Why? Because I wouldn't want to live in a world where over half of the global population is made of selfish psychopaths who would KILL BILLIONS OF PEOPLE solely because they pressed a button of a different color.
Okay you do that, still pressing red and not risking my life for worthless niggers.
>>534094723Red pushers are all niggers. Your nigger self will be left with a world of nothing but niggers.
Red button of course. That's the only button that 100% guarantees my personal survival and kills up to 50% of the world population which is just great and will make the world a better place
>>534094660if pressing blue button is replaced with 100% of indian will not survive i will press it
>>534094723>>534094791This >>534094781It was a simple morality test and red pushers failed it. You are irredeemably evil.
>>534094660red button.anyone telling you to push blue is a kike lover.
>>534094781Not if we don't pointlessly kill ourselves...It's like they WANT the third world to take over all of their shit or something...
Blue button pushers are genuinely retarded.Ruled by emotional thinking, and a false sense of morality.
>>534094660The only reason someone would push the blue button is because they feel their individual choice matters. Like main character syndrome. You cannot fix a corrupt society through love or wishful thinking, but through reason and self-respect.
>>534094840Nope. Humanity is evil and I rightly hate them so pressing the red button helps improve the world and is a good thing
>>534094660>redif blue vote fails you don't die.if everyone votes red, no one dies.if red vote is the majority, then the majority survives.red vote has the least risk.
>>534095061
>be me>find suicide pool>learn if more than 50% of people jump in the pool then it won’t kill me>get angry when people won’t get inside the suicide pool with me and call them selfish
>>534094660quit shitting up the board with this forced meme you braindead newfag
>>534095256crazy how accurate this is fuck blue button pushers.gay aids niggas die pls.
>>534094660Okay. Bye I guess.>>534094781People who press blue, those with no stake in the future, no personal responsibility, low intelligence and high suicidal empathy are the reason everything has gone to shit.
>>534095256The Red button is the nobody dies button.
>>534095336The meme is mocking you>>534095305>>534095284
Blue pushers believe in democracy.That is the true takeaway from this.
>>534095284Red is the nobody’s gonna die button
>>534095368Red is the "kill everyone who doesn't push this button" button.
>>534095368>the button where people die if the majority press it, is actually the nobody dies buttonThis experiment is very enlightening, it taught me how hard people will dress their naked self-preservation at the cost of others as an ethical and morally superior choice
>>534095399Good.
>>534095399No, Red is the nothing happens button. Ergo only retards will push blue.
>>534095430>is actually the nobody dies buttonIt literally is, the only threat posed is the blue button.
>>534095256>>534095284You need to get a job. Making memes professionally for the IDF is clearly not working out.
>>534094660>where over half of the global population is made of selfish psychopathsi got bad news for you anon
>>534095430read nietzche
>>534094660The red button is the only logical choice. Blue is for bleeding heart ideologues, dreaming of a perfect world that will never exist. Red, however, immediately dispels any and all bullshit. It's the guaranteed safe pick for everyone, always.Here's a simple demonstration about why blue would never realistically work.-1 time survey experiment: Blue wins, everyone holds hands and sings kumbaya. Truly wonderful.- Infinite experiment, repeated every day, forever: Eventually red wins once due to all sorts of propaganda and kumbaya fatigue, human instinct and nature taking over ideology and blue is never pressed again since because people want peace of mind and red guarantees them that.
>>534095445>Red is the nothing happens buttonFalse, if 50%+ push red, blue dies. Red is the only button that causes anyone to die.Blue is "do nothing."
>>534094660Red = logic = only option fit for survival Blue = emotion-babble spewing ztard cope
>>534095504Honestly I almost wish we could have the buttons in real life.
>>534094660Where did this easy riddle come from and why was it promoted so much ?
Red is for the whites. They kill their granny and their little sisters without regret.Blue is for the humans. They protect their family.
if everyone presses the red button, everyone survives, with no ill consequences. Good God, people are retarded to argue this. Red button is the only logical option, for everyone, but people will argue blue because it makes them feel mean. Which kinda makes me wwant to press red even more. The exercise will kill EXACTLY the right kind of people, the retards who vote to bring in infinity niggers into the west, the ones who appease islamists, and so on
>>534094660
>>534095061You are genuinely low IQ, as evidenced by your simplistic thinking as well as your lack of intellectual flexibility. So you should press the button for a chance to increase the average population IQ.
>>534095538Incorrect - red 100% guarantees survival (of everyone)Blue is a pointless risk when the safe, red option, exists for all.
>>534095538The death rule is stipulated in the rules of the blue button. The red button has no rules associated with it as it does nothing. Read the original post you doublenigger.
>>534095538>Red is the only button that causes anyone to die.No it isn't, blue is the only option that introduces death into the equation. The results of everyone hitting red is the same as a simple majority of hitting blue, ergo only blue is introducing a death factor.
Blue button is correct, because an innocent child might press the blue button, and it's our responsibility as Aryans to protect and nurture the young.
>>534095560its considered a morality test.self preservation vs altruismsome people believe red pushers are immoral, but don't question why altruism is considered moral.
>>534094660bye. Kind of a gay psyop btw. Was this just sitting in the backlog for a slow week or what?
>>534094660I'd press blue because reds are all spiritual niggers and I'd rather get Thanos'd than spend the rest of my days amongst niggers
>>534095600The child will most likely be a dumb retarrded nigger. White children generally have parents who will make sure the child doesnt commit suicide.
>>534095645>Admitting to being suicidal. Yeah, that tracks.
>>534095538Just don't press blue then, dumbass. You and anyone else can only die by pressing blue.
>>534095645I am genuinely curious, do you believe in democracy?
>>534094660Press them both and hold
>>534094660>Option A: "Don't jump off a cliff.">Option B: "Jump off a cliff, if theres enough jumpers theres a cushion at the bottom."What a shitty question. At least add some type of reward on the blue button like money and now you have an interesting dilemma.
>>534095482> pressing the red button does not kill me> pressing the blue button might kill meNo you don’t understand the choice is more complicated!!!!!
Red pushers are rabid animals that need to be put down.Simple as.
If you went blue, you've opted into the suicide lottery, when you could have just pressed red and been done with it. You're stupid, I'm not on the hook for your stupidity. Red every time. Literally only stupid idiots press blue. Everyone who doesn't press red gets whatever they deserve.
>>534095599Your statements don't logically follow. If both blue and red at 100% push rates = everyone lives, but 51% blue = everyone lives while 51% red = X people die then it is red that is deciding providing the death scenario. Nobody pushing blue is negatively impacting a red button pusher but red button pushers actively vote for the death of any blue button pushers.Whether blue button pushers are ratardid for not choosing safety and self preservation is another discussion but red is definitely the one that holds the 'death' cards.
>>534094660Am i too high IQ to see the conundrum here? To me this looks like pressing the blue button is a way to account beforehand for the retards that would want to press the blue button. If you press the red, nothing happens, so why should i feel bad for people who want to gamble with blue?
>>534095567Your family must be fucking retarded
>>534095728>Your statements don't logically followThey literally do, the only button introducing death is blue, ergo it's the illogical choice.
>>534095381if it's mocking me why is it actually accurate gay niggaget fucked gay nigga
>>534095708>that flag>that post
>>534095753You just restated your conclusion after that very conclusion was refuted.Are you Maori or something?
>>534095753Blue doesn't introduce death, red actively kills all blue people, blue doesn't kill everyone. Death is dependent on the amount of people pushing red, not blue
>>534095256
That question cleanly separates the developmentally stunted "me me me" toddlers from the civilized humans. Imagine living such a lonely, atomized existence that you genuinely think the red button is a good idea. Do you even know what e family is or have you been raised by your smartphone entirely?
>>534095728>ratardid
>>534095504The blue button is the only one that guarantees that nobody dies arbitrarily.Red button is a nigger selector. You'll be left in a world where everyone know they're psychopathic niggers. You'd go from a low trust society to an open air PVP zone.You'll end up getting robbed/tortured/raped/killed by raiders and you'll deserve it.
