>Hates Trump>Hates America>Hates Europe>Hates capitalism>Thirdworldism>Idolizes anti American dictatorships like Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, etc>Praises Islamic terrorists>Praises unironic commies>Unironic decades old tankie talking points>Wants the global south to overtake the global northWhat more proof do you need? woke rightoids are just leftoids in the closet
>memeflagnot even gonna read this
>>530495820And that's a good thing. We all should hate pedophiles
>>530495820I just wanted to live with white people. They can bring back gay communism or whatever just keep Eastern Europe white. Y'all niggas in the West can drive expensive cars and uh, whatever.
>>530495820Then fuck off back to xigger you kike lover
this is retardedpeople run to perceived locations of wealth or gibs or bothnon-upper-crust people are not in a hurry to leave generous social welfare states for muh libertard free market
>>530495820>hating international zionism is left wing
>>530495820I do not care about left vs right anymore nigger.The "right" was just a bunch of jew puppets.Trump, my country, now even Japan.I don't care about that anymore. You are just another israeli operative thinking this divisive strategy is still going to hold.
>>530496066The Ayatollah didn't agree with any of that.>>530496181It is a fact.Everyone went to the West because the West is better. No one fled to communism from the West.
Yeah and that's based.
>guys let's please discuss that cake is better than shit>make it 300 comments please I am bored as fuck
>>530495820Fun fact about the whole wall thing:While the GDR did have economic issues guess who destroyed their economy utterly, to the point they still are the economic step child of modern Germany 35 years later?Yep, it wasn't Honnecker, it was the Capitalists who ran it into the ground.
>>530495820our "right" in picrel
>>530495820shut up nigger
>>530495820Anyway, fact is: nationalism is absolutely retarded.Its only valid form, the only form accepted on /pol/, is ethnonationalism run by a philosopher king, or to a lesser extent: beneficient national socialism.And which such countries are there, if any? The closest thing to /pol/s ideal unironically is China and North Korea, for all their flaws - they certainly aren't perfect.In other words /pol/ isn't so much left wing as whatever you think is "riight wing" is a load of propaganda bullshit. The organic support Trump receives on /pol/ is because he's a lolcow and has the potential to destroy the USA or at least do masive damage to it.Furthermore /pol/ is famously "contrarian" = despises the antichrist, ZOG, globohomo and jewish behaviour, in addition to an opposition to progressive/repressive ideology.The short of it: /pol/ is more about being against things than for them.
>>530495820Is that why his teslas refuse to drive draft dodgers over the border?
>>530495820Pol was never a right wing board. It was always a cause seething and butthurt board.
>>530497518It's a bit ironic but there used to be, and still are, occasional threads with actual civilized intellectual debate, where shitposting and seething is somewhat limited because it overloads the brain of anyone not belonging here. Heavily time-zone dependent too, as either there's an extreme excess of retards or insufficient big brain people present to sustain it, but if it works it just works.
>>530495820>>Hates TrumpImmeasurably disappointed>>Hates AmericaJust the people in charge and foreigners residing here>>Hates EuropeSee America>>Hates capitalismI hate crony capitalism aka crapitalism>>ThirdworldismNo>>Idolizes anti American dictatorships like Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, etcI sympathize with Russia's position, fuck the rest>>Praises Islamic terroristsHard NO>>Praises unironic commiesHard NO>>Unironic decades old tankie talking pointssuch as?>>Wants the global south to overtake the global northObviously not. Why would I want even more brown low human capital eaters in my country?ALL FIELDS
>>530495820Esau gambit fatigue
>>530495820>doesn't name the jewnice try, moshe. if the orange nigger wants to be like he'll have to detach his jaw from netanyahu's cock.
>>530495820Based. That's what politically incorrect originally means. Nature is healing
>>530495820When the Berlin wall fell the people from west Berlin run out actually as they were inside east Germany , it wasn't a north/south Korea situation , west Berlin was inside soviet controlled territory
>>530495820You're jewish.
I don't give much of a shit about Iran or any of those other countries, I'm just fucking sick of Pissrael
>>530498667Shh don't tell the retard that he will get upset
>>530498667Correct. Beyond this is was mostly a problem of families having been separated and people wanting to visit their relatives.In principle this wasn't even an issue while the wall was up; it was made an issue by people using it as a pretext to abscond or defect, and there it's worth pointing out the Western nations didn't exactly look fondly upon people trying to defect to the East either.Aside from that it was mainly fueled by propaganda from either direction. Some people behind the Iron Curtain defected because they bought the western propaganda, and some went to Soviet territory because they bought communist propaganda.>both were disappointed
>>530495820>/pol/ has more in common with leftoids than rightoids at this pointleft/right is a distraction. the usa has been seized by chrisitan zionists, they're fascists, there might not even be elections in a few years. EVERYONE MUST UNITE AGAINST ISRAELI CONTROL. it doesn't matter if its a republican or democrat, who will promise to cut ties with israel? Who will eradicate israeli money from your politics? because you're not in control of your own country anymore, and the people need to unite. left/right is a distraction. don't vote for anyone unless they promise to be done with israel for good.
>>530495820>shits>farts>shits>fards>shits>farts>shits>fardsDoesn’t matter when they still overly simplify complex social issues and sound like complete retards while doing so.
>>530495820I’ll side with anyone to accomplish my ultimate goal of TKD.If leftshits succeed where conservacucks have failed, then so be it.
>>530499160This is an often misunderstood issue.Fundamentally the communists were extremely anti-semitic simply because "jews" couldn't exist in Socialism: there was only good, faithful workers adhering to Marxist ideology and subversives, reactionaries, bourgeoisie and so on. They made no other distinction.>you're either with us or against usAnd if you were with them you had no ethnicy, no nationality, no religion. You were only soviet. They thought these things undermined communist unity.So while those jews who gave up their faith and jewish behaviour were quite successful those who refused to give up their jewish identity fared badly.
>>530495820Tldr, I hate Jews and Niggerjews, so the (((Liberals and / or Conservative))) games don't really work anymore, Jew Anon
>>530498173>Immeasurably disappointedYeah but that's different to hating him for btfoing Iran solely. >Just the people in charge and foreigners residing hereA lot of /pol/ hates America and cheers for its demise.>I hate crony capitalism aka crapitalismThere isn't a difference unless you want big gubment intervention which is making it less capitalism than before.>such as?Here's an example'America is a crumbling empire and this will be its downfall' Something that was said by every commie during the GWOT which never ended up coming true.'America has never won a war in 80 years'Another obviously incorrect nonsensical talking point that is spammed all the time by seething thirdists and demoralized useful idiots.A lot of the alt right stuff is 100% lifted from tankies with a few small tweaks. Talking about how degenerate and decadent the West is compared to (insert whatever dictatorship you can think of) is another example of this.>Obviously not. Why would I want even more brown low human capital eaters in my country?Don't ask me. I'm not in favor of it.>>530499160No>>530498619That's like saying antifa or reddit's worldnews page are real politically incorrect for complaining about orange man and saying the Iran war is bad.The most politically incorrect position today is to be an unapologetic neoconservative who thinks George W. Bush should get a third term or maybe an unapologetic 'globalist' type who thinks Bill Clinton was the greatest POTUS of all time. That's the political viewpoint that causes maximum butthurt from everybody today. Being far left and far right is passé today, everyone does it on the internet. Safe edgy.
America it's just like soviet union, a nation controlled by Jews that aims to destroy all tradition
>>530499999>>530500000
I would vote for a left politician who rejected israeli controlI would vote for a right politician who rejected israeli controlI would vote for a centre politician who rejected israeli controltime's up for the zionists, they will regret what they've done
Guys, maybe read a book. I wish I could extract the childish stupidity from this website. The way in which everyone speaks with so much certainty hurts my brain. Most of you are narcissists looking for theater and emotional thrill because you are looking for community. Sadly psychopaths in or society feed on your fear and are now winning by a large margin. Come to your own conclusions, think for yourself, reject isms.
>>530496181This. It has nothing to do with socialism or capitalism or whatever bullshit people say. East Berlin was buckbroken, west was semi functional at best.
