>red pusher logic: You cant trust anyone>blue pusher logic: we should have a world where people can be trusted, the alternative isnt worth itWhich society would you rather live in?
>>534103647It doesn't really matter which one id rather live in, because the reality is I live in the low trust one
>>534103647Red>If everyone looked out for their own best interest everything would work out.Blue>I MUST endanger myself to prevent strangers from committing acts of suicidal stupidity. Everyone else’s wellbeing is my responsibility
>>534103847fippy bippy
>>534103849red because i hate you and the rest of normcattledom.
>>534103647your wishes are kinda irrelevant, the important question is which society you live in.also, in the society I'd prefer to live in I could press red and not give a shit because I can trust my fellow men to not be retarded and press the suicide button
>>534103647dude stop spamming this stupid question and stop eating your shit over pop culture "debates">yanny laurel>blue dress gold dress>red button blue buttonall the same cringe
>>534103849This. There is literally no reason for anyone to press blue, other than some weird form of virtue signalling.
>>534103647Blue pressers are low IQ.
which government faggot started this button shit?
>>534103647
Society would be much better off if we genocided red button pushers.
i'd maybe think only a society of majority bluepressers is gonna be able to make it longterm anyway and then just press blue. at least we had weeks to prepare for the test. if everyone got it right now i'd maybe press red
>>534103647In the end this is it the ultimate test. To be a red pusher and believe in Jesus is blasphemy.
>>534103647The one that values self reliance and personal responsibility.
I'm so glad /pol/ spends all their time on this. Makes things easy.
>>534103990Kek
>>534103990ultimate death gamble is also the only realistic zero deaths option
>>534103647trust requires some benefit. There's literally no upside to trusting that enough people are suicidal rather than just picking the "I want to live" button.
>>534103647>>534103990really points out that democratic politics is all about spin and marketing
>>534103647>>red pusher logic: I trust every rational actor to push the button that lets them live and not needlessly gamble their life.>>blue pusher logic: I forced all the toddlers I adbducted to randomly push buttons. Now you have to push blue to save the children.
>>534103647I push RED because better Red than dead
>>534104007>gambling your life away for a button press is ok instead of living for ChirstYou mock his sacrifice with every blue press
The majority of jeets, and jews will always pick red. People pressing blue would be mostly white, japanese, or from developed cultures. I'd rather stack the odds in favour of stupid nice people than self-centered browns. If I die, I leave a world that would be even more brown and jewish.
>>534103647NO ONE CARES
>pushing buttonsYou're still obeying your masters.
>>534103647The society with 50% less niggers.
>>534104089Love thy neighbor as thyself, or do you prefer that part didn't exist? It's always that way with yall.
>>534103647No. Its should we filter emotional retards who can't think ckearly or not. I say we should.FYI people like you voting is the problem.
>>534104081>>>blue pusher logic: I forced all the toddlers I adbducted to randomly push buttons. Now you have to push blue to save the children.thisthe only way it makes sense to push blue is if the whole thing is an evil thought experiment set in a world where toddlers are ripped from their parents and forced to make life or death choices
>>534103647All hypotheticals are for children, just shut the fuck up already
>>534104052We already took over twitter. You lost years ago.
>>534104160No shit. That's the premise of the question. It's not a logic puzzle, EVERYBODY has to vote. From geriatric gamgam to little Timmy-tarded to that newborn bay who has to roll onto one of the buttons.
>>534104145>neighbors all pressed redIm good
>>534104255Doesnt address your denial of Jesus
its fascinating how within the red frame every bluepresser motivation must be emotional or weak etc. you're actually barely engaging with the question, kind of equivalent to the bluepressers youre describing. you stop at some first order game theory insight just as they slam blue after the initial intuition of compassion. this isnt a fucking math question
>>534103647No one cares about whatever retarded cope you come up with for your suicidal empathy. The world would be an infinitely better place without you.
>>534104322>this isnt a fucking math questionIt is. You just deliberately refuse to see it so cuz its uncomfortable for you.
>>534104058You need to accept that not every death is preventable.
These numbers would change drastically if the outcomes were real.
>>534104123this. who is making everyone cast a private vote by pushing a button to kill everyone anyway? furthermore, with regard to gerrymandering, election fraud, and ballot stuffing fresh in everyone's mind, why would anyone trust the results of this private button vote anyway
>>534103647nah, everyone would push red. Red means you live eitherway. In ideal world everybody would chose blue, but you live in a world of niggers. Would you let your life be decided on a choise of a negro?