>>534095738Yes. You are pressing the blue button to maybe save literal retards who jump to emotional, illogical conclusions. You may also die. Thank you for your service, goy.
>>534094660This is so fucking dumb. Everyone can just vote red and survive. Learn game theory you niggers.
>>534095762>Subhuman animal doesn't understand the concept of ethics.Stop, barking, dog.
>>534094660You should be picking red then.
>>534095738It's just a white thing, you wouldn't get it.
>>534095798Every thing you liberal niggers post makes me crave the red button. I pray to God the red button exists one day, in some form.
>>534095828It's just bait at this point.
>>534095779>Blue doesn't introduce death,Yes it does. If you press blue you have a chance to die. If you press red you have 0% chance of death. Red button is "Do nothing"-option. Blue button is "Gamble with your life for no reward"-option.
>>534095738Yes. Dumb dumbs see ‘save everyone’ and FEEL like it’s the right option. Pressing red does nothing in either situation and is available to all. This choice is LOGICALLY optimal.
>>534095750Whatever helps you sleep at night, incel.
>>534095771>that very conclusion was refutedYou didn't, there is no logical argument to hit blue.
>>534095570>if everyone presses the red button, everyone survives, with no ill consequencesGood. Now you should realise that not everyone will in fact press the red button. Some people will press blue out of stupidity. Others might press blue because they expect that some people press blue out of stupidity and they want to save them, and they might further reason that others might press blue for similar altruistic reasons. Some might press blue not because they want to save the stupid people but to save the altruists. Some might press blue not because they want to save the stupid or the altruists but to save the ones who want to save the altruists. Etc.You fail the test because you fail to model others as anything but stupid NPCs. Yes, there are plenty of stupid NPCs, but many blue buttoners will not be. Some are just. DECENT. HUMAN. BEINGS. Do better.
>>534095779You failed your IQ test.
>>534095893You're brown tho
>>534095779>Blue doesn't introduce deathYes it does, it's the only of the two buttons to pose a danger. So it's retarded to hit it.
>>534095798Aren't you doing a "me me me" when you press the suicide button and then expect people to save you from your poor choices?
>>534095830Why is the no risk option (which is available to all) unethical, faggot?
>>534095902>Some people will press blue out of stupidity.Why am I responsible to the stupidity of others?
>>534095815If this experiment happened on a daily basis, forever, it's a statistical impossibility that red wouldn't get pressed once. And once is all it would take for it to continue being pressed forever without any second thought. Blue carries with it constant worry that one day will be the last. Red becomes a boring routine nobody pays any mind to after its established and blue becomes the suicide button afterwards. I'm not telling you what to press. I don't need to convince you of anything at all. I'll press red and not care. Any sensible person will do the same. You and your kin will die and the world will move on without you. If you get filtered by this you deserve it.
>>534094660in reality muslims and jews would coordinate to all push the red button
>>534095798>Imagine living such a lonely, atomized existence that you genuinely think the red button is a good idea.hahahahaha yeah imagine thatimagine a world where every tie between humans has been reduced to a market transaction wouldn't that be funny hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha like a world where it doesn't even matter if you're european or african or a man or a women because you're all just goycattle to be milked hahahaha funny thoughtdon't hate the player hate the game nigger
>>534095956To be fair the blind will get fucked up by the challenge, it's tragic but you can't expect over half of humans to make an illogical choice for them.
>>534095855You could just take a hammer and murder your family and friends and girlfriends right now, you know? You don't need a red button for that. What is stopping you?
>>534095862>Yes it does. If you press blue you have a chance to die. If you press red you have 0% chance of death. Red button is "Do nothing"-option. Blue button is "Gamble with your life for no reward"-option.This statement also doesn't follow. Red doesn't "do nothing" it's an active vote to kill all blue voters. You're pretending the situation is Button (affirmative) or No button (Passive), rather than Option A (Affirmative) vs Option B (Affirmative) because action A and B aren't symmetrical situations. The Red impacting Blue =/= Blue impacting itself.>>534095905This is also someone lacking logic parsing abilities.>>534095916It being retarded doesn't logically imply it intro duces the death. The red introduces the death as it is an active vote against blue voters. It sets the bounds of the experiment.
If red team wins, it fixes EVERYTHING
>>534094660old memeboring
>>534094660Cool, I'm going to press the red button so I don't die
>>534096028You could just shoot yourself in the head right now, you know? You don't need a blue button for that. What is stopping you?
>>534096038>it's an active vote to kill all blue voters.Nope, I'm not forcing anyone to press the blue button, they made that decision by themselves.
>>534096038>The red introduces the death as it is an active vote against blue votersIt's a binary choice you retard. Blue voters have the option to not exist.
>>534095500Beyond good and evil to be specific
>>534095902>Some people will press blue out of stupidity. Others might press blue because they expect that some people press blue out of stupidity and they want to save themWell, it's good that you realize you're the stupid faction at least. But that's not why I'm pressing the red button. I do that simply because in a world that's 95% jeets, chinks, nigs and women, there is a ~0% chance of the blue button being pressed by more than half the people in this world.So it doesn't matter if I push the blue button, the only thing I can accomplish by doing that is to die along with the other bluefags.
>>534096038Just don't press blue and you don't die. Nobody is making you press blue. You get nothing for pressing blue. Just press red and live. If you don't want to so much as press a button to save your own life then you are beyond anyone's help.
>>534094660Blue pushers are collectivist cucks, no better than insects. They have no free will, and presses the blue button because society expects them to press it. They are in ever sense goyims, willing to sacrifice their own lives not for their own conviction or ideals, but because someone higher up told them to, or perhaps because their lives hold no meaning and have no value Red pushers on the other hand are self reliant, free thinking, individualist, able to break free from social programming. As masters of their own destiny, they will only sacrifice their lives for cause that are truly worthy to them. Red pushers embodies the true American spirit, and anyone who press blue are either Eurocucks or brown.
>>534095061>>534095831>>534096124
>>534095944>Why is stealing wrong? You just get free shit.Again, you're a rabid animal devoid of consciousness that would allow you not to be an immediate threat to humans, therefore, you should be put down.
>>534095956You might not care about the stupid people, but surely you might care about some people who care about stupid people. They might not even care about stupid people generally, maybe they just care about a stupid family member. Lots of people know at least one stupid person they'd like to see survive.
>>534095361>people who work dangerous jobs to benefit everyone are the reason everything has gone to shitwhy are redfags so eager to blame blue for problems that redfags caused
>>534096152>Presses the nothing happens button>DiesYeah nice try but you're a dumbass
>>534096162>Why is stealing wrong?Stealing inherently comes with risk.
>>534096147>Ok, you live in a society, but how does that affect you personally?
>>534096201>but surely you might care about some people who care about stupid people.People who gamble their own lives for no good reason are not smart people, they're all stupid people. Blue button pushers are lemmings by nature. If you care about someone else then you force them to push the red button.
>>534094660All press red = everyone livesAll press blue = everyone livesMore press blue = everyone livesMore press red = only reds survive.Red is the logical choice. NOT pressing red is stupid and I feel no obligation to risk my life for suicidal idiots.
This has really brought to light just how many virtue signaling tourists live here.
>>534096208If you press the red button, something happens: you become a murderer.
>>534096028So you’re telling me you have two paths in front of you, one is a nice, calm hike and the other one is full of rabid, hungry wolves. And you’d choose the path with wolves just to play the hero in case someone wanders in there by being an absolute retard? Mind you, you can only help the retards that wander in there if you manage to get enough retards in there to outnumber the wolves.Yes, if you push blue you are actually a fucking waste of oxygen and the wolves are natural selection agents.
>>534096271>you become a murderer.No, the proximal cause of the blues death is hitting blue.
>>534096271Whoever is forcing people to push buttons is the murderer. No one else.
>>534096249Even an 80 IQ pajeet could figure that one out, retard. It was a morality test, not an IQ test.