>>530500412>The most politically incorrect position todayis pretty hard to pin down, especially now that antisemitism has gone mainstream.>/pol/ is finishedThey tore out our heart. Even hating on gender ideology isn't all that politically incorrect anymore.May be best to admit that the entire idea of "political correctness" is dying; was just a momentary phenomenon a kiked bullshit system used to try shut down dissent.
>>530495820>be me a centrist>dislike rightoids and leftoids that make choices in detriment of their country and people >get blasted because "I hold no beliefs"Now, I didn't dislike trump, but some retarded puppet choices he's made have made me dislike him. I don't hate capitalism but becoming filthy rich without giving back (and no I don't mean free gibs) but something more, controversial, like a good fucking paying job that allows you to at least feed a family of three, have a home and live decently, should be the golden standard.>thirldworldism People like some of our culture so they import it, albeit in a retarded way.I don't praise islam i dislike Israel and their constant meddling and subversion of other countries. Should fuck off and accept to just live with us, under or rule without all the evil shit they do (they won't).The fuck you mean global south?
>>530495820>The side that needs to build a wall to keep people from leaving is the bad side.>Soviet union also had a thing called 'istitution of residency' for various "Stans" in Central Asia, to they all would be kept there, and not migrating to Moscow or other Slavic regions.Maybe economic wealth at the cost of homogeneity and cohesion of your people, at the cost of fucking everything, like you think in the West, it not such a good idea afterall?Elon must is a fucking idiot. That's the moral of the story here.
>>530495966That's a nice Pepe.
>>530495820Fight your own wars, jew coward
>>530500924>reject isms.zionism is a danger to world peace and the united states. you're israeli
>>530501196>elon musk is a fucking idiot. That's the moral of the story herebased and true
>>530500733Based
>>530495820>Hates capitalismWe don't even have capitalism.The modern world operates under financialism.
>>530501445Incorrect. The political parties that drive decisions in both Israeli and US governments are. Zionism is just the dream of a Jewish homeland. It holds no monolithic political leanings, simply this current administration is particularly violent and opportunistic. It’s the obsession with the nation state all countries can fall ill to. It’s not just the Jews you fucking moron. All countries in the world are ruled by the world bank- looking to enslave women, men, and alike invoked via nationalistic furor.
>>530501837Correct!
>>530503035>Zionism is just the dream of a Jewish homeland. It holds no monolithic political leaningswrong. the zionist occupation in the middle east has majority popular support for genocide. they want to kill arabs wholesale. I will assume you simply don't know and you're not a bad faith actor.>this current administration is particularly violentanon israel was born of terrorism and appalling genocide. they have been doing it ever since. they have attacked almost every country around them. zionism is unequivical support for this horrific occupying force. it's not the jews. it's extremist jews called zionists. they're like islamic jihad, or westboro baptist. they're what happens when people take religion too seriously and use it as a tool to kill. we must unite to defeat them so we can live in peace
>>530495820>when the Berlin wall fellSay "hello" to the social market economy, Strull: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy
>>530503550Sorry friend, but you are brainwashed. Killing Jews isn’t going to make your life any easier.
>>530495820The ketamine retard twitted againAnd you screencapped and posted it here You're a faggot, only jeets use twitter anymore
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>>530503866>Killing Jewsit's not killing jews. stop trying to conflate them. this is about a group doing terrible violence and they must be stopped. in western countries israeli influence must be dismantled, and we must isolate them economically and militarily until their people overthrow their evil government. they are so brainwashed that their hate will take generations to deprogram, and we will need to help them with peacekeeping forces and bases near their country. they must not be allowed to continue as they are. you need to inform yourself. look up the nakba
>>530495820Wow anon you just discovered nazbols. Congratulations!
>>530495820westerners are mentally ill
>>530495820But american lefties wish they were European. It is kinda sad. But you can hurt them with it.
>>530503035>It’s the obsession with the nation state all countries can fall ill to.>countries can fall ill Although it's worth pointing out this isn't what actually happens in practice.Instead it's always a regime running that show, contingent on maintaining its power, amplifying and utilizing the people's patriotism for their own ends.Especially in the modern day people don't fight for their country, or to protect their country, in most cases, but fight to keep their current political leadership or government regime in power.>All countries in the world are ruled by the world bankI don't think that's quite right. There isn't some kind of world government putting on a big play, only a certain solidarity between regimes, class solidarity, in a manner of speaking, like a union of politicians.One could say geopolitics is countries conflicting over their individual interests, but often the reality is worse in that it's simply the regimes looking to strengthen themselves, to benefit personally, instead of serving their nation. It depends mainly on how closely aligned a regime is with the country it is ruling; most will prefer losing half the country and maintaining power over doubling the might of the country only to be overthrown and this benefit serving another regime that comes after.>not that regimes actually get overthrownProbably their main concern, above even strengthening themselves, is preserving themselves as a regime. Consequently they might fight an utterly destructive war that ruins the nation totally even if all the enemy asks for is a change in the ruling regime - an objectively trivial matter, from the perspective of a country as such, and which would have little to no negative effect on the country or people.>but nah, they want to install a different but identical king! It's time for all of you to die, my dear underlings.
>>530503035>All countries in the world are ruled by the world bankI don't suppose any demographic might be disproportionally represented among those bankers, anon?>>530503550>they want to kill arabs wholesale.Yes, and they also want to eliminate White Europeans wholesale. The so-called "woke right" are merely those who recognize the latter fact and see it as a bad thing.The neocon right is Israel first. The left is "anything nonwhite" first. The true right is "my people first," and in America and Europe, that means White people, their homelands, and their descendants.
>>530503550>has majority popular support for genocideActually Netanyahu's government only has an approval rating around 30-40%, last I checked. Probably less now that it's raining Iranian missiles. I suggest you have a look at the composition of the Knesset, and what parties there are.Beyond this you should consider that regimes have a tendency to brainwash their populace.
>>530504986every western journalist who goes to israel and just walks in the street and asks random people if they support the war on gaza or iran will tell you overwhelmingly they do, and some will literally call for death to all arabs 'for peace'. there are 450million arabs. they're a tiny warlike problem for the whole world and it was a mistake to let them begin the occupation. I agree that populations become brainwashed, which is why we need to save as many israelis as we can, peacefully. we neutralise them, perhaps a reverse iron dome, containing their warmongering. we park some serious military hardware in bases around them. if we need, we sanction them. they illegally developed nuclear weapons, we must take control of this stockpile as they are the most willing to nuke this planet. they have promised to do it if they feel their occupation could end. we must wait for their own people to come to their senses, but letting them attack everyone else and ruin the peace we've all wanted and worked towards is wrong. dismantle israeli influence in our governments, contain israeli wealth from our media. this is a matter of survival for the world and it needs people brave enough to say this.
>>530505564>and some will literally call for death to all arabs 'for peace'.Sounds like a lot of threads on /pol/ on any given day then.
>>530500733>All the retards in the world are united in this one beliefShocking stuff.>I would vote for a left politician who rejected israeli controlThen you don't have any actual beliefs in politics because 'Israel' is the center of your universe.Voting for a marxist who would wreck the country just because 'Israel' is the peak of stupidity.
>>530495820Read the room
>>530505564>journalistI just told you regimes brainwash people, no? But this is not merely displaying the result of such brainwashing but also active brainwashing in itself.>those voicing concern or being critical get cut out before it airs>"Look goyim-I mean fellow jews! Everybody supports our obviously correct position! Even the rabbi says so!"Same case when those media cater to "allies". Bibi will be happy to personally stuff the journalist's pockets with tax shekels so he tells those "allied" cattl--goyi---friends! what serves him.There are groups in the USA significantly more supportive of Israel's right-wing policies than actual Israelis, like the Judeo-Christians.Why would Israeli "democracy" or regime dynamics work any differently from how it does elsewhere? They just have the benefit of US (regime) backing, while support from the US populace actually crumbles significantly.
