ELON SUPPORTS UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME. Free government cheques for everyone!!
>>533300933What about universal basic pussy
>>533300933
>>533300933i would rather have a universal robot waifu slave
>>533300933So he can import jeets for his companies and put white men on the dole.
He always has. It works IF and ONLY IF we can discover methods of generating renewable resources and virtually free energy. Between that and a solid eugenics program we can colonize the cosmos.
>>533300933>there will not be inflationInflation is a feature not a bug
>>533300933*unemployment caused by mass importation of jeets by the likes of Elon himself
>>533300933ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN
>>533300956There's a bot for that. Androids with the fonest lab grown pussy organ. The alpha model femoid is obsolete.
>>533300933He is fucking right, and I've been saying this for years. No one seems to account for the class of infinite uber-efficient robot slaves that is incoming in the next 10 years. It will change fucking everything. Slavery has always been tied up in a moral quagmire until now, where we can use it to its fullest extent
>>533300956Legalize prostitution then you can buy it.
What good is free moneys without a government issued wife to share it with.
>>533300933What I find most impressive about Elon is how retarded he is.
>>533300933elon, like every other billionaires, fights tooth and nail so ALL WEALTH in the world goes to him and we get nothing. He wants us dead and off of his planet. Every proposal to enact anything resembling UBI would be met with billions of lobbying opposition.
>>533300933too bad it's never going to happen and it's just a narrative to keep people from completely turning against the system
>>533300933just like those doge checksany day now i'm sure
>>533300933So Elon, wanna just increase social security payments, reduce the age when people can claim them, roll the net present value of medicare/medicaid into SS, and fund it with taxes on AI businesses?Like is that the proposal here?
>>533301077>imagine believing thisthey're just gonna kill everyone bro
>>533300933>UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME.Is impossible at this pointWho's gonna collect garbage, clean the streets, do the plumbing, be a dentist etc.>ImmigrantsKek, what happened to "deport everybody"Also, who's gonna pay for their salaries, your free money and allNopeUntil you have robots that can keep everything clean and fix shit - no UBI
>>533301248This. The elites are noticing that the goyim are getting angry and uppity. They’re dangling the UBI carrot in front of the goyim donkeys and are gonna two more weeks us about it until we all die off from another one of their engineered plagues.
>>533300933>Yes goy, become completely dependent on gibs from the government that definitely won’t take it away to kill you This is literally a worse version of communism.
>>533301248\threadMusk will say anything to keep his stock price inflated
That's one option. Here's another. Hear me out:The rich use AI to produce vast wealth and luxury for themselves and they let us starve.Oh don't forget the best part: if we try to riot or steal from them, AI machine gun drones will turn us into a pink mist.
>>533301111Sex robots. Women are a pain in the ass and kids are the worst.
>>533301292For what purpose would they initiate mass violence? It's easier for everyone to just keep going and give everyone alive a share of the massive massive wealth surplus that the selfless robot and AI slaves create for us.
>>533301298There will always be people who will work to have a bit more than other people, and that includes those jobs.
>>533301334>Every military member ever>Why is the minimum rent in my area exactly BAH
>>533301435>give everyone alive a share of the massive massive wealthDo you honestly think any government on the planet wants to share wealth with the citizenry?
>>533300933He's supported it for a long time.
>>533300933Just saying the phrase "money supply" to a billion people is a nuclear redpill.
>>533300933The Romans had a problem. They ran a slave economy, which meant a fuckton of free labour that left a large chunk of the Roman populace unable to find work, and people who have no means of providing for themselves tend to get very restless very quickly. Their solution was to give out free grain rations to citizens and also put on various entertainments to keep them from getting bored; the famous "bread and circuses".De-facto UBI has already been tried and not only did it work, it worked for 400 years.
>>533301435There were 1.6 billion people in the year 1900. Now there are 8 billion. How many will there be in the year 2100? 25 billion? Sharing might be the "easier" option now but it's just kicking the can down the road and making it harder for their grandchildren to inherit the world from us Morlocks. They have no intention of stuffing the faces of people who, in their opinion, do nothing useful. I hope you don't think Bill Gates bought all that farmland to open a food bank.
>>533301455>I'm gonna wake up at 5 AM to collect garbage so I can have "a lil bit more than others">5 AM comes>Nah, I'll just stay homeYou're retarded if you think that any company of any kind can run on people that willy nilly decide just not to show up at work at any given timeNot to mention jobs that actually require skill and hard work like plumbing or constructionYou are a dumb Redditor
>>533300933UBI is the stepping stone to a post scarcity society
>>533300933>"Just pay yourselves your own tax money">meanwhile Elon has funneled almost a trillion dollars to himself and gets to keep it allUBI can't possibly work if it's being paid by the very people who need it (the average taxpayer). It must come from the billionaires, and there are plenty of those it turns out.
>UBIWill never work. Will never happen. Just because of what the concept of "jobs" are.AI doesn't represent some "tipping point" where the majority of humanity doesn't need to work to keep the world running. We have already reached that point long ago.The primary purpose of jobs isn't to be productive and produce goods or services. That's secondary.The primary purpose of the system is to ensure everyone in society has a place, everyone has something to do, and that resources are distributed seemingly fairly, if not arbitrarily.As soon as the unemployment rate climbs even a little bit, politicians will clamour to perform their job creation magic: expand the government, slash business taxes, increase incentives, put out contracts...And you will see the same shit you see now. Offices becoming adult daycare, crowded union construction sites, dozens of tradesman and specialists attending to one job for "compliance".Job creation is an important political skill, and it shows that value production is secondary to the primary purpose of the job system.Like I said, jobs fulfill an important psychological, biological, innate need in humans.The idea that it is possible to have every single person working a job where every waking hour is valuable and impactful is a nice little lie we tell ourselves to sleep at night. To keep up that illusion that our instinct to go our and mingle with people and achieve goals is conveniently being met by this system.The only AI might do is fracture that illusion just a bit when people look around and see the adult daycare/redundant jobsites around.But I trust the power of human delusion to make that a near non-issue.
