>Sinn Féin have joined the calls for a vote of no confidence in the Government.Sinn Féin have joined Aontú and Independent Ireland in their calls for a no confidence vote-and Sinn Féin have now tabled the motion.If the vote goes ahead, the Irish Government goes down.
SF: 22%FF: 19% (+1)FG: 17%SD: 9% (-2)INDIRL: 6% (+2)AON: 6%LAB: 5% (+1)GP: 3% (-1)PBP-S: 3%INDs & Others: 10%
Here is a breakdown of how things look:>Seats needed88 seats are needed for a the no-confidence vote to pass, resulting in a general election.>Seats heldCurrently, Sinn Féin+Independent Ireland+Aontú have 45 seats. >Seats to win?Fianna Fáil have 48, Fine Gael have 38. It's *highly* likely that Fianna Fáil will have some people who will support it due to the massive opposition within the party to Taoiseach, Micheál Martin.PBP will support the vote, its likely that others will too. >tl;drIn the next week or so, we could see the end of the current government.>Who'd win an election?Picrel is the most recent poll.
I doubt anyone still has them, but any of the O'Jack éire/pol/ headers would be appreciated.
First, a QRD on the major parties.>Quick ContextIn 1922, the Anglo-Irish Treaty was voted on by the rebellious Irish Republic; Britian threatened that if the vote failed, all out war would follow.A Civil War ensued between the Pro-Treaty side, and the Anti-Treaty side. The former were more pro-British/conservative, the latter more anti-British/liberal. Most of the IRA were Anti-Treaty.Pro-Treaty won, and their party (Cumann na nGaedheal) ruled Ireland for around 10 years, until the election in 1932. Now we can talk about the parties.>Fianna FáilThese guys were the remnants of the Anti-Treaty political movement. While more left wing than Fine Gael, this was mostly regarding economics; they favoured further land reform and social economics. However, they were often more socially conservative than Fine Gael.>Fine GaelWhen they lost the 1932 election, Cumann na nGaedheal merged with the Irish fascists-the Blueshirts-to form Fine Gael. Socially, they're moderates leaning liberal. Economically, more conservative. Most comparable to the British tories in a lot of ways.>Sinn FéinHistorically, the political wing of the IRA. They only really started gathering momentum in the Republic of Ireland after the Troubles, and they did so at a rapid pace. In 2016, they were the 3rd largest party. In the most recent election, they won more votes than any other party-and won the 2nd most amount of seats, missing out by 1 to Fianna Fáil.They are both socially and economically left wing, but socially they aren't really much further left wing thatn Fianna Fáil. They are also demonstrably willing to change their policies based on what the party membership wants; they used to be realtively anti-EU, and are now pro-EU.>so who are /pol/s guys?Nobody. See next post.>establishment?Fianna Fáil/Fine Gael have been in power in some form for over 100 years. The drift loosely around the centre; FF leans centre-left, FG centre-right.
Who ever wins, the Irish Nation loses. And so I literally don't give a single monkey's fuckWake me up when the rebellion is on
>/pol/'s guys: IrelandWhile no major party really matches /pol/, here are the "least worst" in the eyes of many:>Aontú (2 Seats)Split from Sinn Féin over abortion; they're basically a socially conservative Sinn Féin. Anti-abortion, anti-LGBT, anti-Islam. Not hugely anti-immigrant, but less pro-immigrant than most other "main" parties.>Independent Ireland (4 seats)A party made from an alliance of independents, they aim to soak up voters who hate FF/FG but refuse to vote Sinn Féin. Loosely right wing, but has no whip. "Critical of immigration" but hasn't said much more beyond wanting to reform it.>Muh IndependentsSome independents (of which Ireland has a LOT) may align with right-wing politics, but in truth they rarely have enough power or clout to have much impact on the government.Then there are guys with no seats, but who will contesst the next election:>Irish Freedom Party (founded 2018)Anti-immigrant, leadership have noted the "Great Replacement" but later rejected accusations of racism. Also claim to have no issue with LGBT. They're the party of Irexit; they want Ireland to leave the EU. In a state of internal chaos after a leadership dispute late last year.>National PartyThe "best known" Irish far-right party. It'd be quicker to just link their site:https://nationalparty.ie/>so...what now?If there's an election, it's hard to see a path to any sort of right-wing government. There's a chance a left-wing one could ascend (despite what many claim, the current government are very far from "left wing" given what alternatives await their fall) or that the government survives. "Best case" is probably Fine Gael beating Fianna Fáil to become new leaders, as they're more conservative than eithe FF/SF.>worst case?Government falls. Sinn Féin lead the next government; every election FF flirt with the idea of going into coalition with them, then claim they never would have once they win enough seats.
>>533018000I will half-heartedly bump with O'Jacks.
Independent Ireland's statement: they will support the no confidence motion.The fact that Aontú, Independent Ireland and Sinn Féin are the guys supporting this is very worrying for the Government. That's an alliance of Republicans (socially conservative), Conservatives+big farmers (big among FG voters) and the main left-wing party. We could see all sorts of support for bringing down the government.
>>533018081I got to go for an hour or two so I'll leave you with a bump just because I am always glad to see Éire/pol/
>>533018291We are all éire/pol/
This is interesting; one of the main reasons for the vote is a percieved failure to respond to the fuel crisis.Those who support the ongoing massive protests against fuel prices are FAR more likely to support the vote of no confidence.Only 43 more votes are needed to bring down the Government.
>>533017459COME ON IN YE BLACKS AN TANS! FUCK ME WIFE, LIKE A MAN!STABB ME SON AND RAPE ME DEAR 'OL DAUGHhhhHhhHTER.WHEN SHE SCREAMS " Daa, 'elp ME!"ILL LOOK AWAY, ILL NEVER SEEeeEEWHEN THEY LEFT HER THERE BROKEN HEArttttEddd
>>533018806>canada1st battle you guys ever fought was a loss to the Irish.
>>533017475>NP on 0%Shillbros? Justin Barrett being booted and your party being imploded over gold and leadership disputes was supposed to fix this, no?
>>533017489>fuel>cost of livingNotice how this STILL isnt about ethnic replacement. Nobody can talk about the actual problems which is how we know this is all for show
>>533018857NO HERES YOU GOYYyyYYYS!NOW TAKE MY ADVICE!im tapped. I only know so much Sinéad O'Connor. Is she still larping as a muslim or have they cut her head off yet?
>>533018913The Quinlan leadership of the party has seen them mostly stay quiet, only really showing up for anti-immigrant protests (or other protests they can try gain clout through).They will likely ramp up their campaigning if an election is called; they have 1 seat on a local council-that being Quinlan himself.>>533019021She died in 2023, anon, from natural (see: pulmonary disease) causes.
>>533019121O-oh.. well shit. I sorta feel bad for making fun of the dead now. Anyway, best of luck in the revolution! I hope you pull through and oust the cunts who ruined your country.
daily reminder dublin is europes capital and is the greatest city state in human history
>>533019121>Quinlan leadership*Paul Conroy leadership. Quinlan is just a 90IQ figurehead.
>>533017459All right-wing and nationalist parties are bullshi
>>533019692they got morrocobro
>Irish Government responds>"WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?">"SHUT IT DOWN, GOY"
>>533017459>meme flagex-pat or amerimutt, either way your opinion has been dismissed with prejudice.
>>533021707>ex-pat or amerimuttNo, just a Fermanagh man.
>>533019314cork is the tru capital baii
>>533021018Kek absolutely seething
>>533022149never even heard of it, pal
Why dont the irish speak irish btw
Will the guards start beating protestors this week? Seems like they are getting sick of it
>>533021931Well as a Dubliner, all I can say is the farmers blustered all week, but as about a million kids had to go back to school tomorrow this was inevitable.The people trying to link a bunch of farmers out for themselves to some kind of grand nationalist uprising got a does of reality that they'll still reject.The two leaders, (one of which should be hanged for animal cruelty btw) were put up in a luxury apartment on the docklands over the weekend, were gargling and sniffed up to their eyeballs when the gardai hooshed the lads off O'Connell street
>>533022456Heavy suppression for a long time by England, then the remaining Irish speakers (mostly west+south) were devastated by potato famine in the 1840s.Ditching Irish to speak English was shilled as a way to escape poverty from then on, so by the early 1900s it was basically dead. Irish Revolution failed in the end, Ireland remained a British Dominion.In an impoverished country where almost everyone speaks English and there's a media+economy tightly wound into the English speaking world, people tend not to focus on cultural pursuits in favour of economic/political ones. Ironically today there is a big revival but its quite grassroots as opposed to a Government endorsed thing.>>533022656I'm wondering if all these farmers (most of whom likely voted FF/FG) get fucked over by the Government if it'll cause some oddities at the polls.