>>534104378yes im weak and emotional
how much money would red pressers need to be paid to hit blue and risk their life
I'm killing everyone that pushed either button The time of the omnicidal chad is upon piss earth
>>534103647Push Red.>Why?Non whites spam red and they outnumber whites by far more than 50%, so I'm dead if I push blue.
The thing is pol, objectively more brown people will vote redYou know thisYet you still pick redWhy?
>>534103647red
>>534104576You want to live in a world ruled by non whites then?
>>534103849>Everyone else’s wellbeing is my responsibilityYes. It literally is my responsibility to help people, even those are are harmed by their own ignorance. The blue button is worthless and no one should push it. I would still push it to help those who were dumb enough to push it. Only someone who's afraid of death wouldn't, but no good man was ever afraid of death.
>>534104295>I am the way the truth and the light none shall come before the father except if they pess blue Kek good one
>>534104598Catholic Jesus could descend to earth and tell the browns to not impulsively dismember each other and they still would do it.
>>534104678We are all gods children
Why not trust people to not be retarded enough to press the suicide button
>>534104672Don't have children.
>>534104598Picking blue doesn't change that you fucking dysgenic mongoloid.
>>534104751Because apparently "everyone" includes people who in reality you wouldn't let make life or death decisions and wouldn't even understand the choice they are making, like children and retards.
>>534103647Blue are performative monsters which have justified the red with their behavior when they are not feigning morals for a poll.
>>534104765I don't, that's what gives me the luxury of self sacrifice. If I had children they would become my highest responsibility, and the correct answer might change.
>>534103647In reality, 90% of people would push red.When they stand in front of the buttons and realize they might actually die if they press blue, they'll chicken out.
>>534104751Because some people will be retarded and it is our obligation to help them
>>534103990Think I'll go with the red button there.
>>534103647>Red pusher logic: I'm not going to die for someone else's stupidity>Blue pusher logic: If you don't vote for blue you are actively killing meIf you voted blue from the get-go, you are actively committing suicide if red overtakes you.I genuinely hate the logic blues use to justify their hatred of reds. It can be compressed down literally to just>If you don't vote for blue, I may be forced to face the consequences of my own actionsIt's crabs in a bucket mentality.
>>534104895I think the overwhelming majority of people who did press blue would only do so by mistake or misreading
>>534104852>want people to livemonsters!!! >only think about yourself and comfortable with billions dying>comfortable living in a world where billions are killed because of lack of trustliterally angels :)...
>>534104888I suppose you could argue that your small children might push the wrong button.
>>534104621It's not about what you want, that's what the world is like. White people are like 10% of the global population.
So far I haven't anyone explain why pressing blue isn't an unnecessary risk.
>>534104598Because I don't want to die?Also, I don't want to be a hippie faggot that "cares" about people like some SJW milquetoast cock sucker.
>>534105003>imagines billions would press a suicide buttonIf you add up chinks, jeets, muds, nigs, jews and women, that's like 95% of the global population.Max 5% of the global population would push the blue button. So quite a bit less than a billion people.
>trustI'm simply not an asshole willing to put other people's lives at risk because I decided to put my own life at risk by pressing blue.
>>534105003Human parasites require living hosts to survive and keep causing them suffering and will do everything they can to keep them alive.The host is logically entitled to remove the parasites which caused him harm.
>>534104943For most people who claim to want to press it, the blue button holds absolutely no moral weight whatsoever, because pressing it only solves a problem that the blue button itself introduces. It's not genuine self sacrifice, so it's merely performative.But for someone who recognizes the above as true and still chooses to press it to help those who were stupid or careless with their choice, it regains its moral weight and becomes an act of self sacrifice again. A good example of how the same action can be good or evil depending purely on the intention and knowledge behind it.
>>534104943that would be the only reason to press blue yes
what's funny to me is the red posters' reaction to knowing more people would press blue. they are upset that no one will die because of this hypothetical and cope by projecting and lashing out. reds really are the hateful, bloodthirsty animals. the irony of the hypothetical is that the world would be better without red pushers.
>>534103647red makes no claims at all
>>534105241>I want jews, chinks, jeets etc. to dieYou're literally Hitler, sweaty.
