
>>528847080be careful with Very Simple Logic (tm) here, cheerleaders and their emotion-driven minds explode into rage when confronted with Very Simple Logic (tm)>>528847359mega kek...the cheerleader mind at work
>>528847697>/chug/ is interested in the technical components of war despite the humanitarian cost. /uhg/ is revelling in the humanitarian cost and is otherwise too stupid to even discuss the technical stuff.there is no discussion of technical stuff on /chug/ because everything is a retarded cheerleader pompom waving "RUSSIA NUMBA 1! CHINA NUMBA 1! USA/WEST NUMBA 999!"
>>528847854Somebody should tell Nagatoro to add that to the rentry
post same shit under pisrael flag >bee good bot
>>528847697>A munition that would otherwise hit it. In the scenario I described, shaheds are lobbed one at a time until air defences are depleted. This would force evasive maneuvers after the depletion of air defences. Yes, flying lawnmowers can be used to do this.>So then why did the carier have to take evasive maneuvers?A shot down semi ballistic threat will keep coming at you on a relatively unchanged trajectory, which means you need to move out of the way. A Sahed actively needs to fly into what it intends to hit. There is no dodging a slow, guided drone.
>>528847854There's an interview with syrsky where he says majority of defensive fighting doesn't involve even platoon or squad level on their side, it's often individual men holding some position. Obviously he presented it as omg we're so advanced but it's obvious sign of shortage.
>>528847912/chug/ is great. Quit conning me.
>>528847697>So then why did the carier have to take evasive maneuvers?why do miners wear hard hats all the time? they should only wear them when there are rocks actually falling on their heads...(fucking cheerleader retards turned /chug/ into something as dumb as /uhg/)
>>528848156I don't get it.
>>528848191What do you not get?
HiI'm tired
>>528848203Did he really say that some positions are manned by ONE soldier? ONE fucking soldier?
>>528848247Holy shit. Is this really the original Thai bro?
>>528848156in this smo ,.. it makes sense,.. Russians don't want to loose people ,.. neither do benderites.-- Russia still wins
>>528848191they larping as based totenkopf soldiers mowning sea of red grass>they trying to forget that its ended in their capital
>>528847854Use Yandex next time. That's an awful Google Translator one.
>>528848273>some positions are manned by ONE soldier?funny that He didint say WHY is like that? >life imitates meme
>>528848317I also don't get it why they larp as based totenkopf soldiers. Half of Ukrianians in the war photos look literally Mexican. lol
>>528848273more than enough,.. that is why Russia is winning /and being the best damn force on earth+/,..they cannot resist,..and when they do,.. it is paljeram for all,.. not good
>>528848078>A shot down semi ballistic threat will keep coming at you on a relatively unchanged trajectory, which means you need to move out of the way.You've already acknowledged in this thread that Phalanx CIWS knocks targets away from the ship based on a size/velocity calculation, altering the length of its burst to do so. Now you're pretending it doesn't?>There is no dodging a slow, guided drone.You've just pivoted to calling the Yemeni munition slow and guided. For the entire rest of the thread you were describing its speed as "fuck mach."My position remains that modified shaheds lobbed one at a time at a carrier will eventually force it out of theater or start landing hits, and that Yemen's ability to do this with their munition is proof of this. I remain correct.
>>528848473What is paljeram?
>>528848167Give a Spaniard 5 drinks and he becomes Portuguese. 5 more and he's brazillian. The carrier was not taking precautionary emergency maneuvers against a non-existent munition. They were forced into maneuvers when their AD was defeated and maneuvers were their last resort before negotiating safe passage and retreating.
>>528848494Can you explain what CWIS is?
>memePolish saying, right? I think I remember it.
