Help me understand since i am neither hohol nor zigger: does Ukraine have a right to self sovereignty? Were they actually "bullied" by Putin and company? I notice most of the people ballyhooing Ukraine/Zelynsky seem to be women and cucks.
>>529331813Russians are barely White, more like Asiatic Mongrels. The Ukrainians welcomed the Germans with open arms in WWII... you tell me who has the right to exist.
>>529331813>does Ukraine have a right to self sovereignty? YES>Were they actually "bullied" by Putin and company?YES.. Putin is a demon who leads the Russian barbarian hordes> I notice most of the people ballyhooing Ukraine/Zelynsky seem to be women and cucks.No, they are the good guys. Only fascists and nazis support Putin.
>>529331813>help me to understand it's like ireland (parallel to ukraine) vs. england (parallel to russia)
>>529331813>does Ukraine have a right to self sovereignty?Whether they have a right to it or not, they currently don't have self sovereignty. The puppet government that got put into power during the Maidan coup of 2014 is pretty openly run by the US government, not the administration, but by the collection of intel agencies that are collectively called the "deep state".>Were they actually "bulllied" by Putin and company?Up until 2014 they were largely neutral, not really anyone's puppet. They were Russia leaning, but not a puppet by any means, it's just that a huge chunk of their population was ethnically Russian and spoke Russian. Zelensky is a native Russian speaker for instance, from what I've heard he doesn't even speak Ukrainian very well.>I notice most of the people ballyhooing Ukraine/Zelynsky seem to be women and cucks.Yeah, check out picrel. They also invariably had never actually even heard of the country before 2022, much less before 2014.
>>529331813Russia is a hypocritical piece of shit.>Anti-separatism laws: Since 2013/2014, publicly calling for the violation of Russia's territorial integrity (Article 280.1 of the Criminal Code) has been illegal.
>>529331813Nott if your goal is to protect pedos.
>>529331813the truth is the ZOG in Kiev instigated this war with Russia by being very heavy handed and using troops and artillery to murder tens of thousands of people in the eastern provinces that wanted to break away from the ZOG in Kiev, the Russians intervened and you would call it a "humanitarian intervention" if the US had done it
>>529331936Ukrainian nationalism is inherently anti-racist and anti-discriminatory against Jews from the actual mouth of the founder of the Ukraine state in its current iteration.
>>529331813>does Ukraine have a right to self sovereignty?Does the Donbas have a right to self sovereignty?
>>529331813Ukraine's current leader and his entire squad are jews. This is all you need to know.
>>529332637Did the Chechens?
>>529332513Read Ivan Ilyin. Russia is trying to be torn apart from outside forces which is why Ukrainian nationalism is a thing. Such a law you’re quoting is inherently moral just because of the place Russia in on the defensive from NATO forces
>>529331813Ukies and Russniggers DESERVE one another.
>>529331813die27.02.2026Tanks — 11706 (+2)Armored fighting vehicle — 24097 (+6)Artillery systems — 37631 (+17)MLRS — 1659Anti-aircraft warfare — 1305Planes — 435Helicopters — 348UAV — 148021 (+883)Cruise missiles — 4384 (+37)Ships (boats) — 29Submarines — 2Cars and cisterns — 80180 (+116)Special equipment — 4075Military personnel — aprx. 1265130 people (+1280)
>>529331813Russians are an eternal menace to everyone around them
>>529332764suck a bullet27.02.2026Tanks — 11706 (+2)Armored fighting vehicle — 24097 (+6)Artillery systems — 37631 (+17)MLRS — 1659Anti-aircraft warfare — 1305Planes — 435Helicopters — 348UAV — 148021 (+883)Cruise missiles — 4384 (+37)Ships (boats) — 29Submarines — 2Cars and cisterns — 80180 (+116)Special equipment — 4075Military personnel — aprx. 1265130 people (+1280)
>>529331813> does Ukraine have a right to self sovereignty? what is a Ukraine? fantasy states dont have sovereignity, Ukraine is "real" like the Principality of Sealand> Were they actually "bullied" by Putin and company?whats with the childs talk? Putin had to react due to a massive genocide of russian speakers in the Donbas> I notice most of the people ballyhooing Ukraine/Zelynsky seem to be women and cucks.they sure are. Also mentally ill often
>>529332980fuck off back to moscow
>>529331813You're right and they only support Ukraine because it's current thing, just like the vax
>>529333057>>529332724ZIGGER ON A VPNKILL GLAVSET AND THEIR FAMILIES
>>529332795go back to the ukraine hohol
>>529332918Wow so cool posting all this mindless bloodshed all at the behest of failing empires lining up to see who can be first to such the skin off of chink dick during the next 100 years mandated by heaven.
>>529333057Reminder that Covid-19 disappeared 5 seconds after Putin gone in.
>>529333031hello draft dodger xoxol. youll be brought into the meatgrinder soon when zelenskys henchmen run out of men to catch
>>529332314not the worst analogy if you don't consider religionI would then say Putin wants to do to Ukraine what Israel is doing to Palestine
>>529331813Picrel is a default state of average westoid after Obama's "reset".
