Why is Trump/Rubio/Hegseth/Vance constantly threatening to leave Europe and/or NATO militarily?Can someone explain to me how we’re going to fight Iran without bases like Lakenheath (England) and Ramstein (Germany)? Do Rubio/Trump/Hegseth understand that most of our planes cannot make it to the Middle East without pit stopping in Europe for gas? Have they ever heard of logistics? Does Trump understand that these countries do not want us there if the USA leaves NATO?Operation Midnight Hammer only worked because the US had a gorillion air refueling planes lined up all across Europe. That would be impossible if Rubio has his way.It feels like the country is being ran by retards that can’t comprehend basic concepts like>The Middle East is really far awayI mean holy fuck, we’re med evacing the wounded to Germany. What’s the alternative?>I know you just got your leg blown off, but you’ve got a 26 hour flight to Arkansas before we can get you to a hospital.Fucking retarded. They’re all fucking retarded.You can argue that the USA losing its ability to wage war in the Middle East is a good thing, but if that’s what we fucking want, then why are we attacking Iran actively, currently, right now? We are running operations out of England and Germany right now. Like today. Like right fucking now. Europe is actively, currently let us use European airspace to conduct operations in this gay ass war, and Trump is simultaneously pissing on Europe while this is ongoing. No wonder we’re getting kicked out.Who needs enemies when you have allies like Donald Trump? Can someone explain to me how this is 5-D Chess and not pure retardation? The only thing I can think of is that Trump is an accelerationist and wants to crumble the ZOG with incompetence.
It's to sting up MIGA support.Trump can't legally leave NATO.
>>532533091/thread
>>532532966Yes, it's mutually beneficial for the US to have bases everywhere. If they leave NATO, the US will lose a lot of influence throughout the world.MIGAtards can't forsee the consequences of their actions though. Look at what's happening in Iran. They thought it'd be a quick war with a quick surrender. Instead it'll drag them into another forever war.
>>532533091>Trump can't legally leave NATO.Trump has been doing illegal shit for the past 10 years, and nobody’s done shit about it yet. The law only applies to poor people.
>>532532966I wish they’d actually do something instead of blathering about it. Yes leave nato yes invade Canada. Enough talk just fucking do it
This thread and its predecessor has convinced me that nothing angers the burgers more than a threat to their ability to be the best shabbos goyim for Israel that they can be.
>>532534305>Yes leave nato yes invade Canada.Why? It is insane.
>>532532966It means the Islamification of Europe as predicted by Command and Conquer Generals https://youtu.be/WbfY7wuqvPI?si=c1K5MD0r1_hya8Ky&t=1560
>>532534470No it’s based and you niggers are a liability
>>532532966>taco-burrito mad¡adiós!
>>532532966>Can someone explain to me how we’re going to fight Iran without bases like blah blah blahBecause it's a country of literal retards ruled by Jews who actively want to destroy it?Do we really have to explain this on /pol/ every single day until the end of time?Maybe this will convince you: the top political commentators in the JSA don't even know what the name NATO means.Who am I kidding, you probably voted for this
>>532532966We'll be free. We'll finally be free.
>>532534632So you want to start a war against a long-time ally, which resides on your northern border? It is insane. If you want to leave NATO and close down bases in Europe then you should understand that it will negatively affect US force projection and military co-operation with Euro countries.
>>532532966>It feels like the country is being ran by retards that can’t comprehend basic concepts
>>532534805death to the fucking euthe traitor gallows for all fucking eunionistssimple as
>>532534769>Who am I kidding, you probably voted for thisI voted for Kamala because I thought Trump was too fat and retarded to be president. I was correct.I don’t like fats. I don’t like retards. I really don’t like fats retards. Trump is uglier, fatter, and dumber than the average Buc-ee’s assistant manager.Meritocracy is dead, and we killed it.
>>532534910Canada has never been our ally. They’re an extension of the British empire which no longer exists and now are cozying up to China. They need to be driven into the sea and the land repurposed for use by humans
>>532534910>it will negatively affect US force projection and military co-operation with Euro countries.The fact that you are desperately begging to protect my force projection says it all. That’s not anything worth dealing with and you know it which is why you’re the one begging for it
>>532535405>Canada has never been our ally.??? Supported the US in WW2, and in the post 9/11 Afghanistan war. Mutually beneficial economic ties. >They’re an extension of the British empire which no longer exists Canada is its own country.>now are cozying up to China.Yeah, because of tariffs, Trump admins general hostility, and talk of annexing Canada.
