Anti-prepper here. This isn't any type of demoralization. If you want to run and hide underground, I can't stop you. If you truly feel the world is headed over the edge, by all means, prepare yourself and make peace with others, yourself, or a higher power. Whichever, will help comfort you. However the concept of thinking you can outrun fate is largely misguided. The powers that be, largely deal in sin, which is why they have a false notion of "survival" that involves hiding underground to "wait out" the end of the world. The end of the world will come. Eventually, we ALL will have to face ALL of our fears. The truth always reveals itself. Then after death...rebirth.TLDR: bunkers and prepping alone is gay and cowardly. Capitalism is gay and cowardly. Teamwork and democracy on a small scale, always wins.
When the end comes, it will not find me hiding in the ground like a worm. It will find me gaming, for I am a gamer.
I'm also an anti prepper.I have like a half a days food in my house at all times, just to stick it to the wackos
>>533107911You can just say you're skint.
>>533107763If there was a total collapse of civilization from a nuclear war or something a bunker would only delay the occupants their eventual demise, unless they can grow their own veggies and hunt & fish enough to survive providing the environment is not destroyed, and no roving gangs of hoodlums find your garden and bunker and rape/rob everythingYeah, trying to survive a collapse of civilization is a roll of the dice with slim chances of winning
You discord spammers are really bad at this. You will bever be a woman
>>533108053Or they won't be able to get out of it because the house collapsed on it or someone parked a car over the hatch. I'd rather take my chances on the surface than risk being trapped in a hole into the ground waiting to die of dehydration.
>>533107763Who the fuck wants to live in a bunker with no pussy? If you have a wife go for it, if you don't just kill yourself lmao.The only purpose of a bunker is to hide for the first days then go outside and raid for bitches. If you plan on living underground for 5-10 years watching anime and playing video games you will kill yourself at some point lmao
>>533107763Having food and water is better than not having food and water you contrarion cunt. You are actually retarded.
>>533107763Rebirth is for things, not people.
>>533107763You are right, it's useless.Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.You can't hide from the wrath of the Almighty
>>533107763>Whichever, will help comfort you. >However the concept of thinking you can outrun fate is largely misguidedThere shouldn’t be a comma after “whichever” but should be one after “[h]owever.” “Largely” is not an accurate adverb for that sentence.You’re not as smart as you think you are.
>>533107911that'll show 'em
>>533107763Most preppers stumble when it comes to the most basic and obvious thing: you need to have good relations with your neighbours and some kind of standing to make it through a catastrophic event or series of events.They are too hyperindividualistic and anti social to last long. The idea of teaching three or four families around them to also be disaster ready is probably communism to these fat ugly fucks
>>533108053This. I fully expect people to want to protect themselves and their loved ones. That's the conceptual understanding of our biology. It's to survive. But the chances would be so astronomically low because a massive die off of humans also means a massive die off of Knowledge as well. 3 or 4 people in a bunker will be a nightmare, just you by yourself will be Hell on Earth. Human beings need cohabitation, as much as they need food and water. I fully expect the world's most powerful people to know this and have a contingency plan for this, so why would I be prepping? The game is rigged from the start. How we get out of this, is just simply not complying or partaking in whatever the system offers us. If you die, so be it, but my point is for individuals, while they have the time NOW, to at least try to work together with their own communities on a small scale before bending over.
>>533108322But having a year's worth of dry food and a "bug out bag" reaks of larp. You're not Jason Bourne. You're not in The Walking Dead. Also, the more practical advice is to have community. Be around people you trust, but prepers always seem spergs who believe they will rule the ashes of civilization alone.
>>533107763Thats a kwansit hut, not a bunker.
>>533107763Capitalism exists in a democracy you fucking faggot
>>533107763Telling Mark Zuckerberg and every other billionaire this right now
>>533108322How much do you plan to live inside like a rat before you blow your brains out lmao?