>>534096249another blue pov is a savior/hero complex imo
>>534095617I know that, but where and why was it promoted ? I do like the question very much, but most people who hold egalitarian views wouldn't get the question, as if they were just drones following universalist ideologies, that we've been indoctrinated with for 2000 years
>>534096100Whether you force someone to press blue or not doesn't change the premise of what the Red Button is. You can cope around the framework presented, but actual human being engage with hypothticals.>>534096107Not all binary choices are the same. Again Active/Active =/= Active/Passive. You lack critical comprehension skills.Red button pushers seem to be rather dim if this thread is indicative of the average red button pusher..>>534096145I've already said whether or not pressing blue is retarded is another conversation. My statement was about red of blue introducing death. Game theory where self preservation is the ideal end state says that red is the superior option because of the active passive power imbalance is the decision tree, but it doesn't make it more moral, ethical, or less culpable for introducing death to the equation.
>Red button: do nothing, never get a job,your family dies>Blue button: start working a difficult and life threatening job to support your family, including the redfaggots that are weighing your family down. if everyone in your family does this, everyone prosperscan't imagine being a rednigger
>>534096310It's a virtue signal test for faggots like you
>>534096346>Again Active/Active =/= Active/Passive. No shit you retard, you can actively choice to take zero risk. >You lack critical comprehension skills.Well no, clearly not.
>>534096346>Game theory where self preservation is the ideal end state says that red is the superior option because of the active passive power imbalance is the decision tree, but it doesn't make it more moral, ethical, or less culpable for introducing death to the equation.Nothing immoral about choosing self-preservation over retards who gamble with their lives.
the blue button is the accelerationist's button. either everybody dies or nothing ever happens.
>>534096346>but actual human being engage with hypothticals.The IQ of blue button pusher in display right here.
>>534096346The only way red could be culpable for anyone's death is if you believe that someone is guilty of homicide for not risking his life to prevent a suicide. You are given the option to simply press red and live or press blue and risk death. If you press blue then you chose death of your own free will and can blame no one but yourself.
>>534096203>>534096360Can't imagine being this retarded.You people GENUINELY can't understand the hypothetical, can you?
>>534096360>Start working a difficult and life threatening job to support your family,But you're not working a job. Blue button promises no rewards whatsoever.
>>534095381What are you, a woman?
>>534096402You're probably right, but people really are this stupid.
>>534096310>moraltiy testYour "morals" are stupid and it's a stupid test.No, it's not immoral to press red button.Paly stupid games, win stupid prizes. I am NOT obligated to save your from your own stupidity - morally or otherwise.
>>534096295No, I'm not telling you that. You're hallucinating and you don't even realize it. You're literally dumber than a chatbot. Of course you chose the red button. All you mouth breathers do. Your social and intellectual horizon doesn't reach past the next meal or video game or goonbait video.
>>534094660I asked my wife she said blue button, but then I told her, everyone survives too if they push red and they guarantee their own survival if there's retards that press blue. She changed her mind to red pretty quick.
>>534096484>obligated to save your from your own stupiditySo that's why Plebbit loves it.
>>534096339altruism isn't bad and can be a successful strategy.you can see the game theory play out.https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=goePYJ74Ydgbut tl;dw altruism requires discrimination to succeed.most other scenarios involve extinction of altruists.
Doesn’t work when ethnic, cultural, etc differences are involved. Every group is forced to make the same calculation that they can’t allow themselves to get eradicated because they foolishly projected their values and>muh shared humanityonto a narrow majority of people who don’t share them.Blue is a form of natural selection.
>>534096244It's a private vote, so you can't coordinate with others. You have to hypothesize which people will press blue and reason if it's worth the risk to press blue to save them. And lots of blue buttoners might not be actively stupid, just altruist or meta-altruist.Of course, the red button is the correct choice anyways, because there's no chance that over 50% of the population would choose blue. Maybe 10% of whites would, for non-whites it's 5% tops.
>>534096520Man she better be a good fuck as she's not clever.
>>534096469>having anyone but me survive is no reward whatsoeverI pity you.
>>534096402>>534096483>>534096484But I was completely serious. I'm not in favor of killing innocent people.
I suspect most people would push the blue button. I would also push it.
>>534096520But that's the problem I guess, you can't assume tards being told what's right to do in the hypothetical scenario.
>>534096556>I'm not in favor of killing innocent people.They were all presented the option to take zero risk.
>>534096469blue button saves the life of everyone who is choosing to take a risk for the benefit of everyone (key word, everyone, even the blue pressers)so why would you not do this?
>>534096556>suicidal tendencies>innocentpick one
>>534096295Nigger the framing matters. The framing is not some additional layer with no relevance for the correct choice, because the framing influences what people will choose and the rational choice will have to factor in the response of others. That's why all the analogies fail, because they aren't actually equivalent.
>>534096556If you don't try and stop somebody from killing themselves, did you kill them?It's okay to change your mind dude.
>>534096589>Button A. Zero risk. >Button B. Immeasurable risk. Because button A isn't retarded to push?
>>534095584Oh look it's another one of these>>534095284>>534095486>muh IDFget help
>>534094781No. You're not even applying the logic to RL scenarios.Niggers do dangerous things. If >50% do the looting, they live; if it's <50% they die by copNon-niggers just go to work, no risk, red button.
>>534094660explain how killing half of the 3rd world would be a net loss. without you canned response about some emotional plea on behalf of people you have never met, nor will ever meet.
>>534096542>And lots of blue buttoners might not be actively stupid, just altruist or meta-altruist.I don't think modern day Gandhi would jump in front of a train just because plenty of retarded pajeets play with their lives for fun.
>>534096600They are literally 100% equivalent, you're a dumb nigger. Framing DOES influence what people will choose though. Especially retarded cattle people.
I will go over a whole bunch of reasons why blue is the immoral choice and picked by evil people.If you ever got mad at red as a blue presser, you did not press blue out of altruism. The act of being mad at red means you have motivations beyond selfless sacrifice for the greater good. This is innate, you cannot both be mad at red and be altruistic.The act of pressing blue locks you, systemically, into a choice that strongly encourages immoral behaviour: You are dead if too few people press blue with you. The moral implications of having nothing left to lose are obvious and we've seen it already with covid. It's cult like. Mass surveillance, lying, manipulation, murder, etc. Nothing is off the table.The starting point of a blue, before they even push the button, is that of entitlement. It's the fundamental reason they believe "reds would murder us". When you listen to blues explain themselves, you'll quickly come to this understanding: They think they are entitled to you saving them. They DESERVE being saved, you are obligated to save them and you are a TRAITOR if you don't. You can also see how clearly this isn't an altruistic line of reasoning.The entitlement combined with resentment breeds a psychopathic animosity towards reds that reds do not share towards blues. This is why you see such emotional outbursts from the blue people.Finally, the moral arguments blue use to justify their position "even if we save one life", "there are children who pick blue", "what if someone trips and touches blue", are true at every threshold for the death button. Whether it's 50%, 20%, or 80%. Yet nearly every blue will refuse to push blue if they have an 80% chance of death instead of 50%. They are all actually reds.Most of this analysis is only untrue for an ACTUAL altruist pushing blue - who would not care if he dies, would push blue at any % under 100, and would not be mad at red for the outcome either.
>Everyone survives if everyone acts in his or her own self-interest.>This is bad, for some reason.Yes, leftoids really are this retarded.
>>534094660People should be pre-screened and if they are predisposed to pushing red, killed.Us blue pushers will filter a fair amount of sociopaths that way which are actively ruining the world, and even at the 30/70 split for blue-red pushers we will have to kill at most 15% of the population even if our screening has a 30%-40% false negative rate, compared to 50+% that will die when bluepushers lose.
>>534095284There's no option to walk away without pressing a button.You have no agency.
>>534096600You don't think that faced with the actual real scenario, knowing that their lives were actually on the line, normalfags wouldn't spend a couple of extra synaptic processes on figuring out what the task says, instead of what they do when just casually pressing a virtue signal button that doesn't matter anyways?I think the analogies broaden the question, they're not as flawed as you make them out as.
>>534096581>>534096592>>534096601What if they made a mistake? Or couldn't understand the question? Or were threatened or lied to? Or are temporarily depressed or confused? Nobody deserves to die for pressing the wrong button.