>>532535509I am not begging for anything, just stating the consequences of leaving NATO
implying the usa goal wasnt always to cut russia from germany and fill europe up with muslims to create a battleground for defense contracts. usa has never ever been an ally of europe
>>532535770Why are you pretending you care about American force projection in Europe?
>>532532966answered your own question while still sounding like a whiny faggot.well done.
>>532535509If the US pulls out of NATO in the middle of this conflict, the USA only has two options.>Full Surrender to IranThe USA gives up all concessions Iran asks for and retreats in total shame. Iran becomes a regional hegemony.>USA withdrawals, does not concede, declares victoryThis doesn’t actually conclude the war or satisfy Iran/Israel. Iran continues to attack Israel endlessly, because the war is not over from Iran’s perspective. Israel becomes completely unlivable. The Zionist state basically crumbles due to emmigration, GDP death, loss of morale.The USA won’t accept option 2, so full surrender for the USA it is.
>>532535902>Israel becomes completely unlivable. The Zionist state basically crumbles due to emmigration, GDP death, loss of morale.Please anon your getting me horny
>>532535833Not just Europe. Anyway, I still have an idea that there is a West, which can unite and work together. If the US really doesn't want anything to with Europe anymore, then so be it, but I do believe both parties would be worse off for it.
>>532535665leafcuckia will never be a real country
>>532532966I like how he's saying it's for Europe defence. Yeah, maybe. But let's not pretend the primary reason isn't to extend the USA sphere of influence and act as a counter balance to Russia / China.
>>532536147The US is quickly becoming an unstable Hispanic country like the rest of the continent. There's really no point including it as part of the West anymore
>>532536147Enjoy being an oblast
>>532533091>Abandon bases>Don't contribute to budget>Refuse to helpThe fuck timmy gon do? It's like saying you can't technically quit a job for whatever reason-- lmao have that energy when I simply stop showing up to work
>>532532966NATO should have disbanded in 1991, it was a good defensive alliance against the malignant influence of the communist soviets, it has no purpose in present but to remain as the US' domination over Europe.
>>532536366Kiev is something like 200-250km from the Russian border.
>>532536072Like I said, the USA will not let that happen. America will fight down to the last goy to protect Israel. If we lose logistic lines in Europe, the Last Stand will be loading up every goybot onto boats and sailing to the Strait. Whatever boats make it past the seamines will perform an amphibious landing. This will be known as D-Day 2: Rock Spike Beach Bouldering.>ResultTotal Shiite Victory.The USA no longer has any military. The USA is quickly invaded and annexed by the Canadian-Mexico alliance. They split the stolen territory equally.
>>532536596Forgot pick of Rock Spike Beach
They will try to form their own federalized security umbrella and fail massively.
>>532536366You moms anus has been O-blastedFaggot shill
>>532532966They are retarded, just like the majority of their voters. What did you expect?>>532534217>The law only applies to poor people.People say this until the wrong poor person comes along.
>>532532966>It feels like the country is being ran by retardsWelcome to the club...
>>532532966The US has become an unpredictable partner. Its voters can't be trusted not to elect maniacs so it's best we split and create a pan-European force.
>>532532966Yeah that’s why i don’t give a fuck about the threat of the US leaving NATO.We don’t really need NATO.NATO benefits the US more than it benefits Europe.
>>532532966Amerisharts won't do shit. They need us more than we need them
>>532534910>it will negatively affect US force projection and military co-operation with Euro countriesAnd? Euro countries are currently closing their bases and airspace to American operations. You're arguing that it would be bad for us to not do what euros want.
>>532537234Dude, our country is ran by subcontractors of bigger retards.