>>533107824fpbp.only miggers hide in bunkkkers
>>533108626And why would I do that? If I have a bunker, a rifle with plenty of ammo and there's no cops you can call my neighbor is the first one that gets it, his wife will become my wife, his daughter will become my wife ;)
>>533108404>Yes, describing a concept as "largely misguided" is a valid way to argue it is based on faulty reasoning, incorrect information, or poor judgment.I know what I said faggot.
>>533109349>>533108815>don't prepare for anything goyim just trust the government broLiterally you right now. I will fight and either win it all or lose it all but it's better than being defeatist faggots. Find your fucking nuts you fucking embarrassments.
>>533107763It's better to have an ejection seat of plane tickets to another country that's not collapsing where you can easily get permanent residency or are a citizen. The ordinary Russians that made out the best from the 90s were the scientists, engineers, etc that immediately fucked off.
>>533109095they'll get off'd by one another once their plans fall aparteven if they replace all bodyguards with robots, so the bunker is only other billionairesscarcity is intrinsic and they will find things to fight about
>>533109692I'm not defeatist your plan is to sit inside your cuck bunker and read manga on your phone that you can recharge with solar once electricity goes out lmao.
>>533109889whats part of your big plan? rioting in the street like a nigger?
>>533109710Loads of Russians and Ukrainians in Thailand. They've probably had a more enjoyable war than their less mobile countrymen.
>>533107763I will spray expanding foam in your ventilation shafts if Day Z happens and I come across your path.
>>533110083People seethe about this, but it's the truth. As a middle class person, you are in no position to "win" a collapse or civil war. Your life will only get various degrees of worse. The responsible thing is to figure out how to fuck off, and be a valued guest somewhere that's not going to hell.
>>533109889You're truly a newfag. In 2010 /pol/tards put together a contingency plan. But even that's just a backup plan for my family. I own several lands in the US and even overseas. You are just coping hard because yeah you actually are shit out of luck because you haven't received training and aren't allowed to own any guns. Actually pathetic neutered man. Get filtered you freedomless goblin freak.
>>533110073Rioting against what? The apocalypse? The plan is to sit inside a bunker until you can raid for bitches. If you bought 10 years worth of shitty non-perishable food and watch anime you're gonna kill yourself the first year.
>>533110286You're gonna sit inside a bunker till old age and fuck your ugly ass wife while your kids fuck each other? Noice.
Is this a Chinese demoralization thread? Cause op sounds like a Chinese and is gay
>>533110329>The plan is to sit inside a bunker until you can raid for bitchesso, being a nigger then
>>533108053>a bunker would only delay the occupants their eventual demiseAlso the case with a normal house in normal times. We are all eventually going to die. It is worth remembering that and doing what we can to do good for others before that certain eventuality.
The CHAD sleeping pills overdoser>Gets to spend his last moment on earth with his close ones, going through old photo albums, while chugging down a bottle of wine, and some cozy music.>Know it will be all alright and be fearless, because you have faith in god and the afterlifeThe virgin prepper>Drinks his filtered piss for months (not that bad if you're German like me but still)>WHAT WAS THAT NOISE?!>"Uhh dad, there's someone knocking on the door begging us to let him in">Water's getting low>Go out of bunker thinking he'll be some based scavenger>Gets wounded and taken prisoner day one>Last moments on earth are you watching your children and wife get raped, before being decapitated
>>533107824No respawn hard mode
I have been a full on doomsday prepper type since 2012 and I'm doing alright. I'm in my 40s. I traded my small 60s starter home in the city I scooped up during the housing crash for a farm house in the country on acreage during coof. I built a Planta greenhouse to start my seeds and I garden in a fenced in area I made with 10 raised beds. I had a laugh when I saw the greenhouse as part of a promotional prize for the prepper movie "Homestead." Oh boy. Anyway if I wanted to I could take the tractor and plow up an entire acre that I am just mowing every week and go straight to farming at scale if I wanted. I mow 4 acres a week during the warm months and have more acres of hardwoods I use for my wood stove in back. I have a barn I keep fuel/wood/ and all kinds of other tools and equipment in. I have multiple wells, including an old school pit well I worry that bitch from the ring is going to crawl out of one night. I have the ecoflow delta pros for power storage and solar panels for recharging as well old school gas gens and drums of treated non-ethanol fuel I switch out every couple years. I went out of my way to know my neighbors and their families, have their numbers, clear downed trees that fall over the road or text them when goats get loose, etc.The thing a lot of you don't get is that prepping isn't just filling a room with guns and MREs. It's really an evolution where you grow and learn things, develop skills, solve problems, until you change your whole way of life and move towards homesteading. I haven't gone fully off grid and still keep one toe in where I commute an hour to a job- but eventually some day I expect to generate my own income as well without the need for an employer.Anyway it's a lot of hard work but I could never go back to just living in the city and standing my drive way close enough to the other guy's hear I can hear when he flushes his toilet. No thanks.