>>534096436>No shit you retard, you can actively choice to take zero risk.You keep saying things 've already stated as if I haven't already stated it. I guess you're coping right now so you're employing deliberate lack of comprehension to save face.>>534096436I've never made any claims on morality, but you getting defensive about it is humorous.>>534096441Ironic.>>534096445>The only way red could be culpable for anyone's death is if you believe that someone is guilty of homicide for not risking his life to prevent a suicideThis isn't analogous to the hypothetical. Again Active/active =/= Passive/Passive =/= Active/Passive. These are different scenarios with different implications. The blue button doesn't impact anyone but yourself, you aren't culpable for whatever happens to red button pushers because your button does nothing to them. Red button pushers are pushing a button that DOES actively kill blue button pushers, the only It isn't you doing "nothing" it's affirming your vote that X group die for their decision to be part of X group.Again, you can say that red is the 'smarter' things to do for self preservation, but the notion that red is actually benign ignores the logic tree of the hypothetical.
>>534096529Yeah in very controlled ethnic and racially homogenous circumstances, it could work. I like this quote by Edward O. Wison. "The competition between the two forces can be succinctly expressed as follows: Within groups selfish individuals beat altruistic individuals, but groups of altruists beat groups of selfish individuals.Or, risking oversimplification, individual selection promoted sin, while group selection promoted virtue."
>>534096589>so why would you not do this?Because its a stupid risk taken for no good reason. If you truly care about people then you force them to push the red button because it has 100% chance of survival.
I still have to see a convincing argument against this
>>534096697You didn't answer the question.If you don't stop somebody from killing themselves, did you kill them?
>>534096600They are equivalent though. Blue represents what i’ve just presented, and so does red.
>>534096706>this level of pilpulYeah, you're obviously jewish. Pushing the red button twice now.
Every single argument by red is "If I reframe this so my pressing red isn't causing blue to die, then I'm a good person for picking the people die but I personally am safe button!"Just accept it's selfish "I survive, fuck anyone else" and at least you're honest
>>534096729If you could easily save them, say at the press of a button, then you are morally responsible for their death.
>>534096736>Just accept it's selfish "I survive, fuck anyone else" and at least you're honestThat's not accurate. It's more>I survive, fuck retarded suicidal peopleWhich I agree is selfish to some degree. An acceptable, completely reasonable degree.
>>534096623>>534096718>getting a job to support your family is a risk when you can just sit in your room forever and get neetbux brah>every blue presser dies leaving just the red people who wanted to survive at their expenseand thus, all of society died just like that
>>534096758>If you could easily save them, say at the press of a button,Risking your life is not easily saving anyone.
>>534094660agreeI'd much rather live in a blue button world
>>534096758No, don't grant them that. Red is explicitly the "if red wins others die"It's equivalent to voting yes in a referendum that says "anyone who votes no on this referendum is killed".
>>534094781>Red pushers are all niggersand jeets...you forgot that when ssaaarr do something for others he will lose izzzat thus he cannot press blue
This is about character any normal person would choose number blue bottom because normal people expect cooperation. Choosing the red bottom tells you a lot about a person psychopaths pick red because they don't understand working with other to achieve something. Red is no hope and ultimately complete destruction.
>>534094660this debate is such a psyop. either way your flipping a coin if it comes close to being even. if you push red your likely okay with the way things and the people who are here, you are compassionate enough to care about others while being strong enough to take the possible losses that any bluepusher would bring, whereas the bluepusher is less compassionate but more willing to try and organize to stop the happening caused by button pushing.its not about "me live you die" its about willingness to sacrifice vs the willingness to force change. if you think it boils down to just who lives and dies your thinking slower than a nigger eating sand in zimbabwe. Both sides are too retarded untrustworthy of eachother to take the clear option of just not not pressing the button. the psyop is that neither side is willing to for any reason band together to just not do the thing that could introduce the risk to both of them.
>>534094660The only reason for pressing blue is if someone you loved dearly had pressed blue by mistake.
>>534094660The world would be a better place if all the blue pressers died.
>>534096758I'm not morally responsible for the death of a retard if I don't RISK MY LIFE to save them.
>>534094660Why would anyone push the blue button? Do they not understand the premise?
>>534096780Again you can't correlate blue button with a "job", because blue button has no reward attached to it. People work jobs to get paid. If Blue button would have million dollars attached to it as a reward, now you have a much more difficult button push ahead of you because the risk is no longer a pointless risk.
>>534094660just press red and survive to the next day? imagine you had to do this button ptrss thing every day. youd just start pressing red and stop worrying
>>534096735I'm a red button pusher though, but I'm not coping that I'm choosing self preservation over the sovereignty of others.Also I'm black and I'm 100% certain the post Blue death world is going to be a LOT blacker.It's comical that red button defenders assume their morality is always being impugned, even when the discussion is a neutral analysis on what the situation entails.
>>534094660I don't read word salads written by faggots on twatter. If there's an option that where OP and the original poster of the Twatter post swallow a gun barrel I suggest that's the best option.
>>534096697>What if they made a mistake?They are retarded.>Or couldn't understand the question? They are retarded. >Or were threatened or lied to? By whom? It's a retarded premise.>Or are temporarily depressed or confused?Then by definition they are making an illogical choice.
>>534096706Just. Don't. Push. Blue. It's that simple. You can only die by pushing blue with your own hand. So don't do that 4 head.
>>534096804>It's equivalent to voting yes in a referendum that says "anyone who votes no on this referendum is killed"You would vote no???
>>534096832my bad. meant to write the way things are. ive been up for two days.
>>534096780Blue has literally no benefit, if there was an incentive to it that analogy might work.
Are there any downsides to half the population dying?
>>534096851>Also I'm blacYeah, figures.>It's comical that red button defenders assume their morality is always being impugnedYou talked about morality in relation to the red button, I said there's nothing immoral about the red button>WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MORALITYNigger...
>>534096674Oh and I forgot to add the evolutionary argument to the issue:Inevitably, at some point, by happenstance and variance, blue will lose the vote and die. It only needs to happen once. Blue could win votes for a million years and then one day they lose and their entire genetic lineage is immediately wiped out. They are not a stable evolutionary line like red is. Inevitably nature wipes them out.UNLESSThe ONLY case where blue can survive long term and become 'stable' is through coercion, violence, manipulation, and other force, to attack reds. They CANNOT exist in the long term without being immoral and unethical GENETICALLY.It's pretty much guaranteed, anyone picking blue is innately evil.There is the chance, they didn't actually think it through, or they're genuinely altruisticBut in the majority of cases when you're dealing with a blue person, especially the seething kind, you are dealing with someone who is innately predisposed to evil.And I think we are all well aware of that because we've lived the past 20 years seeing this kind of person and the way they act already.
>>534096809You’re retarded if you think most people would press blue. People don’t want to cooperate when there’s a perfectly safe choice. Then blue becomes the selfish option because if you press it you’re expecting people to get into danger when red is available and doesn’t present danger at all.
>>534096736Consider it as if we look at the whole world populations. Would you press blue and risk your life for a bunch of niggers and shitskins ?
>>534096697Theoretically, everyone would be properly informed. No button is pressed by mistake.
>>534094660I do nt care, I press red I was fucked over by all you goody-good fuckers so much I really would rather live with psychopaths than with you. Psychopaths that normal society would kill. But you go around and save them constantly see them as victims and poor misunderstood people. And anyone pointing out you are protecting criminals psychopaths and evil people gets attacked by you. Killing all-neighboury-loving retards who protect niggers, mudslimes, jews, jeets, streetshitters, criminals, pedophiles, troons, scammers and so on over their own people is the only way for humanity to progress.You literally give those psychopaths a button they will hang you on.
>>534095193>you must think like I do and do things like I do otherwise you dieLiteral nigger mindset. Blue is the right choice. Reds are niggers.You're forgetting one other possiblity nigger, if majority votes blue, no one dies.