>>528842400Howdy.Considering your response about RE5.The reason its the best is because you can shoot an unreasonable amount of urban youth in coop
>>528848454>I also don't get it why they larp as based totenkopf soldiers.Its one of greatest victories of anglo propaganda, that they brainwashed conquerors of Berlin into loyal german footsoldiers >Half of Ukrianians in the war photos look literally Mexican. lolkek...there are tens of thousands Colombians serving there
>>528848590Close In Weapon SystemJust an autocannon like M61 "Vulcan" that engage incoming threats by rain of 20mm(in case of AK-630 30mm) shells. Last line of ship defense btw
>>528848590CIWS has a wikipedia page. You'll hear it called Phalanx, but that's a subset of similar systems. It's an automated turret with a barrel center full of large, heavy bullets. It's the last line of defense for anything it's installed on. If something is moving towards it and looks like a threat, it calculates f=ma and then fires the heavy bullets in a sufficient stream to throw the target away so it doesn't hit. It's very good at this. The major vulnerability is that it can only do this so many times and against so many targets at once. iirc, it has 1,300 rounds and uses about 100 per engagement, meaning its good for ~13 munitions. This system cannot be depended upon as a standalone piece of air defence and was not sufficient to preclude emergency maneuvers by US ships off the coast of Yemen, although it was probably a critical component in saving the ship from a hit during those maneuvers.
God, I miss Clipsleaf. He always shared so many kino vids daily.
When was the last time you guys has sex?
>>528848586>MY TEAM NUMBA 1!! OPPOSING TEAM NUMBA 999!!
>>528848625>Polish saying, right?CorrectJew will always say what will happen to him but will never say why Syrski will always praise courageous of lonely soldiers holding position by weeks but will never say why there is only one left there>>528848590>Can you explain what CWIS is?10 burst 4 min reload time dead weight Shaheeds alone can kill Carrier an 15 bilion dollar weapon base sinked by cheapest drone>truly poetic
>>528841829>Forcefed Naganon with enclomifeneWhy though
>>528848890Why don't you just stop posting this shit?
>>528848878One hour ago I came inside a kikeness with my black dick.
>>528848878You have no idea how badly Jewish-American women thirst for Stalag roleplay. The most whoremongering man I know complained to me about how aggressively they wanted it. He was kind of bitchmade though and took issue with the costume he was supposed to wear, and he never showed me a pic of the girl like he usually does, so maybe she wasn't cute. Anyway, you should stay near a shelter this week or maybe go to a church and repent for murdering Jesus Christ. You're hiking distance from Bethlehem right?
>>528848973Nigger
>>528848947Shaheed rate of success during the 12 Day War: 0.0%a US carrier group is not Ukraine retards, apples and oranges...
>>528844748he's a mason
>>528848247Not as retarded as what shills derailed the thread into
>>528848995What in g-d's name is Stalag roleplay?
>>528848961He have (insane aura lil bro) extreme liberator potential and he afraid of gear
>528849024Go die in gas chamber kike
>>528849053epstein has insane aura
>>528848562>paljeramapparently we make new words on the Balkans,.. It means being so full of lead(by getting shot at ,... you are bewildered) ,.. would trade mark it if I gave a fuck
>>528848590>is?is cute
>>528849106lmao
>>528849086I'm literally Polish
>>528848878you will have plenty of panic bunker ghey sex in short timebtw portuzhid is one of you>>528849032>he's a masonOrder of DeMolay...Time is a Flat Circle
>>528849053Клocтилбeгит finally dropped in price to 1/3 of what it was. I still gave 3x bottles i bought in Russia, but considering if I should stock up a bit
>>528848947it takes way longer to reload than 4 minutes, that's best case scenario in the factory, it's going to take you more than 4 mins just to get aloft Nevermind getting 1500 rounds out of the locker, attaching the loading unit and them loading those 1500 rnds in the drum. I've loaded and unloadedvPhalanx hundreds of times and it's more like 30-50 mins with 4 guys while alongside let alone at sea while sailing
>>528849051Stalag porn is what Jewish-Americans tend to fetishize. Woman (or man) is inducted into concentration camp, the commanding officer takes an interest in them from a balcony and singles them out for BDSM. I'm surprised you're on 4chan and haven't encountered the famous GFL Yuri that does this. I have never in my life met a White person who was comfortable with it no matter how depraved and gooner they are. It seems to uniquely be a jewish woman thing.
>>528849119Was looking for this video. There's another one where it tracks a civilian airliner while the marine filming talks to it like a dog and says, "Nooooo. NOOOO!"
>>528849275Just when I thought that I couldn't despise foids any bit more than I already do, thank you very much
>>528848247>I'm tiredof jews?
>>528849032do you get paid to post shit like that, or are you dumb goy who does it for free?