>>534105241>no one will dieAll you had to do was press red and not put you and your everyone at risk of death, you evil cunt.
>>534105241It's grim that the majority at least claims to push the suicide gamble button. Explains a lot of our problems really.
Almost 100 million retards in this country vote red. I'll have the opposite of the drooling retards, thank you
>>534105372something's wrong with your brain, anon. it's either reading comprehension or undiagnosed psychopathy.
>>534105241>reaction to knowing more people would press blue.They won't, there's no duress in a twitter poll.
>>534105216Both sides allow the possibility of death as designed by wording of the question. Nobody dies so long as 100% press red or if 51% press blue. If you press red you allow others to die, if you press blue you allow yourself to die. I can see blues pressing blue due to thinking it's much easier to achieve 51% over 100% "if the goal is for no one to die.", I imagine the logic is completely dependent on individual internal goals
you should also realize that many people will realize some pressed blue impulsively, and may therefore press blue strategically or in solidarity, which means blue is already closer to 50%, at which point you're already more meaningfully choosing between deaths and no deaths. but many redpressers dont engage with the question this far
>>534104955It'd be a lot more people than you'd think.It starts with retards and kids pressing blue.A lot of women would immediately push blue realizing this. You've seen the voting habit maps.Even more mothers too.Smarter people extrapolate that those people will press blue and are then presented with a moral choice.They can press blue to try and save them, or they can press red and live with the choice they made.Bonus points if those smarter people know people they care about will press blue.Keep following the logic and you realize all pushing red does is increase the chances some kids, well meaning retards, and altruists die.If blue loses the world is even more male, brown, and jewish than before.It's a lot easier to get 50% blue than even 99% red.The rational self-interested, ontologically evil, a lot of retards, browns, jews, a lot of chinks, will always pick red.The upfront logic puzzle dictates red. Extrapolating the consequences past >Red = I live = I winIs what makes the case for blue. You need to see the hypothetical consequences for the hypothetical outcome of the hypothetical vote to understand the whole question.
>>534104955on my first read i would have also pushed blue because the answer at first seems obvious: >blue = we all survive, obviously the right thing, only a monster would press redbut then i gave it a second thought>blue = we ALL survive! >jews. jeets, pedos, niggers, chinks, retards, pedos, >criminals, politicians, bankers, ceos>people who put ads into youtube videos>people who click blue buttons out of fear even>people who press blue buttons without a secondred it is.
>>534105216>But for someone who recognizes the above as true and still chooses to press it to help those who were stupid or careless with their choice, it regains its moral weight and becomes an act of self sacrifice again.So it's basically an elaborate trust exercise that never needed to happen.Anyone who voted blue are stupid, regardless of at which point they actively choose to press the button.>be patient zero>press blue button>expect other people to press blue to save your stupid aahThe more people that vote blue to protect the stupid/naive few who started voting blue are also the same arrogant people saying that reds are actively killing them. In a do-or-die situation where a button must be pressed, red is the only true answer; the bleeding-heart blues can all eat shit.
>>534105304Based
>>534105445>it's grim that the majority are high trust and the hypothetical confirms that it isn't suicideI hope your life improves, anon.
Obviously red is the best choice because you survive no matter who wins.
>>534103647>blue: death gamble>red: nothing ever happensHow fucking stupid can you be to think blue is a option? If you press red, no matter the outcome, nothing happens. If you press blue, you gamble your life away.
>>534105464My reading comprehension is great.>Push red>Nothing happens>push blue>Get put into a death race where you need to convince 51% of humanity to also press blue or they all dieYou are legitimate evil. You make the jews look good.
>>534103647Blue understands women and children cannot be trusted to press red
>>534103647>red pusher logic: I need to secure the future for me and my people>blue pusher logic: my people should cater to the needs of everyone else
>>534105241>what's funny to me is the red posters' reaction to knowing more people would press blue.In the real world most people would push red instantly except actual retards. Remember this is a fictional scenario, nobody dies either way so the question becomes exclusively one of signaling virtue.
>>534105561Women care much more about identity labels than men. Say that you hate niggers and she will be confused and ask you why? He's American.
>>534104412Canonically in this moral dilemma, the rooms, buttons, and sudden teleportation of everyone is a highly unlikely event that naturally occurs, manifesting out of the quantum foam. There is no evil jew behind the button, it's simply the uncaring forces of nature that you have to contend with.