>>534096792>>534094660You say this shit under the assumption that all red pressers are white when in reality 90 percent of them are brown and lghdtv. You WILL be exterminated by the gay brown red pressers and you still won't get it in your final moments.
>>534096809Psychopaths claim to pick blue for the social brownie points and press red when alone.Real humans claim to pick red and convince other real humans to pick red.Retards pick blue and die.
>>534096917>You're forgetting one other possiblity nigger, if majority votes blueNah, everyone understands that. But that's incredibly improbable, so people just discount that possibility.
>>534096890if it doesn't pass nobody is killed dumbass
>>534096673You are really stupid. There is no framing free scenario. If you present a scenario to someone, you have also framed it in a certain way. The framing free scenario is at best a mathematical abstraction, an equivalence class that cannot exist in the real world.>>534096696What is the "actual real scenario", if not the scenario of the original tweet? There is no scenario that is framing free. What you could do is tell folks about all scenarios that are equivalent up to framing, and hope that they realise that the red button is generally the best choice, but then you're introducing a huge hypothetical. In the actual scenario people do not have this theoretical background.
>>534096869Hot take: I don't believe retarded people should be killed.
>>534094660I would press red, and they're nothing you can't do about that. Just accept you're fate and die from pushing this button
Everyone here just should watch the movie Dogville by Lars Von Trier. It obliterates the liberal notion of human value
>>534096972>What is the "actual real scenario", if not the scenario of the original tweet?Well, that would be if it actually happened in real life. Some mysterious force actually descends on Earth and forces everyone into pushing buttons. Some twatter poll obviously isn't real life.
>>534096981>I don't believe retarded people should be killedThey should, of course the mentally invalid should be killed.
>>534094781chink cope. I'm pushing red. guaranteed survival
>>534096968Okay I'm the dumbass but you're the one voting to maybe die for no reason. Sure bud.
>>534096972>What is the "actual real scenario", if not the scenario of the original tweet?A slot machine with no rewards, it returns your money if enough idiots like you played the slot machine with no rewards.
>>534096958>that's incredibly improbableyet, the poll that proves the opposite sits in OP picrel
>>534096727I would say blue is the low IQ. It's a trivial logical concept. Extend the logic:Red button = no riskBlue button = if less than 99% press it, all blue pressers dieImagine you had to repeat the test every day too. It is an unnecesary group risk.
>>534096981I understand your own self-preservation instincts.But no.
>>534097040>but you're the one voting to maybe die for no reason.No, eveyone who dies in a red victory scenario voted for it themselves.
>>534094815Kek
>>534096972>Retard doesn't know what the word "equivalent" means
>>534094660I am pressing the red because I'm worth more than you.
>>534097048A twatter poll without any real consequences doesn't prove anything.
>>534097028So where do you put the line? 80 IQ? 90? 100? 110? 120?
>>534097057Yeah, if blue had any guaranteed upside (say $100 USD) it's actually debatable how the vote would turn out.
>>534096674>>534096907There are however some conditions in which reds can be convinced to vote blue, and while it isn't altruistic it approaches genuine altruism better than the majority of blues, who make their choice out of suicidal empathy stemming from entitlement, not care for others.Reds, I believe, will choose blue in a case that involves their families (or very close). It's a tightly knit, high trust group, and everyone has a clear and deep stake in the survival of everyone else within that group - genetically and socially. Under this condition, especially with the introduction of children/wildcards whose votes cannot be predicted, I believe some reds will opt to vote blue.
>>534097094I wouldn't be all against having a cutoff point at 100. Would probably improve things a lot.
>>534097094>So where do you put the line?75, where retardation is drawn.
>>534094781>>534094840what is the overlap in this group with the other such recent test:one box or both boxeshttps://youtu.be/Ol18JoeXlVIare you a one box or two box
>Get a gun and a lot of bullets>Hide near the buttons>Kill anyone that comes to press any of the buttons>Once I have killed everyone in the world I press the red button>Everyone is dead and I am the only human alive (so the only sentient being) in the universe thus making me GOD of all of realitySometimes I scare myself with how smart I am.
>>534094660If you want to live in a high trust society you would push the blue button, if you don't you push the red button.
>>534096152>billion could dieExplain why thats a bad thing. Keep in mind the distribution of races, ie pajeets would be the biggest slice out of say 2 billion dead.
>>534096649>basic logic is hard so i'm just gonna depict myself as a chad and you as a basedjak
>>534097130If my family would think about saving random niggers or jeets before saving themselves and their closest ones, then I failed as a human.
>>534094660Kills half of all nigger pajeets and chinks?Red button.
>>534096134Why not "Genealogy of Morals"?
>>534097094I got tested for 81 iq recently so anyone below 80!
>>534094840It's not a morality test, it's a retard test. Anyone dumb enough to risk their life over a coloured button deserves what they get.
>>534094660Why are you still talking about this?This one of those things that abject retards get obsessed with because it makes them feel smart?
>>534097151Being alone does not give you god powers though you subsaharan IQ nigger.
>>534096589>look at me! look at how selfless and charitable i am! i saved you all!red button, i hope you die in front of me too.
>>534097132That's roughly half of people in developed nations, only about 10% of the population would fall under 80 IQ.
>>534096727I would design the test like this:You have to press red or blue button, daily, for 99 daysRed button = no riskBlue button = if less than (day number)% press it, blue pressers dieThe more days it takes you to realize you should just press red, the lower the IQ
>>534097027The IRL scenario would still have a certain framing, similar to the one of the tweet and not to the exaggerated caricatures of the fanatical red button crowd. You can still insist that on a sufficiently abstract level the red button is optimal, but then you are the one who is lost in abstractions and others would be responding to the actual scenario in front of them.>>534097045That is not the scenario. If that were the scenario we wouldn't be having the discussion. You can insist till the cows come home to your sauna but your preferred framing is not the scenario under discussion.>>534097077I in fact do, and your response shows that you don't. Don't embarrass yourself further, my nigger friend.
>>534094660>selfish psychopaths who would KILL BILLIONS OF PEOPLE solely because they pressed a button of a different color.Noone is forcing you to press the blue button, you're responsible for your actions
>>534097162It's not about what you want to live in. The world you actually live in isn't "high trust" if that's what you thought. The world would look very different if it was actually "high trust." You live in a world full of chinks, jeets, nigs, jews, women and other people who don't give a shit about other people. That should be immediately obvious to you by just observing the state of the world.
>>534096847>>534096896>blue button has no rewardOkay but what if I want all the blue pressers to live? That's what the reward is, and that's what the reward has been for the whole time, dumbasses
>>534096310No, its an IQ test disguised as a morality test. The real test is not even which button you push, but figuring this out.Pushing blue proves you should not be included in any decision making, since you can't think with a clear head.
>>534097219>but what if I want all the blue pressers to live?Then they should have voted red.
>>534097173jeets are 1000% pushing red, jeets will literally kill their own family to stay alive for 2 more seconds.
>>534097204>The IRL scenario would still have a certain framing, similar to the one of the tweet and not to the exaggerated caricatures of the fanatical red button crowd.Yes, but in the IRL scenario you would have people ACTUALLY think about their own mortality. They don't have to actually worry about dying when they press a button on twatter to virtue signal that doesn't have any consequences.
>>534096804>Just. Don't. Push. Blue. It's that simple. You can only die by pushing blue with your own hand. So don't do that 4 head.You're doing that thing I mentioned before about saying things I've already said as if I hadn't addressed it already. Yeah pressing Red guarantee's your safety. Yes Blue can choose not to pick blue. But the logic tree isn't Passive/Passive where the two choices are independent. Red is ACTIVE it is AFFIRMING upon blue a condition that blue isn't affirming upon red. You're saving yourself but at the cost of a principle. You aren't hands off, with regards to what happens to blue.>>534096882This.>>534096906All I've talked about is the parameters of the hypothetical and where death factors in. I'm talking about the rigid structure of the logic here not the moral or ethical implications of either choice. At no point have I said choosing red is immoral/unethical or moral/ethical. Just trying to set straight what the ACTUAL hypothetical is laying out, rather than the copes I keep seeing.