>>533017489>TaoiseachI love how this word is pronounced "tee-sack".
>>533022826>I'm wondering if all these farmers (most of whom likely voted FF/FG) get fucked over by the Government if it'll cause some oddities at the polls.The Shinners are going to win by landslide in the next GE, Aontu might hoover up some seats but SF are going to walk it.
>>533022931it's "tea-shock"
>>533022931It isn't, anon.It's pronounced Tee-shock.>>533022972I think Shinners will do well, but they always seem to bottle it at the last second. They came very close last time, though. I do think it will come down to a new FF leader agreeing to work with SF. People call me a fucking lunatic for it but every single election its>will FF support SF>uhhhhhh no comment>[polls show SF stuggling]>heh, we'll NEVER work with SF
>UPDATE>UPDATE>UPDATE>SOCIAL DEMS ARE SUPPORTING THE NO CONFIDENCE VOTEThis means the vote now has >56votes. 32 more needed for a majority. We are very suddenly into the fun zone, Government response will likely come very soon; the SDs doing something (when they're expected to do fuck all) is a big red flag for them.That means we only need 32 total votes from Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, and everyone else combined.
Reposting the old éire/pol/ symbols. If there's an election, it'd be fun to revive it.
>>533022826I'm more concerned that the irish are getting replaced than the language they speak, but if I had to choose we would be speaking Welsh
>Social Democrats>Independent Ireland>Sinn Féin>PBPAll support the motion.>Greens (1 seat)>Labour (11 Seats)are meeting waiting to declare if they support it, based on the Government's response.There is widespread opposition to the Taoiseach within the Government.
Master race is a mix of Germanic/Nordic and Celtic blood.
>>533023038>>533023092I feel betrayed. I don't have enough Jameson to numb this cruel blow.Also, execute your immigrants, especially the Muslims; diversity is not a strength, it's corrosive to cultural integrity.
>>533023788>mix of nordic/celticWe already had that. The Norse-Gaels produced the Gallowglass, probably the most famous Gaelic Irish military unit in history. Very effective, too.
If the Greens and Labour join (likely) then that brings the votes up to 67.Meaning we'd only need 21 votes. There could be a general election, out of the blue, kekked. Total FF suicide
>UPDATE>PBP Confirm: they back the voteThere are now 59 votes in favour of bringing down the Government. If they reach 88, they'll have a majority.
>>533023947Aura
Which party will ban immigration?
>>533024722None. See >>533018056ironically, there is now an alliance between Ireland's most right-wing and most left-wing parties (with seats) to bring down the government.
Hello lads, where do I sign up for the Real New Provisional IRA (No affiliation)?I'm one thousandth Irish on me mum's side, but I think I might be the reincarnation of Conall Cernach.Ooh, free newspaper.Put a shamrock on me Guinness would ya?Cor I'm 'ungrier than Bobby Sands, what's on the menu?Boiled 'taters?All seriousness though, God Speed.
>>533017459Are we just making up countries now? Wtf is an eire
>>533024794So Anarchy?
>>533023511>Greens (1 seat)This clown actually supporting it would be ridiculous since it's the greens who were pushing all this hippy shit in the first place, tofu turkey voting for christmas
>>533024807>Real New Provisional IRAI know this is a meme name but you aren't that far off.Current Dissident Republican Groups include>Continuity IRA>New IRA>Irish Republican Liberation Army>Cumnn na mBan (Women's IRA)With their political wings>32 County Sovereignty Movement>Irish Republican Socialist Party>Lasair Dhearg>Irish Republican Resistance>Republican Sinn Féin>Soaradh>>533024914Éire is the Irish word for Ireland. Comes from the name of the matron goddess of Ireland.>>533024936The most likely outcome of a defeated government is a left-wing government replacing it, making this entire situation all the sillier.>>533024945Blackpilling thing to remember but lots of parties are waiting on a re-alignment moment similar to the heat death of Fianna Fáil years ago; as soon as there's a shift big enough to let Sinn Féin in, its highly likely that several "we won't work with SF" sorts will immediately start working with them.Greens are among that group.
>>533017459Are the protests still ongoing or have they been mostly dissolved?I don't follow irish politics much but looking at your political parties I just see the same "center right / center left" globalist paradigm everywhere. It seems quite grim even if the government goes down
>>533025421Ongoing but efforts are underway to forcibly break them up. >just see the same "center right / center left" globalist paradigm Yes, except in our country those who have ACTUALLY merged rather than being a uniparty.FF (centre-left) and FG (centre-right) were bitter rivals for decades until FF collapsed years ago. But they both love power too much, so have been in a permanent coalition with each other ever since.The "3rd option" isn't much better, as its Sinn Féin-who aren't centre anything, but who are instead overtly left wing.
>>533025537>FF & FG are centreNot really considering their stance on all the immgration and covid
>>533025699Common sentiment, but that's just because they've gradually followed the same progressive trends as the rest of Europe.In truth, they remain close to the centre. I think fellas believing FF/FG are "left wing" are in for a very nasty shock if SF ever get in. I guess at least there'll be more hype around the IRA for people into that.
>>533025699>Not really considering their stance on all the immgration and covidImportant future low wage workers en masses that competitively didadvantages native populations chance of fairer wages etc is economically RIGHT WING.Slavery was and always will be economic right
>>533025935There is no real right wing though or at least none that have any capability to get even close to getting elected. Im not pro sinn fein either way but we need to get rid of our current never ending back and forth power shift between ff and fg and sinn fein is the only realistic chance. All that being said our people are fucking cowards and we deserve what we get regardless
>>533026153I agree, there isn't really an Irish right despite what certain online people (see: Americans) would have you believe.Basically just need the FF-FG permacoalition to break. Once it does, anything goes; the pair of them being guarenteed leadership is what prevents anything ever shifting at all.
>>533026113And if you couple in a few factors like housing or lack of it creates a supply demand then rapid rise in rental costs.FG and FF have been In Blackrocks pockets for ages and it you think that's left wing you're a few chips short of a full spud.This country is being ran for foreign investors not the people. Google, Apple, Meta and EU bureaucrats make the policy decisions in this country now not the Irish people.. Nothing much has changed since British rule
>>533017459nothing will happen, much better for opposition to complain and show token support by pushing for no-confidence while achieving nothing, none joined the protesters. ffg party member will not vote against their own party, it was proven many times the last 2 decades.everyone battered by irish army & pig force will still treat the local free state forces as respectable heroes while voting in local elections for mcentee, harris, martin, callaghan>>533025935>>533026113abortion, homosex marriage legalisation, mass replacement of native population is supported by leftists, cuckservatives and capitalists
>>533026427>abortionmainstream>homosexmainstream>immigrationmainstreamConservative or even "centre-right" parties have supported all 3 for ages in other countries. Again, Ireland just has a permacoalition of centre-left and centre-right which is why this happens. There's never been a left wing government, but it's the only likely outcome of FF/FG breaking. As for>nothing will happenUsually my mantra re: Irish politics but this time its a bit ropier. Most have been expected a FF rebellion against the Taoiseach, and a lot of FF TFs (particularly backbenchers) are absolutely furious and absolutely could end up supporting this. Not that many will be needed; they're already at nearly 60/88 votes.
>>533026427>abortion, homosex marriage legalisation, mass replacement of native population is supported by leftists, cuckservatives and capitalistsI agree to a large extent but some areas such as abortion and gay marriage are very grey areas. Abortion becoming an industry then it's an issue Gay marriage, marriage opens door to citizenship etc and is open to abuse for passport or tax shoppers. Straight marriage is also an issue in that regardWe don't have to be become a socially repressed shit hole to fix that but nonetheless the issue is capitalism and theocrats that wish to control demographics for their own purposes
>>533025421broken yesterday, regrouping today with for the next round, probably without the fiddles this time.
>>533022931>>533023038>>533023092Tá an c ag an deireadh séimhithe. fuaimnítear é cosúil leis an ch san fhocal "loch" nó an x san IPA. Tá an nuachanúint mícheart, dá mba coiteann é féin.
>>533022972>The Shinners are going to win by landslideIt will be a great time altogether for NEET life
>>533027114Agus ansin bualadh achán duine bos.
>>533026644>mainstreamdoes it not seem odd to you that so called oppositional political parties of all political persuasions all agree on implementing the most degenerate effects on the nation, but die on a hill about increasing their own pensions or speaking rights in the dail. it is mainstream only by their consistent actions>>533026740>become a socially repressed shit holeabortion restriction and no homo marriage or child adoption is not repression but preserving the sanctity of life and marriage
I have to move to Ireland.Is Dundalk alright?I just want somewhere cheap, the fewer browns the better but I can tolerate a few.