>>533300933i quit my job in silicon valley about 2 years agosince then I've passed 2 levels of the JLPT and almost completed my mastersUBI would be great, especially as most people would use it to commit suicide
Yeah, by the time we get anything done here I will be long dead from extreme exhaustion.Besides, this civilization cycle is doomed to fall short of that, shit happens, sometimes we don't make it to Tartaria!
>oh anon by the way your UBI is suspended until you check in your local enlistment office for your deployment ;) by the way we will also suspend it from everyone you know telling them you are not doing your civic duty of being a meatbag at the front. Enjoy teehee~~
>>533300956Porn is free.
>>533300933Where's the DOGE cheques, Elon!
>>533301248This.
>>533300933>UBI or Political FranchiseNo gibs? Your vote is worth something.
Yay free money just to exist>wait a minute why are we paying these goyim just to exist?>[depopulation intensifies]
All my welfare got cancelled because I got married and was honest about it during my welfare re-application. I don't want to lie or be dishonest. It was about 290 USD a week as I am unemployed (have been employed for the majority of my adult life).If I either never got married, or just lied, this would not have happened. What is the point of a targeted welfare system if it requires either lying or self sabotage in order to utilise correctly? I don't care, I rather be punished for telling the truth than lie for material rewards. Evil world tho>inb4 just lie bro!
>>533300933>FreeSo who's paying for it?
>>533300933The future is more likely to turn into a Cyberpunk capitalist dystopia rather than post-scarcity.
>>533301330If I get UBI, I will not longer post hate speech
I think a federal jobs guarantee program should be attempted first. Not really convinced AI is ready for prime time on the goods and services front.
>>533301085It's already legal in Nevada. Shit like tinder is basically legal prostitution already, and some of those bitches will fuck anything that moves.
>>533302213prostitution is only legal in very few nevada counties. and not in Las Vegas
By the wat, I pretty much get UBI now with my NEET bux. My main cheque plus all the other money I get adds up to about 1300 a month.
>>533300933Realistically if we each get a cut of the next big thing how is it any different from gulf state citizens sharing the benefits of oil wealth?
>>533300933wagecels are seething
>>533301794At the federal level, taxation does not fund anything. The federal government issues new money every time it spends. When taxes are collected, the money is destroyed. The federal government doesn't need to collect revenue in order to spend.
>>533302263Just film it and say it's porn. Both porn and prostitution pay whores for sex, only one is illegal for some strange reason.
>>533302175How about a regular capitalist dystopia?
>>533300933he's right, its why we need to deport as many people as possible
>>533302053Tataria is the underworld and you're in it.
>>5333020792d girls aren't real. This is the greatest inherent justice of our reality
>>533301248Yeah, only happen after the purges limit the numbers.
>>533300933>>533301031>ELON SUPPORTS UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOMEso does that mean he'll start paying his taxes or nah?
>>533302390if hes right, then why do we need to deport anyone? or do you not know what "excess" means?
>>533301649If you want to make rent on your nice high end garbageman condo or pay the mortgage or taxes on your fancy house, then you'll show up at work, while NEETs stay comfy in their 1 bedroom roach infested hovel. It's already how capitalism works, I don't think UBI would upset that order too much. >Not to mention jobs that actually require skill and hard work like plumbing or constructionYeah, and people do those already because they pay a lot of money. Those same people would still do it with UBI.
UBI is inventible but it will come in the form of a digital currency that expires at the end of the month.
>>533302325>The federal government doesn't need to collect revenue in order to spend.the interesting thing about this is that /pol/ understands this concept perfectly when china does it but then acts like its incoherent mysticism when american does it
>>533300933yeah bro let's just give the billionaires more money for AI development and the wealth will trickle down
>>533301292This is the reality
>>533301298>Is impossible at this pointNo, it's inevitable at this point.Within five years AI is going to wipe out so many jobs that it will literally crash the world economy.Sure, there will always be shit jobs needing doing that an ai or robot just can't do, but the world doesn't need twenty billion janitors and gas station jockeys.
>>533300933AI wont take any jobs, but the illlegal and legal immigrants willl continue to take jobsAlso universal basic income means that the entire globe will invade your country for free gibs
>>533302566I think the primary difference is that the US gears its spending towards maintaining its rentier, financialized economi system and the military to impose it, rather than productive infrastructure. Which is why China trends towards deflationary pressure, rather than inflationary.But any country that is monetarily sovereign spends in the same way.
>>533300933People whine about UBI being such a betrayal of free market capitalism, as if the system hasn't been upended by diabolical corporations for generations now, especially so in the past 10 years. Also a good chunk of the money flow that would exist in UBI is already flowing right now through numerous badly managed welfare programs.
>>533300933history says otherwise, whomever control IA/robots will want more power no less, if elites can control humans with robots they will do without hesitation
>>533302540>Yeah, and people do those already because they pay a lot of money. Those same people would still do it with UBI.Those same people will retire one day, change lanes or whatever and the new ones won't have an incentive because they'll be trying to become major podcasters.It's very simple, especially the first part which is just basic math but you failed it because you're a retarded Redditor
>>533300933What else are you supposed to do with the growing masses of unemployed?It's not even about AI, the economy has been fake since the 2009 crash. Growth has been driven by unprecedented money printing.You can't have a job market system based on 19th century conditions of early industrial society and brow beat people that they need to pull themselves up by their boot straps forever. This shit is just done and everyone except deluded boomers senses it.
>>533301292THIS IS THE REAL TRUTHI AM SO SCAREDI AM SO SCAREDI AM SO SCAREDI AM SO SCAREDI AM SO SCARED
>>533301334How is it communism?
>>533301077The only thing he is 'right' about is that AI will help with production of goods and services, but the current AI system is too unreliable, so we are few decades away from true AI. His idea that if we give money to everyone because robots are working for them is just plain stupid, the rich fags will just play the system to fuck over the majority.
>>533301354THIS IS THE REAL TRUTHI AM SO SCARED I AM SO SCAREDI AM SO SCARED I AM SO SCARED
>>533300933Universal high income is an oxymoron.
>>533300933I can't think of a worse plan than UBI to justify mass genocides, or you'll have to mentally subdue everyone en masse, pretending like you can just toss out everything about human behaviors and psychology while adopting such risky economic plans.