>>530504986>Probably less now that it's raining Iranian missilesThe other way around bucko.Adversity makes us stronger
>>530505988>Shocking stuff.Ask yourself how that could come to pass, will you?>despite their best effortsReally sad story. Last thing they were told was:>sorry, your image can't be fixed anymore; your best bet is simply encouraging hostility towards muslims>'Israel' is the center of your universe.He said "israeli control"; by extension: zionist influence. As elucidated in other posts: country=/=regime.>Voting for a marxist who would wreck the country just because 'Israel' is the peak of stupidity.Rather highly illustrative of what I just explained here:>>530504742>their absolute worst fear is actual changes in regimesWith Marxists naturally at the top of the list, above even Nazis.So are you a literal employee? Or just cohencidentally an expert propagandist?
>>530496181Nordic countries stagnated after adopting socialist policies.And that's while being rich and having Nordic people.
>>530500089The entire communist leadership was full of Jews. You're just a retarded commie who uses motivated reasoning.
>>530506323You're without doubt better informed on the matter than I am, but whether it's "making us stronger" instead of "propaganda doubling down"?Although there's no reason it can't be both.
>>530495820>pump billions of dollars of aid and investment into west berlin for propaganda purposes>weak-willed krauts fill their snouts at the troughberlin should have been turned into a new carthage
>>530495820My orifice on the female body is the anus
>>530506704>illiterate>disinformation>ad hominemCaptain PlanetNothing can force you to read, or comprehend, or accept historical facts, but it would probably be healthy.
>>530495820America and Europe aren't capitalist.
>>530506932>ad hominemYes, that is what you just did, commie subhuman.„Siegt der Jude mit Hilfe seines marxistischen Glaubensbekenntnisses über die Völker dieser Welt, dann wird seine Krone der Totentanz der Menschheit sein, dann wird dieser Planet wie einst vor Jahrmillionen menschenleer durch den Äther ziehen.“ -Hitler
>>530506664>Nordic countries stagnated after adopting socialist policiesyeah that sovereign wealth fund in Norway is total stagnation, good one brazil. this isn't how to get attention btw
You don't do the thing so you are _________Your a Jew.
>>530507122Hitler somehow is the one politician who didn't lie?And look how his fight against the Soviets worked out. I thought it was supposed to be an easy victory? Why wasn't it?>because he ignored reality and advice, and assumed his opponent was fundamentally inferiorSame mistake you're making, although I don't mean to put you on the same level as Hitler.Although I don't mean to say your statement was totally 100% incorrect. It's just misleading and held true for only a decade or so.One thing you really ought to learn is that the "commie jew" and zionist or religious jews are very different breeds.>it could save your life
>>530507511>Hitler somehow is the one politician who didn't lie?Oh, so you stopped supporting National Socialism (they had a lower corporate taxes than we do now) and are just a full-fledged, marxist commie? It's strange how dishonest all the leftist political posters are. You all try to act as if you are tpart of the in-group, but you are nothing but vile snakes.
>>530495820The good side lost in 1945.
>>530495820It's just shills, browns and redditniggers feeling emboldened right now. They think /pol/ is finally on their side, when it's really just them replying to each other. Fake and gay spam dialed up to 11.
>>530507895BTW this "good side" had legal brothels and encourage extramarital sex, similar to West Germany, wich you obviously want to portray in the picture as bad
>>530507747>you are nothing but vile snakesgerman anon I have nothing but affection for you and your country. every german I've ever met was really nice and being honest, smarter than most. as a marxist commie I want the best for everyone, you, me, everyone on earth. I hate nobody. even israel I think is just a victim we need to care for like a dangerous mental patient. we are not vile snakes for wanting you to be able to live peacefully with health and fun in your life. look into who might have brainwashed you into thinking this. anytime you hear yourself being hateful, question it.
just like leftoids calling me a fascist did not change my mind, migagolems calling me a leftoid will not change my mind. Cope and seethe, faggots.
>>530508113>as a marxist commieWell, at least you're honest.> I hate nobodyI hate a lot of people.
>>530498173Literally every other thread is people interested in nuking America and cheering when Iran hits an American target even if they are fake stories.
>>530495820>at this pointMy negro, /pol/ has been an extension of hasan's chat for years now. There are almost no anons from pre-2020, much less pre-2016 left anymore. The sun sets on us all eventually.
>>530495820he liednonononoonly China because they're NatSoc and the BRI puts pressure on jewsnosee two abovenono2.33/10
>>530495820i remember a few years ago when people were saying /pol/ would swing left.i was hoping they would be cool stalinists or something and post motivational soviet propaganda.but no they are just retarded pro third world america haters. Thats a shame
>>530495820>Hates TrumpWhy yes, I do hate jewish cocksucking pedophile traitors.>Hates AmericaI hate modern America full of gay tranny niggerspics and crippling authoritarianism that is weaponized to hurt the native White population to favor brown animals.>Hates EuropeSee above.>Hates capitalismI hate crony capitalism that is weaponized to turn the population into serfs.>Thirdworldism>Idolizes anti American dictatorships like Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, etc>Praises Islamic terrorists>Praises unironic commies>Unironic decades old tankie talking points>Wants the global south to overtake the global northYes, I'm sure all of this was real in your mind, heeb.
>>530496899>they certainly aren't perfect.This is the weakest argument one can possibly make>/pol/ is more about being against things than for themIt's both simultaneously. The world is too complex, you can't stand for anything without opposing something.
>>530508484>hates browns and islam but gets big mad when trump attacks themSomething doesn't add up
>>530495820Leftists have basically fully converted to antisemitism at this point, they don't even care. If you ever call out actual antisemitism they'll just be like "who gives a fuck, there are worse problems in the world." Whereas rightoids are fully kikeslaves and even the internet Nazis had their ideology molded by Epstein
>>530508811>Leftists have basically fully converted to antisemitism at this pointOnly because they think jews are white and a threat to their pet niggerinos. You think this is /pol/'s stance?
>>530508477>proceeds to post one of the biggest america hatersOkay
>>530497110You know that was fake right? Do you believe every twitter post posted on /po/?
>>530508685There's a difference between hating browns and hating having them in your country. I don't have any positive or negative thoughts about groids in Africa; I simply don't care.
>>530508811>even the internet Nazis had their ideology molded by Epsteini tried to look into this and couldnt find anything predating the original /n/ or /news/do you have any links anon
>>530509072>/po/are cybertrucks really folded from one piece of steel?
>>530508315>I hate a lot of people.well stop it, what does that solve? why would you even want to be like that? we all want to be your friend and have fun. You want that too. We all can just love each other like family. Now more than ever, we have the technology. I won't give up on you or anyone.
>>530509147>genocide the boer sheeit the white race dont even exist
>>530509147Because niggers in africa have nothing. You should care if they have access to nukes and a stranglehold on precious resources.
>>530495820That's true. And?
>>530507747>you stopped supporting National SocialismIn a manner of speaking, yes, but mainly because it was a larp and poorly executed in some respects.With nationalism it depends whether it is implemented for the good of the nation, or exploited for the benefits of a regime.Usually it's the latter, and while Hitler had a more mixed approach, doing some things riight and some things wrong, it still had too much of the latter.Although there may be a more crucial underlying issue:>ideology in itself is shitWhat matters is the facts of reality. Ideology is just posturing or make-belief, and more harmful the further detached from reality it is, wherever it lays on the spectrum.This is why I am concerned more with historical facts than doctrine.
>>530509230>We all can just love each other like family.This is a good example of Christcuck philosophy, which was adopted by leftists; in reality, we are kin-sected and unequal.
>>530495820>elect trump to get rid of leftoids>join the leftoids when trump turns out to be a disappointmentlol nohttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBYsQE4Pxb4&pp=0gcJCcUKAYcqIYzv
>>530495820Why you have to suck jewish cock?
>>530495820Left vs right is a false dichotomy.
>>530509411>What matters is the facts of reality. Ideology is just posturing or make-belief, and more harmful the further detached from reality it is, wherever it lays on the spectrum.This is why I am concerned more with historical facts than doctrine.If you were aware of reality you wouldn't write something so deranged. There is nothing more removed from reality than you commies, in almost every aspect.
>>530509245a Boer would be an example of someone that does care. I'm not a Boer. You cannot convince me to give a shit about niggers running around below the sahara, it's not my problem. >>530509270>but what if the niggers had wakanda and nukes and sheeeeeit?is this a serious question? If you need some minerals just flash some cash, mine, then leave.