>>528849166>Israeli flag>I'm literally PolishLet me ask my friend Hitler what is the difference between those two.
>>528849571Check out our prime minister's ancestry, birthplace and surname while you're at it lmao
>>528849321It's all good, even though it was in automatic mode (you can tell because the Phalanx Thermal Imager isn't pointed at the plane) someone still needs to press the fire button for it to shoot so as long as the operator isn't retarded it's all good.
>>528849218Well some surplus of meds is a good thing. Same m-sten now dropped in price twice while shop where I'm obtain "sandwiches" struggle with injectables.Or "sandwiches" I receive from that shop in form of ampules while I'm ordering vials which more preferable for the first time
>>528849628>Check out our prime minister's ancestry, birthplace and surname while you're at it lmaoI know. Royal family is ZOGged too. I don't give a shit about Japan anymore.
>>528849510hot
>>528849628satanjahu is that you? powiedz kurwa
>>528848878>When was the last time you guys has sex?Never
Thoughts?
>>528848878Sex? In this economy?
>>528849628>>528849630>>528849684I just woke up
The original in Portuguese, in case anyone knows a less ugly translator than Google and wants to do a better job than myself.
apparently some unknown boeing 787 took off from andrews base usa, flew through greenland, norway and finland to russia..
>>528849539shmule, did they cut your todays bonus cause of me?!
>>528850021>Mad Taras: Furry Road
>>528850014Chances are it's some random diplomat
>>528849915>>528849755Have you ever played Max Payne 3Max Payne 3
>>528850122You don't really play MP3 you just kinda watch it
>>528850122Is it your favorite vydia?
>>528850063>9:14einars already at his shill farm hard working
>>528850205Do you just call people shills randomly, or there's a method to your madness?
>>528850195Yeah>>528850150I feel ya
>>528850261>do they disagree with my beliefs?>if yes = shill>if no = best friend
>>528850122yes, it was decent
>>5288488787 years ago next month
>EU Indian-African corps will be coming for PutlerFinally Ursula have solved the manpower issues, no way the Russians can stop the 5th reich.
>ABC News: A senior U.S. official says Iran agreed during the Geneva talks to submit a written proposal addressing U.S. concerns, and U.S. officials are now waiting for it.
>>528850418>written proposal adressingliterally nothing, bombs incoming. Trump (bibi) wants them to give up all of their missiles and everything which they'd be insane to do
>>528850312You're decent>>528850368gong xi fa cai and/or ramadan mubarak
whats going on here???
>>528850460Should I buy oil stocks tomorrow before market close?
>>528850368That only works for outsiders who love Europe enough to make sacrifices for it. You can count those with your digits.
>>528850537That's not the actual flight path btw
>>528850596fake data?
>>528849888>Triple HWhen they promise you big money...but only if you survive
>>528850582Ask.
>>528848878the last time I had coke. which was some while ago. i have other priorities now. on the positive side, it is very very easy for me to recognize the symptoms your kike buddy in kiiiiv is displaying.
>>528850629>Fulminated Mercury. A little tweak of chemistry.
>>528850585Who the fuck dies for a continent and/or economic union>>528850626Idk about fake. The path is just not tracked properly for whatever reason.Your flag is pretty
>>528850697>zelenskike doesnt know about the gum methodwhat an amateur
>>528850582should have bought oil stocks 3 weeks ago
>>528850697That must have been one good snort.
>>528849232how many .50 cals are on CV? it will be literary return to tradition>>528850671Will Lincoln be shaheeded in back of its bridge?
>>528846275That might be by design, on the one hand it could make them over confident, on the other it could make them lazy and eventually irrelevant.
>>528850671Oh, Sonic Totem, should I buy oil stocks tomorrow before market close?
>>528850671will the kikes go to war with iran within the next month?
What does 0 even mean?