>>534103647Theyre asking the world this.You are trusting your life with people who's skin is as low as the standards of your feculence.Save it for the toilet and vote red.
>>534105241>reds are just mad they don't get to kill anyoneI literally don't care if you live or die. I'm not putting myself on a sinking ship for your danger-prone hapless ass.
>>534105655That really tells more about them and their positions. They expect kids, tards and woman to press blue because they cant be trusted. They also believe that you can only press blue by mistake or by accident or by stupidity when its just as likely to press red. They would curse the so called "innocent people" that pressed red.
> Tell your brother or mom about this stupid meme> realise you love your family> dont implore that they choose red??? what is this supposed to demonstrate again about nuliberals?
>>534105642it's kinda funny how bad at logic and self-centered you are. you must live a truly lonely existence. no family? no friends? no neighbors that you enjoy seeing in passing?>blue is a death race>uhhh but wait, nothing happens with redthey can't both be true. reds see billions die if they are the majority. literally nothing happens if the majority presses blue.well...now that we know how eager reds are to die, that might not be true. there would probably be an uptick in violence after reds realize that they billions didn't die.
>>534105565>then i gave it a second thoughtGive it a third thought, chinks niggers and jews survive regardless, this question needs a TKD button where if it's majority blue there's a second vote for all blues to get rid of reds
>>534103647>we should have a world where people can be trusted, the alternative isnt worth itWe should not have such a world, per se, because diversity is a good thing. Just need to separate to keep things secure and high trust for all different groups.
>>534103647If everyone pushed the red button, nobody dies.The blue button pushers are evil. It's the perfect example of pathological altruism. If everyone pushed the red button, everyone would live with zero risk. But the blue button pushers can't abide that. They need to "sacrifice" themselves for an act to have some moral worth. They would rather risk killing everyone to make themselves look righteous rather than make the choice that would save literally 100% of the world.
>>534104058>Implying that zero deaths is preferableNah. People stupid enough to push the blue button SHOULD be eliminated. Blue pushers are low IQ, I would greatly prefer not to live in a society full of low IQ people.
Another blue cope is to change the thought experiment to allow you to know the button your kid pressed. They end the change there but cant imagine a single parent that has two kids with opposite favorite colors. Does the parent press blue and chance to leave their red pressing kid alone in a world filled with psychopaths as bluefags put it?
>>534105642do you think there are people here who dont follow this logic? the first order game theory insight of red always living?
>>534106000How would you feel if you had breakfast this morning?
>>534103921Yeah getting b8ed by empty distraction du jour is more retarded than picking either button
>>534104145I DO love my neighbors as I love myself, ergo, I would argue that they should all push red and not take part in this stupid suicide pact that the blue button represents. That would be the kind, loving thing to do for my neighbors - stop them from needlessly risking their own lives to virtue signal.
>>534104190Hypotheticals are for testing logic, which is very much an adult thing to do. You don't bother testing children's logic because most of them are illogical to begin with.
red shows red thoughts to blue : they appear redblue shows blue thoughts to red: they appear red
>>534104058Two problems. One, it's not realistic. You'd be lucky to get 20% of people to choose blue if their life was genuinely on the line. And two, zero deaths isn't necessarily preferable. Blue pushers are so retarded that their deaths would be eugenic.
>>534103647Red is the objectively correct choice. Blue pushers have this bizarre pathology that because someone else is trying to kill themself, you need to lock arms and use pseudo moral judgement and bullying to get everyone else on board.
>>534105606>the majority are high trustIn other words they are retards.
>>534104672I would be helped if you ran onto i95 at 5:30 p.m. EDT today
>>534103647You’ve properly represented team red but you’re blatantly lying about team blueFuck you, cunt. I don’t vote republican but I will NEVER vote against my own interests by picking democrats either. You fucks hate White men just as much or more than miganiggers. Eat a DICK
>>534104828Dying with them won’t help them.
>>534106000If they want to change the rules of the game, I have one that would bring them to heel.>Blue button>All blues survive>Red button>All reds survive>Purple button>Everyone survivesThe reason this thought experiment exists at all is because it has a Democrat V. Republican slant to it. They want the paint the "reds" to be the sociopaths they claim them to be, while the "blues" the saints.This thought experiment properly needs a third button to be as truly effective as they claim it to be.