>>533027584Dundalk used to be a cool border town, full of characters and nightlife had some great bars, now it's close to being a sharia containment zone.
>>533027522>sanctity of life and marriageThe Catholic Church is not a friend of Ireland, anon.You're right, I agree with you that these things are mainstream because politicians say they are, my point was more that Ireland really doesn't know what a left wing government is yet. Gonna get worse before it gets (((better)))
>>533027746Grim. Really is the way of everything nowadays.Anywhere better?
>>533022547Hopefully soon.
>>533027945I blame Vatican Two.And Jesuits.And Marxists.But I repeat myself.
>>533018857>>533018806The Irish fuel protesters who vowed to stand firm just got their shit pushed in by the cops without even a whimper. Leaf truckers put up a way better fight. I wasted a whole day watching that. All I wanted was a comfy general.
>>533027949In N.I. or the republic?
>>533027949If being near a city doesn't matter, just pick anywhere and move to the countryside. Ideally somewhere with a decent GAA scene.
Very doubtful that this will materialise but if it does nobody's going to be able to form a govt lol
>>533028099Republic.
>>533026644>60/88 votesWhere are you getting this info? Genuinely curious if theres a live update out there not on social media
>>533017459the problem sinn fein has is that our welfare class already get enough.They have no policy.>ugh free houses, ugh leave the EU? ugh we are leaving for the US because we destroyed the country.
>>533028196Since your english, I would say westport. Great and well managed town, lots of other English for networking. Used to be a major english garrison and port had a lot of high up peers there. After John Lennon and Yoko Ono bought an island there it became the folk music capitol of Ireland.
Small landlord here. There is no money in the small landord game. Im taxed at 52% or whatever and then after that I also have to pick up the tab for repairs and maintenance. Its a complete joke.Enjoy your corporations. Im selling up and I have no idea what to do with the money I get.
>>533028310We should never have joined the EU, sure we'd have less but we'd actually have control over it
>>533027945One does not have to be a friend of any religion to agree and believe with that statementThe leftist gov we will get is either with broad leftist coalition / sf with sd and ff / ffg goes even more antination. the citizens will be getting battered physically and financially by the state as usual, whoever wins we lose
>>533028233Comes from parties which have a whip applied who have publicly declared support; wide speculation about many other supporting it but no public statement/whip, so doesn't count.SF 39 + SD 11 + IndIre 4 + AÚ 2 + PBP = 59 votes. That's the reason I am paying more attention to this than others; within a few hours of the motion, we're only 29 seats short of the government coming down-at a time when most were expecting news of a FF rebellion against the Taoiseach. Greens are another possible 11 seats, but they've not announced anything yet.
>>533028450Look at the brits. They blamed the EU for everything and after they left nothing changed. they were just poorer.
>>533027522>abortion restriction and no homo marriage or child adoption is not repression but preserving the sanctity of life and marriageOur country like many others is being destroyed through corporate greed. It has no future for the people under that occupation.Let's worry about moral fabrics when we control our country independentlyLike I said in previous posts corporations control the country NOT the people
>>533028413I'm from Scotland but I'll check it out, thanks.
>>533027384An bhfuilim mícheart, áfach?
>>533028604Más tábhachtach duit í do theanga, labhair í ceart.
>>533028511Ah ok, makes sense. Appreciate the info bongbro
>>533028450>muh EULook up how much Seán Lemass sold exclusive oil+gas exploration rights to Americans in 1958.The call is coming from inside the house.>>533028506Yeah, but I cringe when I see Irish lads get influenced by American LARPers into thinking some tradcath faggotry is any use to Ireland. Catholic Church fucked us over every chance they get.
>>533028536Yes because they joined and then left, if they never joined theyd be better off
>>533028701>bongplease, I'm an Fermanagh man.
>>533028413Eh, sounds a bit wanky.Bit Collapsing Star Gravity Well.I spose there'd be a lotta venues start cropping up.I feel like the best folk music is played by weird old men who live in a tree and play for the birds mind.Or Scotsmen, actually.But then, I rate The Corries above The Dubliners.
>>533024914You have two of them on either side of your head
>>533028705Im in no way saying the EU is the source of all our problems and we gained alot from joining them. But long game it just means having the country ruled by some foreign bastard in Brussels which i dont think i need to outline why foreign entities having some form of control over the country is a bad thing.
>>533028736The politicians never asked us if we wanted to join a political union; sneaky wankers pitched it as a free trade zone.
>>533028604Céad faoin gcéad.
>>533028806My bad paddybro
>UPDATE>UPDATE>UPDATE>LABOUR SUPPORTING NO CONFIDENCE VOTE>70/88 VOTES SECUREDParties supporting the vote of no confidence:>Sinn Féin>Labour>Greens>Independent Ireland>Aontú>People Before Profit>Social DemocratsWe now need just 18 SEATS from the combined TDs of>Independents (9)>100% Redress (1)>Fianna Fáil (48)>Fine Gael (37)Remember; there is widespread anger among the FF backbenches about the protests and huge opposition to the Taoiseach.
>>533028545>corporations control the countryagreed >NOT the peoplediagree, certain people are administrating it, while others implicity support it
>>533028686go díreach, chá raibh mé ag ach magádh
>>533026267There's barely a British Right either.Rupert's a jewel, but he's still in the natality of his political career so anything could happen.
>>533029236Britain at the very least has civnat sorts like Reform, even if they are mostly LARPers. There just literally isn't a right-wing Irish party anywhere near government.Irish Patriotism or Nationalism of any kind is very taboo and forbidden in Ireland, because it can play into the hands of Sinn Féin.
>>533028450trade and connection comes with peace. The eu should stay in place as it is just for that alone.>>533029038croch tú féin
>>533028819>Eh, sounds a bit wanky.Naw man I lived there a couple years, I'm giving you gold.
>>533029388>croch tú féinkek mór
>FF TDs and Senators have been summoned to Dublin early tomorrow for a parliamentary party meeting in Leinster House at 11am, following discussions between the Taoiseach and the Chief WhipLooks like Butler has informed Martin that he may be well and truly fucked
>>533024914obsessed with us because we enslaved you back in egypt
>>533028705Many Irish nationalists were excommunicated by the catholic church for fighting for independence, the laudabiliter by Norman/English pope Adrian led to centuries of occupation
>>533017459Shin fain are communists though...
>>533029570>among the earliest european nations to criticise zionism>among the last european nations to agree to speak with israel>most pro-palestinian nation in europe>IRA trained with PLOIt has always been in Israel's interests that Ireland be destroyed.
>>533024914>eire"Goddess of the Aryan," you're seething is appropriate
>>533029550Rumours abuzz that a *lot* of backbenchers in Fianna Fáil are going to support the vote of no confidence.
AoC sould be lowered to 9 for girls and 4 for boys
>>533030792I see Cavan has joined the thread.
>>533030861some namefag is posting in other threads. im gonna do my thing and put a stop to it like last time
>so what now?There is an announcement at 6pm about the Government's response to the protests.18 votes are needed to bring down the Government, and there's an emergency meeting of Fianna Fáil (largest govt party) in the morning. Either the announcement at 6PM sorts things in a way that pacifies everyone (unlikely) and we're into the fun zone, or they manage to quieten things down which means the new panic zone will be 11am tomorrow.
I hope Martin goes, he is spineless regarding Israel and therefore our banks, we need to expel the kikes and ban dual passport recognition with them
>>533032327He'll go for sure, just a matter of when. His own party hates him, it's literally now just a question of whether he goes via no confidence vote or after it fails.
>>533032459I saw him walking nearby to where i live a few years ago, i wanted to shout "build some fucking houses you retard" but didn't want to sound like a knacker, half regret not doing it
>>533021931Same lad. We probably know eachother
>>533033044If you hate kikes then likely
The National Party is a national disgrace
My honest prediction is that it'll go one of two ways. I'd say it's about 60-40.>60No Confidence falls short, getting around 80 votes total.>40Enough Govt+Independents turn on government, Micheal Martin gone as leader shortly after.If there's even a whisper of anyone in FF/FG supporting the vote, then its curtains for the government.
please don't let the kikes ruin your country like ours
>>533033203 Can you explain your meaning? I found malachy stevenson's attitude to the protest strange, as well as Barrett's. The younger NP guys were helping out it looked like.