>>528850626Probably GPS jammers, Russians activate those often
>>528850116apparently it was president of uzbekistan heading back from "coalition of peace" meeting
>>528850987Too vague of an answer
>>528850905Japan is a bit better than you at making games, but I think your country is my second favorite. I especially like your sim games
>>528851019the totem be like that sometimes
>enemy situation>3 armies >the 29th army to the north east with about 2 combat brigades>the 36th army with about 2 brigades >the 5th army with 2 brigades and the 127th division to the south.>the 90th tank div is to the east and is fixed in place. >the 57 and the 38th are fixed in place. >all units should be under 50% due to lack of rotations and losses >friendly troops >17th corps to the west>assault regiments to the west (5 in the area)>20th corps to the north and north east >up to 5 brigades total >8th air assault corps >at least 2 brigades in the fight>all units are at least about 50% with 50% in the rear resting and could be called forward if neededLOLOL
>>528850997I swear that I read GPS jannies
guys, im still thinking how Dragon Ball transitioned to absolute kino to that monstrosity called Dragon Ball Z and on top of that most DB fans only consider DB from Z and beyond, to them the OG DB is a curiosity at best! Sometimes i agree with the Learned Elders of Zion that the goyim has it coming...
>>528850518Khair mubarak and tong zi, tong zi to you too.>>528850629>Money upfrontI remember reading some news about Ukranians who came back and their wife eloped with their money. Truly even worse than average NTR plot.
>>528851074Never watched any db
>>528851050How is this person so comically dumb?
>Sometimes i agree with the Learned Elders of Zion that the goyim has it coming...we know, zhid
>>528851074Freeza’s saga is kino. Cell and Majinboo not so much. GT is straight trash.
>>528851050To Crimea now!
>>528851104the original is good! part action, part comedy, part martial arts, part sci-fi...fun.
>>528851148We should introduce Julian and Gunter to dermarollers and rogaine.
>>528850763>>528850997check this shit out.anyway, I don't know how to use this site. I'm trying to find that 787 flight from US to RU but don't know how.
>>528851145>Freeza’s saga is kino.those multi-episode mega battles with mega powers are so lame and boring...
>>528851148
>>528851231Why?
>>528851216I prefer adsb
>>528851199Is it your favorite show
>>528850763>dies for a continent and/or economic unionThey can die protecting Ireland from Russian invasion.>>528851239ERAM and Gripen NG wunderwaffen will turn the tide trust the plan.
>>528851290Bake status?
>>528851290mega powers mega battle -> bad/good guy almost dies -> comes back due to some fantastic event or fantastic mega power -> mega powers mega battle resumes -> bad/good guy almost dies -> not only comes back but comes back even stronger due to some fantastic event or mega power -> mega powers mega battle resumes -> etc -> etc -> etc (you get the point)
>>528851377And now Canada too, too much coincidence on the timing.
>>528851102>I remember reading some news about Ukranians who came back and their wife eloped with their money.litelary not even week ago one of them come back from captivity who in the mean time was persumed dead and family already shared those money by themselves...so they send him to trenches again >milion of armed men who know that they are sended to death by those who steal everything from them (money,women,life) still refuse to chimp out and purge Bankovatrully perfect goys
>>528851376hell no, i have no favorite show/movie/music/book/whatever i don't classify things that way...but it's a good show
>>528851443Don't you believe that this is what happened to jews throuhout history though?
>>528850671Dearest, most benevolent Monument to Speed,Is Portukike and Czechkike the same poster?
>>528851476What about a favorite pedophile?
>>528851443I really think that you're wrong. Goku and Freeza testing the limits of their powers is very well-written. All the sequence from Raditz to Freeza is great. The beginning of Trunks part is nice, but Cell is boring.
>>528851476That's a good way of looking at it
>>528851239well that didn't go as planned
>>528851705>>528851705>>528851705>>528851705
>>528851239Was this actually the stated plan though? And did Ukraine have minimal goals that were accomplished? We need to be fair when we analyze
>>528851001Oh yea, they had a meeting yesterday.
>>528843572"hypersonic hit like a tactical nuke" is how you know you are reading bullshit>>528842485Depends on whether the decapitation strike will succeed. >>528842523Overall a correct assessment, but there are some factors you did not consider.1. In 12 day way, GAE used extensive infiltration network in Iran to target AA with short range drones and Spike missiles. It's unknown whether they will be able to do it again. Suppressing even modestly competent AA with only cruise missiles is tricky, as AA can defend from them.2. It's true that US/Israel can dish out much more damage than Iran, but their pain tolerance is also much lower. If even a couple dozen Iranian missiles get through and, for example, kill Israel's energy grid, they are likely to tap out again.