>>534104322>initial intuition of compassionThe compassionate thing to do is to convince your friends and family to all push red, thus removing them from the death game. Intuition is NOT logical, and thus it is VERY often not the best decision to follow it. You can use intuition to inform your decisions, but you can use logic too. They aren't mutually exclusive.Emotional decisionmaking is why the world is so fucked up today. We have mass immigration because emotional people (women and faggots) can't think past "the poor browns are suffering!"
>>534106116Lol
>>534106322I do think they should have reversed the colors to remove associations with political parties.
blue button stays winning despite red button pushers actively trying to murder them in the name of "fuck you, I got mine"
>>534106324>The compassionate thing to do is to convince your friends and family to all push redThat goes against the premise of it being a private vote. You failed to understand the question.
>>534103647>>534103647How about "you can trust that you can't trust anyone". Then no one dies.That "everyone dies if we don't trust eachother" schtick sounds like "flatten the curve". Haven't you learned yet?
>>534104497Irrelevant: if I were uncertain as to whether there would be enough blue pushers to avoid death, no amount of money would convince me to push blue since I'd die and wouldn't be able to spend it, and if I were certain over 50% would push blue, I would need no money since my survival was guaranteed and it wouldn't matter which button I pushed.Now, if my vote, individually, would push the blue vote over 50%, meaning I literally held half the world's lives in my hand, I would demand ALL of the money to push blue. All money, from everyone who pushed blue, forever. Because the alternative is, I push red and they all die.
>>534106306Agreed.Blues killed them by shifting the goals posts and insisting they are involved.Blues are sick people.
>>534106426Blue pushers voluntarily chose to risk death. Red pushers aren’t trying to kill them. Red says, I can guarantee I live no matter what everyone else does, so I will do that. If some blues die that’s their own fault for choosing the option where they might die. I don’t want you to die, I want you to push red along with me and live.
>>534103647>Repulosers want you to choose red>Democukes want you to choose blue
>>534106426Red mentality seems very jeet coded.
shut the fuck up FAGGOT NERDS!
I’d press the red button to selflessly eliminate suicidal empathy from the greater human organism.
>>534106028I'd feel full. Now try and engage with the post I made here >>534105810
>>534106426Red button pushing isn't murdering you lmao, it's yourself who pushed blue. It's like if a retard swallowed some poison and blue pushers would virtue signal: wow can you believe people didn't instantly and magically coordinate to stop him from doing so , what kind of a society we live in ?!Blue pushing fails the empirical test, if people cared this much about others there would be no starving children, no wars nearly no conflict or borders, everyone would magically coordinate to help the other for free
>>534106523I'm pushing blue so everyone lives. If you push red you want me to die.
>>534104672>it is my responsibility to help peopleWhy? Help how? In what way? To prevent them from dying in a suicide game, unnecessarily, by... taking part in the game? That's retarded and insane. A far better way to help everyone would be to convince them that pushing blue is retarded and they should all push red, that way NO ONE risks death. There, you helped save them. Congrats.
>>534104322The only way it's a question at all is if it's a math question. If the button is only being pressed by people with agency, then there is no question. Just press red. If babies are being expected to press it, then it becomes a math, demographics, and developmental psychology question. You'd have to figure under what age it's an entirely random "choice" and how many people that is. Then look at the ages above that but under actual reason and puzzle out what decision that would lead them to make. And of course take into account retards too. All to solve whether or not it's even remotely possible for blue to win and save half of the babies or if it would just be guaranteed suicide.
>>534106459It actually doesn’t. Current ballots are private but you can decide ahead of time for whom you’ll cast them
Blue button:>chance to live or die depending on result Red button>guaranteed survival regardless of resultWow this is a really hard choice, you fucking retard.
>>534106619>modeling other povsholy
>>534104701That's because they aren't Christians and never could be. Browns don't have the spirit - every religion, to them, is just a cargo cult. Not joking, that is the highest understanding of religion that browns can achieve. The niggers in north Africa aren't muslim, they're the same animist, pagan, voodoo niggers they've always been, but they put verses from the Quran on their charms and bless their potions in the name of Allah and call it "Islam". Blacks and hispanics do the same shit with Christianity.
>>534106712So you dont care about saving people who are vulnerable?What makes you different from a jeet?
>>534106617>I don't want to murder you, the thing is, you see, is that, fuck you I got mine- is all, that's all I'm tryin to say. Blue pressers dying because I pressed red is NOT my problem.
