Daily reminder: if your country younger than Ukraine, your opinion doesnt count
>>533026170Ukraine was established in the 90s
Why is the 10th century the benchmark?
>>533026170This map is not accurate. Both Estonia and Latvia are 1918. While Lithuania is at least from 1253, but it depends on how you count it. First time it's mentioned in the historical sources is 1009.
Also lol on cucking the Bulgarians whose claim goes back to tbe 6th century
>>533026344The current (((ukraine))) has no lineage to Ruriks Kievan Rus
>>533026170Isn’t Bulgaria much older?
>>533026344so was russia
All of these foundling nations are alive only because the glorious Finnish empire sacrificed itself against the eternally foul korean interlopers. The least you could do is say kiitos.
>>533026170A bunch of these are wrong, did a Slav nigger make this?
>>533026170>Poland>12th century
>>533026170Glad you agree that russian opinions don't matter.
>>533026702There was once a Russian empire, thoughbeit
Russia is younger than Ukraine on your own fucking map retard
>>533026170England was united by King Aethelstan after the Battle of Brunanburh in 937AD.
>>533027017He's a russoid, what did you expected?
>>533026963not the same thing
>>533026963Ok, but there were also precursors of ukraine as well, so that doesn't mean much.
>>533026170Ukraine as a country is literally younger than most posters here.
>>533027064Reasons of shaking?
>>5330261701981? You went full retarded Ivan
>>533026170>Spain was established in 1981what?
>>533026397>claimBulgaria was quite literally established in 681, nigga. Same name, same territory. OPs pics is just AI slop, in 1702 nothing happened, we were in the Ottoman empire then.
>Scotland>12th century with William the LionIs this one of those biased maps that picks and chooses which dates apply to each country?
Cum visit me in Cumland
>>533026170Modern Ukraine was not created in the 10th century
>>533027064ESL meme flag shills are even dumber
>>533027017>>533027064To be fair, not all russians are vatniggers.
>>533026170Denmark is from 995, not the 13th century, you dumb zigger.
>>533027213>>533027265There was the notion of a Russia, was there a notion of a non-russian ukraine? Even the name Kievan Rus says something
>>533027397Ok mutt.>>533027399But the majority are.
>>533027457Nobody knows. Nor do they care.
>>533027367Yeah it was established then as a Turkish Pagan Khaganate, it's a bit far from the modern interpretation of Bulgaria
>>533027064Did he died?
>>533027457>Denmark Ukraine's eternal vassals more like lmao kek
>>533026344this. a good number of posters here are older than the ukraine
>>533027457It's a shit map anyway.
>>533027477So here we have a paid shill. What is their objective?
>>533026170>Italia>204 BBC
>>533027513>TurkishWrong.>PaganSo what? Conversion to Christianity is not a criteria for when a country is established.
>>533026810it's AI slop you coded, sukit shitdeep
>>533027706Wrong in what aspect? You and the Avars came from the same Turkish tree
>>533027754>can't even tell the difference between Turkic and TurkishWhy do you insist on arguing about history, you fucking moron?
>>533026170>Spain>1981
>>533027850>they weren't English, they were Anglic>they weren't Germans, they were germanic HAHAHAHH cope you literal turk
>>533026170I don't even know what are the rules of this map because Portugal was created in the 9th century, not 12th, and that's if you only count the reconquista. 12th is when Algarve was taken, and from 13th century when the map didn't change. There's no real definition in this map.
>>533027900Yeah the map is entirely bogus. Just made up arbitrary nonsense without any rhyme or reason.
>>533026170In fact if you go by who didn't change borders Portugal is the undisputed winner, Andorra is second, and all other countries are modern losers who changed borders.
If your country is younger than mine (60,000 BCE) you may not post on this thread any more
>>533026170>Switzerland>1510kekYou can tell Russian hands made this map.
>>533027942>>533028056OP is just a gay retard as usual and misrepresenting something completely unrelated https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1s55gbp/map_of_oldest_symbol_of_each_european_country/
>>533026170Ukraine is only 35 years old for your information.