>>533110329>If you bought 10 years worth of shitty non-perishable food and watch anime you're gonna kill yourself the first year.Year 15 atm what
>>533111252could do a lot just with the grass if its growing that well. chickens and goats are easy as can be and dont take much investment at all. a couple 100m of electric fence and you only have to move them once every 2-3 weeks at the most.sounds like you know what you're doing though. sounds good.
bunkers are retarded fallout fantasies. if the world truly went to shit in the way they are hoping, then a few years of resources (if you even have that) isn't going to do shit. its not like the world would have recovered by then. you will run out of energy first, something will break and you won't be able to fix it, you'll run out of food or need medicine or w/e that you won't have access to. if society truly collapses due to some global catastrophic event, you are completely fucked regardless. you're better off learning how to survive in the wild rather than living on a limited and vulnerable supply of pre-collapse resources.
>>533111751>you're better off learning how to survive in the wild rather than living on a limited and vulnerable supply of pre-collapse resources.couldnt do both i guess. the point of any prep, be it just a few months supplies in the cupboards to a full on bunker with everything for a couple years, is to try and stay alive until the initial shitshow passes and something, anything, starts to get organized for longer term reconstruction.thats all.
>>533107763Hope op likes slowly dying of cyclotron radiation when the plasma archons decide to return for their tribute.
>>533107824GG no re
>>533111214>ecause you have faith in god and the afterlifesuicide is a great sin tho
Who /raider/ gang here?
>it’s gonna be heckin mad max apocalypseNo it won’t that is fiction from television.We live in a post-civilization society already. We are ruled by petty tyrants and terrorized by roving gangs of doctors, engineers, and aspiring astronauts.People have small slices of civilization in spite of it.>but da NOOKYeah if major cities were deleted then we would become MORE civilized because the diseased biomass would die off.>they’d form militias and come git usHow? How the fuck does that even work? They walk to you? They aren’t walking 10 20 35 miles even down roads on an empty stomach.They will do what they have always done. Sit and starve, fighting anyone within 100ft of them.Bunkers are useless unless you literally think you’re going to be at ground zero for a nuke, which, if that’s the case, you’re a fucking idiot for being anywhere near a nuclear target.Starving people don’t form competent militias. Don’t figure out small unit tactics. They don’t want to take losses if they’re hungry and thirsty.Without meds or clean water, they won’t make it even a day.Let alone the time necessary to form a raiding party.What you need to survive “the end” is what you need to survive Baltimore in 2026. A gun and an IQ above 95.
>>533108269>Who the fuck wants to live in a bunker with no pussy? That's what the bunker troons are for.
>>533107763When SHTF preppers will be a raid cache for opportunists, nothing more.Most of them can't STFU about being preppers.
>>533113356Kek good luck dude. Raiders are walking lootcrates but they don't realize it until it's too late.
>>533107763prepping for some bad weather or a bombing or something is not a terrible ideaprepping for nuclear exchange or global war is pure copeno bunker yet built is rated to keep a population alive in a scorched earth scenario for longer than a couple of years
>>533113962Shut up prepper cuck. Keep prepping those goodies for us to take from you.
>>533114167I live innawoods and have been preparing for decades. I am become preparedness. I look forward to seeing you wander around into a mistake. Raiders never work out especially during shtf. Look at Bosnia. Do you even have shtf buddies? Because I do.