>>534094660You’re only angry because its the ontological correct choice which guarantees survival. If everyone pushes that button nobody dies. So simple
>>534097172>>534097130I should amend and clarify that I'm not talking about a global situation, but a vote entirely within your family exclusively.Blue option probably gets even more red votes if the family discusses ahead of time on how to vote because it's the only way to guarantee 100% survival, and everyone has a high stake in everyone else surviving.
>>534094660Can I press red more than once?
>>534097193>That's roughly half of people in developed nationsSounds good.
>>534097219>Okay but what if I want all the blue pressers to live?Then you force them to press the red button instead. 100% chance of survival is safer than 50/50. Letting them be the victims of their own stupidity is irresponsible.
>>534097219Why would you want retards to live?
>>534097173>selfish niggers, pajeets and chinks would press the blue buttonlol lmao even, enjoy your brown world niggerIf anything, in a real world scenario, the majority would vote red because whites are minority.
>>534096295>So you’re telling me you have two paths in front of you, one is a nice, calm hike and the other one is full of rabid, hungry wolves. And you’d choose the path with wolves just to play the hero in case someone wanders in there by being an absolute retard? Mind you, you can only help the retards that wander in there if you manage to get enough retards in there to outnumber the wolves.That was actually a pretty cool way to put it
>>534097245You're just pilpuling, you slippery nigger. It's the buck breaking machine for you.
>>534097263>billions must die
>>534094660erm...so everyone should just press the red button?
>>534096310Survival of the fittest.
>>534097215There are more high trust areas, not a high trust world. The people pushing the blue button are people thinking about the survival of others rather than just thinking about their own survival. The people who are likely pushing blue at the highest rate are likely going to be white, where most of the high trust areas even exist.
>>534094660Disingenuous question that changed the experiment.This one obviously only has one choice as it removed an important part of the original.The original said that there are no 100%, if one button is pressed by all, everyone dies.This is a trick question which is supposed to make all choices equally valid.And is supposed to either subconsciously distribute people to a preferred color or in case of the US subconsciously connect a colour with a party.Despite the altered question you fell for it and outed yourself as a democrat OP.
>>534097175Because Beyond good and evil is philosophical and predictive, while Genealogy of Morals is historical and psychological and Nietzsche is right about the jewish psychological weapon they used against the Roman empire and it is the better book, but Beyond good and evil is more relevant to this discussion, also since it is aphorisms hitting hard
>>534097264I don't know, seems impractical. Bright side is it's nearly all of Africa and the Middle East through India. So maybe.
>>534094660why do people misunderstand the post.>only people who pressed the red button surviveso if everyone in the world presses red, then everyone survives
>>534096917it is statistically impossible that everyone votes blue. its a fool's gamble just to say "i tried".
>>534097204clearly you don't.But sure, you're very smart. Now press blue.
>>534097263Based
>>534094840>ingroup survival garunteed no matter what Vs>ensure outgroup has a chance at risk of suiciding ingroupYou are not italian
If I didn't want anyone to die I would pick blue. But I'm picking red.
>>534097337I don't see the problem. Sure, would be a bit of chaos for a couple of months, but then everything would be better.
>>534096908Yeah of course I expect people to go into danger that what society is all about if we can't trust each other we might as well and just end it now. Now that I think about it if this test was giving only to men the blue will win but if is given to females the red will win because females are unable to trust eachother or to cooperate that why they love psychopaths they see themselves in selfish men. Also it matters if the test is announced and we are all able to talk to eachother before hand.
>>534096981Retarded people should be killed
>>534097191Yes it does. Who's there to say otherwise if I am the only one left? Checkmate atheists.
>>534094660Red button: Libtards dieBlue button: You die/thread
>>534097235>>534097271It is literally impossible to get everyone to press red, and I knew this from the start which is why I pressed blue in the first place
>>534097297Thanks. I'll say, there is a certain satisfaction I get when a chud accidently compliments me by comparing me to a "slippery" "jew". Very high verbal IQ markers.
>>534097353nigger, only 50% have to press blue, not everyone, and everyone survivesdid you even read that shit?The one thing this puts into perspective, is that blues choose to save everyone regardless of their choice, whilst reds demand everyone to do like them or they die. Hence why reds are subhumans.
>>534097196>The more days it takes you to realize you should just press red, the lower the IQkek this is a good way of putting it
>>534097328Just curious
>>534097245No, you're overcomplicating it. Red = choose to live for sure. Blue = choose to (maybe) die. You and only you are responsible for this choice. If you choose to maybe die and then you die when you could have simply chose to live then that is just the choice you made and the consequences for that choice. You cannot control others. Only the blue presser is responsible for his death.
>>534097400>I gamble with my life for no good reason for the sake of retards gambling with their lives for no good reason.So you're objectively retarded then. You see a dumbass jumping off a cliff and the first thing that comes to your mind is "I better save him!" and jumping off the cliff yourself.
>>534097409Oh, I don't doubt you're a relatively high IQ nigger. Still very slimy and kike-like though, intellectually dishonest. Not a good person.
>>534097400You can accept people dying you know. You don't have to care. It's a global population, not your country, not your town, not your family.Care about the people in your life that actually matter.
>>534094840its simple logic test, button color doesn't matter at all, Press another and nothing changes and press other and only possible differing outcome is negative for you, as in you stop existing.Only mentally retarded selfdestructing pajeet would press one that doesn't guarantee nothing happening. So stuff your morality or any other philosophical cope shit back into your ass.
Blue.Won.Deal with it.
>>534097398Lol, this
>>534097245>Red is ACTIVE it is AFFIRMING upon blue a condition that blue isn't affirming upon red.So what? In the end, the choice is upon them.
>>534097244>Yes, but in the IRL scenario you would have people ACTUALLY think about their own mortalitySure, but even then you would have people who would press the blue because of the framing, resulting in a higher proportion of blue presses than if the scenario were presented with the red button as the default button and the blue as the risky button. Obviously way less than 50% would press blue, so I'm not disputing that red is after all the best choice. If the threshold were lowered, blue might be the better choice.
>>534097451>you're objectively retardednot if blue wins the majority, which it is :)
>>534097484red doesn't care if blue wins the vote, frankly a lot of reds, if not the vast majority, would consider that an ideal outcomeBlue cares a great deal about the outcome of the vote though, because you've locked your life to that outcome, and it's what brings out the innate immorality in you as a result.
>>534096917Listen you stupid fake fucking gypsy, You're literally arguing everybody has to vote in complete opposition to a colour or in favour of one choice OR they die while another group over there chooses to live and lives>he cries out in pain as he strikes you
Blue = not goycattleSage
>>534097535>We sheep no dumb because we many sheep! Duhhh!
>>534095256>>534096917why is anyone pressing blue in the first place? before all the saviors do it, who do they think they're saving? what is the presumption as to why anyone is pressing blue at all
>>534097568This is the most astroturfed thread I've ever witnessed >you should all roll 50 50 on suicide because it looks nicer
>>534097499BOTH Libtards and Christcucks die Pressing Red is an absolute win
>>534097600This is an astroturfing thread trying to rationalise suicidal empathy Think about it
>>534097448
>>534097600Stupidity
>>534097530Kek, yeah, I guess we could argue about surrounding parameters endlessly. But I still think that a more on the nose reframing would be closer to what people actually would experience if they were actually IRL faced with the choice. The combination of the vague framing on the twatter poll, with the freedom from consequences, is what would give probably the least realistic result.Anyways, of course most people on this planet would choose red. So it's not about morality or saving other people or anything like that. It's just about whether you want to die with the rest of the blues or not.
>>534097398I always knew she was based.
>>534097314yesThe only reason a red pusher would even try and change the mind of a blue pusher is for the blue pushers OWN benefit. It's unironically the more altruistic position.