>ai/robotics will produce goods far in excess of the increase in the money supply Source heavily needed here. Our automation efforts have been flagging. We can't even get a proper power grid going for these things, and as far as I can tell, America has gutted its ability to actually produce the number of academics you need to produce robotics, maintain them, and innovate them to the point where their lifetime output outpaces the initial investment, all to a scale where everyone just sits on their ass all day.
>>533301794>elon musk has 1 trillion liquid dollars he has funelled to himself
>>533301610>How many will there be in the year 2100? 25 billion? Probably like 5 billion. Birth rates are crashing.
>>533300933No, remove fucking INCOME TAX from working people.
>>533300933Would be cool, but I don't see him giving me any checks yet.
>>533303051In the Soviet Union, each citizen was guaranteed an apartment, hospital care, and a food voucher so long as they worked. This is objectively a worse version of that as your UBI is going to get eaten up by price increases while the government takes that shit away freely.
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>>533302899>Those same people will retire one day, change lanes or whatever and the new ones won't have an incentive because they'll be trying to become major podcasters.I fail to see how that's any different from what we already have. There's already constant news about trade worker shortages. Your problem is with podcasting, not UBI. Let's not forget the widespread availability of credit too. How about we fix that instead? There's a billion ways they could fix this system, UBI is one of them, but that's assuming there's a willingness to fix it and the people in charge are not just looking for ways to perpetuate a shit system and destroy your country.
>>533300933>the left figureheads and right figureheads begin to agree on controlling the populationBleak.
>>533300933On what will you spend your Musk Bucks anon?
>>533303291Why do you think you'd no longer have the option to work and make money/spend money where you please?Do you know what communism is?
>>533301019According to him you'll receive one. Or two if needed. And an artificial womb down the road.
>>533300933>unemployment causes by AIwhat fucking jobs has AI taken other than maybe a few thousand customer help-desk ones that were probably outsourced to india already anyway.you can't blame fucking 20 million lost jobs on AI.
>>533300933>heres your $1500 UBI check.>rent is still $2300.
>>533301292ThisWhat happened to the horses after automobiles were adopted ?>Population Shift: In the U.S., the number of horses and mules dropped from a peak of around 26 million in 1915 to just 3 million by 1960.They aren't going to keep the usless masses around just to feed them. We are all going to the glue factory.
>>533300933issued by AI, AI would have a system the determines trust, planning and pure information to handle value post AI unemployment
>>533300933I've worked for the 1% for several years in the Florida, they don't really think of the 99% as human I think it is more likely they'll keep a small portion of the 99% alive for some services that will be hard for robotics and just kill off the rest of the 99%. They barely want to pay people livable wages as it is what makes you think they'll make every millionaires in some post scarcity utopia?
>>533301900maybe but it would have to be private, basically a monster AI system that could take multiple companies and create some algo to get them to work in unison towards unified goals absent of money
>>533301288Beat me to it. I'm still waiting for a DOGE check. And, AI is here, but prices are going up, not down.I appreciate Mr. Elon, but he loses my respect when he isn't man-enough to denounce Netanyahu and his evil, bloodthirsty ways.
>>533300933>Let's just become a giant fucking welfare state. Yeah! And the price and amount of goods and services will be determined solely by the people who we all now depend on. I'm sure they won't take advantage of that or anything. I mean everyone knows jews are such kind and great people.
>>533301077The market has already solved it and everyone who matters already has free income. If you do not qualify you will be pruned.
>>533302187>If I get UBI, I will not longer post hate speechthis. I will be a good boy.
>>533303806You didn't read. He said the AI and robots will take your job anyways and that they will produce more than the costs of goods.
>>533303833You are destined for the pod and to eat the bugs.
>>533300933so uh sure americans get this but what about everyone else?kek...
>>533303806Or like fight against your interest and don't accept the free money. No one cares about you so do whatever you think is best for you, since no one will care if you suffer and beg for free money later but fought hard to not get it.
>>533303850I read it just fine. How do you expect to live a comfortable life with your UBI if shlomo and the rest of the gang are fleecing you for 90%+ of what they're giving you. You're just on life support at that point.
>>533303910Guess you doubt AI and robotics then.
>>533303897You're a fucking idiot. You are destined for chains. You moo and oink for your own total financial enslavement.
>>533303654THIS IS SO TRUEIT IS TIME TO REVOLTI AM SO SCAREDI AM SO SCAREDTHEY ARE GOING TO KILL US ALLTHEY ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL I AM SO SCARED I AM SO SCARED I AM SO SCARED
>>533300933UBI. But you have to get permanently castrated.
UBI will likely be an inevitability once AI is actually capable of replacing everyone. What I worry about is the in between period where AI is crushing the job market and there is no safety net for those who can't find work anywhere, sorta feels like were already beginning to feel that squeeze.
>>533303712Yup the is the exact fundamental truth.How are they going to kill off 99% of humans?Well I don't know. But that is what they are going to do.
>>533300933How about some subsidized manufacturing jobs programs?Lets make robots or whatever.
>>533303926If you think the elite will let you live a nice comfortable cozy lifestyle with the advent of AI I have a nice luxurious beach front property in west virginia to sell you. The first thing they will try to do if AI gets advanced enough to usher in your fantasies is enslave your ass instead. Mark my words. Only a fucking idiot would look up to psychopaths for salvation.
>>533302946This post is smarter than most.I like it. Mostly talking about the image, but the post is fine too.
>>533300933Yeah lets just give retards free money, good idea
>>533303946Lol, says the one who doesn't want UBI and will be enslaved. All you have is namecalling and midwit aggression as arguments. Not worth my time.
Buy muni bonds with tax free yield. Buy enough that they pay you a multiple of the median family income.There you bought a UBI from the government through your labor.
>>533304018You act like you have a choice. At least one of the wealthiest is offering something.
>>533303810You people are completely fucking schizo retarded LMFAOBy the way this is currently the worst post on this entire board. And does nothing but show the type of people who still use 4chan
>>533302169The people who own the robots/ai dumdum
>>533304036You squeal for neetbux without realizing that it's the noose they're going to hang you with. I can only hope god takes pity on you and eases your burdens.