>>532537977Germany and the UK hasn’t. Lots of your injured soldiers get treated here in Germany.Go ahead and leave. I want to see what happens.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoX1kD14DkM
>>532537977>And? Euro countries are currently closing their bases and airspace to American operations.Only some countries have done that. The USA is still conducting Operation Reddit Fury from the safety of some Euro bases.If you’re actually tracking the conflict, you’d know that the USA is rapidly running out of bases that are>Safe enough>Close enoughTo actually conduct this war. If Trump’s behavior continues, the USA will have like 2 bases (maybe) that they can actually operate from.MIGA retards have to stop pretending that Trump is a secret genius that has it all under control. It’s cope.
>>532532966It ever so slightly weakends the american globohomo empire.It then gives european governments a slight incentive to increase military spending, which does not matter since the modern economy is fake.The only result would be that America wouldn't have occupational forces in Europe anymore, and that's what they are, occupiers.WITH THAT SAID, it doesn't really matter anyway since America have spread their culture to such an extent that most of europe are just american in ways of law, government, morality and thought, so the occupational transformation is already complete whatever happens.
>>532533343Why do you say this like it's a bad thing? I couldn't give a shit less if anyone wants to project power on Europe or Asia and most of those citizens don't want us there anyway. The only ones it benefits is ZOG.
>>532532966Perhaps you should spend some time interacting with your countrymen on this board. Most of them are very very close to an intellectual disability. Some of them don't know basic history or physics, and a huge swath of them don't know how their own country's legal system works. Nine out of ten don't understand how a fiat monetary system works, or what a country's debt is. At least half don't know the difference between an average and a mode value but will produce statistics in which they equate the two. I don't know if Americans on /pol/ specifically are imbeciles, or if it's a general thing. I really really hope it's the former. Sometimes, I have had to give up trying to debate someone because they don't even understand the terms on which the debate is based.
>>532536596Yeah anon I don’t give a fuck about Iran go cry to a jew about it
>>532538476It's not a bad thing - but he's pointing out that America is the one who wanted them there in the first place. It's not like European countries were begging for bases to be put in their countries.
>>532538395>spread their culture to such an extent that most of europe are just american in ways of law, government, morality and thoughtall those things came to usa from europe you dumbass. you think americans invented republic democracy or currenty western law system?
>>532532966Go ahead dismantle it, dismantle your empire for jews.
>>532532966Trump can't leave without congressional authorization.https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48868 Passed in 2023, sorry chud.
>>532532966>What Happens when the USA Leaves Europe and/or NATO?
>>532538476You might not care but the US government doesn't give a shit about what you think. The government cares about the billionaires and they'll lose their sandbox filled with expensive and profitable toys.
>>532535902>"Sorry Bibi, but we just can't get troops or planes out there to help. You'll have to finish what you started on your own :^)"I would literally cum buckets
>>532538777Yes, all the important cornerstones of the modern wests politial systems and cultural beliefs stems from American hedgemony, I have no desire to even argue that point, you either accept it or I advise you to use a cheese grater on your taint until you bleed to death
>>532532966I wonder when these retards realize that host nations usually pays for almost all expenses of that base, exceptions being actual piss poor third world countries like Djibouti.
>>532538476>Why do you say this like it's a bad thing?If you want the US to suffer a humiliating defeat versus Iran, give up their global hegemony status, and return to a regional power, then it’s a good thing, ig.The problem is MIGA retards want to turn Iran into a parking lot, but they also want to piss on Eurofags and invade Canada. These are contradictory goals. The USA cannot do both. Severing ties with Europe right now means losing the war in Iran (if it is even winnable if we even know what winning means). The USA cannot wage war in the Middle East without supply lines. You couldn’t even run this scenario in a video game and win.Trump is feeding his voting base lies about how they’re gonna shart over the entire world and come out victorious. It’s actually sad that these people are falling for it.
>>532539166>Yes, all the important cornerstones of the modern wests politial systems and cultural beliefs stems from American hedgemonhigher level delusions you haveHistorical Roots (Common Law): Almost all US states (except Louisiana) adopted the "common law of England" through reception statutes, meaning the foundational principles of US property, contract, and tort law are derived from English law.Fundamental Differences: Today, the American and European legal systems are quite distinct. American law relies heavily on adversarial legalism, unique tort laws, and specific Constitutional rights, while Europe often operates under civil law traditions.