If you were the first person, and knew so, to push either button give a good reason why you would push blue
>>534097639I'm posting that image all the timeHe also owned Nietzsche's walking cane
>>534097659The only reason someone should push blue is if they have someone they know, a friend, family etc and are willing to risk themselves for their retardation. But its frames as anonymous so there should be no reason to hit blue
>>534097450I'm not complicating it, I'm addressing the actual hypothetical lmfao.>Red = choose to live for sure. Blue = choose to (maybe) die.This is uncontested, nobody is arguing differently, the problem is there is more content in the structs that are being presented by the hypothetical. Blue is also a principle stance on affecting other people that differs from red. Blue = I don't want to be culpable for the deaths of others so I'll put my life on the line to uphold that principle, Red = I want to guarantee my survival and I may or may not care about the principle but at minimum it's subservient to my self preservation.Even looking at this very thread, the mind states of the two options are clear, Blue feels there is a principle they are reluctant to infringe upon, and red just wants to live. Personally I just want to live, but I'm not going to cope about the selfishness of that position lol.>Only the blue presser is responsible for his death.This is making the same mistake of assuming Passive/Passive =/= Active/Passive it it isn't.>>534097456Can't take it back now anon, It's Ok, we're anonymous here nobody will think less of you because if it, but you prolly want to get your jewdar checked.
>>534094660Red is the goy choice as kikes want people only thinking about themselves, not your culture or people as a whole. Blues are able to think about their friend, family, community etc. Reds only aren't able to think about anything outside of themselves. The societies that are surviving this are going ti be the crabs in a bucket societies where they never progress because all they can think about is themselves and never anything greater
>>534097600most blues value lives indiscriminately and conjure up (imho it was post-hoc but I digress) children, retards, elderly, etc. who push blue without understanding why that's not a good idea.It's a saviour complex, basically.
>>534097745>Can't take it back now anon, It's Ok, we're anonymous here nobody will think less of you because if it, but you prolly want to get your jewdar checked.I didn't say you're a jew, I said you're like a jew. All cheap rhetorical tricks and pilpul. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure this works wonders to bamboozle your fellow niggers. Doesn't really work all that well here.
>>534097530>If the threshold were lowered, blue might be the better choice.Introduce a gun to the table in real life scenario and tell people you might shoot them if they press blue and 100% will choose red, even the retarded ones.
>>534094781Blue pushers are all retards that risk their lives for nothing. In reality these people are worse and destroy their own countries for nothing.Remember Red: 100% survival rate for you and everyone smart enough to press it, Blue: You only survive if 50% retards risk their lives.
>>534097386You’re not getting it. The spirit of cooperation dies when there’s a completely safe choice available to everyone. Pressing blue becomes an unnecessary gamble, i’d even say that with the presence of the completely safe red, blue is a suicidal path.
>>534097745What part of you cannot control the actions of others do you not understand? You can never be culpable for anyone's death but your own in this scenario. The only murderers are the ones who murder themselves by pressing blue.
>>534095794kek
>>534095256>presupposing I want nobody to dieGo on, press blue, do it.
>>534096520>I asked my wife she said blue button>but then I told herWrong, she is dead you killed her by pressing red. Redtards always try to argue they don't care about people they murder but clearly that is false, and females do die.
>>534094660>>534097883>>534097883>>534097883
>>534097838The idea that red is responsible for blue deaths is derived from entitlement.
>>534097562Projecting again are you kike?Red majority sows division, blue majority is unity regardless of choice.Total kike death is coming soon shitskin.>>534097568This guy gets it, kikes took over the world and bait idiots into starting wars specifically because of red mindsets. This shit in Iran started specifically like this, when the best choice was for no one to attack anyone.>>534097398>muh american politics color transautismkek, they conditioned you retards perfectly to play by colors like little kids>>534097600Think about like this. If you have read even half of the new testament, you would know Jesus would vote blue.Now this vote is private you don't know who votes which, so lets presume Jesus is among us and takes part in the vote. Would you risk killing Jesus or anyone important to you if they voted blue, when voting blue yourself ensures that everyone survives?If your answer is still red, you are exactly what kikes want you to be.
>>534097803>Y-You're LIKE a jew!> Y-You're Slippery and capable of pilpul, but you aren't a jew!!Lmfao, ok anon.>>534097838>What part of you cannot control the actions of others do you not understand?Nobody said anything about control? Nobody is saying red is forcing blues hand, red is just a position somewhere between "I just want to live -> to all blue's aught die".Blue is the position of "I don't want anyone to die, even if I have to put myself in harms way to guarantee it"
>>534097707>He also owned Nietzsche's walking caneDid he carry it with him to all his photo shoots, or did his Jewish cosplay costume dept take it off him?
>>534097639>Size of that Jew's nose!!!
>>534098021My point is that you can't make their choice for them so you can't be responsible for the outcome of your choice. There is no culpability involved.
>>534097650Yes, it's funny to think about twitterers who now are more likely to be suicidally altruist because a twitter poll told them most people are also suicidally altruist. They finna get meme'd on by the real world consisting mostly of non-altruist non-whites lel
>>534098085>you can't be responsible for the outcome of your choice*you can't be responsible for the outcome of their choiceobviously
>>534097766>Red is the goy choice as kikes want people only thinking about themselves, not your culture or people as a whole. Blues are able to think about their friend, family, community etc. Reds only aren't able to think about anything outside of themselves. The societies that are surviving this are going ti be the crabs in a bucket societies where they never progress because all they can think about is themselves and never anything greater You're a suicidal retard and we have a button to fix that.
>>534097400why? what is the underlying presumption
>>534094840It's an intelligence test like the vax and YOU failed it. Suicidal empaths need to go.
>>534098085>My point is that you can't make their choice for them so you can't be responsible for the outcome of their* choice. There is no culpability involved.I'm trying yo figure out how to make this maybe more clear why the Active/Passive thing matters lmao.The culpability comes from the imbedded outcome of choosing red. It isn't JUST blue putting themselves in harms and incidentally dyeing, they only die if they choose blue AND red chooses to kill them. It's like if you put your neck down on a table and handed my a cleaver and at any point you could run away and i chopped you head off. Could you have avoided your own death? Certainly, but that doesn't absolve me of the hand I had in that outcome. I'm not passively existing here I'm ACTIVELY affecting you and that in logic is considered a meaningful distinction. If you attempted to use that as a legal defense for example you'd be fucked and held liable for murder. Culpability isn't a single held item it can exist amongst a plurality of people and to the degree you hold some, you ARE culpable.
>>534098085Your culpability is pressing red, saying blue should die to secure your safety. Think about it as a vote where if you vote for John he kills no one, but vote for David and he only kills people who voted for John, you're making a choice.
The real catch of this question is that your one vote out of all of humanity will never matter to the final outcome.. so you might just aswell press the red button as the vote's result will never be changed by one vote
>>534098499Based David
>>534098499blue is the one saying blue should die, actuallyYou feel entitled to being helped, that is not how real life works, you can feel that way all you want but it doesn't mean you get anything, all it does is breed the psychopathy and resentment you're already feeling
>>534098423>I'm trying yo figure out how to make this maybe more clear why the Active/Passive thing matters lmao.It doesn't. You're just wrong. You think you have some special insight you're trying to communicate, but I'm actually just telling you you're mistaken on a fundamental level.>>534098499>>534098423>A TROLLEY IS BARRELLING DOWN THE TRACKS>NOBODY IS TIED TO THE TRACKS>ANYBODY ON THE TRACKS WHEN THE TROLLEY ARRIVED WILL BE CRUSHED AS BY THE MIGHTY JAGARNATH>UNLESS ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE ON THE TRACKS TO CATCH THE TROLLEYDo you:>a. leap on to the tracks and prepare to make the catch?>b. stand clear?If you chose b are you culpable for the auspicious reincarnation of the trolley catchers?
Please son, you don't have to do this!