>>533303910This isn't even like anything coherent. What exactly is this anon trying to say HAHAHAHAHA
>>533303712I don’t think of around 50% of humanity as human. A strong middle class = a high trust society that is good to live in.If the 1% was smart, they would see the value of a racial high trust society. It would be better for every single strata of society. Even if they have less wealth.
>>533303810>>533304044>>533304070When all your income comes from tax free bonds. Your income for means tested welfare is zero. You're welcome.
>>533303946I'M SO SCAREDI'M GOING TO BE OUT INTO CHAINSI'M SO SCAREDTHEY'RE GOING TO PUT ME IN CHAINSI'M SO SCAREDI'M GOING TO BE PUT INTO CHAINS
>>533304067The choice is to live off grid you fucking moron. God what is with you fucking creatures that compelled you to act so fer ently against your own interests?
>>533304093You refer to God but don't follow him. He doesn't listen to you right? Don't come at me with your holier than though bullshit. I know from how you speak God would not choose you over me. You aren't convincing anyone to not accept what's effectively a universal tax cut.
Cool, can we make it real already or what? How long is it taking?
>>533304018You are a deluded schizo who os filled with nothing but fear.
>>533304070If you have 25 million dollars invested in stocks your money makes money for you. If you dont, you are not a living being. That's the system you signed up for.
>>533304153Yeah yeah whatever you parasite. The kikes will gives you millions of free unearned neetbux any second now. And they'll give you all the tendies and soda you want. God you're so fucking dumb lmao.
>>533304151Oh you're one of those guys. Lol, do you. Not all of us can live innawoods and if you did why would you complain about UBI and free checks every month while you're being a loner out there? Why do you care what the rest of society does when you are already checked out?
>>533304151You're living off grid right now right.Why are you using 4chan and wasting your time here?
>>533304157give it another 6-7 years i'd say.
>>533304175They already do this with rent seekers. There's already an established pattern. Why do you insist on pretending not to know things?
>>533304203This man ain't a true Christian. Damn shame sincs God will judge him poorly. Yes, Jesus taught us, condemn the poor, live innawoods. LOL
>>533304151You're not going anywhere
>>533301077The rich are going to kill everyone under them you retard there is literally no reasons to keep them alive
>>533304220I'm not living off the grid for the same reason you're not current receiving UBI. Is there no limit to how retarded you can be?
>>533303980We're definitely already in that inbetween era.What they have can't replace trades and such, but if they unleashed what they have at full power it would destroy every desk job, mental job, media job, etc, overnight and instantly crash the economy hard.They can't just do that, they still need people to build their data centers and maintain shit, and revolutions tend to be bad for business when its your head the masses want to put on the guillotine.So they have to roll it out gradually.
>>533300933I can't believe it comes down to Musk to be sounding the horn and not to Legislative bodies getting fatter in gov't. I guess those faggots are so detached from reality that they think everyone lives on their level. What exactly do those faggots think will happen when overnight (within few months to a year) 50% of population is unemployed and unemployable due to lacking new skills and experience? these fat faggots and their children will be raped and murdered in their own mansions. they should have started implementing UBI infrastructure about 5 years ago and not wait for shit to hit the fan then start to scramble.
>>533304294THISthe 1%Are going to kill the 99%Of all humansThis is what is going to happenI AM SO SCAREDI AM SO SCAREDI AM SO SCAREDI AM SO SCARED
>>533300933I mean he's right that this will become necessary because humans won't be able to compete with specialized AI + automation in the future and the "elites" likely won't want to risk a rebellion against mass unemployment.
>>533300956Your mom?
>>533304356The designating shitting street is the other way, rajesh
>>533304151the government could just as easily facilitate that with a new homestead act and tax credits/subsidies for the materials and equipment you might need.
>>533300933When is he releasing the Tesla branded AI cunny robotsWe all know he's making good use of the prototype
>>533301330Maybe the elites have too much fucking free time and are always miserable despite being rich
>>533301292Yes
>>533304358Rebellion is the other option, but normies are too scared and comfortable to do any of that.
>>533300933As a NEET that doesn't ever want to be a wageslave, I agree with him.
>>533304371You tell me the exact plan for1% of total humansAre going to kill99% of humansPlease. 1 coherent thought from you and I will applaud you.Please tell me how 1% of humans will kill 99%.
why would the jews care about paying us if the robots do all the work?
>>533304018I don't need beach front property.I just don't want to sell my time and body for poverty wages anymore just to make a megacorp even richer.I'm tired, and getting too old for this shit.
>>533304358If they aren't going to rebel now they won't rebel when that time comes either. They will be slowly corraled into the plantation until each person is given just enough to live and soon enough everyone will forget what life used to be like. Everyone will live in concrete hives and the process will be complete.
>>533304371Maybe God should "ease your burden" instead. You seem angered easily. Very non-Christian.
>>533303712They were always jealous of middle class because middle class had freedom, real friendship, constant activities etc. no ritual shit or business relationships everywhere.Riches are going to shit their pants when they see Makelele and his 20 friends jumping over their fences kek, already happened with Tom cruise
>>533300933And who'll pay for it?billionares?BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>533304294It's easier to keep us alive than it is to kill us at that point. The whole capitalist economy will just be a fake game everyone plays just to go through the motions by then anyway. If you don't play, you'll still be given enough to live and participate, because even the selfish billionaires still want to keep up something that resembles an economic system
>>533304465>MY WEIRD FEAR FANTASY IS ACTUALLY REALITY>I'M THE MAIN CHARACTER>THEY ARE OUT TO GET ME
>>533304109The riches genes were ruined by jews. Jewish women can be rich but feel threatened by the white women that are poorer than them so they want to remove competition from their rich husbands as much as possible. If rich men were real men they would want the world to be full of hot women
>>533304438SAAAAR WHY DID YOU REDEEM ITI TOLD YOU NOT TO REDEEM IT YOU BLOODY BASTARD BITCH
>>533301292Revolution is necessary
>>533304522No answer?