>>530508597>This is the weakest argument one can possibly makeIs it an argument at all? I just want to avoid misunderstandings.Praising North Korea is all good, and a good meme, but one shouldn't be wilfully ignorant of the problems it has.What I actually meant to say there is that there is no country /pol/ can support unequivocally. A few are a little more aligned with poltard doctrine, but none embodies it (as far as I'm aware).
>>530509623other way around, you not wanting groids in your country is you caring about the white race
>>530495820There's literally a ptg
>>530509623>is this a serious question?Is that a serious analogy? Because I'm talking about sandniggers who actually have these things.
>>530509619I'm not a commie at all though. I just know about commies.In significant part because there's so much misinformation about them; which forced me to actually research the topic.In the same manner I'm not an "antisemite" either, or a zionist. A practical approach has to be more nuanced. Things aren't so black-and-white in reality.
Leftoids have always been the patriots though. If you are anti-MAGA, you are pro-America.
>>530509477>we are kin-sected and unequal.we can work on that. there is nothing we can't do together. just be willing to let go of unhelpful beliefs. be critical of yourself and just think what is best for you. radical cooperation? or exclusive groups in competition, oppressing each other, hurting other, an endless cycle. what is best for you is best for everyone. unless you want to preserve your unfair advantage over everyone else. when we defund the billionaires we will all live better than you do now. you could do whatever you want with your life, rather than slave in a job you hate, chasing debt. you need to have a dream of a better world. don't accept what the pedo elites are inflicting on us
>>530495820Lots of shills here since the war started. They think this angle will work but its not. My favorite are the "oh man any day now Iran is gonna unleash the real weapons" posters the cope is hilarious.
>>530495820The left hates me for being white. There can be no alliances with those who existentially threaten me.
>>530509975No, you're just trying to moderate yourself after being called out in order to once again assume the façade of the in-group.
>>530509705kind of a pointless distinction though isn't it? One enables the other.>>530509871you said niggers in africa not dunecoons. If the latter start attacking for no reason or moving out of their containment zone you kill them. If they stay put then it goes back to not my problem. That's still hating being around them and not me going out of my way to hate them even when nothing is happening.
>>530495820>thirdworldismThinking for 2 seconds "maybe we're just being assholes and helping no one" works for right-wing isolationists as well as lefty anti-war types. It's also right.
>>530510010Kinda sad it's so hard to find any regime actually aligned with the interests of the nation. Very sad.Now of course it's a complex matter, in part because there is conflict between both regimes and nations, meaning you can't always freely select the best choice, but have to compromise.Worse still some regimes appear to be quite hostile to the nation.But I've pretty much given up on the masses, where politics are concerned. People are too retarded on average, which means there are no real or permanent solutions to this insanity, and even fewer "good" solutions, at least in the short term.
>>530510010This. Open borders, no free speech, no 2A, no voter ID, frankfurt schooling, infinite gibs for nonwhites. That's the American way.
>>530510148>The left hates me for being whiteno socialist hates you, especially not for who you are, or what you look like. we hate people betraying the vision of a better world which we want you to help us with. you think white people won't be involved in every aspect of the socialist peoples movement? we will need experts in everything, whatever you are interested in, we will need you to do. white people have access to amazing resources and knowledge to make amazing things happen. it's literally out decision to start it or not. it will be our gift to humanity because we rule the world as it is going now. when we grow up, there is an amazing peace and happiness and it will be white people who ultimately made it happen by being willing to think differently. but there is no shame in being white, and history is in the past. but we as white people need to let go of our past and embrace peace and happiness.
>>530496256Basically, this. It's the old saying, "Communist problems are real, Communist solutions are retarded." OP wants us to ignore the main issues as "too leftie" and keep fighting among ourselves, instead of discussing fair solutions. Hmm, I wonder who might benefit from that?
>>530509637>but none embodies it (as far as I'm aware)I can't speak for everyone, a good amount of /pol/ would crucify me for this but China is the closest, not the Norks. But yes, obviously I can't support it unequivocally because I'm not Chinese.
>>530510591>no no lefties don't hate White peopleYou fucked up on the intro. Nobody is going to read your paragraph of lies now.
>>530496507But I was told making BASED CAPITALIST TYPEWRITERS in half a city was all but crushing the Eastern Bloc. (This is in fact sarcasm.)
>>530510508versus Zognald America where MAGA abases themselves gleefully for Netanyahu? Zognald can't even close the borders because Israel told him not to you know?
>>530510158Am I? Let me have a look at my previous posts...Well okay I can see now why you'd suspect me, but really I'm just shitting on Capitalism. That doesn't really mean Marxism is better. Marxism is unworkable without extreme repression.
>>530509184One sheet of steel, folded an epic bacon number of times.
>>530495820I've always been a National Socialist.
>>530510467You're the one who brought up niggers in africa, so I told you the difference.>hurr browns aren't a threat to me unless they're in the same roomReally nigger?
>>530510694some people will read it. and in time, the people who want to cooperate will be the vast majority on earth. there is no good reason not to join in.
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>>530495820That's weird I violently disagree with leftist here
>>530510833grok have any wars been fought for capital
>>530510591>no socialist hates youThat's a fucking lie. No National Socialist would hate him, sure but the overlap between rabid antiwhite retards and mainstream socialism is huge. You didn't address multiculturalism and the benefits of cohesion in your gay speech either.
>>530510720>but leftists wouldn't simp for pissrael ON TOP of the dystopian shit you postedYou've lost the plot, tranny. Donny never said closed borders, he said no more illegals and third world floods.
>>530495820The woke right are just browns and trannies.
>>530510678Indeed, I'm pretty far from being able to claim I know the details of all regimes or countries on the planet, but superficially China is the closest, although still developing; I've concluded long ago that they're in effect a national socialist regime now, except more utilitarian, and they, like every other country, have to arrange themselves with reality, or take advantage of their options, which led to this rather extreme capitalism they display on an international level.I am very curious where this will lead long-term however; what happens once they have established their position, accumulated the power, wealth and technology they need? Will they go back and start pushing for world communism? What I do know is that they're not aiming to maintain this status quo in perpetuity; but what exactly do their goals look like?
>>530510910>grok: No, all wars in human history have been fought because of Jews.
>>530495820/pol/ isn't shartblue who came here in 2016.
>>530495820TKD
>>530510955>National Socialistthat's a fascist, it is the polar opposite of a socialist>You didn't address multiculturalism and the benefits of cohesionit's more that everyone just gets to be how they want if they're not hurting each other. it's very basic really. like you get along with your family or your friends and you all help each other. well when that is a whole city or country you're an unstoppable force for good. anything you want buddy, it's yours. you've been lied to about how it could be, and when you find out, you will tell people in basket weaving forums in the dark.
>>530511011>Biden / Kamala didn't touch Iran in 4 years what Zognald did in 6 months for free>Donny never said closed bordersAnd Donny never said he would build a wall and make Mexico pay for it
>>530510811I said if they start attacking then they would have to be dealt with but they aren't a problem if they're doing their own thing in their own place. That's the difference between hating them and hating having to deal with them. What's so hard about this?
>>530495820Yeah, maybe a fusion of the two is the best way forward. A kind of... National Socialism?
>>530495820It's not /pol/. This board is a cheap vector for third world governments to spew their crap, especially with AI chewing through political concepts and language barriers. Unironically reddit is whiter now because liberalism makes browns seethe, but they won't back down so all of the people in the news sections are white. The problem is the mods are still jews and trannies.
/pol/ has been thoroughly subverted. Not a single pre-trump og.
>>530511435the head jannie is a indian-canadian. the comedy writes itself
>>530511246National Socialism is a form of Socialism, not an opposite at all.>it's more that everyone just gets to be how they want if they're not hurting each other.okay well if you're not going to deny it then you're multiculturalist like I thought.>it's very basic really.Only on paper. In reality, culture is genetic in origin and differences generate friction and instability. Not all cultures are compatible and the best route for peaceful coexistence is genuinely global segregation.