>>533027513it wasn't - it was established as a confederation between Bulgars, the Seven Slavic tribes and various indigenous peoples along with people that didn't want to be subjects of the ERE
>>533026170Duchy of Croatia (800–925)From the middle of the seventh century until the unification in 925, there were two duchies on the territory of today's Croatia, Duchy of Croatia and Principality of Lower Pannonia. Eventually, a dukedom was formed, the Duchy of Croatia, ruled by Borna, as attested by chronicles of Einhard starting in the year 818.The first king of Croatia is generally considered to have been Tomislav[33] in the first half of the 10th century, who is mentioned as such in notes from Church Councils of Split and the letter of Pope John X.Niger what the fuck is that map.
>>533030057It was established by a Khan of tengri faith on Eastern Roman land, which is why the name even means something in the language of the Turks
>>533030281this is simply nitpicking for the purpose of discrediting, thougheverbeit. Saying the ERE was established by a roman with an illyrian/thracian father won't make you call the ERE non-greek, right?
>>533030521Rome started one way, it ended another. We claim the way most similar to our own, we don't claim the founding from Romulus. You claim the primordial Bulgarian beginning, which stings a bit from the replies I see
>>533026170>Man from Novgorod conquers Kiev>Hohols are bornOkay
>>533030653I don't see how history would sting apart from it being wrong like saying the person that established it was a "khan", there has never been a Bulgarian ruler with that title in any source. >You claim the primordial Bulgarian beginningwhat does that even mean? The primordial Bulgarian beginning is well-documented and you just replied to it. The primordial Bulgar beginning is something else entirely and then we'd have to change locations and years again and rely on myths and conjectures.
>>533026170>Daily remThis is not correct. The unification and the first Norwegian monarch was in 872
>>533026170wft even is a country anyways? my family moved here from india a few generations ago but we're not indian. what even is a "native"nations are fluid and they change. mix and go extinct. none of the countries you posted have any continuity with todaycry harder
>>533030947What about beloved Khan Krum? You and the Avars came about, both of the same Steppe lineageThe bolghars founded your state, and you take your name from them. To claim the 600s Bulgaria is your Bulgaria, is quite pungent
>>533031143I read your post with an idnian accent and it made me chuckle
>>533031239read >>533030057 again if you've forgotten it, thankfully it's written down and you can read it as much as you want. Otherwise refer to >>533030521Reading and the internet really are magical things, otherwise you become albanian/macedonian tier who relies on "A BRITISH PROFESSOR SAID" screenshots for historical data
europeans when they're confronted with the fact that the current iterations of their countries were probably founded post WWII and the US and its constitution has been around a lot longer than the majority of European nations despite their constant harping about how "our nations go back centuries unlike burger land"yeah okay. Until they all got raped and destroyed by Hitler and Stalin.
>>533026170Ok.>stop sending Ukraine any aid>watch Ukraine cease to exist WOOPS.Fuck you Ivan. Fuck you in your face. Fuck you in your mom's face too. Fuck you in your daddy's fuck-loving asshole. Fuck your whole country, your whole people, all in your collective dirty vodka-filled butt-chugging assholes.
>>533031574I mean you have a nice fairytale with the Seven dwarves, but Bolgharia came from the Steppes, it is a Turkish Tengri nation, meaning Mixed Tribe in your ancestral language, am I a villain for showing you your beloved lineage? Your exalted nomadic slayers, grey wolves?
>>533026170One of the most retarded maps I have ever seen.
>germany>12th centurymarch 15th 1991 THOUGHBEIT
>>533026170That map is painfully bullshit. Estonia was founded in 1918, yet somehow that's supposed to be 13th century. 1918 is actually 20th century.
>>533026478Yup. The map itself deserves the sage I'm giving it.
>>533031736you have it all written up, you can even look things up for yourself. I doubt you'll do it since you don't seem to have a grasp of historical terminology with how you use Turkic/Turkish and Bulgar/Bulgarian interchangeably. Have a nice Easter and try not to rely on WW1-era knowledge of the world to try and discredit your neighbours.
>>533030229> Niger 1958> what the fuck is that map.Arbitrary garbage built on technically true dates, 90% sure it's just ragebait. Just look at Greece, lol.