>>533304459Trolling outside of /b/ is a bannable offence btw.
>>533300933UBI trials failed in homogenous Finland. No way it succeeds in the multiracial hellhole that is the US.
>>533304522You're the faggot loser who thinks that 99% of humans cannot defend themselves against 1% of humans lmfao
>>533304545SAAAAAAAR DON'T REDEEEEEEEEEEM
>>533304581WHY DID YOU REDEEM IT YOU MOTHER FUCK YOU
>>533304580Was Finland implementing forms of AI and robotics to replace workers at the same time as a UBI rollout?
>>533301077You cant even run games at 4k 60fps without fake frames and fake resolution, you think we're gonna get super robot slaves? They're snake oil salesmen.
>>533304580why did it fail?
>>533300956best I can do is universal basic bussy (UBB)
>>533300933UBI used to be the crux of his lolbert platform before he cucked to rightoidism>>533304580source? everything I read shows remarkable success
>>533304538Try convincing normies to go against what will be an autonomous robot army by then. The time to act against it all would be now before they can even realize that dream, but people are more hyped about using AI for a 0.1% productivity boost at work if it is even that than stopping AI and robots taking over. It is what it is. You and the other dudes can try, but probably just be unsuccessful due to how billionaire captured our government is. At least for now. :)
>>533304642You don't think giving people free shit forever could possibly go wrong?
>>533304664What is the point of technological progress again?We create machines that increase our productivity...Just so we get the opportunity to work more and more?
>>533300933so the kremlin agent and conman who's father was just in moscow is a commie?shocked.
>>533304664You're more concerned about not giving people free shit than about "billionaires will kill us all", get outta here lol
>>533304635It's only a matter of time. We already have the mind part, now we just have to make the body
>>533304109>I don’t think of around 50% of humanity as human.I mean I don't consider groups like pajeets properly human so I can agree around 40-50% aren't proper human.>>533304487I don't believe it to be jealousy it is more of a superiority complex they develop, they feel themselves above everyone else doesn't matter how they got to be 1% but the vast majority of them develop this superiority complex and I think they wanted to get rid of the vast majority of the underclasses for a long time.
>>533304664aaah you're the jealous boomer type. >I had to work 9-5 every day cleaning toilets and so should everyone else. tell me why UBI failed in Finland.
>>533300933>overpromise>underdeliver classic psyop. comfortably slide into technocracy goy
>>533300933that will never happen, they will rather kill billions through famine, wars, economic crisis etc than to give every person 1200-1500 monthly until they die, also you will need to raise taxes for corporations and rich fags to finance it, it will cost USA 500 billion monthly to give every american 1500, but with 1500 monthly you will under a bridge in most places in USA >>533301248yeah
>>533304740Weirdly a lot of people genuinely seem to think that.The argument is always "sure it will replace those jobs, but it will also create new, better paying jobs!"The goal of technology in the work place always and only has one purpose: to increase efficiency, and by proxy, profits.Humans are inefficient.If the new jobs the tech is replacing required just as many people getting paid the same amount or more, there wouldn't be any point.To say nothing of the issue of trying to teach cletus who lost his farming job how to make micro chips, it's simply not going to happen.
>>533300933Yassssssssss Elon, you know what's up. Save us just like what you did with DOGE!
>>533301974This. I'd learn and do all sorts of shit. Most folks would mouse utopia or trap themselves in a goon cave.
>>533305028famine today will not be like it was in the last century where people had moral compass. Rich zones will get swarmed at the end of week 1.
>>533304200>83k a month on a 4% annual returnyou can cut that by a factor of 10 and still live in luxury, not sure why you went with 25k
>AIDoesn't exist. LLMs are shit.>roboticsNah, niche use cases. Standardized cargo containers and supersized cargo ships and port expansions did more to increase global productivity than robot arms assembling cars ever did. We're not going to have robot maids, that's retarded.Elon is the perfect example of dunning-kreuger.
>>533300933>you will own nothing and you'll be happyI'm glad I got to have a house before this became nonviable knowing the government they'll probably ban home ownership or just demolish all homes to build apartments
>>533301031Or they can just genocide a bunch of goyslaves which I am pretty sure is part of their plan.
>>533301023Automation would essentially end mass immigration forever
>>533300933I support universal basic inflation.
>>533301085It will cost a good bit, once UBI gets going.The price for pussy has always been around a day's wage for their target audience, expect it to go up accordingly.
>>533302325>>533302566unreal that I've found another person that actually understands how the federal budget workshow are most people so stupid they think government budgets are identical to family budgets
>>533301031>>533304070You are like the turkey who thinks people care for him. You come from a culture where nothing bad has happened for too long. Society is a thin layer on top of violence, all welfare is tolerated partly because of a belief in higher wage slave efficiency and partly because of past violence. But with AI surveillance, brainwashing and robots everywhere that can police you ad hoc, there can not be a revolution, rarely individual violence. I'd argue a revolution is impossible for years already, all recent ones were made by rich factions.So: How do you defend your UBI against this class of AI & robot owners? What do you bring to the table?
>>533301031Fanboi, why would humans colonize the cosmos? Even the rich are not going to do that. Simply because AI with robots and bio labs for designer organisms is a million times better. "We" lose against, it reaches planets faster, secures them faster and better. Zero chance.
>>533304218>if it doesn't effect you why does it existing piss you off so muchis the ultimate armor piercing question
>>533300933>Free government chequesso Elon will not pay for it from own pocket? surprised he support it, makes room for lowering wage
So people pay each other's income via taxes through governments. Taxes that the rich won't pay themselves. Fuck these assholes!
>>533300933>will produce
>>533300956>your government mandated gf, sir
>>533300933>We have no work force we have to import indians>Here is your check for doing nothing btw
>>533302213>Shit like tinder is basically legal prostitution already, and some of those bitches will fuck anything that movesFor Chad only
>>533301077You can not simply define economic pressure to not exist, it is a fundamental property of reality, isolating against it is hard, and requires negotiation power. How to do that with the AI grid brainwashing and surveilling everyone? People are falling for bullshit easily, most already parrot ChatGPT curated opinion since 2024.An example of the near future, just for you. AI factories must release designer organisms into the wild, it is inevitable due to the high ROI of doing so. Bacteria and viruses first. The biosphere will become unlivable to humans within your child's lifetime. So your children will have to pay for gene therapy, and the only thing they still bring to the table for some time is their bodies. So they will have to sign up to be experimented on by AI, so that AI can design better bio bots for itself. You still live in a society where you held the threat of violence, giving your groups negotiation power. That is not true anymore in an AI surveillance grid with robots.