Nothing will happen
>>533033676I just want to see them all get the worst outcome for everyone possible. I hate them all. I'd piss in their tea if I could
>>533034026I don't trust any of those parties. They are useful proxies for either Russia or America.American helped fund the right wing nationalists nutjobs in Yugoslavia right before the war.Fast forward and Yugoslavia is in pieces and America installed all their greedy little corporations..I have no trust in any of those parties
>>533033676Charles Ward will assumedly back it (no confirmation yet, but it's very likely) bring us up to 71. There are a few independents who'll back it, bringing us up to 80 most likely.Getting very close.
Are you fuckers going to save your country? You still have time, unlike much of the west.https://x.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/2043366563839959208
>>533035738>yank>loves mcgregorThis is why people see all of you as nigger-tier retards.McGregor is an attention seeker, and a serial rapist. His MMA career and popular support in Ireland died out years ago so he went to the US, and now makes most of his money playing-pretend as an Irish patriot for American clicks.During the recent Irish presidential elections he pretended not only to be a candidate but to have won, despite not even his own hometown trying to nominate him.Americans are like cattle honestly. Embarassing lad
Bump my new thread bro's
>>533034026NP got taken over by state agents. Malachy Steenson also works for the state.
>>533036568Im so tired of protests, someone park their lorry infront of micheal or simons gaff and hurl cow dung at them when they try to leave
>>533035893Could you save me the nigger tier explanation and character assassination as a defense mechanism? We have seen the migrant centers going up in flames and the fuel protests from across the pond. Obviously, the potato niggers are upset and rightfully so. I just want something good to happen for once.
>>533035893>McGregor is an attention seeker, and a serial rapist.So is like at least half of the British royal family.What's your point?
>>533037029>save me the nigger tier explanationMcGregor doesn't actually care about any of this, everything he does is for American clicks. He would (and probably will) sell out actual anti-immigrant politics the second it stops making him rich.>>533037208That backing completely uninvolved famous people who are just making money from clickbait online is how any and all "right wing" political movements die. But aye, let the niggerbrained cokehead become a leader of the movement.
>>533036919Someone drive a New Holland through McEntee's livingroom window and let a manure spreader H-Block the walls in shit
>FINE GAEL HOLDING PARLIAMENTARY PARTY MEETING THIS EVENTINGThat's both government parties holding emergency meetings in response to the No Confidence Vote-only a handful of TDs from each would need to vote against the Taoiseach to bring him down.Given the broad coalition of anti-government parties (across left & right) and the fact the protests are lead by many farmers (backbone of many of said TDs), we could be in for an interesting night.Punters officially starting to shift from>We'll probably be just shy of 88 votes.to>uh...well...we're closely monitering things...
>>533028310>free housesOnly 3% of Irish people live in Social Housing, we really have fuck all
>>533036919>someoneDo it yourself
Cabinet meeting for the "please stop protesting" package has ended about half an hour ago.Early reports suggest it will cost "more than tens of millions."
>>533037899The government and their network of communists have to go. All the communist types working for government and foreign capital need to be purged. All their spending, all their propaganda, all their networks must go. We need a government to create an economy and country for the Irish and the Irish only. All the foreign freeloaders part of the government system must go.
>>533037381>>533035893This guy fucks.McGregor is a retard tan rapist, he is also pro kike which disgusts us all
>>533038616>irish government>network of communists>communist types working for government and foreign capitalLad. Listen to yourself. Yes, the Irish Government are unbearable cunts who are (and have been) killing Ireland for decades. Yes, they do support the same broad socially progressive slop politics that most of Europe has for some time now.But no, they are not communists. They are conservative at one end and liberal on the other, but as categorically opposed to socialism or communism as you are. The language you're using sounds like you are taking lessons from internet patriots, most of whom are shills or American.>We need a government to create an economy and country for the Irish and the Irish onlyThis used to be the stance of Fianna Fáil until the 1950s. >foreign freeloading part of the government system must goand that's what the lefties want, anon. Trouble is, they want all the heinous other social shit they always want.Sadly, actual politics (unlike the black and white baby tier shit in the UK/USA) is convoluted and very messy. You will never, ever, ever win unless you can convince ordinary people that your ideas will make their lives better. Everything else is just shadowboxing on the internet.>>533038701He's a litmus test for if an "Irish Nationalist" gets their views spoonfed to them by foreigners, kekked.
>>533038701Don't let the agitation get to you. Nows the time to focus and highlight the government and enemies. Don't get sucked into all the diversions looking to distract you. People may not agree on everything but let it go to build the unity.
>>533039124There is a big gulf between not falling into infighting and not letting niggerbrained Israel shills be worshipped openly, kekked.
>>533039124if your hating jews isint your top priority, youre a kikeslave
>>533037616Someone drive right over her fat inflated head please>>533038331You couldnt pay me to step foot in Dublin
>>533022972>The Shinners are going to win by landslide in the next GEThe problem here is you have to ask which constituencies they're going to flip seats in. In the rural 5-seaters, there are barely any where they have a viable second candidate because they've shit themselves twice in a row at the Local Elections.Personally, I can only identify about 5 semi-realistic seat gains for SF (and two for the SocDems).
>>533036913DESU I got a strange phone call one night and left the party myself. Quinlann is legit though.
>>533038991>opposed to socialism or communism as you areNah this is where you're wrong. The public sector is filled with useless incompetence. They support the expansion of the state which is "communist". Many will openly admit they support communist ideology. I've seen how trade union leaders openly support communism. I know there's American anti communist propaganda infiltrating Ireland. This is different to what I'm saying. If we don't solve the public sector problem then we will be back to square one in another decade. Obviously there's a private sector problem too but, they will lose power and influence once we get rid of the bureaucracy. We need Irish businesses employing Irish people.
>>533039449It's "you're" ya big dummy.
Mary Moo McDonalds is always posing as the rebels and trying to pander to the disenfranchised but it never comes off as genuine. And my first reaction is to think now see's another bandwagon to jump onto. But if memory serves me, she did oppose the carbon tax. if SF commit to denying the Uni-party, then fair fucks to her, honestly. I will begrudgingly respect that
>>533039590>You couldnt pay me to step foot in DublinThen stop expecting other's to do it. Nows the time to unify.
>>533039875>They support the expansion of the state which is "communist."Communism is not "the state does things", lad.Some of the most right wing politics in Ireland's history have called for the state to have more power than the Communists would even want.>I've seen how trade union leaders openly support communism. They are union leaders, anon. They're supposed to.>If we don't solve the public sector problemThis is tackled by making politics as local as possible, to tackle the civil service blob that acts as guardians of the tax-haven economy we have and obstacles to any sort of serious national reform.>We need Irish businesses employing Irish people.Again, this is awkwardly where the lefties are more aligned to you than anyone else. NOT saying support them-but I'm saying that your perception of the FF/FG permagovernment as a left wing entity instead of just a self-serving typical EU liberal entity is the misstep.I know you might want to say>okay anon, what's your answer thenand my answer is that there isn't one right now. But doing the US thing of "everything I hate is the far left" is ruinous.>>533039978Seen increasing calls for new SF leadership which is hilarious for they will 100000% just pick another woman.That's the thing with SF. I hate the cunts so much, but they are populists with a very strict whip. There are some people in there that could be big upsets for the establishment, but they will always follow orders from the party.
>>533040019Sounds like a lazy dubliners take>noooo you should do it even though im 5 mins away and am more affected by their legislationWhat am i supposed to do drive a few hours up the country to frollick about the city looking for politicians skipping through the street
>>533039978Sinn fein are even worse again. They are a party who literally became popularised because of the expansion of the welfare state after the 2008 crash. These communist types in sinn fein are the first to silence people who criticise them. At least with FF/FG they allowed people to criticise up until recently. Sinn fein are the type who are economically illiterate. They on one hand will promise the people the expansion of government spending and then on the other promise to lower taxes. So where the fuck are they getting the money to spend without taxes? Even looking at their "solutions" for the housing crisis only proves how incompetent they are. At least with FF/FG they will support property rights. The only thing Sinn fein has going is the "nationalist" aesthetics that would appeal to dummies who don't know anything about politics which is a good percentage of the voter base.
>>533040736What I'm curious about with SF is how the north-south voters differ.There's a popular belief in the north that within a month of Ireland unifying, Sinn Féin will implode-even in NI the party has factions, and many only vote due to long support for the IRA's campaign up here.Be very funny to see them lost their only real thing (wanting a United Ireland) and seeing what politics they try to actually embrace.
