>When the Democrats win, they're going to raise taxes on the wealthy!Oh, my sweet summer child. We're going well beyond that. Tick tock fascists. Your grifting, self dealing and manipulation of markets is about to come due.
>>533706139Tax the jews at 100%!
The trump family insider trading cases are going to be great
>>533706139How do you raise taxes on the rich when the top 1% already pays 50% of the taxes?
>>533706139>Your grifting, self dealing and manipulation of markets is about to come due.Wow. And I thought I was anti-semitic.
>>533706139>Oh, my sweet summer child
>>533706222He will pardon them all and they will get away with everything
>>533706222This. And before anyone says>HURR DURR HE PARDON EVERYONE!!!Consider the possibility of using the pardon power as part of a conspiracy. Everyone always talks about the pardon as being absolute, but what if the act of the pardon itself is a component of a criminal conspiracy? Wouldn't that mean the pardon itself was an illegal action? Does an illegal pardon hold any legal force? I think not, personally. I think a bunch of very smart lawyers who want to see these criminals brought to justice will lean on some variation of this. Screencap this post for 2029.
>>533706139Keep us posted.
>>533706139>this time for sure well make those greedy billionaires pay>increase taxes across the board >billionaires take money out of the market and squirrel it away in a tax haven>only the bottom percentage of tax payers see an increase>dems throw their arms up "well we tried"
>>533706752Oh no. We're demoralized now.
>>533706752>billionaires take money out of the market and squirrel it away in a tax havenI don't think you understand quite how far it's possible to go with this. We could, e.g., join the ICC and thereby rejoin Europe as an equal. With that leverage, we could create an international tax as has already been talked about for a while now. With Europe's cooperation, we could decide that, actually, no more tax havens are allowed. It's not as simple as "take assets out of the market" and then you're good. You have to go through OUR payment gateways. They have to clear through OUR clearinghouses, into OUR bank accounts. All of this shit is possible. If Dems decide that actually democratic socialism is based (as they should), they could then pack SCOTUS full of justices to eliminate the possibility of Trump holdovers saying no, and then do a lot of this shit the same way Trump did it: by congress just kind of allowing the president to do whatever he wants. Could be fun times ahead!
>>533706139KILL EM ALL!>>533706323Lol you really think Dems are gonna respect that? They have zero reason to. It's time to totally clean house. All reds will hang.
>>533706139Fascists won't get arrested. They will be arresting people. The left were always the far more fascist group. Also far more racist amd far more hateful.As long as there isn't another coup, we might be fine. The fascist left (you) will get another president elected that cares about freedom. No matter how crazy he is.
>>533706139>>When the Democrats win, they're going to raise taxes on the wealthy!What Democrats ALWAYS mean by this, is that they are raising taxes on Middle class , upper middle class, and home taxes. All taxes are always raised on Middle class, and on home owners. ALWAYS. Their goal is always to KEEP YOU POOR or barely surviving paycheck to paycheck .
>>533706139>self dealing and manipulation of markets is about to come dueWhile Nansi Pelosi (D) has over $100 mln on her trading account, and she beats every single wall street trader.Oh, my sweet summer child.
>>533709593Very true. Democrat and Republican alike are instruments of capital. Both are totally compromised by corporate and international lobbying groups. Both are totally owned by corporations and the elite. Democratic socialists, however, are not. Trump predictably "failed" to deliver on his populist promises because -- and this may be a shocker to some of you -- Donald Trump himself is an elite. He was born elite and he'll die, well, hopefully in chains, but also as an elite. AOC can save us. Do we want to be saved?
>>533707086>>533708045Just calling it like I see it. Ive lived through 3 dem presidencies and not one has been able to tax the rich at pre ww2 levels
>>533709751Democrats are always for raising taxes on Middle class, and home taxes on home owners. ALWAYS. Your taxes will go up if Democrats are in charge . We are currently flushing RINOs out of Republican party , Democrat agents. We'll see if this somehow sticks.
>>533709593the does the same and worsewith the added bonus of starting wars for israel
>>533709751>are instruments of capital. Both are totally compromised by corporate and international lobbying groups. >Both are totally owned by corporations and the elite.Yep, the Oligarchy.
>>533709948Idiot, Iran is not a war, there are no troops on the ground . Iran is to cut out China from middle eastern oil. >which succeeded.