>>534098635>>A TROLLEY IS BARRELLING DOWN THE TRACKS>NOBODY IS TIED TO THE TRACKS>ANYBODY ON THE TRACKS WHEN THE TROLLEY ARRIVED WILL BE CRUSHED AS BY THE MIGHTY JAGARNATH>UNLESS ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE ON THE TRACKS TO CATCH THE TROLLEYThis isn't analogous. You're pretending their is some third phantom button that if pressed your vote isn't counted and so you are not part of the trolley situation (Passive/Passive) but it isn't You fundamentally don't understand the problem space. It's like if you were driving the jagnarath and could stop at any time but decided not to.>It doesn't. You're just wrong. You think you have some special insight you're trying to communicate, but I'm actually just telling you you're mistaken on a fundamental level.Like I said before, if you were to use employ your line of thinking in any legal scenario you'd being sent to prison lmfao. The red cope is unreal, you can just admit you want to life and don't give af about anyone else, it's ok guys.
>>534094660Test
Amerigolems marching towards the goyim meat grinder marchine to be turned into goy boxes. Die for israel goy
>>534098863>The red cope is unrealThere is no cope, only pity.
>>534098863Wouldn't it be more like if you were on the trolly and could get off at any time but you would have to lay on the tracks too?
>>534097766T R U K E
>>534095728This is some of the worst logic I've ever seen in action. Literally sub-human levels of reasoning.
>>534098863It's precisely analogous. It's the way you're thinking about it actually where there is a third phantom button or option to press no button, but there is not. You can catch the trolley (blue) or stay out of any trolley catching (red). You don't get to drive the trolley and there is no lever.
>>534098635That's a fundamentally different question, the unknown about who is pressing what button is the option about what you think about people and you would see who goes on the track, plus people will die regardless of how many choose to "catch" the trolly. >>534098602You trust people every day, you trust people not to run over you with their car, you trust people to not mug you in a store, you trust your city will fix water and sewage issues, that the person making your food at Tim Horton's isn't jerking off it it, you trust people to not rob you, low trust societies are high crime, the only way to live in any decent society is to have trust and actually rely on other people whether or not you think you are. The only way you can live in any functioning society is because people are helping each other and relying on things like food and power that they can do other things instead of worrying about providing that all for themselves.
>>534099016Everybody around is wearing mascot costumes that completely obscure their identities and cushion them enough that if enough are there there will be no casualties. Also you only have moments to decide and your helmet makes it hard to see, so you can't assess how many catchers are going for it.
>>534098948>Wouldn't it be more like if you were on the trolly and could get off at any time but you would have to lay on the tracks too?90% there, you aren't just On the trolly, you are driving the trolly or at least have a say on whether the trolly stops or not, but voting stop the trolly means you need to get on the track.This doesn't have any bearing on the sub discussion on culpability arising from choice, but with regards to the broader convo (as I mentioned before) the choice is of "principle" over self preservation largely. >>534098969why aren't you driving the trolley here? The vote isn't some incidental thing it's an active participation you have a hand in. Just like blue isn't just magically on the tracks, everyone is where they chose to be.
>>534099016Go to Chicago and leave your car unlocked.Then when it inevitably gets stolen, blame the people who told you to lock your car.
>>534099117Why would you be driving the trolley? You didn't set up the vote. The button is your choice to be on the tracks or not. The trolley is the mysterious force that kills blue-pushers.
>>534094781It's a lose lose situation. It should be blue all niggers die red all jews die
>>534099127This isn't analogous.>>534099187>The trolley is the mysterious force that kills blue-pushers.But only at the behest of the red votes. Again, you're pretending red is a phantom third abstain button. The trolley only works if enough red people vote red. There's more implication baked into the hypothetical
>>534099127That's why you don't live in low trust areas if you can help it, low trust areas are always high crime areas, red pushers are more than likely low trust people.
>>534099384Do you think the majority of people on the planet are high trust or low trust?
>>534099335That would be the case if the vote was elective, but it's not. It's explicitly laid out as everyone must pick one or the other. You didn't get to choose whether to participate, just as you are not in control of the trolley (unless you catch it).
>>534099335Blue presses the leading cause of death in button scenarios.If you disagree then you think things like "personal accountability" and "self preservation" are fake and gay concepts.
>>534099455>That would be the case if the vote was electiveNo, it would only be a case of passive participation if that abstain button existed where you weren't killed but you didn't affect the test outcome of blue either.> It's explicitly laid out as everyone must pick one or the other. You didn't get to choose whether to participateExactly, that's why pressing blue is a broader affirmation of principle rather than JUST suicide.>>534099497>Blue presses the leading cause of death in button scenarios.If you disagree then you think things like "personal accountability" and "self preservation" are fake and gay concepts.The law disagrees, See my Chopping block analogy above. If you put your head down and I chose to chop I would still be liable for the hand I had. You're acting like personal accountability is a singly held quality. iI isn't
>>534094660I need more information to make an informed decision. What is the make-up of the pool of participants? Is it literally everyone? Well... then red is a no brainer. I'm not leaving my fate up to the suicidal good-will of 3 billion chinks and poos.
>>534099596Your analogy is shit and you are overthinking yourself into a retarded position.
>>534099723How is the analogy shit? If you're having a convo about the consideration of personal responsibility and someone brings up an instance of WILLINGLY putting themselves in danger, but that danger only comes if YOU ALSO choose to align with their choice that's a completely resonable hypothetical.>>534099720This guy is at least honest lmfao.
>>534099596Let me give you one more scenario before we archive:>you are kidnapped and placed in a room>an intercom informs you that the room is about to be filled with cyanide gas>there are two other rooms just like it each with another prisoner>each room has two doors each leading to an anteroom between the room and the outside>any of you can exit through door a, go through the anteroom to the outside, and be free and alive>any of you can also exit through door b, go through the anteroom to the outside, and be free and alive>BUT>if only one of you picks door b he will be gassedAre you potentially responsible for a death by picking door a?
>>534099847it would me more analogous to say that if I don't chop your head, I have to put my neck down and possibly (most likely) let someone cut my head off too. If a person is coerced into killing somebody by threat of death, are they held legally responsible?Fucking dipshit. Just admit you were wrong and that red is the correct choice.
>>534099862>Are you potentially responsible for a death by picking door a?In this hypothetical? I would say yes, you are partly responsible for the death of any B pickers if you picked A knowing all that information.>>534100044>If a person is coerced into killing somebody by threat of death, are they held legally responsible?Legally? No, but that that is in regards to this specific convo, I already specified with respects to the BROADER conversation of free choice and personal responsibility the notion that someone else has part of the decision doesn't absolve you of all culpability. Especially if that person might only be there because they don't want to risk breaking some higher moral stance they hold in killing the person in front of them.Numbnuts I'm a red picker. Read the fucking reply chain. I'm just not coping about the fact I'm choosing ME over anyone else or any principle period.
>>534100236lol come on, bro
>>534100261Look. I get your stance, you think that putting yourself at risk of harm(death) means that you are relinquished of all duty/responsibility to try for maximum survival. I'm willing to admit I'm choosing door A cause I don't want to die, but I'm not going to cope that had I chosen B I'd know for a FACT I had no hand in the death of anyone but myself and I would rather live knowing that I could have than die hoping I did.I'm still partly responsible though.
>>534095995> Any sensible person will do the sameThat's exactly what niggers say about stealing and jeets say about scamming.You're a spiritual nigger/shitskin. Own it, you're a subhuman unfit for civilization or a white high trust community.You belong in africa where people think like you.
>>534100236>Legally? NoYou are a supreme fucking retard who can't stay consistent with your own logic.
>>534100376No, you're just invested in this argument and being stubborn out of 'tism.
>>534100415>You are a supreme fucking retard who can't stay consistent with your own logic.Dumbass your hypothetical and Mine aren't the same hypothetical. You are speaking to the specifics of this button problem. My analogy was to an anon saying I don't believe in the broader concept of personal responsibility. They weren't the same covno reeetttaarrrddd.>>534100455What are you saying "No" to? Everting I laid out there follows, and my mindstate in is accordance with my positions in that analogy and this entire thread.
>>534100410Imagiine trying this hard to justify your suicidal empathy.
>>534096674>>534096907>>534097130>>534097261It seems to me those who vote red are greedy.Those who are greed get resources for themselves.Greed leads to survival.Greed is good.
>>534094840I would vote red just because there is a chance it would mean you die. Hopefully painfully.