>>534106760Ive already dismantled that cope bud
I have yet to hear an argument what separates white red pushers from indian red pushers. Both have the same selfish mindst
>>534103647Wait, but if everyone presses the red button then everyone survives. Why wouldn't you press the red button? The blue one is a potential suicide button.
>>534104728Are we? I'm not so sure. Why does the Scripture say "every plant that God has not planted will be uprooted" then? Sounds to me like there are a lot of "plants" (metaphors for what we call people) that are NOT God's children, they're the children of the Enemy. Reread the parable of the wheat and the tares and understand that it's not talking about literal wheat or weeds, it's talking about people.
>>534106760the resurrection of the dead is outside the realm of man's control. they chose to die.
>>534106622Unfortunately you're the retard for forgetting that you can't try to convince anyone else of a choice in the premise of the question, you're alone with your choice with no ability to influence anyone
If you press the red button, you're actively trying to kill the blue pressers because their % goes down. Press the blue button to save as many as you can, press the red to save yourself but doom everyone who chose blue.
>>534103647If everyone pushes red nothing happens!? I hope you are trolling OP.
Not wanting to save people is absolutely jeet behavior.
>>534105241>scenario involves at least all mentally capable adults being forced to make a life or death decision>this was accurately modeled by a consequence free twitter poll taken by a tiny minority of people
>>534106933You dont know that everyone will press redMany people will vote blueMost people in factTherefore blue wins because it guarantees everyone survives.We are saving the whole world
>>534106822Suicidal empathy isn't something to be proud of.
>>534103847Apparently that's not true doe
>>534104253How is a newborn or a coma patient gonna push the button moron?
>>534106546What's there to engage with? It's pretty spot on. It's simply easier to save the retards by going 51% over 100%. Everyone I like is a retard and I'm a retard for liking them.
>>534106760>all the people who were too stupid to press the red button, even though it guaranteed survival, will not surviveUhhh why should I care if they suicide themselves? Just press the red button nigga and you won't die, it's that easy!
>>534106690Do you expect every person you talk to about this to care or even remember a conversation with a sperg from forever ago if this were to actually happen. Do you expect a toddler aged kid to get that? How about the mother that knows their kid will press blue to get that?
>>534106986Empathy is what separates us from subhumans.I want everyone to live. Including sociopaths like you.
>>534103647Despite winning the poll, blue pushers are STILL on suicide watch and raging.Then again, we already knew they're utterly irrational.
>>534107046Even suiciders?Do you want even suiciders to live?
>>534104672Go have your life destroyed by an addict friend or a gambling family member or a psycho bipolar girlfriend. Then we talk
>>534107037>every personExcept anon specifically said his family and close friends, arrogant fucking moron. You’re too stupid to even notice that you moved the goalposts to the next town over.
>>534107009It's magic nigger. Everybody has to vote and that means everybody. The mechanism doesn't matter just that they have to vote even if it's decided randomly.
>>534103647I don't really get it. There should be an incentive to push the blue one like infinite energy and cure for all diseases. This is like a badly constructed Nash equilibrium setting.
>>534104921>some people will be retardedAgreed>it is our obligation to help themAlso agreed, but you don't help anyone by becoming retarded yourself. There's a reason airplanes instruct you to put your own oxygen mask on before helping others with their masks - because you help no one if you're dead.You want to help the retards? Be a better example to them - push the red button yourself, and then tell them to also push the red button. Or even force them to push the red button - they're retarded, they don't and won't understand the consequences of their decisions, sometimes the most loving thing to do is to be selectively cruel to stop a greater cruelty, the way a father will slap away his child's hand so the child doesn't touch a hot stove.
>>534107094It's red constantly reposting this same thread though
>>534107125It being decided randomly isn’t casting a vote. You have a severely misplaced attitude compared to your actual intelligence level.
>>534107112Yes. Everyone deserves life. I am truly a believer in all lives matter.Sociopaths, jeets, leftists, niggersYou may be a bad person, but you deserve to live.
red pushers: jews and zoggiesblue pushers: humans
>>534103647Yes, blue "people" are fucking monsters that would drag everyone else down with them. We know.
>>534107175Well then damn! You better tell those suicidal retards to push the red button so they live!