>>529332795>>529332918>>529333031>>529333141
>>529331813You'll never understand anything if you need someone to tell you how to think
>>529332758It's a Korsakoff Syndrome on international level.>I must beat the shit out of my neighbor because vodka voices in my head told me so
>>529333141Predictably dull reply.
>>529331813The equivalent would be Russia attacking Alaska.
>>529333543back to ukraine hohlina
>>529333543If this were to be solved fairly then everyone not from Donbas would be banned from entering it for allotted time and actual referendums would be taken. The military base in Crimea, the resources and people in Donbas- these things couldn’t merely be given over to the Euromaidan gov by Russia. Use your head. Any government would be incompetent to let those regions be taken away. The only problem is that Putin didn’t do this sooner in 2014 before Biden rushed in loads of arms.
>>529331813Replace Ukraine with Canada and then pretend Trump has been president for 22 years
>>529333446Kurwin follower detected. In 2009 Kurwin sucked Putin's dick so hard he made the poor russian despot impotent.Na drzewach zamiast liści wisieć będa korwiniści.
>>529333694Why do you guys always write in the same style? Or maybe it's just one vodka nigger typing this all shit for years.
The reality is that /pol/ likes a winner and at present neither side is winning. Once one side is obviously winning we'll likely support them just so we can troll the other side harder. Sad but true. The only fags that already have a preference are either paid shills or anons that have fallen for their propaganda.
>>529332725Chechen people haven't ever wanted to separate, they are not self-sufficient at all. There were only leaders who wanted to turn Chechnya into a second Afghanistan.
>>529333761Never voted for Korwin. Try again idiot.And just because I don't like Hohols doesn't mean I like Russniggers. See this: >>529333014
>>529333662I was once in Lvov. An oligarch's feast for a price of a mediocre steak & beer in Kraków. At some point man starts to wonder what kind of business he could start there and how many goons he could hire to eliminate all competition. Felt good. Like a lord. Like a Polish Pan.
>>529334131Then what's the problem? They are culling down ruskies. The more they kill the better.
>>529331813Yeah they do but they’re ultimately in the wrong in this situation.They coup’d the government in 14 and people (ethnic Russians) who didn’t want the corrupt bullshit to be used to drag them into the EU started getting killed by the jewkraine government. They gave Putin every excuse for war and they were encouraged to do so by a lot of money laundering US kikes who are still just using the war to steal western tax dollars.
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>>529333761You remind of the idiots at the car repair shop that I was at couple months ago and they were crying like bitches about Mentzen, Braun and Korwin and whatever. I came in yesterday to have my oil changed and it turned out they cannot handle implementing Ksef that PO and PiS served them. Guess they might be closing shop soon.
>>529334500The 2014 initial maidan government under Poroshenko was legitimately a fascist state with crony capitalism. Zelensky gave it a nicer image.
>>529332725No. Have you seen Chechens?Absolute barbarians.To hell with the lot of them.
>>529334633People forget the Nuland puppet Poroshenko was the most corrupt cunt there was
>>529334464When Zelensky loses power and runs to Israel just like Timur Mindich did, then Hohols may as well elect an anti-polish government and you will have another Wołyń problem.Print out this post and put it on your fridge.
>>529334098ExactlyThier leaders came from the Mujahideen and were trained and funded by the CIA. Operation Cyclone.All you have to do is pay a muslim religious leader enough cash and you can holy war anywhere.
>>529334856Yeah, Zelensky only came to power because he put a nicer “outsider” face on the regime because P was too obviously corrupt and shitty
>>529334500>>529334633>>529334856The only thing I remember from this period is Viktor Yushenko getting chloracne from PCBs.
>>529332599this is bottomline correct and i share that PoV.
We need to make an example out of ukraine. I want russia to conquer all of ukraine and butcher these gays and install an authoritarian system there.
>>529331813No, they weren't bullied, they just invaded themselves, you low IQ baboon.
>>529335302thank you
>>529331813>ZiggerThat word is only used in one thread on this entire board and the trannies that infest that thread. Nobody else uses it.
People in the west only "support" the current thing out of boredom. They don't have children or hobbies, they're just addicted to their fucking phones and fill their spare time, of which there's a lot because they're boring low IQ retards, with endlessly barking into the void hoping to feel validated.
>>529333141>ZIGGERThe only people who use this term are NAFO
>>529335126Warzecha what are you doing on 4chan? Go back to your facebook group. Nobody is going to like you here.
>>529332724it is an eye opener to see for real how accurate all the stereotypes about the jews.> incites wars> prolongs wars> parasite on their host> abduct, fuck & kill children> practice culture of schizo-satanismimagine being a people so repulsive that you've been kicked out repeatedly... the jews live in hell and it shows.
>>529335486Nobody in the west gives a shit about Ukraine just like they don't give a shit about Iran. It's not even in the top 20 of concerns for Americans. Ukriane appears at like number 80 or 90.
>>529334633So what changed? It's still literally a fascist state with crony capitalism except now it has no money or production.
>>529335590The Jew: war inciter, war prolonger.
>>529335551>Nobody is going to like you here.Nobody responded to you positively so it's you who nobody likes around here. I am afraid you are just repeating something somebody told you and it hurt your feelings.