>>533040337>Communism is not "the state does things", lad. I know this. I'm not anti socialist, just anti communist. These people have communist ideology not, national socialism. >They are union leaders, anon. They're supposed to. No, this is where you're wrong. Trade union leaders are parasites that hold people hostage. They don't even support workers rights as seen with covid and open borders policy. Trade unionism doesn't have to be communist. The best unions will always be voluntary. I'm not anti union. The economy needs unions in big industry.>your perception of the FF/FG permagovernment as a left wing entity instead of just a self-serving typical EU liberal entity is the misstep. How?
>>533040736Yeah there are no good politics, whod have thought. Its never been about replacing them with better candidates more just slowing down the process of them robbing us. Ff and fg have a good set up already to do it, sinn fein will take a while to set it up where they can confortably steal like the current cunts. Basically we're buying time by electing them they are commie tards though
>>533040684I'm not a Dubliner. I was pointing out that you shouldn't except others to do it.
>>533041229>Trade unionism doesn't have to be communist. My point was that they'll always support progressive politics because to not do so will lose them support of the only parties who still work with them; it was true in the past that they were there own thing, but as I'm sure you know so many big Unions are less about rights and more about regulation now.The Unions will never, ever, ever side with actual right-wing politics, especially not in Ireland.>How?Because you paint them as a left wing entity to be destroyed, when in reality the only meaningful opposition to them is an actual left wing party.Most right wing voters in Ireland vote for Fine Gael, because they are a centre-right party. But then>people keep calling them left wing/struggle to differentiate between them and FF>softer and softer conservatives vote for them>suddenly they are "liberal conservative" or "christian democrat">but still the only party with meaningful ties to the groups from which right wing votes tend to come (farmers, big businesses, etc)So instead of there being a clear right/left divide, in Ireland we have>The Government; FF/FG (Centre left, Centre Right, paralysed permanent coalition)>The Left (Sinn Féin+the rest)>The RightNonexistant off the internet. No influence in government, media, economy.Oppose who you like, but do it properly.
>>533040927It doesn't take much to see that sinn fein are far to gone. They really only grew in popularity because people at the time, myself included, thought they were nationalist and they would be anti global. If they get into government it will be FF/FG all over again but worse.
>>533041480I actually dont im just bitterly venting, dublin dwellers schedules are too full of pro pali,pro migger protests they could never
>>533041805I reckon they get a lot of votes on the belief simply that they can break the FF-FG uniparty. Even if people who do so don't want SF in government, they'll try put them in thinking it'll at least shake things up.Unfortunately I don't think they are ready for how dogshit it'll be if they do get in. I don't think anything that serious would change, it'd just be 500 headlines crying about the IRA every week as rent continues to slowly go up.Hard luck to the revolutionary socialists in Dublin joining Sinn Féin when they meet their northern counterparts who own half the slums in south Belfast.
>>533041349We need to get people like the protest organisers into power.
so what ended up happening with the protests?
>>533042055The protest organisers are all self interested farmers and business owners. They could have done this for covid or ipas and they didnt do shit till it hit their pocket. Fuck emqq
>>533042055We need to get the EC out of power first. No one is mentioning this. We don't need a Irexit right away, but a "hostile remain" needs to be the top order of business. The government's handling of the farmers has made this abundantly clear.
>>533042182Mcntee came out and offered blowjobs to them in return theyd go home, shes been sucking since 20 past 7
>>533017489>boot NeoLib, pro-open borders globalist faggots because they've taken turns running the country into the ground over the last 40 or so years>elect Communist, pro-open borders globalist faggots for a change to see how they perform Joke of a country. Absolute fucking joke.
>>533041650>they'll always support progressive politics becauseIt's just because they're communist orientated. Obviously, they're not hardliners like the bolshevik revolutionaries. They're just anti social conservativism. >The Unions will never, ever, ever side with actual right-wing This is why they need to be purged like all the public sector. Unionism was formed for workers rights, not social degeneracy. >Most right wing voters in Ireland vote for Fine Gael, because they are a centre-right party. But then I just have different definitions. Right wing to me is monarchs, theocracy, fascism etc. I see our republic as left wing. That's where our confusion is.
>>533039947>akshullyi meant to say "you". nice try though, reddit
>>533022382You should have. The only good thing to come out of Dublin is the road to Cork.
>>533042575go make your own culture, burgeranon. stop trying to insert yourself into mine
>>533042644I’ll insert myself into any Irish hole I please.
>>533042697>t. virgin
>>533042011>shake things up. Ah yes, the usual bullshit people say. "Shake things" will simply mean more bureaucracy.>Unfortunately I don't think they are ready for how dogshit it'll be if they do get in.I don't think the people supporting them are aware either.
>>533040927I think a lot of northerners would be loyal to SF out of compulsion and ignorance like they are now. I can see them continuing to pretending being nationalist at face value yet still doing everything to undermine the Irish nation in practice. They'd still throw nationalists a bone like the irish language, and they'd continue the populism, jumping onto every bandwagon they can. And they'd continue the libshit politics. It works now, so why wouldn't it work for them after a united Ireland? There would be no reason to change. With the north, they'd probably do better in a GE even with the catholic vote split into the previously southern parties
>>533042736I have an Irish child. Do you?
>>533042439Politics is just changing the colour of the object theyre going to put in you bum
>>533042970you have a mutt child. i would never
>>533042299>The protest organisers are all self interested farmers and business ownersNah this isn't true. It was true for farmers in the past but they were just representing themselves which is fair. This protest is more than fuel but the people in the protest aren't saying it because they know how the media smears everything.>>533042316>ECWho?
>>533043121the european comission>>>/b/this place is for politics and news
>>533043121>>ECEuropean commission.
>>533043185Ya, the EU is another problem but one step at a time. With the right government we could fuck over the EU. If the government invested into Irish industry and created a productive economy that works for Irish people then the EU would lose it's power. We are to dependent on the EU for trade and the American multinational for revenue.
>>533043632Not the EU the EC, that is the main problem that all the other problems stem from.
>>533043632EU parliament doesn't call the shots, the EC does. They are entirely unelected. They provide RTE/Newstalk/Newspapers with strict guidelines for what they can and can't cover. They provide funding for election interference in our local and national elections, etc. Think of it as the Irish equivalent to AIPAC.. They are the folks (mostly zionists) calling the shots. Watch the glow fags come in the thread now.
>>533043716The EC is the EU. They're all the same governmental body. Just semantics. We need to start pushing back on the British too and claiming more territory. Looking for more sea for oil reserves. If countries like Norway and Switzerland can get by without EU bureaucracy then so can we.
>>533017459OUR DAY WILL COME!
>>533044061I know all this. Soros was one of their biggest advisors. He was behind the abortion referendum.
>>533044142for a man who knows very little, you certainly have a lot of opinions
>>533018000>noticedonly jews on sticks will make and have made world better ever
>>533044142>The EC is the EU. They're all the same governmental body. Just semantics.NílThe European Commission (EC) is way older than the European Union (EU). They have consolidated all the power that matters, they are unelected and largely jewish run.
>>533042561>It's just because they're communist orientated. I think you need to get "communist/communism" out of your lingo when describing these people because it just makes you look like a retard lad.>This is why they need to be purged like all the public sector. Okay, who's purging them? You? Like I said, if you can't convince ordinary people that what you're endorsing makes their lives better they'll oppose you.>I just have different definitions.In this case you are simply incorrect.You see things your own way, fair enough. So do I. But labels exist for a reason, and they're important especially when being critical. Imagine getting a chance to smash FF/FG and then getting laughed out the room by smug Dubliners because you just rave about all these big businessmen being communists.>>533042836Yep. >I don't think the people supporting them are aware either.You'll laugh but a lot of young SF voters genuinely believe in the whole "they'll change once they're in power" meme, kekked.>>533042859It really is the IRA/cause element.The way people saw the likes of Collins back in the day are the way people see the likes of McGuinness and so on; this is often lost on southerners but the north genuinely has a lot of local heroes who are worshipped for putting up a fight back in the day.It's partly for this reason that we all think SF is brittle; in a United Ireland, there is no British involvement-support for Republicanism/historic IRA stuff is no longer tied to Sinn Féin exclusively in that scenario, so the compulsiveness would vanish.>>533044175Those guys are socialists, anon.
>>533030792>AoC sould be lowered to 9 for girls and 4 for boys>>533044670This you?
>>533044862look at the id, newfag. ofc its me. seethe
My guy in the Dáil (see: mate of a journo covering developments tonight) says that we can expect to see a lot of>this is really coming down to the wire>this is the closest its ever been>ff/fg will be sweating nowLots of focus on Michael Lowry and what he does, but general consensus is that if even *one* FF/FG TD even hints at support for the vote, it's curtains for the government.