>>533304200If you have 25 millions you have more than enough for life already why bother investing. Rich faggots always "want more" I swear
>>533308419Exactly, Miguel. They lie left and right as they see fit, and people are stupid enough to believe such obvious double think. The whole voting and corporate capital system leads to lying psychopaths in power. And our curated alternatives, like communism or national socialism, also lead to psychos in power, just with slightly different needs, control freaks and sadists instead of hoarders.
ELON IS A LOW-T JEWISH KEK NO MATTER HOW HARD HE TRIES TO BE ARYANTRUMP WILL EXECUTE HIM LIKE THE STUPID RHODESIAN CUKC HE IS
>>533308660Because they are mostly hoarders. They can not stop. And because it is so easy to become more rich once you are. The consultants tell you to fear the inflation tax of the government. It is rare that someone escapes this matrix. Becoming rich is slightly correlated with intelligence, but not so much that rich people are frequently capable of insight. Who of the rich spoke ten languages before puberty? Every smaller town has a kid that does, it's not even a very rare intelligence level. And even then, the hoarding need overrides it easily. Once a man capable of empathy goes beyond several million, he starts to give, and doesn't become more rich. The ones that acquire more wealth are not capable of empathy, or think they are the ones who can do things best, which leads to Trump Jesus AI slop posts.
>>533300933>prizes go up because golems no longer slave away like retardsit will not come how you think it will come. it will be so retarded that its funny but not really.like synthetic drones up your assholes so you dont run amok retarded.you seem to have mistyped the captcha, but i was so sure it was the right one you piece o shit robot.
>>533301292I don’t think you understand how this works. The more secure we are the lower our birthrate. They have zero reason to kill us because we’ll just stop reproducing when we have a perfect slave class to produce everything we need. Within, say, 75 years most of us will already be dead and there won’t be kids to replace us. The majority of the population may just naturally disappear. Worst case scenario they may restrict reproduction via licensing it and even that is unnecessary. In short, a massive population decline is inevitable. With zero culling required. Top that off with eventual space colonies splitting the population up and individual nations aren’t going to have that many humans a century or two from now.
>>533300933Bitch please i would be perfectly happy with universal low income thats on par with minimum wage.. just so i don't have to wagecuck anymore and i would be happy
>>533300933also elon is about to be a trillionaire, there will never be enough money for UBI to go around as longas the top 1% hoards 90% of all moneyso i'm not sure if he understands what it is he is supporting
>>533308966yea secure, obviously the entire west is AT WAR with itself and this is why NOBODY makes babies on the plantation.constant terror from all sides.the birthrates are fucking fake the babies come from imports who soon stop reproducing because the west has become inhumane.there is no coming back from this.
>>533301031It works IF and ONLY IF someone is willing to pay you for doing nothing. Who the fuck would? Elon Musk? Somehow, I doubt he's willing to contribute a single cent to his own idea
>>533308966I work in real estate for the uber rich (shitposting from an extremely boring regulatory meeting right now). Their disdain for other people is quite something. They hide it, but sometimes I overhear it, and I can feel it all the time. These are not normal people, it's all more or less Sam Altman types I work with, and I have worked for more than a hundred. I am pretty sure that when they can get away with podding, they will all join to do it.
THERE IS NO COMING BACK FROM THIS ELITE BITCHNIGGERS ARE FLAILING GIBSME MORE SLAVESBUT THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLANET IS FLEECED WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT YOU RETARDS.
>>533309425import more muslims like you do in germany
>>533309425Build more robots obviously, to fight the other elites. The resources come from what we had, the land, the water, the food, the body integrity.
He's right but they also could just send all that money to Israel and then keep some for themselves so that's what will actually happen
>>533303051This is the basic mechanism OF communism. Everyone has the same notes used to procure their needs. We use bank notes called dollars, but the difference between them and communist "vouchers" or "credits" blurs very quickly when they are the universal exchange note given by government for you to collect your survival resources.By eliminating work, we become less free as we turn to the government to take care of us. If you are a ward of the state, you no longer have privacy or freedom FROM the state. (Free healthcare means my neighbor's diet is my business now. Free housing means everyone else decides where you live.)
>>533309454i allready said what happens next, retard.
>>533304642The basic income reportedly improved the recipient's self-reported well-being and quality of life, but didn't increase their employment rate, which was why the experiment was scrapped. I have no idea what they thought was going to happen.
>>533300933UBI is how they fuck you over completely. With it you become totally dependent on them and their whims. And the system likely becomes such that you cannot work and have UBI at the same time, with likely cooldowns between obtaining one or the other or whatever the fuck. Basically, you will own nothing and be happy. That means getting government handouts to use 75% of them on rent, 24% on food, and the remaining 1% of pocket change for bubble gum cause you'll have fuck left remaining.
>>533300933And then the prices of everything skyrocketed.
>>533300956>universal basic pussyVisit your local pub or just peruse social media. Lots of universally basic pussy attached to universally basic women to be found.
>>533309772As opposed to how things are now, right?
>>533308966>massive population decline is inevitable>with zero culling requiredWell, that is the culling. Also I have no idea why you think they won't accelerate it
>>533300956Solved by genetically engineered catgirls.
>>533308422The top 1% of men are fucking and breeding all 100% of women that is why the schools are filled with siblings.
>>533309673>Free housing means everyone else decides where you live.)The AIs aligned to certain interests decide where you live.>>533309720Doesn't transfer to the situation we have right now, where employment rapidly becomes impossible. All the AI companies stated they want to extinguish loans-based entrepreneurship this decade, replacing it with automated entrepreneurship for the rich. I bet there are several hundred startups right now which want to become the new default platform for this.