>>533709906Sure. In the 50s, taxes were higher on the middle class, too. With these taxes we funded the development of an entire nation -- infrastructure and institutions we still rely on today, however degraded by neglect and poor funding. You'll be brought along for the ride, too. We'll all pay higher taxes, but with them we will all advantage ourselves of better services as well. Subsidized housing creation, free healthcare, renewed investment in education and national energy infrastructure. All of these things are long overdue. The tax cuts of the Reagan era have been proven at this point to have advantaged only the rich. Debt has since ballooned and inequality along with it. The rich have not concerned themselves with maintaining our national infrastructure or the welfare of the common man. We will have to tax them such that they do.
>>533710060you're retarded lmaoand this war is a failure. even netnyahu said as much
>>533709871Maybe we should engage with the democratic process, advocate for higher taxes and more expensive social programs, and vote for people who will further that agenda.
>>533710153 Let me repeat this for you, low iq memefaggot retard: >Iran is not a war, there are no troops on the ground .>Iran is to cut out China from middle eastern oil.>>which succeeded.
>>533706139Lol. The Democrats are literally just the other, lest blatant, boot of ZOG. The voters might want payback but the politicians will at most fire all the Trump appointees and get cronies of the establishment again.
>>533706139Is that why you desperately want "no ID voting"? and "Mail in ballots"?
>Your grifting, self dealing and manipulation of markets is about to come due.Sounds anti-semitic but okay>>533708045>We're just going to centralise all transactions through the super-state>and the super-state will have visibility of all bank accountsSounds like fascism but okay
>>533710100You have no way to tax the rich when all they own is STOCKS in their companies. As New York , California and Washington State (Seattle ,etc) are currently showing , if you increase taxes beyond a normal measure , the rich and the companies will just leave your high tax state. Right now , NYC is collapsing with billions of $ of new debt, because rich and companies are leaving.Seattle is Collapsing, same.California, Taxifornia, the highest taxed state in the country that lies they'd tax the rich, but in reality tax upper middle class, houses and software engineers. CA is currently also collapsing - companies are leaving San Fran and Silicone valley, billionaiers moved out of CA, etc.So, as a result of this crap .MIDDLE CLASS, upper middle class and Home owners ALWAYS end up with higher taxes.ALWAYS. Nothing changes. The only way you can tax the rich. And THIS IS WHAT WE and Trump has done.is by installing Tariffs.Tariffs are in USA the only ways to tax the rich.>tariffs are taxes that are taken when >ships with chinese trinkets land in US ports.>before that, large companies were hiding their profits in offshores
>>533710664First of all... we already do that kek. We already have massively invasive methods on top of the programs Snowden told us about. So, it's not like I'm proposing we create some new thing that's never been done before. The government already CAN do all of this. But second, you might have a poor understanding of what fascism is if you think it's just... I mean I don't even know how to express it. "The government can... see what you do with your money and tell you what to do with it if it's illegal?" I'm not sure how I can even interact with someone as low-info as you are kek. I don't come across people like you very often
>>533710881Buddy , answered your post above: >>533710851
>>533706222Not going to happen because that would kick start a much wider discussion as to who else is doing it.
>>533710851>You have no way to tax the rich when all they own is STOCKS in their companies.We absolutely do. It's as simple as regulating borrowing against assets. I'm not actually in huge favor of a wealth tax, believe it or not. I think we should hit the offramps where money and stock actually change hands. Above a certain floor (say, $1m aggregate over some period), you should have to pay taxes on your money if you're borrowing against assets. If you still want to borrow against them, you can deduct those taxes against what you pay when you die and the contracts are executed. It's not actually that hard.
>>533710881Forced unity is fascismForced consolidation under a super-state is fascismCentralised anything is inherently fascismState-run communism is, by definition, fascismIt's you who has a very surface-level comprehension of how deep fascist ideals run in terms of centralised control schemes. You're just asking for Nazi Germany, including the camps & genocide.
>>533711037We already taxed billionaires with Tariffs. The rest of this crap will be taxes on Middle class, taxes on home owners, taxes on salaries of software engineers (because they make over $100K year) and the rest of the usual TAX THE MIDDLE CLASS crap that always comes from Democrats.Nothing changes, Democrats always tax working people who make more than the average poor. We are already taxing billionaiers with tariffs. What needs to be done , is taxes on middle class and on homes need to be REDUCED. And taxes on primary residences made $0. Or you are currently mass bankrupting the Middle class and small businesses with taxes.
>>533711037>Above a certain floor (say, $1m aggregate over some period),Seattle did that. Now Seattle is collapsing, as people who earned that literally MOVED OUT of the state.
>>533711247You're arguing with an idiot who is literally his own worst enemy. Dude can't see the forest for the trees. In his mind, we need to do these things, and simultaneously they're already being done by the very states he wants to dissolve into a super-state, with Europe nonetheless. Wants to speedrun fascism and take all of us with him, in chains.