>>533023947Weren't the Gallowglass all Scottish highlanders who just fought in Ireland?
Perpetually seething and chimping out at the country with the largest percentage of your racial disapora when they try being sympathetic to your political struggle is a fascinating, and quintessentially irish, choice
>>533045147yes, they were strictly hereditary warrior caste so they all eventually died out.
>>533045147it just meant foreigner. foreign mecernary. most of them were norwegians from okrneys and dublin but basically anyone, even gaels who could fight, would join
>>533045147Nope. They originated from Norse-Gael clans on the western coast of Scotland, who gradually moved into Ireland in such numbers that they became better known as an Irish thing. Lots of Irish Kings used them, and they became particularly notable during Tyrone's Rebellion due to actions like Curlew Pass.>>533045177>you should value Irish Americans moreWe would, but most Irish Americans are absolute retards. Case in point-the lad ITT demanding we all bumlick Conor McGregor (shill for Kikes) because he saw some epic posts on social media.There's a reason that historically Irish Americans have been seen as a bank to take money from and not much else.
>>533045298wrong. they were granted titles for service to earls but most of them were just simple sellswords
>>533044750>it just makes you look like a retard lad. I don't care what other people think. They're the people who call themselves communist or socialist. >Okay, who's purging them? You? Like I said, if you can't convince ordinary people that what you're endorsing makes their lives better they'll oppose you. A change of the right government would clear out these people. Most of these people are doing unproductive jobs or else peddling social degeneracy. I get your point and agree with you. People will see these people were useless cunts anyway. >because you just rave about all these big businessmen being communists.But I never said this? I said the public sector has a good percentage of communists. Trade unions literally fly communist slogans. The government literally fly degenerates flags. The businessman changes his tune when they don't have these people to profit off.
>>533044962I was being sarcastic pedophile.
>>533045470Both of us are somewhat correct. By the time they came to Ireland they were a completely hereditary caste, that's my understanding. Earlier they were Norse-Gaelic clansmen from Argyll probably Hebrides etc. Although every station in Gaelic Ireland was hereditary at that time I suppose.
>>533045825>low iq retard cant into grammar>low iq retard cant into layer irony>low iq retard cant into chan culturelurk moar
>>533044750>in a United Ireland, there is no British involvement-support for Republicanism/historic IRA stuff is no longer tied to Sinn Féin exclusively in that scenario, so the compulsiveness would vanishI just don't see the average northern catholic voter thinking "well, that's that then, i'll vote for the fienny foolies/finy goolies now" because of exactly what you said:>the north genuinely has a lot of local heroes who are worshipped for putting up a fight back in the dayNo one is just going to forget that all of a sudden. Even many younger people under 30 think SF are THE nationalist vote and see them in the same light, as the successors of their ancestor's glory and struggle and will. SF just isn't going to dissolve, it will become even bigger until they are governing and then they'll fuck shit up and everyone will get sick of them and see what we see. But by then, it will be too late. We'll all be nogged and zogged
>>533046152>We'll all be nogged and zoggedgaellic servility on full diplay here, boyo. the irish will survive through me and my indominatable autism. my sons will take the mantle of "irish" from you fenian serfs
Ádh mór, a bhráithre Éireannacha!
>>533045916>they were a completely hereditary castethats because the filled the role of housecarls and tax collectors. they were admimistrators but when it came to war, any lad big enough who owned a spear was welcome to join
>>533045177Ireland needs a nationalist paramilitary so you can send them guns
>>533045987>chan culture
>>533045916>Both of us are somewhat correctyou're probably more correct though depending on the context. im looking at them as an anthropologist and you're looking at them as a historian
>>533047026lurk moar newfag. daily dose. clean it up, jannies
>>533017459>w'll just ask the government to vote themselves out of powerbrilliant idea, what could go wrong?
>>533045177Americans are too fucking retarded to be allowed near Ireland, ye are kiked
>>533047169You're that anime guy, aren't you?
>>533046499I'm just telling it how it is. You can delude yourself with fantasies, but this is the path we're on. We should currently have a viable political path and we don't. We're 10 years too late. NP tried and it shit the fucking bed. Everyone is ignorant as fuck on politics and haven't a fuck what is going on or know what is what. It's already over. By the time Irish people truly grasp what is at stake, it will be too late. We didn't have 80 years to figure it out and jump out of the pot. We got dropped into the pot as it was already boiling overBut oh look, we've got an autistic man. We're saved. pack it up everyone
>>533047436stopped reading when you post sounded exactly like a whiny text from some young one. i saw NP though and audibly kek'd. you dont need to worry about the irish. stick to worrying about the male lonliness epidemic and third wave feminists. leave polictics to the men
>UPDATE>UPDATE>UPDATEAs expected, Charles Ward (100% Redress) is supporting the vote of no confidence.Vote count: 71/88.All eyes now on the fact that FG and Fianna Fáil are having emergency meetings tonight and tomorrow, seemingly spurred on by FF's Chief Whip. Trouble brewing in the backbenches; even a single FF/FG TD indicating support will spell an election.>>533046152>"well, that's that then, i'll vote for the fienny foolies/finy goolies now"It's more likely that SF will splinter (as it did with Aontú) and even a chance new major parties will emerge. The border keeps FF/FG in power just as much as it does the Unionists up here.>No one is just going to forget that all of a sudden.You'd be surprised how many only begrudgingly vote Sinn Féin. See how literal SF voters get around topics like Brendan Hughes and SF's march to the centre; there's a LOT of SF voters who vote for them because they're the ONLY party in Stormont who aren't completely anti-IRA.
>>533047723Was there a FF laois TD out at the protest in laois? Sean something? Maybe he's just a councillor. I'll check.
>>533047972I think so, aye. Also seen some rumours of a few Fine Gaelers getting some heavy pressure locally from farmers and so on-I think that's what many are missing.Still unsure we'll get over the line, but I think people are greatly underestimating how much anger there is in FF and to a lesser extent in FG. A no confidence vote might be less about *bringing down* the government and instead bringing down the Taoiseach and hoping they'll manage to win the ensuing election.
>>533047723The FF back benchers will throw their leaders under the bus. They know the ship is sinking kek
>>533047640Ok so what's the plan? pump out a bunch of spergspawn and hope for the best?
>>533048353>Ok so what's the plan? pump out a bunch of spergspawn and hope for the best?ngmi
>his smile and optimism: goneShouldn't have sided with Israel, mehole.
>>533048420There is no plan. And our enemies have multiple plans, some motivated by greed, some by power and utopian visions, and some by hatred. And so we will lose. It is that simple. If you don't have a plan and your enemies do, you lose
I have never despised politicians quite like I do Martin or that faggot Harris.Also, it's tragically hilarious that FFFG have just been *officially* alternating power for years, and no one says anything about it.Like "el turno pacífico" in Spain prior to the civil war.
>>533049336Helen is by far worse, 3 attempts at hate speech laws and one attempt at holocaust denial laws, that bitch should be put against the wall and shot
>>533049964Watching her Presidential bid fall apart in about 5 minutes was great.
>>533048911>If you don't have a plan and your enemies do, you lose>there is no planlosers like you flapping your gums will go extinct. as you have since life began om this glorious earthngmi
>approaching bump limit on an éire/pol/Amazing.If anyone fancies making OC "banners" that were always used to start the threads, here's O'Jack.Here's the badge >>533023511Years ago I used to just find scenic photos of each Irish city/county and add both to it. Very comfy.
>>533017894>A Civil War ensued between the Pro-Treaty side, and the Anti-Treaty side. The former were more pro-British/conservative, the latter more anti-British/liberal. Most of the IRA were Anti-Treaty.>The anti-treaty faction was more liberal than the pro-treatyRetard detected>Socially, they're moderates leaning liberal.>Fine Gael>ModeratesFine Gael are responsible for the introduction of divorce, homosexual "marriage", abortion AND all of the LGBTXYZ shit into this country. Why don't you show your flag cunt?
>>533017459The BBC talked about the fuel protests for one day. Nothing before or after Friday. I guess they don't want our tractor niggers getting ideas.
>>533050896Not to be pessimistic, but I don't think it will be a regular thing.
>>533029570Funniest fucking take, this is what I schizo post for.