>>529331813>Help me understandSure tell us your suburb and we'll send 10,000 heavily drunken Russian conscripts to demand sovereignty over your property.I think your dumb fucking ass will understand very well at that point, whence in 7 pieces spread half a mile apart.But lets be honest, you aren't American and never were.
>>529335126Think 3 have run to Israel so far. One just sent to Dubai first. What a heckin coincidencerino.
>>529331813The right of self-governance belongs to any people who can assert it and protect it by force of arms.This is what our founding fathers concluded 250 years ago.This is really the core issue in the conflict with Ukraine as a nation asserting its independence from Russia, and the donbass republics asserting their independence from the Ukraine. Both groups have the same right to assert their claims and defend them however they feel appropriate, including by requesting external assistance (as we ourselves did with the French and Spanish in our struggle against the British).Ultimately the question of which side is right will be determined by nature's God.As I see things, Russia is incapable of asserting their rule over Ukraine, therefore Ukraine is independent.Likewise, Ukraine has proven incapable of asserting their control over the donbass, therefore it is independent. This is simply the way of these things as it has been for thousands of years.
>>529335861Odd most of the donbass citizens went to Russia then. Nearly all did.
>>529335752Great post Warzecha. I expected nothing less from you.Now explain how Ukraine, a country that is supposedly crippled by war, depopulated, impoverished and kept in check by massive debts, successfully attacks Poland, the only European NATO member country with a real army.
>>529336591Everything you say is wrong, retard. We don't have proper army equipment, because the agents in the government gave it away to Ukraine. Michał Kuczmierowski ran to Britain because of it.
>>529332599Checked and correct
>>529331953Damn, I guess I support Putin then
>>529336785>muh T-72s are gone>nevermind they are unmaintainable now>we are doomed without them>the end is nigh>remember Wołyn2022 called, wanted its weak ass propaganda back
>>529331813>does Ukraine have a right to self sovereigntyas much as it pains me to say it, yes
Everything makes more sense when you replace "russia" with "locust"
>>529331813I think sovereignty from the US infiltration would be a good start for them.
>>529331813>2026>hurr durr ukraineyou ziggers are pathetic.1488 TZD
>>529332599This is the uncomfortable truth that the pro-ukraine side never acknowledges.The current Ukraine government is the product of coup that the eastern provinces didn't support and refused to acknowledge. They couldn't oppose the coup itself, so they choose to acknowledge the new government while declaring independence from it.The new regime could have let the provinces go, but instead decided to try to integrate them by force and spend 8 years trying to do so.>but the rebellions weren't legitimate! They were Russian plots!This is like claiming the American revolution was a French plot.Sure they were undoubtedly involved as supporters and advisors, but it doesn't change that the broader population supported the movement.Look at the election results in Ukraine for the the years before the coup.The eastern oblasts consistently voted for the pro-russian candidate
>>529332725They failed to assert it successfully, so now.Now might be a good time to take a second crack at it though, which is probably why vladdy has been treating the checkers very kindly and even make them exempt from the draft.He doesn't want to give weapons, training, and motivation to a potential separatist population.Sure would be a shame if the US started doing that instead...
>>529338035>the coup >eastern provinces>the new regime Ivanushka you must put some effort into your american flag larp. It's unacceptable what you're doing. Shame.
>>529332758The fact that the concept of Ukrainian nationalism even exists is proof of failing Russian imperial influence. This war is a last desperate act of a dying empire.
>>529331813All I know is that /uhg/ are infinitely seething keyboard warriors that see jacking off to slav confetti videos as the greatest contribution to the war cause.What insufferable faggots.
>>529331953LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd-p4Kj5EC4
>>529338590So true. And they keep getting bumped by same 3-5 retards.
>>529335949Thanks for the input, pops
>>529338202and JIDF posting from behind the Polish flag shows up, what a surprise
>>529331813no no no man why would you ever consider sovereignty? russia obviously has the right to stomp on the heads of every single one of their neighbors no questions asked, and clearly, nato, the organization responsible for the longed period of prolonged peace in europe, is as fault, clearly.
>>529339310Shalom
>>529336861its okay the azov battalion are nazis so you should support them too
>>529331813>a right to self sovereigntyNobody has a "right" to this. You take what you can and you only keep what you can defend and hold on to. If your nation can't have sovereignty because they mismanaged the nation and its alliances that's a skill issue.
>>529331813Ukraine has a US puppet regime installed in a coup. That puppet dictatorship repeatedly attacked Russians in the East of the Ukraine fo years and was ethnic cleansing the people out of their homes. Then the puppet dictatorship was ordered to try and join NATO after repeated warnings that that would trigger an invasion. If the Ukrainian dictatorship cared about self sovereignty, they would kill themselves and let the Ukrainians hold an election.
>>529341720>attacked Russians in the east of Ukraine Ah, you mean these coup guys that Russia has sneaked in? Like Strelkov, right? Those who started an actual coup against Kyiv after russian puppet Yanukovich has been thrown out, took all his golden bread and golden toilets (that’s not a joke, you can google it up) and fled to Rostov?