>>533711247>We already taxed billionaires with Tariffs.Uh... not really. In economic circles, tariffs are considered a "regressive" tax -- not in a moral sense but rather because they disproportionately hit the lower classes, who end up spending a much larger proportion of their income on them. To put this in perspective, you and I most likely spent around $2,000 on tariffs last year. I make $40,000 a year (that didn't change kek), so in essence, I spent 5% of my income paying tariffs. If instead I made $4,000,000 last year and my sole income was borrowing tax-free against assets... I spent basically nothing on tariffs. It may have been the only tax I paid, in fact. Yes, rich people buy more things in general, but the amount they pay relative to what they earn is the part totally out of whack.
>>533711286Yeah, that's a real bind. Capital is especially mobile between states. The idea is to do it nationally instead of states. A federal tax on borrowing against assets. Problem solved!
>>533711346I am not arguing with him .Sometimes you must spell stuff to idiots and Democrats, because they don't live in realty.>yet they vote.
>>533711189>State-run communism is, by definition, fascismSure, if words mean nothing, then this is true. Good is evil, up is down, left is right, rich is poor. If we just STOP CARING ABOUT THE DEFINITIONS OF WORDS, suddenly we understand everything!
>>533706261>But this statistic I saw from my favorite propaganda guyTax unrealized gains on property. Also kill stupid fucks like you -- obviously rich people pay a larger share of the tax burden you fucking soup head. That doesn't mean they pay their fair share! That's not how that fucking works!If you don't have a brain, then you don't deserve to live.
>>533706222Barron is going to be in trouble...
>>533711514>>533711561Idiot. You are going to bankrupt yet more small businesses. More than 50% that you idiots already bankrupted with covid. Sometimes I am wondering , if you are idiots, or paid by big corporations to destroy their competition, small businesses.
>>533706139>Tick tock fascistsSo jew cocksuckers are fascists now? You leftists are just as retarded as miggers.
>>533711646Ok, that's cool and all, but I just want to note that you have changed the topic of discussion (without resolving anything) from tariffs and taxes to... uh, I guess, "you are an idiot"? Doesn't make much sense to me as a pivot, but I don't make the rules kek. Oh! Unless... maybe you no longer have a valid counterpoint? Let me know. Kek
>>533706139first of all you were never going to raise taxes and idk what fascists youre talking about your country is run by jews
>>533711634Lmao Marx himself derided the idea of state-run communism and literally referred to it as a dictatorship, buddy. What's worse is, you aren't even advocating for dictatorship by proletariat. You're advocating for dictatorship by the unelected elite class, a super-state run by the same people who are running our states now.Not only do you deeply misunderstand communism & fascism, you also deeply misunderstand capitalism as a concept and mindset. Damn, I've literally never seen anyone on /pol/ in 10 years be this violently ignorant, and equally confident about it. Wew, lad
>>533708045>I dont think you understand how far we can go with this>we can go all the way to ceding all of our sovereignty to the internationalists>somehow this will be OURS and not globohomo's boot even more firmly on the neck of humanityleftists are 100% retarded and do not understand the logical outflows of any policy they are told to support by their local handler
>>533706139>we're going well beyond thatWell yeah nobody thinks new taxes stop at the wealthy lol
>>533710881reminder that the original definition of fascism was corporations controlling governmentsthis was before noam chomsky was told by epstein & pals that we need to get them away from knowing the banking corps are trying to take over the world, so meme another definition for it and make sure it includes things that will make the indoctrinated believe it can be anything except the corporations dictating what goes on in governmentsI will give you an example of fascismonce the WEF had a big problem with corp real estate, globohomo agents in my state government passed a law that said if you have any sort of food business then you need to have a corp real estate rent to go with it otherwise its unsanitary and you will be prevented from running your businessthis is akshual fascism, not your retard chomsky redefinition of muh nationalist tyranny
>>533711755Let me try again. In US, where people own STOCKS of the companies, you can't tax the "rich" and "billinaiers" . They will move to another state or out of the country - Caribbean islands are nice and offer a lot of offshore banks.The only way you can tax the rich is via tariffs. Which Trump did. ALL taxes that Democrats push ALWAYS end up being paid by Middle class, upper middle class and home owners. ALWAYS. ALL Democrats taxes pushed on regular taxpayers and regular home owners. You need to REDUCE taxes on middle class.And make Home / Primary residence taxes $0, NON-TAXABLE HOMES. Because with 1000 taxes you are already bankrupting the middle class and small businesses. With covid lockdowns and DEI , Democrats already bankrupted 50% of white male owned small businesses , that used to provide 50% of all jobs.Now you are all crying where are all jobs. you need to REDUCE and REMOVE taxes in order for jobs to come back.>and your average big corpo>like Fakebook or Google>would rather outsource to AI and India btw. Economics 101 basics.