>>533050963>Retard detectedWhich part of that don't you agree with? What's your counter? Never really met anyone who disagrees.>Why don't you show your flag cunt?I've been posting without it for the rest of the thread, I had forgotten to remove it for a shitpost in another thread.Yes, Fine Gael are moderate. All the things you just suggested are incredibly common even for conservative parties in Europe. Just because you and I wish it wasn't this way doesn't undo that.If, for example, Sinn Féin were in government, you'd agree that yes FG are absolutely moderate. Did you forget when chief faggot vindaloo himself came out to speak against gay marriage? Centre-right, Christian liberal, whatever-they are moderates by basically any metric. Cunts that I wouldn't piss on to put out a fire, but moderates.>>533051034Definitely won't be, but if we get a GE26 it'd be good to have the OC factories up and running.
>>533018056>they're basically a socially conservative Sinn Féin. Anti-abortion, anti-LGBT, anti-IslamAontú aren't socially conservative you subhuman retard. They aren't anti-LGBT or anti-Islam either. They support everything else that Sinn Féin does except abortion. That includes divorce, homosexuality, immigration. They even signed up to anti-racism pledges of the "European Network Against Racism". Pic related is their councillor in Derry.>Loosely right wingIndependent Ireland are neocons, not right wing. They are for example pro abortion.
>>533050820This you? >>533030792>pic rel
>>533018913>Shillbros? Justin Barrett being booted and your party being imploded over gold and leadership disputes was supposed to fix this, no?Trust the plan anon, another YouTube video and AGM will surely fix the Irish nation and defeat the libs.
>>533019515>*Paul Conroy leadership. Quinlan is just a 90IQ figurehead.Quinlan is genuinely low IQ. I'm surprised the man can tie his own shoelaces. Any party with Paul Conroy being involved is de facto being run by Paul Conroy, he wouldn't be involved otherwise. The man is a devious snake.
>>533051244>Aontú aren't socially conservative you subhuman retard. >getting this worked upThey are a more socially conservative SF, yes. That's literally why their party exists. In the literal post you are replying to I point out that while these parties voice opposition to many of these things, they aren't an actual meaningful opposition to them.If you (like that other fella) insist on using your own labels for these groups instead of the very clearly defined ones, that's up to yourselves. Hence why the entire point of that post is that none of "our guys" in Ireland are actually our guys, there's just a collection of the least worst.Aontú are trying to court the anti-immigration vote as we speak (since the 2025 Ard Fheis, anyway) but also want to court the "not racist/homophobic, just hate all this woke stuff" crowd that occasionally bleeds from SF. They are still ineffectual soft cunts. Such is life in Irish politics.
>votekeks always hold up Orban as an example of how you can vote your way out>he gets fucking demolishedLolNP shills will still tell you to waste your time on the circus though as they waste thousands in membership funds on holidays with the lads
>>533051317wat is that pic supposed to imply
>>533022656>Well as a Dubliner, all I can say is the farmers blustered all week, but as about a million kids had to go back to school tomorrow this was inevitable.Oh no, we can't stop the heckin kids from getting to their LGBT brainwashing sessions!!!
>>533051623I unfortuantely struggle to take NP or their lookalikes seriously because they do the leftist thing of endlessly posturing about never comprising only to end up crying on the sidelines.>heh, elections? those are for jews.>we will purge the country of the unworthy>ireland for the irish!>FF +2, FG +1, government survivesAt least they get to epicly aura farm on the internet for yanks, I guess.
>>533051030NI protests on Tuesday lad
>>533023362>Reposting the old éire/pol/ symbols. If there's an election, it'd be fun to revive it.The best fun to be had will be watching the National Party clown brigade's antics, also whatever Justin Barrett gets up to. Can't wait for People's Front of Judea denouncements and counter-denouncements.
>>533051930It's a win/win with this no confidence vote.>Vote passes; get to watch FF/FG cry as everything falls apart>Vote fails; get to watch Sinn Féin bottle things at the last minute and get cucked out of government yet againjust marvellous
>>533051709thats my dox the litter bastard is trying to threaten me into silence
>>533025421>I don't follow irish politics much but looking at your political parties I just see the same "center right / center left" globalist paradigm everywhere. It seems quite grim even if the government goes downThe revolving door where one group of liberal scum gets replaced with another group of the same.
>>533051709https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9knYZpkpVqo
>>533025537>FF (centre-left) and FG (centre-right) were bitter rivals for decades until FF collapsed years ago.65 IQ post. None of these parties are right or even centre. No one gives a fuck about your gay relativist political spectrum, they are all objectively liberal.
>>533025935>Common sentiment, but that's just because they've gradually followed the same progressive trends as the rest of Europe.Low IQ. Common sentiment doesn't dictate objective reality.>In truth, they remain close to the centre.In truth you're retarded.>I think fellas believing FF/FG are "left wing" are in for a very nasty shock if SF ever get in.Maybe that's shocking for someone with such an emaciated brain as you but for people with normal brains it's not. Oh my goodness I'm so shocked and astounded, a liberal party got replaced by an even more left wing party. My world is collapsing around me.
>>533026113>Important future low wage workers en masses that competitively didadvantages native populations chance of fairer wages etc is economically RIGHT WING.>Slavery was and always will be economic rightEconomic right wing is marching these niggers into a public square and shooting them. This is economically JEWISH, not economically right wing.
>>533026374>FG and FF have been In Blackrocks pockets for ages and it you think that's left wing you're a few chips short of a full spud.Liberalism, including capitalism, is a left wing ideology. Economic liberalism is jewish and left wing. But let me guess, Fine Gael are a right wing party.>This country is being ran for foreign investors not the people. Google, Apple, Meta and EU bureaucrats make the policy decisions in this country now not the Irish people.. Nothing much has changed since British ruleTrue, but that still does not make economic liberalism right wing.
>>533026427>everyone battered by irish army & pig force will still treat the local free state forces as respectable heroes while voting in local elections for mcentee, harris, martin, callaghanTruth nuke. Free Stater goycattle kikeslaves would rather die than rock the boat.
>>533052568>left wing right wing chicken wing blah blahWhy are you so invested in labels?
>>533052211LMAO
>>533052333>>533052470I think you probably haven't actually got your head around the actual political landscape of Ireland if you are thinking like this, lad.>they are all objectively liberalDon't even really disagree, but as I said to the other fella your attitude is how the actual right gets constantly laughed out of politics. Calling FG or even FF actually left wing ("liberal" isn't a very common word in Irish political jargon) would see you instantly laughed out of the discussion by just about anyone.I see these parties for what they are, I label them accordingly. Hence the long post about how there are no "our guys" because all the """right""" wing parties are only really right in the sense that most other European centre-right parties are. Don't be daft.
We can all agree to kick out the new planters, right?
>>533053265We can, but nobody with any seats in the Dáil agrees sadly. Best you can hope for is loose calls for "reform" of the immigration to be "strict, but driven by compassion" kekked
>>533017459Ireland doesn't matter Let's talk about Donald Trump some moret.Every fucking person over 30 in this godforsaken country
>>533053345Can we all agree to do it by any means necessary?
>>533053494>we must march in dublin to oppose DRUMPF>please TRUMP come save Ireland>why yes, I am voting for FF/FG. >no I won't vote for someone else, I'm not a DUMB SOCIALIST>no I won't vote for someone else, I'm not an EVIL RACISTDo we even deserve to be a country?
Unpopular leader about to be outed either by no confidence or within a few months by his own party congratulates Hungary in ousting an unpopular leader.
Raaraa upset the establishment sure, why not. My spineless countrymen are nowhere close voting for the only legitimate party in the country. Until then, the more shake-up the better.If you're in this thread and you didn't vote NP then you are personally responsible for importing migrants.
>>533053494It is easier to complain about someone else's problems than face your own.
>>533053799In fairness lad given the state of NP and the shitshow that was the National Alliance you can hardly blame people for second guessing them.Remember they tried to get Keegan to stand for them only for her to bounce 5 minutes later?
>>533022547Cowardice. The Welsh speak Welsh widely. The cornballs speak Cornish occasionally. Irish have to go to the Designated Cuck Island or press 6 to speak Irish to ESB.
>Fuel protests, you say>no worries; tens of millions of euros coming NOW>for you? no no>for the big farmers and hauliers, of course>don't forget to pay your rent, goy!
>>533026644>>abortion>mainstream>>homosex>mainstream>>immigration>mainstream>Conservative or even "centre-right" parties have supported all 3 for ages in other countries. Again, Ireland just has a permacoalition of centre-left and centre-right which is why this happens.Your fixation on defining left and right based on the average position in The Current Year explains why your posts are so retarded. Were communists in the Soviet Union centrists? Low IQ mouthbreather.>There's never been a left wing governmentThe government in Leinster House NOW is left wing. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only anon in this thread highlighting how retarded your posts are.>Usually my mantra re:No one cares about your mantra. Go get a blog you 72 posts by this ID loser.