>>533108053if you don't roll the dice you lose
>>533108782the chances are effectively 0 if you accept the status quo and stay where you arehumans can survive without modern civilization and its accumulation of "Knowledge". other animals do just fine, our instincts/nature will carry us forward, together with the essential knowledge we will retain, God willing>my point is for individuals, while they have the time NOW, to at least try to work together with their own communitiesthis is a good idea, but we must separate from the Grid. we must form our own communities separate from the doomed system
Amerimutts love to larp about prepping because of the simple fact is that they are not used to mass organized violenceIf shtf preppers will be the easiest of targets
>>533114619Prepper cuck and friends? Oh boy! More for us to plunder.
>>533107763Tell that to Noah you demoralist dumbass.
>>533107763picrel is the correct way to do it
These threads always suck because there are too many variables around the idea of "the end of the world" and people don't even know how radiation works. Shelters also aren't always built for just for doomsday, in which case everyone is fucked and there's not much you can do about it. There are plenty of cases where shelters would be useful. There could be nuclear exchanges that aren't total. A fallout shelter could save your life. There are different kinds of radioactivity. For example the stuff at Chernobyl isn't the same as what would fall from a bomb. The stuff at Chernobyl has a very long half life but if you had a fallout shelter that blocks the radiation you may only have to shelter for a few weeks. Biological warfare is another mixed bad. Too many variables to predict. You might be able to wait out a deadly pandemic, or it could be so infectious you can't touch anything or breath near anything. Is the collapse simply economic or a disaster? Both? Disasters can last months. How widespread is it? I was down on the gulf coast during and after Katrina. That's not "the end of the world" literally, but it kind of was for a few months down there. Having some basic preparation can make all the difference. Is the world degenerating into a Mad Max state where there are no services? No police, no courts, no fuel or groceries being delivered? How long until services return? If ever?
Having food for an emergency is easy and cheaphttps://providentliving.churchofjesuschrist.org/food-storage/home-storage-center-locations-map?lang=eng
>>533117024Again, closing yourself off will seal your doom. Looks like maybe 10 people can live there comfortably 15 is pushing it. But all in all, You are one big loot crate. All a raiding party needs to do is to wait until the dead of night and send teams of 2 to each side of the island and throw a few Molotovs into the compound and it's a rap.
>>533118230Filtered iqdalit
>>533118382indeed. hate that dalit.
>>533108815>if we band togetherShut the fuck up no one is joining with you or other commie niggers
>>533109889Thats a lot of projection faggot
>>533107763most mammals that survived the chicxulub impact were burrowers. food for thought.
>bunkers won't work because GodI see you've traded one absurdity for another. Bunkers won't work long-term unless they contain a fully self-contained ecosystem for food, water, air, energy, waste removal, and other supplies. Then, assuming we're talking about a global nuclear war scenario, if you want to be productive down there, you will also need massive stockpiles of materials and machines to work them into things. So unless it's basically a fortified underground city with a nuclear power or geothermal generator, the best you'll be able to do is sit in there and wait for the Earth's surface to become hospitable again. Once all the nuclear debris has fully settled, it'll be scattered over basically everything; and if there was enough of it from all the nukes, you also get very low sun exposure, so good luck with agriculture or solar power. Or warmth. How long does it take irradiated material from nukes to run out its halflife? Fifty years? Twenty? Maybe you can send someone out in a radiation suit to do... something. Gather materials for production, I guess? Having used up most of the world's oil reserves by that point (probably), good luck restarting industrialization on any large scale. I imagine whoever was best prepared in a given region would work tirelessly to hoard and centralize all resources and infrastructure during recovery, and I seriously doubt any remaining workers would have nice things like paid vacations, unions, pensions... pay... rights... Liberalism can hardly withstand a single major supply chain disruption - localized surveillance-driven slavery will be on the menu most anywhere.
>>533107763and why would you post this drivel if it ain't your thing? start a blag, fag
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