>>533712433They're midwits at best who can't comprehend 4th, 5th, etc. order consequences to their actions. All their minds do is envision a goal, and imagine the quickest route from point A to B. There is absolutely 0 consideration for any variables, including variables related to their personal existence. Likewise, they fail to perceive parallels between their thought process & the thought processes of hardcore fascists.Two sides of the same coin, but don't even have the eyes to see it.
>>533712277>Lmao Marx himself derided the idea of state-run communismUh, no. >What's worse is, you aren't even advocating for dictatorship by proletariat. You're advocating for dictatorship by the unelected elite class, a super-state run by the same people who are running our states now.Uh, no, I'm not.I award you zero points for reading comprehension. Please do NOT see me after class.
>>533706139>your time is upNo, your cholesterol is up
>>533711638>Tax unrealized gains on property.kys mfyou're telling me I should be taxed on my great grandfather's property he bought 90 years ago with a workers salary, just because its not my primary residence?fuckin leftoid retardsthey never, ever understand all the people harmed by their idiot faggot ideas
>>533712620Right, so they just print out their stocks and put them in a suitcase, then? Here's a better question, if the rich are being taxed by tariffs, why aren't they ALREADY printing out all their stonks and depositing them in banks in Dubai?
>>533712672>NO>NO>NO>NO>donkey noisesLmao, sad fucking display
>>533706139I'm supposed to forget about Nancy Pelosi.
>>533706139This delusion brought to you by the same people who chop their own dicks off.
>>533708045Democratic socialism is literally for retards, which explains why you shill so hard for it.Its funny how they don't even pretend to be communists anymore. We need a McCarthy 2.0 to wipe this infection clean.
>>533712736Now, their stocks are in a computer on a stock exchange. You can take a laptop with wifi, internet access and some conferencing software. And move to caribbean islands, tomorrow. And run your business out of your laptop from there. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING STOPS rich from doing this.
>>533712614Fine, I'll define fascism for you guys. Fascism is a bifurcated system. At the top, you have elites for whom everything else is instrumental. These are the people who get rich and powerful from a fascist merger of state to capital. To them, it's all numbers. In a mature fascist state, the deaths of millions become figures indistinguishable from profit or loss in a ledger -- the terrain is flattened into record-keeping.However, at the level of the polity, where people take fascist ideas seriously, it is the exact opposite of rational. It is a politics of revanchist RETVRN sentiment where popular ressentiment is farmed and directed at the Other. The people latch strongly onto their specific cultural mythologies and believe themselves incarnations thereof. They are encouraged to see the world not instrumentally, as do elites at the top, but in terms of dominance and right and in dichotomies of good and evil. They are made to worship virility and physical strength; to become moralistic in their mythologies. The people are whipped up into a fervor so intense that logic no longer matters, and the only relevant goals are victory (with respect to national myth) at literally all cost. They will endure war, famine, deprivation, and the wholesale erosion of law.None of those things are rational. But it is sufficiently bifurcated that when we speak of fascism, unless we account for both sides of the coin, we are liable to believe what we want to believe... and potentially fall into it ourselves. In short, fascism is more of a pattern than it is anything formalized. It is a bifurcated method of interacting with power. Elites get total power, amoral realpolitik, riches, and cold rationale. The proletariat gets mythology, narrative, and obedience. That's the exchange.
>>533712736>, why aren't they ALREADY depositing their money and crypto in banks in Dubai?They already do. Dubai has the 2nd or 3rd number of Billionaires?? >After NYC and Moscow, something like that, but I may be wrong.It's just you usually need to often be locally to run a business.
>>533712922>co-written by chatGPT
>>533712922you wrote so much, yet said so little"Fascism should more properly be called Corporatism, for it is the marriage of Corporate and State power"-Benito Mussolinithis one quote btfos every meme you believe about the wordreminder that the definition changed in the 80s or thereabouts
>>533713046Nah, chatGPT hates my definition of fascism. You can check it yourself kek
>>533713050I can see why you would prefer fascism to be simple and discrete. It's more convenient for you that way, right?