>>533031971How dare I say that Turkics and Turks are about one and the same, right? If Austrians were nuked, Germans everywhere would take it as a bullet in the heart. You cope weakly, trying to weasel your way out of your Turkish Tengri lineage, but your fucking name itself means you came from the Steppe. Christos Anesti, my orthodox brother, I hope you did light up the candle for grandma as I did
>>533026368>>533026395etcstill not accurate btw
>>533032233turkics are a whole race of people from north-central asia spanning as far as europe, levant and afghanistanturks are just one of them
>>533032453And turkey was their colonial project. They used to call Khazaria turkey too, and even today they congregate in a turkic council. They speak their turkic language, they worship their turkic God...I mean look at us and Cyprus, who's gonna say "οh he's not Greek, he's a Cypriot!" When it comes to them? Oh Hitler wasn't a German, he was an Austrian, wow what a difference! Who did that nigger fight for though? His beloved Germany
>>533026170Pretty much none of these countries actually exist anymore as the form on this map. In reality most of you are less than 100 years old and are unironically younger than the USA.
>>533026476you mean Kyivan Rus?
>>533032233>>533031971The kino rivalry your two nations had was absolute peak. Please recommend historic novels that use it as a setting.
>>533026344kekThis thread is now terminated.
>>533032233>Turkics and Turksif anything, you have much more claim to being Turks than Bulgarians - ott*mans had a similar dominion to the ERE, had Anatolia as the heartland of the empire, included various Middle easterners like Syria, Lebanon etc etc. On the other hand the Bulgar (supposed) language was shared by people to the north-east, we have 0 DNA from them (just like 99% of the population back in 681). They were so few that they didn't leave a genetic mark even though they were able to create and maintain an empire at the crossroad of the old world. So yes - I am a descendant of 681 Bulgaria, even if not the 0.01% ruling elite of it.>If Austrians were nuked, Germans everywhere would take it as a bullet in the heartI mean, they probably would>I hope you did light up the candle for grandma as I didI did, she was a wonderful loving woman whose meals I'll never eat again
>>533026170Poland as a state was created in 966, when our first ruler Mieszko accepted western Roman Christanity. So, nice made-up map ruskie.
>>533026170Ukraine 10th century loooool!The oldest EUROPEAN country is PORTUGAL and the oldest in the world is Iraq if im not mistaken...
>>5330261701143 o ano em que Portugal se fez.
>>533033250We have more of a claim to turks? Brother, Bulgaria fell before Constantinople did, your liberation came after our own by decades, how can we still get flak even from you on this?Now I won't deny you're a cram of slavs, thracians, turkics and whatnot, I think it's the same thing as how Magyars share their DNA with Austria and Czechia but culturally are from the moon so to speak. I don't think you're slant eyes any more than our Turkish neighbors are to our east, but to champion their cause and hold their banner so proudly seems odd to me, like a Gallic Frenchman proud of the Franks that ravaged his people, get what I mean?
Italy is not even 200 years old just saying
>>533027483>>533033566>Gallic Frenchman proud of the Franks that ravaged his people, get what I mean?There are no Gauls in France.Julius Caesar ravaged the Gauls.The Franks came much after.
>>533033338>The oldest EUROPEAN country is PORTUGAL and the oldest in the world is IraqPortugal was founded in 1128.Iraq was founded after WWII.
>>533033566>champion their cause and hold their banner so proudlywe don't though, we're proud of the flags, causes and achievements of our forefathers, who lived in our lands, we aren't doing the whole Turkic council and larp like the Magyars are. It's not like we have Onogur-Bulgar council meetings with them. You're acting as of every Bulgarian is flaunting the horsetail flag and saying Bulgaria was actually established in 300-something and laying claim to Crimea as our ancestral capital
>>533033870Who lived in France then during the Roman rule? The franks moved into deserted land? Even today we call it Gallia, I don't believe in total ethnic exterminations happening so easily
>>533026344Based. Ukrainian are the master race.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mf8K59MeiI
>>533034004>Who lived in France then during the Roman ruleRoman slave mutts.>we call it GalliaSo fucking what?Who gives a fuck what you call it?