>>532538777Invention is not the same as production and spread. Ford didnt invent the car, but he is the one who changed it from mostly a toy of the rich to something in the real productive world. Same thing with republic democracy or western law. If it was not for Americans efforts to spread this cultural/moral system, it'd likely just be a english, french, and american system and far more restricted.
>>532538992That's what I said. The only one that gives a shit is ZOG, ergo, not my problem.>>532539360>If you want the US to suffer a humiliating defeat versus Iran, give up their global hegemony status, and return to a regional power, then it’s a good thing, ig.That's exactly what I want. Crazy that you'd try to frame the death of a ZOG empire as a bad thing.
>>532532966a new european golden age begins
in future USA will be lead by communist shitskins like AOC or Mamdami. Despites many ills in the Europe, we don't really want anything to do with new shitskin-jew empire in Americas.
>>532540339>That's exactly what I want. Crazy that you'd try to frame the death of a ZOG empire as a bad thing.Well, that just reaffirms what I said earlier. Trump’s actions only make sense if he is>A.Trying to dismantle the ZOG through feigned incompetence.Or>B.Trump just really is that retarded.Either way, Trump clearly isn’t playing 10-D chess to defeat Iran and put Europe on a leash, which is what MIGA believes.This is the greatest example of Hanlon’s Razor the world has ever seen.
>>532539608>Americans efforts to spread>democracyto be fair, it's more a neotrotskyist=neosocdem=neocohen thingneocohen is a distinctly "Mutt" thing, but neosocdem is distinctly "European"but it all stems from the trotskyist long march through the institutions, so dates as far back as 1929 (his exile from ussr), and blossomed in the 60's, all across the west (civil movements in the US, may'68 in western Europe, 1969 Prague spring in the east, with all their very corrosive long term consequences)and the trotskyist long march through the institutions was deeply jewishhence why the quotes around "Mutt" and "European"obsession with democracy and people uprising, through international interventionism if need be, worldwide and permanent (((tzentchian))) change (muh dark brandon, muh dark miga, the looney troons, the born again cucks, etc), dismantling of tradition and intersectional "struggle": both neosocdemism (hilariously, since trotsky hated paleosocdems) and neocohenism (whose creators ALL started as actual trotskyists, and who only infiltrated the right after having been ousted by hippies, because of their interventionist warhawkism), (crony) state "capitalism" (ie socialism: trotsky hated the term "state capitalism", but loved the concept) are 100% neotrotskyistand that's where the Overton window has been blocked, since the 60's, when the long neotrotskyist march blossomed: it just goes from neosocdems to neocohens, who are just the two sides of a same commie coinand if you're not inbetween those close sides, you're viewed as a "literal nazi" (because neotrotskyists=neosocdems=neocohens are rabidly jewish, if only in spirit, hence why most are freemasons too)
>we're totally gonna leave NATO>we're really gonna do it>this time we're serious>if you don't send help we're gonna leaveEither fucking do it or shut the fuck up. I'm tired of these fucks making these empty bluffs.
>>532540974Trump cant leave. He can say article 5 cant be invoked because NATO countries are letting ukraines military use thier airspace for attacks so we dont have to get involved.
>>532532966Europe is a spoiled, virtue-signaling reddit bitchYou can tell Trump et al can't stand them
>>532534977/thread
>>532532966>What Happens when the USA Leaves Europe and/or NATO?We celebrate.Death to America!Total zogbot death!
>>532532966I not only think NATO is a good thing, but should expand the opportunity to join to basically the entire northern half of the planet. Hell, theres some South American nations that'd probably like to join if given the offer that would be great to have, like Argentina or Guyana.