>>533300933ubi is the most childish idea to ever be considered in real politics.
>>533309830Yes. It would go up a lot more. Rent would increase 20-30% overnight, at least. Prices of every fucking thing would rise. It's simple supply and demand. If you gave everyone a million dollars a month, a candy bar would cost 10k.
>>533308966>I don’t think you understand how this worksYou don't either 4chan /pol/ anon LMFAO
>>533310000This is going to happen regardless
>>533300933Why do people hate this guy again? He's one of the few billionaires that actually supports and promotes UBI quite hard.The other ones would rather live in a bunker while the useless eaters are killing each other outside for a can of tuna.
>>533301031fusion energy is close, they just don't want you to know it before the big ones secure the necessary resources.they still don't want 6/7 of humanity around when that happens though
>>533300933I support it but the elites would rather kill all the poor before giving them money
>>533309760>Basically, you will own nothing and be happyI already own nothing except if I don't wageslave I can also become homeless and freeze to death the first winter.UBI provides a safety net
>>533310000>Rent would increase 20-30% overnight, at least.>New competitors join the market, demand less, still have a good margin. Dominate the market. More housing gets built on top of that. Everybody wins.Your lack of faith in the invisible hand is concerning.
>>533304438>Please tell me how 1% of humans will kill 99%.they're literally doing it right now. Your field of vision is so narrow that you need to see nukes or soldiers razing cities to accept the fact that depopulation is underway. If you aren't baiting then you're a retarded pooloo
>>533310124Those eligible for UBI already have it. But I do not. What power will be stopping me from trying to get your part of the UBI? The economic setup will make it statistically impossible to obtain something of value, of course. Big automated corporations will fill every niche there is automatically. And the extreme regulation to prevent severe incidents. But then several billion have idle hands, which will be recognized by elites as inherently dangerous, even with total surveillance, and every waifu household bot being the police anyways.
gov issued teen sex slave pussy?
>>533301031Human-machine convergence will happen before eugenics can matter
>>533300956/thread
>>533300933how much does he pay his employees again
>>533310427Your government, along with every other government in the West, has signed contracts to confine people to ever smaller housing.It is one of the major goals of rich people to economically incarcerate the poor in small spaces, and since the 70s, green ideology is the major vehicle to silence people each time the ropes are tightened.
>>5333102467.1 billion people don't just die easy like in the movies
>>533301031flibe.comgreenarrays.comtesla turbinehek stirling engine burning hydrogen dymaxion caror fucking rotary engine burngin hydrogenlet me be king and life b fun
>>533300933>By making you the customer in the data-farming app X which offers you a carbon-credit and social-credit score, and track you permanently for the rest of your life.
>>533301031Isn't that literally what Net Zero is?
>>533310454Population is going down because people just don't want to have children.It is only retards like you who think humans will just continue to grow the population ad infinitum.
>>533300956It's called the third world.
>>533301517yes? power is more important than money. money is just a means to power. when your options are spend some money to placate the masses, or risk everything in some insane global depopulation scheme, the former is the more desirable and efficient route to take.look around you brotha, most the population is self-sterilizing or incel or otherwise deliberately avoiding fertility . just throw some money around, let the bread and circuses continue, and people will just drop out and inundate themselves with surrogate activities till they die
>>533310583Jej
>>533310427>>533310568And what will happen when people lose their economic power of spending more for housing? Let's say you have a little lot to sell. Who can pay more, the automated venture that builds a lab for novel life enhancing treatments for the rich, or ten UBI slaves? Even if some government bureaucrats' AIs could decide that these rare 10 sqm are for a new pod to house some of the 20M Indian "climate refugees" who arrived this year, there still is the instance at the top which decides about the land use policy, and that comes from a rather pure negotiation using the power of wealth and violence.
>>533310583
consooooom the endless slop
>>533300933It will be the right way, I think.
>>533301354>let us starveUse ai to coordinate the culling, and disposal.
>>533300933Not gonna happen. I hate this faggot so much. A couple of months ago he said money would be worthless, now it's high income UBI? Ok bitch, you have hundreds of billions of dollars, how about giving a few genius Whites some paychecks? Has this african ever helped White people ever? Has he ever helped anyone in his entire life beside jeets? I hope he takes enough ketamine it gives him a brain aneurism.Newsflash everyone, they ain't giving anyone shit.
>>533300933The part he's leaving out though is that "everyone" means about 99% fewer people than are currently alive. You really think they are going to let 8 billion people just exist without working? Come on, man.
>>533301354Prof ching chong in a recent lecture dropped in that 90 percent of humanity would be killed in the near future.That will leave around 500,000,000 The Georgia guide stones recommended amount.
>>533300933there is no unemployment caused by AI, that is the big lie of the day. the unemployment is caused by financial instruments becoming too expensive for companies and revenue dropping because inflation has made most discretionary purchases too expensive for consumers. people are losing, and going to lose, their jobs because the economy is collapsing. not because of AI.
>>533300956they are called filipinas.
>>533310719>Population is going down because people just don't want to have childrenis like saying "life expectancy is going down because cancer rates are increasing". It does nothing to explain the true cause. The idea that it's 100% natural has less supporting evidence than the idea that it's man made
>>533311067He doesn't seem to be able to form a coherent public image. Intelligent people usually can. Not that intelligence is a big cause of wealth, or that it would matter in any economic way now that there is AI. But he seems to claim authority from intelligence, banking on the genius entrepreneur image his PR minions spread.
I don't believe humans can handle not working. Even discord trannies go on 12 hour a day crusades agianst this site cause they need to find some meaning in the lives, as useless as it may be.Rather than UBI stoping immigration/deporting brown would help the most with job shortages. A unified people only having 1-3 kids would be able to synchronize with AI changing the job market.
>>533300933Crock of fucking shit, this will never happen.People will just find a new job, just like when the combine harvester put 70% of people out of work.