>>534107125>bluefags add "magic" to justify their stupidity You retards keep sinking lower and lower
>>534105697It's fictional, but it's a hypothetical designed to test logic. You're not supposed to game it by saying "it doesn't matter because it's not real anyway", you're supposed to assume it IS real and then act accordingly. Handwaving it off as fictional is missing the entire point of the hypothetical.
>>534107255No. I will vote blue to ensure everyone survives regardless.
RED=BADBLUE=GOODSIMPLE AS
>>534107308If everyone pushes red, then everyone survives regardless.Why would you tell people to push blue you homicidal maniac!
>>534107149It's just someone trying to do a prisoner's dilemma but being too retarded to make it work.
>>534107121It's not moving goalposts retard. I don't live in his walls, he could have an aged mother or literal baby for all I know. How does he expect to convince them? What if his friends have kids? You cannot account for everybody even if you tell them beforehand, it's impossible.>>534107163Then they vote through some magical unexplained phenomenon. You're arguing the mechanics of the hypothetical instead of taking it at face value. You could do that forever and never get anywhere that matters. It's like overanalyzing the fantastical parts of a movie. A hypothetical will nearly always look stupid, they're not meant to be realistic they're meant to make you think.
>>534105840>red sees billions die if they're the majorityIf everyone pushes red, no one dies. That argument falls apart instantly - convince everyone to push red. The retards that push blue regardless are not the kind of people you want to stick around anyway - they're emotional and illogical, which is exactly why the world is so fucked today: people like that having any say in how things are run.
>>534107046>Empathy is what separates us from subhumans.Except when it involves risking your own life for other people's mistakes. That's when it becomes suicidal empathy.
>>534107424>convince everyone to push red.Exact same logic as blue pushers retard, 51% is easier than 100%
>>534107382It is moving the goalpost, genuinely as textbook as it gets. I didn’t read the rest of your post because you’re stupid and add nothing. Too bad, so sad
It's an Aryan test disguised as an Izzat test.Of course almost all the POLJEETS failed.
>>534103647The people that voted for the blue button should be airdropped in the middle of some shithole in Africa or The Middle east, preferably alone and unarmed, and wearing 200k of the worlds most expensive jewelry, if they make it out after 1 month of trusting "one race, the human race" then they get 1 million extra dollars, if they die then oh well that really sucked.
>>534107345Because people are going to press blue because it ensure that everyone survives. Why would they press red if it means the good people that actually care about the wellbeing and safety of others die?
>>534107439Id rather have suicidal empathy then lack empathy 100%>>534107345We cant make everyone vote red, therefore we must vote blueI will save everyone over 90 or 80% of people
>>534105873That would be an interesting prisoner's dilemma sort of experiment, but the initial question is already taxing people's brains enough as is, a second order hypothetical like you're proposing would be way too much for most people to handle.
>>534107467>51% is easier than 100%It's much easier to convince people to push a button that guarantees their survival than push a button that will probably kill them LMAOYou are retarded
>>534103647red, because blue always leads to mass suicide whether the buttons actually work or not
>>534106984Why would anyone press blue? Press red, nothing happens.
>>534107424But no one will press the red button at 100% because they see the better option where everyone survives regardless of what button they press
>>534107551>convince>private voteA majority of women will kneejerk "but the children" and immediately push blue. Good luck reproducing.
>>534107515>>534107517Why couldn't you make everyone push red?Of course they would, except for maybe 5 suicidal retards.Especially when they see the poll numbers that 90% of people are going to push red.
>>534106986It's not suicidal if there are enough other empathic people to back you up, hence the appeal of pushing the blue button. The blue button requires the least amount of people to be on the same mental wavelength to save the most amount of people, where as red requires EVERYONE to be on the same page to secure total survival. If you think pressing the red button comes without risk there is a good chance you don't understand people. If you consider anything less than a 100% survival rate to be acceptable, you might just be a psychopath, especially when it requires so much less effort to attain than the alternative and only requires a reasonable risk. You risk your life every time you leave the house or get in a car, yet you still do so even when it could cost you your life.Think about how society works, if everyone did the right thing all the time and everyone made perfect choices we wouldn't need emergency services like police, hospitals and fire departments. Yet they exist and are made use of regularly. You can call blue button voters retarded or whatever you like but voting blue is, metaphorically, how civilization works. People often need protecting from their bad decisions and by the majority choosing to help them the bad outcome is avoided. It's only when the selfish minority becomes the majority do people actually suffer.