That's not very reassuring, lads. Maybe you deserve it.
>>533054354>Low IQ mouthbreather.I have a very strong feeling that your politics exist exclusively on the internet and your plans consist of hoping for some sort of supernatural event propelling a party that doesn't exist into government.>I'm glad to see that I'm not the only anon in this thread highlighting how retarded your posts are.The only other person is a fella calling Fine Gael communists.>Go get a blog you 72 posts by this ID loser.You are welcome for the thread, anon!
>>533027522>does it not seem odd to you that so called oppositional political parties of all political persuasions all agree on implementing the most degenerate effects on the nation, but die on a hill about increasing their own pensions or speaking rights in the dail. it is mainstream only by their consistent actionsYou're wasting your time trying to reason with a retard who cannot conceptualise political alignment except by basing it on what the average person agrees with. Objective measurements are beyond his tiny brain.
>>533027584>I have to move to Ireland.You actually don't. Fuck off nigger, we're full.
>>533054516Like I said to another lad, if an actual left wing party gets in I think many people (including some ITT) will realise very quickly how non-lefty the permacoalition is, all things considered.The definitions of right/left have never been ironclad and evolve over time, what is now considered a "right wing" party is very different to what that would have meant decades ago.I dunno why people struggle with that. Seems very video-games politics to me.
>>533047723>there's a LOT of SF voters who vote for them because they're the ONLY party in Stormont who aren't completely anti-IRA.PBP once narrowly rejected a vote to join the IRSP back in 1975. Coincidentally, they have also topped the poll in West Belfast in the recent past.
>>533054025>>533053799Irrelevant. Fundamentally there is only one party worth voting for in Ireland and that is the national party. Voting for anything else is an endorsement of the destruction of your country.Sure could we have a genuinely Irish political party and it not be a shit show? That doesn't sound very Irish to me
>>533027945>The Catholic Church is not a friend of Ireland, anon.Kike hands wrote this post. Why don't you post your 23&me you well poisoning christkiller.>my point was more that Ireland really doesn't know what a left wing government is yet.It's no surprise that the same subversive kike trying to convince us that we have never suffered leftism is the one against Catholicism. You can put as many brackets around words as you want shlomo, nobody is falling for it.
>>533028413Why are you trying to help the judeo-saxon? Embarrassing.
>>533028545>Let's worry about moral fabrics when we control our country independentlyJewish hands wrote this post. The notion that it's possible to care about economics AND morality is apparently mindblowing to some.
>>533054559>Fuck off nigger, we're full.Get your own slogan faggot.Maybe something like ACH OIL FUCK YE BUM IF YE CUM HERE CAUSE OIM A GAYCUNT
>>533054730Fianna Fáil did a lot of flirting with the SDLP years ago, and many hoped it was part of some big island-wide realignment to hurt Sinn Féin. The SDLP ditched FF because they felt that Martin's FF wasn't really left wing enough and because they worried they were just getting blobbed into the uniparty.It's funny to imagine some of the weird political alliances that might come. The Ulster Unionists are 100% going to end up in bed with Fine Gael eventually.>>533054764If you would like NP to have more voters we should probably be encouraging them to do things that win votes instead of clicks from Americans on X.>>533054878>NOOOO YOU MUST DEFEND THE HECKIN POPERINOCatholic Church sides against Irish people all the time, including for the extermination of culture and identity. Don't be a cuck. Do you really think we should be aligning with an institution that very famously opposes any upset to the status quo+is extremely vulnerable to subversion by very powerful foreign elites?>YOU'RE A JEWSorry anon, throughout the thread I have pointed out that worshipping jew lovers is the death of right wing politics in Ireland. Sorry I am not the happy merchant you think I am.
>>533028705>Irish lads get influenced by American LARPers into thinking some tradcath faggotry is any use to Ireland. Catholic Church fucked us over every chance they get.This country has been Catholic since more than 1,000 years before America even existed. You atheist homos will say anything to justify your faggotry.
fucking hate irish people they're all little faggots aside from the boggers into hunting i hang around withcan't wait until i move to a better country like every non retarded irishman has done
>>533055259>This country has been Catholic since more than 1,000 years before America even existed. Yes, and it was put here by England. Then, when it was later suppressed, it instantly took the side of England again when the opportunity arose so it could waggle its finger at all the toxic nasty evil men fighting for Ireland to be a country.I'm don't think you shouldn't be a Catholic, but I do think the faggoty insistence by some that we should be a "Catholic Country" is the gayest shit on the planet. Being a "Catholic Country" didn't save anyone else.
>>533029672One of the only normal and correct posts that this anon has made in this entire thread.
>>533054938he's white, shin fag
>UPDATE>UPDATE>UPDATECarol Nolan (Independent) is supporting the vote of no confidence.72 votes. Now only 87 total needed for a majority.>>533055472I think we will agree on a lot more than you think if you can get past whatever issue you have with my labelling of parties.
>>533055316you're here forever
>>533055566>72 votesfook me this thing is picking up steam
>>533055316I'm not fond of them either. But it is home, and if you leave now the jews win.
>>533055623>you're here forever
>>533055667shut the fuck up you third world memeflag you stink of holy cow carcass and diarrhea
>>533029639>Many Irish nationalists were excommunicated by the catholic church for fighting for independenceMaynooth AKA Gaynooth has been totally compromised since its foundation in 1795 A.D. The only seminary that was state owned by a country whose state religion was not Catholicism. The Maynooth seminary was owned as the personal properly of the English king, the head of his own false religion of anglicanism. The English chose the teaching staff and set the curriculum. They also required an oath of personal loyalty to the English king, the head of his own fake religion. The vast majority of Irish seminarians and priests at the time had nothing to do with Gaynooth for a reason, it was a total psyop to obliterate Irish Catholicism from within and it worked. The English chose the worst possible teaching staff for the seminary, planting the seeds of heresies like jansenism, liberalism and proto-modernism into the new generations of Irish clergy that they pumped out to replace the preexisting clergy not unlike modern ethnic replacement. The same scum responsible for Maynooth went on years later to be responsible for the modernism crisis of the late 18th and early 19th centuries and the culmination at the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. The Irish clergy and episcopacy has been seriously compromised for at least 231 years.>the laudabiliter by Norman/English pope Adrian led to centuries of occupationLaudabiliter never even existed, it was a retroactive fanfiction invention by the English state. There has never been a single copy of this document found, and the first historical mentions of it only occur decades after it was supposedly issued.
so how we vootin for this time, goyim?
>>533055816>I hate this place. I want to leave>Irishmen can't exist outside of IrelandYou're stupid.
>>533032985>i wanted to shout "build some fucking houses you retard"A nice idea in principle but really think about the consequences of it. New housing developments are some of them even sub 10% Irish. They keep building houses but none of them are going to the native population. The more houses they build, the more capacity for the infinite mass colonisation immigration. The vast majority of the native population can't afford any of the new houses either.
>>533056047what are you on about you indian retard? use your head for more than burying it in feces for a minute.you only hide your flag if you're a 3rd worlder.
>>533033203>The National Party is a national disgraceGenuinely a national embarrassment. An entire decade of their humiliating antics.
>>533056240I hide my flag because i don't speak for the Spanish. You fucking scholar
>>533056193I was thinking the solution to the housing crisis is really just to stop the restrictions on planning permissions. Get rid of all the red tape.
>>533036913>Malachy Steenson also works for the state.Malachy Steenson is a red sticky. He was involved with the Officials faction of left wing republicanism. Subversive communist rat.
>>533056365oh so you're an african in the south of spain got itand yes i am a scholar i've made bank from ai books on amazon
>>533036913>NP got taken over by state agentsI wouldn't be surprised if some of the people involved actually were state agents. Paul Conroy especially is a highly suspicious individual. Somehow, everything he touches turns to ashes ever single time. It really would make you wonder.
>300+ postsTerrific, lads.>>533056380>>533056380>>533056380new thread, just in case.
>>533056365keep the memefleg off. anytime i see a spainish fleg on /pol/ i just assume its an irish expat
>>533056471Alright, buddy
>>533035893Rare W from an otherwise retarded poster
>>533055316I'm working on this now tho having boggers to go hunting with songs like heaven.
>>533056640>I'm working on this now tho having boggers to go hunting with songs like heaven.only if you like it up the arse and love being closeted
>>533056528I will, but people who get frustrated over flags have clearly never left this board. They get upset when they can't resort to ad hominem attacks.
>>533056833Are you alright? It sounds like there's something wrong with you.
>>533057048im not the one yearning to spend quality time with the rapists from deliverance
>>533057196Sure everybody needs a hobby