>>532541320you are fighting epstein war basically
>>532532966Because the US does not see a way to stop the Ukrainian war that it has been dragged into, along with other conflicts that have "conveniently" been popping up things are starting to get messy. The US is trying to prepare itself for what's coming while trying to put out fires that are purposefully being started by certain groups. It's why they are trying to get Canada and Greenland (buffer/protection in artic region against Russia *secure the North) it's why they're focussing on South America (Venezuela, Cuba etc *secure the South.) It's why they have been doing Ice raids throughout the country (targeting sleeper cells/terrorist and undesirables *secure the Homeland). Funny how someone like Trump managed to get into office despite the supposed system of the deep state and all that jazz, you'll need someone like him to rile up the masses with nationalism when war is knocking on the front door. The US is prepping for a confrontation and now you have all these wars and conflicts requiring good ol' American firepower and it's been depleting stock a bit too fast with no end in sight (all done on purpose by opposing forces). Along with other reasons the US sees leaving NATO as an offramp to the Ukrainian war and any "upcoming" European situations ;)
NATO exists to contain the USSR but the USSR and Warsaw pact don't exist. Europe has been trying to draw us into ukrainian war. Europe has actively refused various measures like giving us our land in greenland to build a massive bunker to agartha, and stop russian nukes.They are not useful militarily, have no resources etc. And the best part is cuckropoors willsay "WE WILL FORM A MIGHTY EU EMPIRE AGAINST YOU!" but 39% of their under 18 population is muslim or brown now, and if they were gonna form a fucking military and economic bloc that could COMPETE they would have already done it- you know, what the EU was supposed to be.In fact leaving them to their fate means not paying for their shit in general, since the retards are already seething at Russia constantly they will fulfill their useful role without us doing anything at all or having to bother with them.
>>532532966Nobody cares. Russia is no longer a threat because no matter the outcome of the war, it will not be able to wage another war for at least the next 30 years. European politicians finally understood that you cannot be friends with them, so EU will be armed to the teeth by then. That is, if Russia will even exist.
>>532532966>we might have to give you back the bits of your countries we have occupied for 70 yearsoh no, how will we ever survive
>>532541721USA exists to polish jew cocks
>>532532966I wish they would but they rather get rid of Trump then let it happen.
>>532532966They are just following the wisdom of Washington and Jefferson.
>>532541779Doesn't the UK own parts of southern Cyprus?At least with American bases, regardless of opinion, thats not legally American territory.
>>532542048i'm not saying we should have bases abroad eitherthe retarded status quo that has existed since 1945 all needs to be torn down
>>532538828And, to make it even funnier, that bill was sponsored by Marco Rubio.
>>532536198>implying Little Africa is a real countrySure thing, frog.
>>532541677>Because the US does not see a way to stop the Ukrainian war that it has been dragged intoThe US doesn’t even lose troops in Ukraine. It’s a piss easy war where the USA arms Ukraine and watches their second-biggest adversary blunt their sword swinging against a rock. The USA has spent more on Iran in one month than 12 months in Ukraine. Russia is not a US ally either (no matter how much Trump pretends they are). Russia is conspiring with China to help Iran attack US assets in the Middle East right now. Today.>along with other conflicts that have "conveniently" been popping up things are starting to get messy. Like what? What other conflicts? Iran? Which NATO didn’t even know about? Both Operation Epic Fury and Midnight Hammers were complete surprises to Europe.>The US is trying to prepare itself for what's coming while trying to put out fires that are purposefully being started by certain groups. Yeah, the USA is putting out fires by starting Jew Wars for Israel and collapsing the global economy.
>>532541677>>532542629>It's why they are trying to get Canada and Greenland (buffer/protection in artic region against Russia *secure the North)Russia is not a serious threat to the USA. They’re still blunting their sword on Ukraine. Annexing Canada and Greenland means fighting NATO/The EU/The Anglosphere, which are all a bigger threat than Russia. >it's why they're focussing on South America (Venezuela, Cuba etc *secure the South.) It's why they have been doing Ice raids throughout the country (targeting sleeper cells/terrorist and undesirables *secure the Homeland). Trump ended the Mass Deportations already. The Border Wall isn’t happening. Keep up.>Funny how someone like Trump managed to get into office despite the supposed system of the deep state and all that jazz, you'll need someone like him to rile up the masses with nationalism when war is knocking on the front door. Trump is the Deep State. He’s literally Bibi and Putin’s best friend.>The US is prepping for a confrontation and now you have all these wars and conflicts requiring good ol' American firepower and it's been depleting stock a bit too fast with no end in sight (all done on purpose by opposing forces). You mean like Iran is depleting stock faster than any conflict in the last 30 years? >Along with other reasons the US sees leaving NATO as an offramp to the Ukrainian war and any "upcoming" European situations ;)Iran is already 10X worse than UkraineThis is literally the most retarded post on this thread. I can’t believe I bothered responding to this slop.