>>533713162>It's more convenient for you that way, right?what projectionit is safer for your limbic system's relationship with reality that you believe your teachers were not feeding you lies and historical augmentations by designI learned these definitions from books from the 1950s before the words & history were rewrittenyou're probably so indoctrinated that you think the nazis were fascist despite the Z literally meaning socialist and hitler btfo'd the banking corpos there
>>533713354Believe it or not, scholarship didn't stop in the 50s. Arendt and Eco, for example, lived through fascism AND its consequences -- unlike Hitler and Mussolini, who died before they could see what they wrought, Eco and Arendt were able to spend long careers understanding fascism. Also, this is just too egregious:>you think the nazis were fascist despite the Z literally meaning socialistSimple question: is a tranny a woman just because he says he is? If not, labels and reality must, at some point, diverge. They did with the Nazis, who were undoubtedly fascist.
>>533706139you get fell for it again awardYOU get fell for it again awardalso (You) in the back, I see you trying to sneak away- fell for it again award!!!everyone gets fell for it again awards!shitlibs still licking their wounds from the the insanely retarded Biden years but they're all low functioning retarded faggots and so forget easily
>>533709593But Trump and the Big beautiful bill already raised taxes on the poor and middle class to fund richfag tax cuts
>>533712733I don't give a fuck. YOU are part of the problem. You aren't owed shit. Tax your dumbass extra house. In fact, I want to burn it because you are retarded NIMBY scum. Any benefit to society doesn't have to be passed through your "does this inconvenience me in any way" checklist. Fuck you.
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>>533706139As soon as Democrats win, youre going to wake up
>>533706139>remains blissfully ignorant of the impending democrat civil war Will ye harkon unto thy white savior? Or wilst thouest gather thyself unto the bosom of thine fair maiden?
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>>533706139good, you gonna pay me kike ass nigger jew faggot ass bitch
>>533713916>dont trust how fascists defined themselves>trust these academics that redefined the word decades later>especially when they tell you the socialists that btfo'd the corporate banking powers in their country were akshually controlled by the corporations>cuz le fascism is just mean and it doesnt have anything to do with its definition from when there were akshual fascist governmentsyeah, you're fucking retarded and brainwashedyour professors must have loved the compliance you displayedthis is why thoughtless compliance is well rewarded in faggot circles
>>533715629>btfoing middle class people benefits societyyou wont do a god damned thing except cope seethe and dilate your gaping tranny hole>you arent owed shit, so this means tax you to death because you had non nigger ancestors that left the family some assetsyou're just assmad that you have been given absolutely nothing by your worthless ancestors
>>533706139Say when fag
>>533715629There isn't a single problem in this country that couldn't be solved by throwing leftists into concentration camps.
>>533719312>into concentration camps.spelled out of helicopters wrong
>>533718584It's a funny thing, how unaware some people are about what they are doing and why. The part about fascism which was difficult to nail down is why people fell for it -- why a couple choice words about mythology and national identity from a bald midget could turn people's brains off to the point where they became, as you put it, compliant with quite literally any and all authority. That took time to unpack. Fascism, for the people who are manipulated by it, is a behavioral phenomenon. It is most accurately barely even ideological. Fascism is a mode of interacting with the world in the same way rationale is a way or style of interacting with the world. It is preferring feelings to thoughts -- an emotionally poignant resolution instead of a systemic one; a feeling of victory even at the expense of ultimate and predictable frailty of that victory. Don't know what else to tell you. A MAGA republican isn't very likely to have deep insight into the reasons why he's doing what he's doing. A fascist isn't, either. I trust the people who study these phenomena deeply more than I do the people who experience them... precisely because of the feeling preference over thinking. They just don't do too much of the latter.
>>533718676You are an unclean, rabid animal that should be put down for the benefit of society.>you are just jealousNo. I don't give a fuck about austerity if it makes people turn out like you. If you were human, then you would be ashamed of yourself.>>533719312You wouldn't have anybody to blame your mistakes on, then.
>>533721729Heroic effort itt. Good job.
>>533721983>lefftard talking to real people about what's good and properyou're a homosexual who gets his opinions on what's good and proper delivered to him by his perceived authority figures and have no original thoughts of your ownthere's a reason commies should be tossed from helicopters and you are a prime example
>>533706422Nobody gives a single fuck about what you think, not even your own mother
>>533722234>You're a homoAd hominem. I wouldn't point it out, but people like you are actually stupid enough to moved by illogical arguments.>gets his opinions on what's good and proper delivered to himI made my opinions myself, but I did learn from authority figures -- just like you. My authority figures were actually intelligent, though. Learning from retards doesn't necessarily mean you would turn out unintelligent, but you are a good example of the base case scenario.>original thoughtsIf you had many thoughts, you'd realize there aren't many original thoughts left. And if I had an original thought, it would have to be my own -- so that requirement is redundant.I'm not even a communist -- I just think property should be taxed and people who vote with the crab mentality should be killed. You deserve to be killed for being retarded, though.