>>530510678There is nothing based about China. One of the biggest failed states of the century, despite a large population, per capita wealth is low. Birth rates are even worse than in the West, and it is just as feminist with women quotas for both jobs and parliament.
>>530496899>closest thing to /pol/s ideal unironically is China and North KoreaMost of the dumbasses here know nothing about Asia.
>>530495820It just means pol is infested with bots and browns, the real pol is hard right.
>>530511282Iran wasn't at 60% enrichment at that time. But keep ignoring what she literally said.>closed bordersI know this is leftist kryptonite but you're gonna have to clarify what you mean. Closed borders as in zero immigration, which he didn't say, or closing the border as in actually enforcing the border, which he's doing, contrary to democrats.>>530511292>if they start attacking>just wait for them to launch the nukes bro>just wait for the nigger to start stabbing you>just wait for the pitbull to start mauling youI wonder what causes some whites to have zero self preservation senses.
>>530511761This is a day trader mentality, only looking at yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Zoom out and look at what they came from in recent history. The system itself isn't without merit even if you hate chinks.
>>530503884>only jeets use 4chan anymoreFIFY
>>530495820You have a nato meme flag lol
>>530511246>that's a fascist, it is the polar opposite of a socialistThat's not even remotely true. The founders of fascism had very similar goals to socialists and communists, most of them WERE socialists and communists, trying to deal with what they saw as shortcomings of traditional Marxism. This made them heretics to the existing Marxists, which is why they are so bitterly hated by them to this day.>it's more that everyone just gets to be how they want if they're not hurting each other. it's very basic really. like you get along with your family or your friends and you all help each other. well when that is a whole city or country you're an unstoppable force for goodTits or GTFO.
>>530495820Nah, we just hate jews.
>>530511957>Zoom out and look at what they came from in recent history.I don't see any positive signals from China, just a dying insect colony. They could probably turn it around, but there doesn't seem to be any intellectual basis for that in China, which means the Chinese don't understand the problem. >>530512185> most of them WERE socialists and communistsThey were never communists, you hyper retard.
>>530511759>not an opposite at all.wrong go and look it up. a socialist is not nationalist.>you're multiculturalistso are you. you want the benefits of all the cultures but you want to hate some of them too. do you eat only the food of your culture? do you only listen to the music of your culture? here's a truth nuke: no culture is responsible for their success or failure, because it has always been a group project. your culture liked an idea and copied it, my culture learnt from yours. no culture is above another. if you disagree with that statement you are an extremist but there is still hope, you can change. be honest with yourself and think why you hate other cultures.>>530512185>That's not even remotely trueyes it is. a socialist doesn't want borders. a national socialist would kill anyone not of their nation at their border. they might even use it as a reason to attack other countries and commit genocide. a true socialist is the opposite of fascism, go and do some reasearch.
>>530511246>fascist, it is the polar opposite of a socialistNot quite; Stalinism with its "communism in one country" thing actually was pretty similar to both Fascism and National Socialism, especially when you equate "soviet" with a nationality. There weren't that many differences outside their approach to economy and whom they labeled enemies (except that it was everybody they didn't like).Now of course I understand where you're coming from, as idealist Marxism is quite different from what actually happened in practice; Cuba would be a better example, but also was utterly ruined as an example by the USA taking a massive dump on it uninterrupted for decades.As you know the main challenge in Marxism is making everybody behave like Marxists; they respect diversity in other forms, but require absolute homogenity in this respect.
>>530511910Yeah it's not like Zognald puppetmaster Netanyahu hasn't been calling for an invasion on Iran for over 30 years. Just 2 more weeks bro they'll have nuclear enrichment fr fr. you aren't even American btw that's how you know the programming works
>>530511910>>if they start attackingYes. If they start attacking. This is the most basic level of the prisoner's dilemma.>>just wait for the nigger to start stabbing youThe very first thing I said was I hate living around them, exactly for reasons like this. If they're in their own zone they'll be too busy stabbing eachother over pointless things to worry about anything beyond their immediate location.
>>530497518Yes, energy harvesting. Heil, Bibi!
>>530512185>The founders of fascism had very similar goals to socialists and communists, most of them WERE socialists and communists,until their greed for an effortless grifter life and their sadism got the better of them, and they sold out the workers for the promise of subsidized North Cape trips of colonies in Africa.NatSocs prove that laborism is not necessarily good for the workers.
>>530511820Guess it's fair to say that the issue of authoritanianism is one of the greatest controversies here. Most will be very supportive of some, to keep people in line, but far from everybody will support extreme forms of it.Japan also is a decent example for some aspects of /pol/s ideal society, or at least the Japan of a few decades ago, in terms of culture, cohesion, public order or homogenity, but is it perfect? You be the judge.
>>530512474>but require absolute homogenityI appreciate you understanding what I'm saying.socialism requres homegenity only as far as we agree to care for each other, which is not radical. most people will find that easy to agree with. most people would enjoy a better life. again, easy to agree. some would basically violently resist everyone caring for each other. because they only want to care for themselves and want to live like gods. they need a majority to serve them. those people will be managed in the kindest and most patient way possible. for everyone else, you can do and be whatever you want with you life. it's literally like a dream compared to what we suffer now. you want a nice car, its yours. we don't have enough cars? we make them. there are people who love making cars, designing cars. can't you see that we can use all the infrastructure and knowledge we have and automate the rest, and live a dream like experience. we will look at history and just say never again. ask yourself anon what holds you back from being and doing what you want? is it money? maybe you like fishing, or sailing, or climbing mountains. maybe you love fixing cars. or painting. all of sudden you don't need to do a job you hate and you can be free to do what you love, for all of us. we would be so glad to see what you can do. people will start projects and get people excited to be a part of and go there and help. it's so much better. what even is our system compared to this? it's willing slavery, it's misery. it's lying politicians and billionaires fucking the planet and children. don't dare defend our system
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>>530495820Hello. I am /pol/. I am one person. I am happy that the radical transparency that Trump promised has taken place, and that everyone now knows that the world is run by jewish pedophiles. I cannot imagine a better outcome, or anyone else who would be capable of achieving such an accomplishment. There is no turning back. It is over for you; all you have to look forward to is death. Thank you for your attention to your fate. Enjoy hellfire.
>>530512315Mussolini - socialist, expelled over stance on WWI, turned to fascismGiovanni Gentile - Hegelian and collectivist, saw fascism as the logical conclusion to those ideologies. Remember that "corporatism" at that time referred to a system where everything was part of the state. Sounds pretty socialist to me.Sorel - revisionist Marxist The stance on borders isn't the defining characteristic of the whole ideology, that's stupid and reductionist.
>>530513099>chinks trying to start a race warimagine being afraid of winnie the poo and his small peepee army
>>530495820my shit has ore in common with the toilet than my asshole
>>530496020>nearly entire epstein list is lefties>maintains the opposite is true with no evidenceYwnbaw
>>530513385you talk about the past like it defines the future. you talk like success isn't paved with past failure.no rocket made it to the moon without blown up rockets in the past. a rocket failure is not an excuse to cease the goal of exploring space. when you criticise socialism remember it's a goal worth pursuing because of the terrible suffering we have currently.
>>530512315>They were never communists, you hyper retard.Goebbels was actually a hardcore socialist streetfighter cosplayer whose kink were educated Jewish women.Mussolini dabbled with socialism once too.Ex-leftie fash usually got fash after failing or fucking up a leftie career.Franco OTOH was always a hardcore right-winger; this is at least as common as ex-lefties among fash. Usually it ties in with monarchism or some sort of aristocratic elite.Then there is a third and more rare sort of fash, originating in some reactionary parareligous nation cult which is at the same time explicitly modernist in its bourgeois liberalism. If one considers the caudillismo of Bukele or Milei facist, these would belong here.
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>>530512414Just looked it up, turns out National Socialism is in fact a form of Socialism. You're wrong.>if you disagree with me then you are an extremist It's extremely anti-intellectual and cowardly to set up a discussion like this. You're automatically blocking off anything that you might not want to hear because you fear ideas that you don't approve of. Closed minded. Dull. Boring. No, I don't want the 'benefit' of all of the cultures because some are extremely stupid net negative contributors as in they only take or destroy what exists. There's genuinely no reason to assume that all of them provide a real benefit and we can even observe that they don't as well. I already said that not all cultures are compatible which implies that some are, for those it's no problem.