>>532532966>Operation Midnight Hammer only worked because the US had a gorillion air refueling planes lined up all across Europe. That would be impossible if Rubio has his way.They can open bases by bribing cheaper third world countries in North Africa and some friendly countries in the ME like Jordan or even build bases in Israel? The world has changed and the Middle East is no longer all about "death to America". A lot of countries there are now friendly and have massive investments going both ways between them and the US. European leaders are in a deluded state thinking this is a Trump thing when in reality it's a major long term shift in geopolitical strategy. Starmer, Macron, that Spanish faggot etc are all thinking they can just put up with this shit until Trump is out of office and are in for a rude awakening when whoever comes next even if they're a Democrat continues the process of winding down operations in Europe (albeit in a less boorish manner). Remember the annexation of Crimea happened all the way back in 2014 under Obama's watch and the main invasion happened under Biden. Democrats don't give a fuck about European security either, but European leaders still think they will be saved once orange man is gone. Europe is run on student-tier politics. Not a single European country has a serious diplomatic operation or long term strategy. It's all a bunch of amateurs who don't understand how the world works. Starmer was unironically basing his decisions on the "legality" of bombing Iran lmao that's how unbelievably retarded our leaders are.
>>532542540not being a urban sodomite, I don't even remember the last time I even saw a shitskin, but it was probably months agomeanwhile, you've had a fucking zoomalian as an immigration minister, and you're all prairie nigger hybrids, lol
>>532536366part of russia instead of soviet european union.. doesnt sound too bad.
>>532542743>blunting their swordYou can always tell the retarded nafo faggots by thier talking points.The Russian military is stronger by every measure today compared to 2022.
>>532532966I dont know if the alliance can be fixed at this point. Even if it can somehow be salvaged for a bit 1-2 months later Trump makes a new crisis. This administration really is a hydra with talking heads saying different thing, and then in the end Trump just does something random because he likes or is angry at someone. Maybe Rutte can fix it temporarily, maybe not.
>>532543040>They can open bases by bribing cheaper third world countries in North Africa and some friendly countries in the ME like Jordan or even build bases in Israel?The world has changed and the Middle East is no longer all about "death to America". A lot of countries there are now friendly and have massive investments going both ways between them and the US.We have bases in the Middle East/Africa. Those bases can’t defend themselves. They’re too close to Iran, and the airstrips aren’t secure.Not to mention our greatest ally Kuwait, who downed 3 F-15s, and our greatest ally Israel, who has been blocking US service members from sharing the bunkers with the “Chosen People.”Europe is still the USA’s greatest ally, even though MIGA retards can’t see it.
>>532532966There aren't any usa bases in latvia so what do i care
>>532543189>The Russian military is stronger by every measure today compared to 2022.Not true, and, if the goal is to weaken Russia, maybe we shouldn’t drop sanctions on Russian oil.
>>532544195>not trueHow so 12 post faggot shill?
>>532543153>urban sodomite,This is fire. Good shit David.
>>532532966>USA manning their basess for their defenceYeah right, nothing to do with propping up the petrodollar in its last dying gasps.That's why USA wants out of NATO, it's running at a loss now the petrodollar is dying.Venezuela and Iran is the USAs last ditch effort to keep the PD alive and the dollar as the global reserve currency.USA wanted Ukraines resources too, and now it won't be getting them theres little use for E-European bases..This is how empires die, the writing is on the wall.
>>532544496>davidewthe one david I met was a particularly disagreeable jewit was his family name, at that
>>532544627You're a homo.
