Doesn't that mean we are fated to do certain things?
>>532842840It's true god made you gay.
>>532842840God knows all the outcomes of the choices you are free to make. Think of it as a maze, where you are free to make choices all you want as you navigate the maze but God is able to see the whole thing
>>532842840Look into Eternalism. Spacetime invariance means everything that has ever happened is always happening across time. So fate is real but it is still manifested by our decisions-we simply are always doing the same thing. If we didn’t the fabric of the universe could tear apart.
>>532842840free will has nothing to do with determinism.
>>532842840i think something about doing things in this realm allows for a "commit" to occur
>>532842840>>532842901>>532843006>>532843165Rabbi destroys Christian religion in 60 seconds
>>532842840Because he didn't stop you.
>>532843757But he’s not dead. I don’t get it
>>532842840The same deity who regrets creating foreskin, so he invites his most loyal followers to mutilate themselves.God's plan for you is to chop off pieces of your dick at birth
You're all going to die.
>>532842840God is above all. Including logic. In your dreams you do impossible things every night. Can god not do what you do nightly? Everything is determined and we have free will so that we may freely choose. What is a contradiction before God?!
>>532842840Shut the fuck up faggot
>>532842840don't believe the word of yahweh aka saturn aka moloch aka baal aka azazel
>>532842840Your decisions are the product of your circumstances, experiences, and temperament.All of these are caused by something else, which is caused by something else and so on.You have free will from your point of view, because you're limited by your senses and whatever your mind is able to discern from them.If you suddenly gained knowledge of every aspect of reality, you'd be able to predict exactly what you were going to do, and whether you whether you would even change any of your decisions. You would take the optimal path that you want without any need for further need for decision making.
>>532842840god created satan because humans have free will and have to choose between good & evil>see how easy that was
>>532843165So God does not know what choice you will make? Therefore God is not all knowing?
>>532842840God's selective foreknowledge is only associated in the Bible with free will and the freedom of humans to make choices whether good or bad. Not the inability to see the future but censoring himself from people's individual choices. .These verses below give people the freedom to choose right from wrong and either obey or disobey.>De 30:19, 20; Jos 24:15Here Jehovah admits lack of knowledge of specific individuals or people based on their choices or future choices.>Genesis 22:12; Genesis 11:5-8; Ge 18:20-22; Exodus 3:7; Joshua 22:22; Psalm 14:22Here you can hurt God's feelings for the bad choices you make. It is not possible to get your feelings hurt when you knew and allowed someone in the future to do something you WANTED to happen. So it's obvious God censored himself from these people's choices and as a result they hurt his feelings AFTER they committed their wrong deeds.>Hebrews 3:16; Ephesians 4:30; Psalms 78:40,41; Genesis 6:5-6Here you can make God REGRET!! Regret is only possible when a certain outcome you expected results in something unexpected. God had certain expectations for people but instead he felt regret after their actions changed those expectations. God cannot make mistakes but those around him can AND DO!! As a result they can make him regret their existence or position he put them in.>1 Samuel 15:10,11; Gen. 6:5, 6; Jonah 3:4-Jonah 3:10; Jer. 15:5, 6.ConclusionJehovah's selective foreknowledge is based only in free will and making good or bad choices. Outside of that he can see everything.
>>532842840>>532848883Jehovah just chooses not to see the futures of individuals BY CHOICE. Its the equivalent of your parents respecting your privacy growing up when they stayed out of "your" room, drawers and closets. Remember that "your" room is really theirs since they own the house. However, out of love and to show you they trust you they gave you your own personal space and let you manage it on your own without them constantly monitoring you and flipping your mattress over every day like a prison cell. They chose to risk you doing something wrong or hiding something bad in there.God did the same thing. He chose to respect your privacy(future) by censoring himself of it
>>532842840>if i know what i'll do then it isn't a choiceah the i'm the so retarded i have to be smart argument.
>>532842840we live in linear time, obviouslyGod does not
>>532842840God also can't be all good and all powerful, because if he's all good then he doesn't have the power to do evil and if he does then he's not all good. If you take any superlative to the extreme it creates logical contradictions with other superlatives. The answer is that God can be infinite in constrained ways, like an infinite line, but that's still also very specifically constrained
>>532842840you live in a matrix, you are a computer program, everything is destined, no one has free will; that is a jew psy-op
>>532842840KYS and ask
>>532842840He knows every branch possible to you, he also knows the outcomes of each branch. Which branch to take is your choice.
>>532848883That's a lot of words to say>God is not omniscient
>>532848883>>532848917Does your god jehovah approves your behavior of posting and browsing 4chan? What does the elders and the congregation will think about you? Imagine a watchtower publication giving strong counsel to not do what you're doing. You're making the face of Jehovah's sad today :( If you do not show repentance, you'll be removed from the congregation. Be shunned is not good. But also, hiding your true inner behaviors is a bad thing. Either you're not fully trusting the jw org, or you're so self confident that thinks you're immune to the Satan's temptation's.Whatever the case, I despise you. Disgusting sheep
>>532842840After watching a recording of a live event, I know what the peoples choices were, while they had freedom of choice. God exists outside time, all time already played our where you had freedom of choice. Nothing is predetermined, time is just an illusion.
>i'm a namefag therefore I'm knowledgeable about everythingfilter all namefags
>>532849423It's this. Imagine you're the creator and you handed someone a choice, that choice then belongs to the person you gave it to(free will to choose) but the outcome is largely fixed. It's like in christianity how every road of sin leads to hell except salvation through grace. Free will doesn't contradict god's power, it reinforces the fact that free will comes from god's will. Saying "god knows everything we are going to do" isn't clear. Does he already know? Or does granting the choice alter the future and create a path that didn't exist otherwise? Because if you were god and you knew everyone was going to die without your help, then the end is the same and god knows, so what is there to argue about?
>>532842840free will is a heresy
>>532842840You can either choose to believe God is outside spacetime and in a non causal viewer state, that God "brackets" his knowledge in his actions and what he allows in a way to give us some sort of free will aside from other actors influence, or believe in some sort of dualism blend of fate+destiny ie god predetermines things but how and why he predetermines these things can be the result of free will choices
>>532842840There are Christian sects that believe exactly that.Like Presbyterians and Reformed Baptists, and some Evangelicals.It's called the doctrine of predestination.
God isn't real, it's a story that ancient peoples told themselves.
>>532842840From a logical perspective we exist within Him. His plan exists but it includes free will. From a biblical perspective we have less free will but Jews have total free will, only theirs is counted in the plan and influences ours.