>>530513646>nearly entire epstein list is leftieswho is on the list is not as relevant as the fact they're all billionaires working together, and there is nothing capitalism or liberal democracy can do to stop them. how does that feel? are you proud of your country anon? what do you like about it
>>530513385>Sorel - revisionist MarxistLiterally the only example you could come up with. Communists and Marxists were almost unanimously hated.
>>530495820how is this zielführend when youre subject to feudalism. i like how schmelon the feudal lord is doing a number on you morons. its like normal for him to bullshit you retards because youre not good anything else.this is the problem here.
>>530513646Migger
>>530510591Bullshit! You never go after anybody shitting on white guys. If you dont accept getting shit on as a white guy in leftist circles your the enemy.No. I dont trust you. I hate you. And I will never fight with you.
>>530513699Socialists and communists are very different in this context. I said they were not communists.
>>530495820>muh left right 2016 called gramps we're simply anit semetic now
>>530513829please tell me how socialists could behave anything like a fascist. try not to use anything from the past, tell me how socialists would oppress you in your country, like fascists would.>No, I don't want the 'benefit' of all of the culturesyou can't separate them from yourself anon. your number were made arabs. the chinese gave us paper and currency. white people started an industrial revolution, with knowledge borrowed from everyone. do you think a single culture is responsible for computers? it is human to learn from each other. your culture, whatever you think that is, is just humans learning from each other. if you close yourself off you stagnate while we will thrive in cooperation. this has always been the case. >some are extremely stupid net negative contributors as in they only take or destroythis is your problem to overcome, these are stereotypes and they're not real. ask yourself why do you think is? who told you to be this way? if you were dying in a desert are you saying you wouldn't take aid from anyone?
>>530512315>I don't see any positive signals from China, just a dying insect colony.Again, are you sure this is the system and not the Chinese themselves? I'm mainly talking about the system here.
>>530513996>If you dont accept getting shit on as a white guy in leftistthat might be your problem, socialists think liberals are even worse than conservatives. nobody should be judged on their face or color or what their people did in the past. a socialist only cares what is in your heart now. are you willing to love everyone in your town or city as though they were your family? its tough for us, we are horribly conditioned to resist it. but the benefit is literally heaven on earth, as best as we all can make it for each other, and they've convinced you not to even give it a try? it's like they need you to defend your own slavery, and you do it
>>530495820>/pol/ has more in common with leftoids than rightoids at this pointWhat an odd thing to say?
>>530514315If it were a healthy system, they would have Islamic levels of women's rights and create intelligent birth-promoting laws, like taxes paid by children to their parents. It is just a surveillance state that cares about self-preservation without any positive vision or understanding of worldly realities. Please point out what respect they are "based".
>>530506651>Ask yourself how that could come to pass, will you?I know how it came to pass. There are a few reasons.Main reason is Leftism is very popular with young people, they view Israel as a racist European colonialist state that's oppressing the poor brown people, therefore they hate it.At the same time there has also been a huge amount of Middle Eastern immigration, and loads of them hate Israel because they hate the Jews because Muslims and Jews have hated each other for a very long time. The leftists ally with the 3rd world immigrants on everything as they just see 'oppressed people :(' when they look at them. Creating the hilarious situation of pampered white liberal protesters waving 'transgenders for Palestine' banners alongside violent Jihadists who want the most conservative oppressive theocracy to replace the liberal Democracies that the leftists are in.>He said "israeli control"; by extension: zionist influence. As elucidated in other posts: country=/=regime.I saw what he said and it's dumb. North Korea is a shithole, no 'Israeli influence', Venezeula is a shithole, Zimbabwe is a shithole, South Africa became a shithole after the white man gave up power to the ANC, Iran is a shithole ever since 1979, Pakistan is a shithole, etc. All these places are shit and it isn't from 'Israeli influence' it's because they're societies with various serious problems, some more than others. It is a dumb argument to make Israel the center of your universe for this reason. It implies voting for morons is a good idea as long as they dislike Israel.This is why /pol/ starts simping for commies these days, it bases all thoughts around the only anti Israel politicians making any headway are leftists.
>>530495820How's the weather at Tel Aviv, rabbi? Rainy with a probability of Iranian drones?
>>530495820>rightoids>leftoidsand what are you, memeflag? a jew? a centrist? an atheist? an atheist centrist jew?
>>530514783when are you signing up to die in your holy desert shithole?
>>530495820fuck Trumpfuck kikesfuck the GOPat least democrats offer gibs after they give your job to jeets
>>530495820And the only people who benefit are muslim communities. Hmmm....Kinda sounds like muslims are the new jews.I wonder when they will NOOOOOOOOOOOOOtice
>>530514284National Socialism wouldn't oppress me in my own country unless you think basic laws and taxes are oppression. Your question is flawed.>you can't separate them from yourself anon.Well, you can on a national level.>with knowledge borrowed from everyoneI just said that some cultures are compatible. Exchanging knowledge like such as paper is valuable, i'm not denying any of this. What I'm saying is that not every culture contributes and some only really know how to destroy.>if you close yourself off you stagnateI'm not advocating for hermitdom. It's possible to have relatively homogeneous nation states while trading and cooperating. You're basically just responding to yourself at this point, this is the problem with leftists. You just deflect, ignore, and start talking to what exists only in your head.>these are stereotypes and they're not real.reality denial
>>530513094You're fundamentally corrrect: one of the main reasons people are so afraid of Marxism is propaganda, brainwashing even, on behalf of the regime, because the communists are one of the very, very few that actually succeeded in overthrowing their regime, and in fact shot those guys to death.>scaryCommon people in principle have nothing to fear or lose in Socialism, as long as it doesn't fail badly or is taken to extremes (like Stalin executing random people or those disasters in agriculture that happened a few times). There's not a whole lot the average person would have to give up to accomodate Communism.>don't do crime or spread subversive materialIt's billionaires and landowners who have to be afraid.These are some of the reasons all the major non-communist regimes did everything in their power to harm communist countries (or even mere associations) and make them look bad, with Cuba the perfect example; nothing is worse for the Capitalist elite than examples of successful Marxism.>le communism failed and can't workYeah definitely not if you're 100 miles from the Florida coast and they absolutely want to kill you by whatever means short of nuclear war for some 70 years. That's gonna leave a mark.Still it turns out to be quite difficult to get people to behave decently without some repression and brainwashing of your own. Whether this is merely a product of hostile propaganda is difficult to say; there definitely is people who absolutely lover exploiting others or being their master.
>>530514666the chinese are a socialist market economy and the greatest success in history. they set 5 year plans and meet them. they are authoritarian and do surveil their people. they crush rebellion and brutally weed out corruption. billionaires serve the public interest or they're fucked. the chinese goal is communism but they know it's a long way off, and they can't do it without helping all of us first. when they say they want peace and mutual success they mean it. the true china pill is this: china prioritises the collective good over individual rights. we prioritise individual freedom and wealth over collective good.the wealthy in our system are so threatened by china that the media will have you hating a country of cooperative traders who decided to look after each other. yes china is authoritarian out of necessity because the CIA/MI6/ASIO etc all send spies and money and weapons to destabilise countries. china is resistant to that because it protects the people. so yeah they get spied on by the CPC but not foreign agents trying to bribe you to betray your people. and Uyghurs get oppressed rather than islamic terrorists ever having a chance to hurt the people. I don't like the social credit score but it means if you are a nice person you have access to everything. if you spit in the street and beat people up or steal, you can't even enter some cities. it's a different way to us, and I think it will relax a bit when we are less hostile to them. my country literally sails our warships right up to the yellow sea and do military exercises on their doorstep and get upset when china sees us off. the west are warmongers and we need to grow the fuck up. there is no conquering the world anymore
>>530514996>To a very dumb nigger awardAre you retarded or just pretending? Most muslim countries, especially the ones sponsoring terrorism in Europe, support Israel against Iran and have been attacked by Iran in recent days.