>>533033971The Magyars managed to impress their slaves with their language.The Bulgars didnt manage it.Hence the difference.
>>533033950Hum... Ok...I know there is a middle eastern country that has the oldest land borders...
>>533033971Think of how the Egyptians had a few Turkic rulers too with the mamluks and the tulunids. If one of these men changed the name of Egypt into Cumania, and was hailed as a Khan who broke the local rulers, and had the Faith of his Steppe ancestors and the tongue...what would we say about the Egyptians then? Would we say they're in their honeymoon, their golden age?
>>533034295>I know there is a middle eastern country that has the oldest land borders...No middle eastern country is more than 100 years old.None.
>>533034099Who are the modern French in your book, a Germanic people?
>>533033103No one calls it that except jews trying to jew-wash history and their shabbos goyim
>>533034307Egypt hasnt existed since the Bronze Age.Stop larping.>>533034360The Franks were a Germanic tribe.The French are turbomutts.
>>533027754Another episode of Turkish sperm Vs Turkish sperm. Balkan classic .
>>533034339Which is the oldest country in the world then?
>>533026344and its current borders were only established by Lenin in the 1920s. Khrushchev (himself a Hohol) transferred Crimea to them only in the 1960s as well, before that it was Russian clay.
>>533034213I'm arguing how it's completely different just for you to come and say how it's different. Good job bro>>533034307this would be the case if they had come and said "we wuz roman empire now". The Bulgars and the other peoples with them came and created something new and different, I don't see how it's an appropriate analogy. The people here were a periphery of the roman empire (an ukraine, if you will) and they were treated accordingly. They made something out of it, I don't see how the name of the state is so painful. We'd be proud even if it was called Qianxiaria or something
>>533034518Any country that claims that title is full of shit.There is no country in the world today with continuity beyond the beginning of the Industrial Age.
>>533034674>we wuz roman empire now>we wuz new byzantines nowIs exactly what the Bulgars did.
>>533034674Well frankly there were attempts to seize Byzantium, no? Bulgarians and the Serbs alike played pretender to the throne
>>533034518China is the oldest contiguous state and civilization in the world. Egypt and Babylonia got culturally wiped out by the Arabs but a Chinese state ruled by Chinese people speaking their own language and practicing their own culture has existed for like 4000 years.
>>533026170Denmark was a thing in the 500s, the unified kingdom is from the 800s
>>533034821>Chinese state ruled by Chinese people speaking their own language and practicing their own culture has existed for like 4000 years.Just 80 years ago China was ruled by Manchus.Before then it was ruled by Mongols.This China you speak of hasnt existed for 800 years.
>>533035033Chinamen did some judo moves on the manchurians, they were classified as extinct even during the Qing empire kek
>>533035118Lol.Chinamen had the cuck hairstyle just 80 years ago.Shut the fuck up.
>>533035240They gave them a haircut, and now no one speaks or identifies as manchurian anymore
>>533026170>Italy 204 BBC despite unifying in the 19th century>Romania 1848 despite being a union between older nations.Kek
>>533035349Thats what happens to pastoralists that conquer agriculturalists.Only your retards in Anatolia identify with their Mongol and Arab conquerors.
>>533026170Technically Sweden has been around since around 500, or at least the idea and the start of a united Swedish kingdom sprung to life. It depends on what you call a country or not. But if you're talking about what made it what it is today, 13th century isn't correct either. What is Sweden today wasn't created until 1523 when Gustav Vasa was crowned as the king of Sweden. During the 15th century it was basically a vassal state of Denmark during the Kalmarunionen.
>>533026170How old is The Russian Federation?
>>533035240i recently had some chink on /pol/ blaming british for their opioid problem while manchus were the only ones who banned opium in china while chinks kept doing it and trading with british which eventually led to opium wars when manchu started seriously cracking down on opium trade after like 100 years of treating the ban lightlyhe now belives the guys who enslaved them represent han chinese
>>5330356151648 is the birth of the nation state.You cant date any nation state beyond 1648.After the fall of Rome it was only in the 800s to 900s that rehabilitation became possible.Hence why almost all states date their tribal origins to that time.