>>532546839nah, I'm superstraight
>>532542629>Ukraine's easyOh well I guess it's fine then, no need for peace deals, ramping up of military production or European conscription threats as well as the defense line being laid down between Europe and Russia. Guess I was mistaken with the threat level, I was just making assumptions based on the actions of Europe/America. Hey, say if a war between EU and Russia did commence soon, what action would the US have to take no matter the perceived risk assessment of Russia? Considering the ongoing Iranian war you would think they would do anything to avoid such a confrontation since war is a tricky thing and you can find yourself bogged down on multiple fronts very quickly especially when you perceive your allies as useless. >ConflictsIran, Syria, Lebanon, Ukraine, Pakistan Afghanistan Thailand Cambodia multiple shadow conflicts on multiple continent's to combat rising terrorist groups etc. Also the upcoming wars, something seems to be cooking in the baltics anon better save some stock for that. For some reason your greatest ally is giving weird looks to Turkey, might need keep your eye on them.>Greatest allyThat's true, the choice of sitting back and watching the east challenge your power on the world stage or taking preemptive action is a difficult one. Sheesh talk about being stuck between a kippah and a large chop stick.
>>532532966Nobody gives a shit at this point. US is so unreliable, so with or without, it's the same. If you leave, at least fewer kids will be raped.
>>532532966The idea of the USA "leaving" NATO is complete nonsense. NATO has only existed since the fall of the USSR as a means for the USA to project power and extort other countries into funding it's MIC. This notion Americans have that it exists to "protect" Europe is completely daft and seems to only be believed by insane people in the butthurt belt who genuinely thinks Putin gives a shit about estonia or latvia. NATO has done nothing in modern memory except to give the pretense of legitimacy to ZOG's regime change operations around the world. It collapsing benefits everyone and will increase world peace.
>>532547047>Thailand Cambodia multiple shadow conflictsYup. Since Fentanyl the drug lords have switched to meth in the Golden Triangle. The muslim terrorists there are armed by NATO via Ukraine.>https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2026/Mar/17/ukraine-protests-arrest-of-six-nationals-in-india-terror-probe-us-reacts-cautiously>The arrested US national has been identified as Matthew Aaron Van Dyke. The six Ukrainians have been identified as Hurba Petro, Slyviak Taras, Ivan Sukmanovskyi, Stefankiv Marian, Honcharuk Maksim, and Kaminskyi Viktor. According to officials, after arriving in India, the group travelled to Guwahati and then moved to Mizoram without obtaining the mandatory Restricted Area Permit (RAP), which is required for foreign nationals visiting certain border areas.>“They allegedly crossed the border into Myanmar with the intention of carrying out a ‘pre-scheduled training for Myanmar-based Ethnic Armed Groups (EAGs)’. They also delivered multiple consignments of drones from Europe," the NIA official said. These ethnic armed groups are believed to have links with insurgent organisations operating in India, particularly in the Northeast, and are known to provide training in drone warfare, assembly, and jamming technologies.>https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/who-is-matthew-vandyke-alleged-cia-mercenary-arrested-by-nia-us-documentary-filmmaker-earlier-fought-war-in-libya-syria-ukraine/ar-AA1YPgKy
>>532532966We ain't bombing Russia for you, tranny.
>>532547693An honest mistake, I'm sure when they were handed the equipment they heard the order "make sure this gets to your brother's fighting on the frontline in Myanmar" or something like that
>>532532966>Why is Trump/Rubio/Hegseth/Vance constantly threatening to leave Europe and/or NATO militarily?Israel has already said they want to attack Turkey next, that's why.
>>532542629Who let you escape from r/uhg? faggot
>>532532966Absolutely fuck all apart from we're finally freed from enemy occupation.
>>532533343They can no longer afford the 700 military bases they have globally.
Europe will be forced to militarize or become vassals of Russia/China. By militarizing, they'll have to get rid of the migrants because the migrants can't produce enough GDP to fund military power, and migrants can't serve the military because they aren't loyal, and migrants can't work on military projects because they'll sell classified information.So Europe will have to send the migrants back, or they'll lose everything. Their leaders will lose everything. The elite families that have owned and run European regions for 1000+ years will lose EVERYTHING if they don't get rid of the invaders and become militant again.That's their choice. Choose well.
>>532532966>What Happens when the USA Leaves Europe and/or NATO?https://youtu.be/hG2qbKGOMrQ?si=Nx5iSlv0gU2LFV6o
>>532554001No.
>>532554997Yes. Why do you think Germany is limiting travel for fighting-age Germans? They know if America leaves, they'll need to draft citizens to supplement their military. Ironically, Europe ends up drafting their citizenry, while America remains a volunteer force.
>It’s over.It’s over.