>>530512689The sandnigger can stab you from across the ocean if you let them build up their nukes. You're again being the caricature I described with "if they're not in the same room they're not a threat." Get a clue nigger.>>530512631The IAEA said their enrichment is at 60%, what the fuck else are you supposed to go by? You're not fooling anyone you brown tranny. Shitlibs are both israeli puppets and anti white, anti American psychos >>530510508 >>530511011
>>530495820We're more of an anti-semite place, what you listed are all direct consequences of having jewish in our mist
>>530515538are you not concerned about israels secret nuclear weapons program? why would you not be worried about any of the religious nutters in the middle east having nukes? all nuclear nations must be disarmed.
>>530515707Yes, I am. I actually understand the fact that we're not in this predicament with israel because of judeo christcuckery, we're in it because of the samson option. And the retards ITT support giving another samson options to another group of desert mongrels. Absolutely not.>all nuclear nationsWhites can be trusted with nukes. And honoraryans like Japanese.
>>530513099Is this supposed to support or refute my post, because it does some of both.>which is kinda confusing, make up your mind, Xi Jinping!Not that they're terribly communist in practice, these days, but have a mixed economy.It makes sense though, if you consider China has a large Han majority.>just turn everyone into a Han Chinese and everybody will stand solidly unitedThe Soviets on the other hand were very ethnically diverse, so that wasn't really an option; they expected people to be race-blind instead.A focus on ethnic homogenity isn't generally a Marxist feature because Marxism aimed to unite the entire world; and in that case any idea of ethnic uniformity or favoritism is counter-productive, besides the inevitable Kalergi-mutts it creates, although not on purpose in itself besides eradicating ethnic tensions; Interbreeding isn't necessary if different races learn to actually get along.>which obviously they won'tNot so easily at least.
>>530514666>Please point out what respect they are "based".the way they employ moderated capitalism is effective and they don't tolerate outgroups messing with their stuff internally. Yes the birthrate is going to kick them in the ass if robotics don't progress fast enough but this is due to the one child policy in the 80s, not necessarily the system they're currently operating on.Also everything is trending toward surveillance. SUcks but it's true.
>>530515277>advocating for communismAaaaand you ruined it.
>>530515277>quite difficult to get people to behave decently without some repression and brainwashing of your ownthis is a good point. people must be convinced of the merit of true socialism otherwise they won't vote for it. the best among us will find a way to spread the news. maybe art, maybe engagement, maybe helping them peek out from the blindfold somehow. the start is probably reducing the power of the elites who will never allow socialism in the first place.
>>530515414And now point out which law is specifically good in China. The common Chinese are treated like cattle, perhaps because the common people are cattle, but what's good about that? A happy cattle existence? Where is the positive vision with concrete laws underpinning it?Chian is an unremarkable, somewhat heavily bureaucratic state that is almost identical to western states. Just a bit more oppressive (but not more than Australia).>>530515824>the way they employ moderated capitalism is effectiveAnd the EU doesn't have "moderated" capitalism? If anything, China is comparatively more capitalist then the EU. An unremarkable shithole that doesn't punsh above its size relative to its population size (unlike states like Switzerland)
Damn still nepo babies still selling the same narrative. Because people were dumb enough to think that eating from Mcdonalds would make them free. Now they learnt it the hard way and regret it.You're free as long as your country is free from the so called free trade parasites. (bankers, spaculators, nepo babies)That socialist prototype is created by them to ridicule socialism. Real socialism is about being an independent country. Not about libtardism that created by imperialists.
>>530513647You seem to have have set up socialism as infinitely (or close to it) good, therefore anything is justified as long as it is in service to that goal. This is religious fundamentalist thinking.
>>530515538>The sandnigger can stab you from across the ocean if you let them build up their nukesCome on. They can understand the concept of MAD. Randomly starting nuclear war isn't comparable at all to getting mugged.
>>530515770>the samson option.ok yes you do get it>Whites can be trusted with nukes.remind me, who has used nukes on civilians. I'm not trying to be a bitch, it's just an awful truth. and it's not whites is it? why racialise something that is really just a lot of capital doing violence to everyday people. if aggression is a natural instinct humans can't grow out of, which I don't entirely agree with, then we must disarm ourselves to limit the harm. we can keep a small group for local security, people are always having disagreements and mental health disasters, we will need a gentle form of cop. but not armed. we can get the weapons out if someone is going nuts but most people will be living their hearts greatest dream. only a minority will be mean to others. sociopaths that kind of thing. it's inherent to us maybe. maybe it's our sick society? what if living in a loving society made us less sick? canada has good healthcare, you know a nicer society works. I'm just suggesting even nicer. I think we mostly agree.
>>530514674Well, Israel endlessly violating international law or norms or ignoring UN resolutions also definitely plays a part, though somehow this only came to the fore when they razed Gaza - don't ask me why, but there probably is a specific reason behind this; was it a media campaign someone organised?>inb4 it was /pol/Or maybe the change in media culture? Like the mass adoption of the Internet during the last 10-15 years, social media and the phenomenon of influencers with millions of followers, that allowed the Gaza thing to become such a big deal?Don't think muslim immigrants in western nations whining about Israel plays any particular role though, because they have been doing this for decades, the early 2000s at the very minimum, yet it had little effect then, and the legacy media paid no special attention to them.I admit that a Palestine without jews, in particular the historic Palestine of 100 years ago, would simply be a scarcely populated irrelevant shithole. Can't say I personally care about Palestine in particular; but Israel's destabilizing influence on the Middle East was significant, and worst, as far as modernity is concerned, is them destroying virtually all surrounding muslim nations by means of US aggression.All these enemies Israel has were ultimately created by itself, with the notable exception of legacy antisemites (Nazis, certain Christians).
>>530516020>The common Chinese are treated like cattle,I don't know why you think this. their middle class enjoy life much more than us. their economy is deflating so housing is insanely cheap, products and services too. for you and me it would be cheaper and better in most metrics. housing in the west is becoming unachievable, and petit bourgeois middle class buy up houses to exploit rent out of their neighbours. >somewhat heavily bureaucratic statevery bureaucratic. their public servants have multiple degrees in their field, they make our politicans look like children. its a meritocracy. we are ruled by people who can afford to run for office and when they're there, they only make short term plans, usually to bribe votes. if you don't have parties, or elections, you are sailing in one direction with focus. if that focus is the collective good of all your people, it's better than line goes up for a few billionaires. the more you learn about china the worse you feel about us. but we can learn from them and they would be delighted to help us start again.
>>530516020>An unremarkable shithole that doesn't push above its size relative to its population sizeAgain, you're correct but this is a daytrader mentality. Their economic growth from 2000 onward has earned some due credit and part of that has to go to the system.
>>530515277>communists are one of the very, very few that actually succeeded in overthrowing their regime, and in fact shot those guys to death.And what did they get in return? Stalin, Beria, and Co. turning the country into a giant prison with less food?>Common people in principle have nothing to fear or lose in Socialism, as long as it doesn't fail badly or is taken to extremes (like Stalin executing random people or those disasters in agriculture that happened a few times). Understatement of the century right here. Stalin and his pack of malicious morons likely killed as many Soviet citizens as Hitler did. Maybe more, although obviously not for lack of trying on Hitler's part.>There's not a whole lot the average person would have to give up to accomodate CommunismI like freedom of movement, choosing where I work, and not getting gulaged for criticizing the government.>Still it turns out to be quite difficult to get people to behave decently without some repression and brainwashing of your ownWell at least you're honest about what you really want. You have something in common with the fascists after all.
>>530515870I'm just trying to be realistic and unbiased about it, which is quite difficult because the topic is deeply drenched in conflict; probably the most significant conflict of the last 100 years, or 80 at minimum - although this is a little misleading:The communists have been "causing trouble" since the early days of Marx writing his books, or even before, during the Industrial Revolution, which is commonly overlooked.Back then nothing bad happened due to Socialism, besides them getting attacked or murdered by capitalists and even the KKK at times.In effect: it's a topic subject to extreme tunnel vision and polarisation. You're always welcome to dispute my assertions, since it's just something I'm writing spontaneously, without any particular research behind it.>can't really point to a source or anythingAnd I am entirely fallible.