>>533026170This is all wrong. What retard made it?
>>533035621russian federation and russian tsardom is the same thing with different political organisation but the name and everything is the same so its the same entityso since ivan the terrible in XVI century
>>533035736Iranians and Chinks are masters of revisionism.You have retards here that truly believe Iran and China are old and continuous.While Persia hasnt been ruled by Persians since Alexander.And China wasnt ruled by Chinks for a whole millenium before the CCP.
>>533034821Babylonia which is by name hinting at this because its late stage mesopotamia was always subdued by rapefugees
>>533026170The reason Putin hasn't carpet bombed ukraine, kiev specifically, is because russian history begins there. It's just autism over who owns what now
>>533035740but if the kingdom is named the same as later nation state and is made of same people its same thing with different political system
>>533034791there haven't been attempts to assume the Byzantine identity, to conquer - yes. Simeon and Kaloyan both called themselves "ruler of Bulgarians and Romans" after their conquests
>>533035938>russian history begins there. It's just autism over who owns what nowRussian history begins in a Viking camp in Murmansk and Novgorod.Kiev was conquered by the Rus later.It was called Konugrgard [Kings City] by the Rus.Its only called Kiev by the Slavs.
>>533035963Tribally yeah.Institutionally? No.There is no political institution today with more than 50 years of history.In its modern aspects at least.
>>533026170>nobility/heraldry>countryNigger, I think you're being stupid beyond the norm
>>533035740>You cant date any nation state beyond 1648.I'm not entirely sure what you mean with this sentence.
>>533036152yea but if you reorganize your company and name stays the same its still the same company despite operating differently
>>533033870>Julius Caesar ravaged the Gauls.Please spare us your vibe history. There were an estimated 8 million Gauls by the end of Caesar's conquest, making it one of the most populated provinces of the Roman Empire. France has always had a predominantly Celtic substrate mixed with Germanic settlers going back to the 3rd century AD. That's why medieval Frenchmen looked like pic related while you are a brown Mozarab.
>>533036219Every state beyond 1648 is clergical-dynastical.It was only after 1648 and the 30 years war that states thought of themselves as the representatives of a people, language and political leaning.Prior feudal states were exclusively religious-dynastical.Which means you owed allegiance to your ruling dinasty and your king.Maybe to the cuck in Rome.But not necessarily to your people-language and to your ethnic identity.
>>533036031That's the same odd thing the Ottomans did, to be the rulers of Rome while classifying someone else as Romans, namely the guys they conquered.
>>533036397>There were an estimated 8 million GaulsYou counted all of them didnt you?Nigger please. Do I need to show you the Afro-Semitic faces of Frenchmen?Frenchmen arent Gauls.Thats their larp to larp as white.
>>533026170Bitch, current Germany is from 1990.Spain is not from 1981
>>533036433Hence why Sweden didn't become a proper kingdom until 1523.
>>533034452Would you say Iran and Egypt suffer from the same syndrome of being propped up by foreigner dynasties?
>>533036653Egypt hasnt existed since 800BC when it was invaded and completely destroyed by Nubian tribes.We have modern Egypt thanks to Britain and France telling the Arabs they were not Arabs.Syrians are not Assyrians.Iraqis are not Ur Sumerians.We owe to the French and the British the birth of these nonsensical states.Same Britain and France that founded your nostalgic state.
>>533036527Cope all you want Pedro but the data from pre-Iberian enshitification doesn't lie. Just be thankful your country was founded by a French dynasty.
>>533036921>your country was founded by a French dynasty.Portugal was founded by a Burgundian noble.The Burgundians were fierce enemies of the Franks.What drugs are you on?