>UBI>monthly allowance that gets reset at the start of each month - no saving>government gets to decide how you spend your monthly allowance>in order to get UBI you'll have to sign off all your earthly possessions to the government upon death - no inheritance>government gets to take your UBI away and send you to the cornfield for thinking bad thoughtsBut anyway it's never happening, you're not getting free shit for just existing, it's a pipe dream
>>533304438They just injected half the world with mRNA poison.The rest will die in famine and wars.
>>533311405That's what Larry Fink announced at the 2024 WEF meeting, shrinking "xenophobic" populations, less protest against AI owners taking the wealth slowly and peacefully.
>>533311489>you're not getting free shit for just existingThey could just give the people on gibs a standard UBI income and let everyone else also have it and save themselves a lot of effort.
>>533311620Why should you get free shit just for existing though? No one is entitled to anything. I don't give a fuck what some philosophers and rebellious deists wrote 300 years ago. There is no such thing as inalienable rights. You are only entitled to what you can take and successfully hold onto.
Is there even enough money in the world to give just 1 country UBI? I think not. Definately not for any prolonged time.
>>533304356>>533304581>>533304438It seems you have never been rich. Even a wealth of ten millions gives you the means to kill people left and right, without the government ever objecting, you just have to do it slowly and legally. They all exercise this de facto right all the time. And that was all pre AI, just psychological and economic trickery, now with an AI brainwashing and surveillance grid, it has become way way easier.
>>533311592Browniods love AI where as I would rather work with it. AI right not could end most office jobs, but most of those are held by white women and you can't have them birthing white kids. I'd rather live in a world where whites only do meaningful work, AI handles most desk jobs, and women go back to being primarily mothers.
>>533301248This. /thread locked.
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Let’s assume all this wishing about AI capability is real and they invent the Slavebot 3000 that can do anything.Why wouldn’t they just turn off the food, electricity, and base law enforcement that keeps the most basic shit going. Well all just kill each other and the only people who’ll be left can be mopped up by Slavebot3000 unit?Why does there need to be some UBI system? They don’t give a shit about us. Unless they wanna keep farming select breeds.
>>533311771I have calculated this recently while running an internal study. The lower middle working class mutt and his parents have given between 100k and 500k to the rich, as in people living off their capital income. Would they have been able to keep that surplus, they would not have to work. Of course, that would have collapsed the system that relied on that work being done and the surplus being extracted, but now there is AI.
>>533300933So corporate communism
>>533309916I like the other one better.dog fuckers are funnycan we reduce the capcha to 1 thing and ez?its so boring n annoying
>>533300933the cringe american billionaire cult cancer needs to fucking die. glad we Europeans hate billionaires with a passion since we still remember what the European royalty did to us hundreds of years ago before we beheaded them all
>>533311904But why should the middle class get to keep that surplus? What would they do with it? Unironically, money is better off in the hands of the billionaires.
>>533310246already have flibe.com and they won't letem build a gigawatt reactor due to (((safety)))hydrogen cars are guturesplit seawater into hydrogen oxygen with flibe.comdrive rotary engine dymaxion car exhaust water
>>533311893Because communities would band together to support the ecosystem of society. In a perfect world we would recreate an new monetary system and exclude their money from it and lock them out of our emerging culture and civilization. Who am I kidding...
>>533300933>Elon supports free government cheques!No shit, he receives a lot of them
>>533312035100% of his wealth his elon getting gov moneythen keeping work n patentsfaking sales numbermarket successsame as big tek jew n hollywood n sportsall fake sales bsonly fans too
>>533300933He basically got rich off of government subsidies so I don't see why he'd be against it. He's the biggest welfare queen out there
>>533301031>colonize the cosmos Nigger planet people can't even land on moon let alone terraform deserts or build new Islands right here on earth. Yet faggots believe his Project Mars scam.
>>533300933>Free government cheques for everyone!!cool, just create the AI/robotics that will manufacture shit for free first
this is all sex scarcity drivenif we mandated teen girl sex slavesmen would not need to show off with bigger car or mansionwomen are real problemwe need a evil society heer we deport odl women import 10 female sex slave hot teen girl per malemale work on robots to build n grow everythingdisckbags deportimagine 10 sex slave teen hotty and personal mage tower so simplesimplify capcha 3 questions too much
>>533301077>The nice daddy government will just give me lots of money, a car and a big house once I'm replaced by Robots. They really care for me.
>>533300933>we purposefully fucked up the labour market by breaking every law in the book>don't worry, goy, the state will save youThese guys are real philanthropes.
How come the overlords are so dumb?If you give the population girls and basic ass rooms then u can live in mansions secretly and be happywhy all the squalor?flibe.com is limitless energygreenarays.com is better computingwhy use garbage liek oracle java?barfswitch to better tekmass produce housingand let people be happy on small scalewhile u fuckers have mansion pariteis n fuck all the hottestwhy all the pain?capacha too long 1 task not 3 and more ez
>>533311968The proper 4chan answer style would probably be >yes comrade, the Politburo knows bestThe needs of the people on top are very 1D, and this overrides their actions, even in the rare case they have some serious thinking kit beneath. And even then, even vos Savant herself could never properly plan the lives of others. And just for system dynamics reasons, I'd rather live in a loosely coupled decentralized world than in one that is tightly ruled by a committee of 10000 rich people.
he wants to kill most of humanity so they can afford to give the rest a nice free ride
>>533301292This>>533301435Stop yapping so hard. Killing us makes the earth easier to manage. Anyone who is not productive is put in a digital auschwitz, marked when the day comes for the gas chamber.>>533303654A lot of /pol/ seems to be in the know.>>533308966The birthrate psyop is a final curtain call before the plan they've set in motion now. We either learned to give birth yesterday, or they'll start rounding us up. Covid-19 was already a stealth attempt at depopulation, so now they're just gonna come for whoever isn't generating wealth to the oligarchs, and especially those with loud voices who are threatening to overthrow the Epstein class.What you guys need to adjust in your thinking is that we are talking about literal pedophiles under suspicion. What does a pedophile do after he's done with his victims? He doesn't drive them back home, I'll tell you that much. He kills them, because they are witnesses, so these guys want to kill us, because we are the witnesses.
>>533300933>wait for your 5,000 check you stupid fucking MAGA retardthose people treat you like real retards