>>530516536My most favorable interpretation of what you said is that China is no democracy and therefore hires better politicians. Of course, the EU is not a democracy either; what can really be said is that you believe the Chinese political class works more in the interests of its citizens. Without actually being able to name any laws that would prove that.>>530516627We see. I can imagine that China will overtake us, but only because we now mostly have the population of third worlders and the most incompetent political class of all the time.
>>530516078>socialism as infinitely (or close to it) goodit is, I agree. you're right, and it is fundamental. as you type to me, you are fundamentally defending a system of oppression, which is worse because I'm talking about a way of doing something differently, and you are defending what we all suffer. what is worse anon>anything is justified as long as it is in service to that goalyes. the same as capital would let you die homeless in service to it. better keep working, paying off the debt, or you die. anything is justified so that your society can continue to make endless money for a few, but you'll get a small handout, that makes it worth it right? your job isn't that bad, right? I like most people I meet. I have realised that we all just want to live. it's so basic. and yeah I fundamentally believe in our collective goodness and cooperation and nothing anyone can say would shake me from that, because of who I've met. I'm not scared of strangers, I don't need more than what I have. I want the best for everyone.
>>530495820Kill yourself
>>530516880There's a passage in 1984 dedicated to people like you kek
>>530516856>therefore hires better politiciansyes my understanding is that you need to govern a small town well, then years later a large town, years later a province, maybe one day a serious role in the party. but the whole time they are spying on you to make sure you are working in the interests of the people and would replace you in a heartbeat if your ideas sucked. I think if you love your country and fellow people you're more willing to want to serve the state. I don't think china is ideal, but they're on the right path because people come first.>name any laws that would prove that.well no anon I'm not a lawyer or chinese how would I know this? i'd be willing to learn if you know. I do know that Xi went on a massive corruption purge and hundreds of thousands lost their jobs, were replaced, and many went to jail. if the corruption is bad enough, I believe they have the death penalty. they are authoritatian in their socialism, like I said, because they need to rests undermining from the west. but I don't like it>China will overtake usI think they have let's be honest, the west is in a downwards spiral now>the most incompetent political class of all the timeand this is why, but also our system. it's rigged for the few against the many. of course china will do better than that. ours is like serfs and robber barons.>There's a passage in 1984 dedicated to people like youyes I read it in school too anon. you know you're totally surveilled too right? the 5eyes spy on each other, are you too young to remember what snowden revealed? what does 1984 say about the people who know their state is lying and do nothing out of fear? what does 1984 say about leaders who piss in your face and tell you it's raining? are you happy with the epstein shit or something?
>>530516856Not to sound like Zeihan but their big hurdle, and it is significant, is the population drop that's coming down the pipe. They will need a lot of robotics and energy production to compensate.>>530517441>I think they have let's be honestPresent? No. If the West doesn't course correct then it's pretty much certain though.
>>530516644>And what did they get in return?It's quite ironic especially where jews are concerned; it's totally worth reading about.The Tsars implemented increasingly repressive measures to get jews to integrate, and this made them super mad.This is what led to many jews supporting the communists. Some became genuine communists (read: atheists) while other's were only opportunistic, wanting to get rid of the Tsar, is all, so they can jew in peace.But then eventually once the communists came to power... they implemented many of the same antisemitic measures as the Tsars, because the commies were even more extreme about everybody integrating, everybody being the same, which means no jewish identity, no religion, no race.So obviously they once again started to seethe, besides those who actually adopted Marxism in earnest.>Understatement of the century right here.Well I'm definitely not a Stalinist. He was a huge fuckhead.>I like freedom of movement, choosing where I work, and not getting gulaged for criticizing the government.I think you'd definitely get the former two, and free education as well; at least if there are appropriate job openings, which can be a problem iin a planned economy, but shouldn't be, if all goes well, and your job is useful. They didn't like artists, for instance; but this stemmed partly from ignorance and circumstance (need tractors not painters/dancers/actors xddd) and the fact artists often being eccentric characters (dangerous!); it's something that can be solved.Now the getting gulagged, well, it can be minimised at least; the government should be able to tolerate justified criticism, and in fact listen closely; but it ought to be justified. It was the times where the regime was under a lot of pressure, like the first couple years, the power struggles, Stalin era, WW2 or peak Cold War (so basically all the time xdd), that this was especially bad; although it's a bit of a Communist disease in general, even within the party.
>>530517441>yes I read it in school too anonAnd yet you're still full on "immanentize the eschaton!">you know you're totally surveilled too right?And under socialism we would be as well, so it's a wash. Actually I'd have probably been executed for wrongthink under socialism, so it's worse than that for dissenters.>epsteinWhy would you even ask that? Does he have actual supporters outside of the /r9k/-PUA autism spectrum? Counterpoint: Beria, who everyone, including Glorious Leader Stalin, knew was a rapist and murderer, but no one cared to do anything until he had to play fall guy. In a liberal democracy, shit like Epstein rightfully provokes criticism; in the USSR, it never happened. Then Beria never happened. Seriously, it's a thing, it's called "lengthening of the Bering Strait" or something in Soviet bloc countries.
>>530495820>the Prison Warden is on the bad sidedo magacucks really think this
>>530517834>ZeihanI didn't know who this is but I googled it and I'll have a listen.>the population drop that's coming down the pipeyes the fallout from the one child policy. china knows that was a mistake and I've seen some of their efforts to get people to breed but yeah population decline is real for lots of countries china included.>they will need a lot of robotics and energy production to compensatepic related is the energy production. they set 5yr goals on things like this and get it done because there is no other party. I think china is doing ok for robotics too and unlike here, I think the robots and AI will serve the people.>And under socialism we would be as well, so it's a washno, the surveillance now keeps you a slave. the surveilance in a socialist utopia is perhaps unnecessary except as people adjust at the start. we would need people to help manage people though. the intracies of how that society would function is fun to discuss. >executed for wrongthink under socialismyou can think whatever you want, why would it be like this? unless you literally organised an army and tried to overthrow the people you will never have to worry. you will be focused on doing your favourite hobby and having infinite resources to pursue it. why would you plot against everyone else who helped vote in this system where you love your life? it's because you can't see the 'pleasurable life' side of this that you are focused on worrying about what might go wrong.
>>530518028>In a liberal democracy, shit like Epstein rightfully provokes criticismwe are powerless to stop the elite. criticism is woefully inadeqate. you've seen proof that a huge number of billionaires are rorting the system and actively hurting the people. in china all those people would be dead or in prison. trump had his name redacted, so that we never know how badly he was involved and he is the leader of the west. and you ask why I would mention it? it's the most egregious example of our capitalist system completely failing us. I assume you know about the panama papers, we've known the billionaires are hiding massive quantites of money offshore to dodge tax. do you pay tax anon? because I do. what is this insanely unfair system you defend? China does this better. nobody, literally nobody, is above the people. their system is better than ours at dealing with awful people.I have to go out, and apparently there is a text length limit I'm clearly writing too much and I should take a break. I appreciate discussion and respect you all for being part of it. you are my comrade even if I am not yours yet.
>>530516644>not getting gulaged for criticizing the governmentI gave this some particular thought because it's such an odd issue.>why commies so allergic to criticismBut actually I think it's quite easy to explain:Their leadership structure tends to be flawed, party advancement based on obedience and brown-nosing, forming cliques, as well as hardcore adherence to doctrine. This in turn means: any criticism is a challenge of authority and opens the person up to various accusations, like disloyality or revisionism.It's something that I imagine can be solved, but it doesn't actually get solved, so maybe not.
>>530518764>we are powerless to stop the elite. criticism is woefully inadeqate.And what would you have in the USSA? "It never happened, and if you mention it again I'll report you to the thought police.">you've seen proof that a huge number of billionaires are rorting the system and actively hurting the people. in china all those people would be dead or in prisonOr they'd be the nomenklatura, "red nobility" because they sucked up to some high ranking party member. Why do all the China shills live in the west?