>>533026170>>533027457Technically Denmark was established by the seakings of Norways "Southern Isles" because Gorm the Old is Rollos brother Tore "Teiande" Ragnvaldson that changed his name in order not to anger the new king in Norway whom held his daughter hostage in marriage.Gorm-Tore reunited with his grandson who became the king of Norway after the husband of his daughter passed away.Harald Bluetooths additional byname "CVRMSVN" is also a direct reference to the Karmsund, which is what Tore's alias "Gorm" is named after. (The islands name was "Kormt" at the time)The name "Dan" originated from the Danann, because the seakings of Orkney descended in part from the Cimbri which ruled on Læsø and the little isles of Britain. A major part why Rollo also tried his luck in Normandy was because his brother Gorm/Tore already did Denmark, and his fathers standing in Norway had vanished, leaving the supplies for Orkney and accompanying islands scarce and taxed by norway.
>>533036921Nah, those were north african imports from the colonies
>>533036996A Capetian (Frankish) noble from the French duchy of Burgundy. Just quit embarrassing yourself Pedro this is getting sad.
>>533026170The Russian Federation is literally younger than Ukraine....>>533026344
>>533026170did you edit that map yourself? or you took it from retardednigger.com?
>>533026478honestly it's offensive to call what we have now (brown mafia shithole) bulgaria it has little to do with the people before year 1500
>>533037324>A Capetian (Frankish) nobleAnskarid lineage you dumb mutt swine.
>>533037503Every country in the world is brown mafia shithole by this point.
>>533027754whiter than you tho, isn't it funny
>>533036397>>533036921>>533037324Let me guess, you're a pure Germanic ubermensch.
>>533036040>Russian history begins in a Viking camp in Murmansk and Novgorod.>>533026170what babies our finnish history started in the stone age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland#History The area that is now Finland was settled in, at the latest, around 8500 BC during the Stone Age towards the end of the last glacial period. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Finland#Stone_Age The Susiluola Cave near Kristinestad in Ostrobothnia has been suggested as a possible Neanderthal settlement, potentially dating back 120,000 years to the Last Interglacial. its OVER for MIDDLEAGECELS start STONEAGEMAXXXING
>>533037507Nope you are getting confused with Spain. The founder of your country was of pure Frankish blood literally descended from a French king lmao. You are completely out of your depth here kid, take the L already.
>>533037870You dead monkey.The House of Burgundy had no connection to the Capets.Now go bury your mulatto head in your sandbox.
>>533037717so white a tenth of your country is outright muslim
>>533026170there is no 'urine' or whatever it's called. Only Russia.
>>533033121all you need to know is greeks are filthy thieves with 0 shame
>>533038040we're first world and multicutural
>>533038129What did Greeks steal?>>533038164lel
>>533037955Why are you so butthurt as to deny reality? You should be proud of it if anything.
>>533038209Because its not true.You would know if you knew his bloodline.
>>533038175water
>>533038385Which goes straight to King Robert II of France in the male line. Again, you are just trying to save face at this point.
>>533026170>Sweden>13th centuryErik Segersäll spits on you, slav.
>>533038635We stole CRETE from Bulgaria lmao
Nigger mapFrance started in 987
>>533038979>France started in 987Another illiterate.
Historians generally put the beginning of the Swedish state at around 980 with either Erik Segersäll or Olof Skötkonung. You either start there, or with Gustav Vasas rebellion against the Danish from the Kalmar Union in 1520Putting the start date at 13th century is random as fuck, even tho it could hypothetically be defended since Birger Jarl and Magnus Ladulås greatly centralized the Swedish state around that time period.
>>533026170Sicily was united much before than the 14th century, the Emirate was in the 10th century and before that it was already a political unit, get your facts straight you uncultured swine
>>533039675Sicily is insular Babboonbania.
>>533038935oy vey you gypsys
>>533026368It should have been 7th or 8th after great migrations
>>533039643>Historiansyeah man tell me more about what the people writing your jewish textbooks think
>>533038641You realize my countryman wasn't saying Caesar killed every single Gaul, right? He was telling you Gallia was fully subjugated and flooded with brown slaves, much like your country. See how nice it looks these days?
>>533039828you are southern Galicia
>>533026170Thanks rus bro
>>533026170So, our opinion is the only one that counts
>>533040589Lol.The Prostate of the Mediterranean.The Carthaginian HarlotThe Phoenician FloozyThe Hebrew WoozyThe Arabic MeretrixFuck your island terrone.