>>534107628No women will not press a button which might kill them retard
>>534107543This board is 90% browns and jews, so I guess you're right that they couldn't do more than one layer of hypothetical.
Time and again blue pressers rationalize their irrationality by insisting that literal toddlers too have to press a button. What kind of thought experiment is it? You're making it as insane and evil as possible to coerce everyone to press blue. That's what the blue presser's experiment is about. Because the blue presser cannot approach the experiment on the level of rationality where only people capable of making a decision press a button. They have to stack it in their own favor by forcing newborn babies to push a button. These are the people who call themselves empathetic, by the way. These are the people who've appointed themselves as the good people of the earth. These people who insist people MUST make a life-and-death decision even when they don't have a brain compatible with making such a decision. All so that they themselves can prance on the internet as good people who just want to save everyone because that's how good they are underneath the cruelty, tyranny, and irrationality.
>>534107629But the polls shows the majority vote blue everytime It is logical to push blue.
>>534107629Well then you’re not thinking holistically about everybody, and you press it and reality shows that most people press blue. So why press red unless you’re just an inconsiderate person that wants everybody who presses blue to die?
>>534107704>Women doing things for their own safetyLolLmao
Push BLUE or your mother will die in her sleep tonight
>>534103647I'm a red pusher and that isn't my logic at all. I simply push the red one because there is no downside to doing so. It's the least risky of the two options and I'm a generally risk averse person.
>>534107865The downside is many people will die if you and other people with your mindset dont vote blue
>>534107774>the hypothetical polls in this "prove you're a good person" test show people press blue to prove their a good personWow I'm sure that won't change if pressing blue had a 50% chance TO ACTUALLY KILL THEM you fucking retard.>>534107794>So why press redBecause it guarantees my survival, you DO want me to survive right anon? So you'll agree and tell me to press red right anon?You'll tell everyone to press red so they survive instead of gambling with blue right anon?
>>534107704That would be the funniest thing about this test. The male feminists that chickened out of pressing the blue button would walk out to find that nearly 100% of women of all races and creeds are still alive.
>>534106619Nonsense. If you push blue, YOU want to die. I choose not to care. That isn't me, a red pusher, killing you. That's you, a blue pusher, killing yourself. You don't get to pin moral blame on others for a decision you yourself made, that's not how morality works, and red pushers wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over your demise in the name of "signalling that you're a good person". A truly good person would push red and tell everyone they love to also push red.
>>534107935Have you considered most people are good people and you are just evil?
>>534107511Ironic since it's red-pushers who want that world to exist everywhere.
>>534107903When I said "no downside" I meant no downside for me personally.
>>534107945But blue wins in the end, because most people are rational decision makers. Everyone lives, no one dies. Go blue.
>>534107517>Id rather have suicidal empathy then lack empathy 100%Neat, because you don't have to choose between these two. By the way, in the real scenario you would 100% press the red button anyway.
>>534107800Yes women are not natural risk takers.
>>534107981So you are no different from a violent nigger who only thinks for himself.Thats what separates red fron blueRed voters literally are just jeets. Ofc pol fails because its full of jeets
>>534107945If I knew everyone I hated would press blue then I wouldn't hesitate for a second in pressing red with the intention to get rid of them. You're just a pussy offshoring guilt and responsibility unto your victim.
>>534108012I will always vote blue because I will always do everything to save people because Im a good person.
>>534107952You're the one trying to get people to gamble with their lives by pressing a button that might kill them, you're the evil one bud.
>>534104089>Here Is your red button and your greatest allyLol , even lmao
>>534107774You don't know the vote when it happens. Trusting virtue signaling Twitter retards its moral
>>534107935Well most people are pressing blue, so you’re just a psychopath that doesn’t care about anybody else but yourself and you have no sense of self sacrifice for the greater good of things.
>>534107774Yeah the same polls that said Hilary and Kamala would crush blumpf, jews and their golems lie through their teeth as easy as they breath, it means nothing.
>>534107945>Talmud, Choschen Ham 425, 5: It is permissible to kill a non-Jew indirectly, for example, if someone who does not believe in the Torah falls into a well in which there is a ladder, the ladder must be quickly removed.Literal Talmud logic.
>>534108065>everyone I hatedSo most people.And you will lose.Because blue wins everytimeRed voters are just mad they cant kill us. You’re stuck with us, bud.
>>534108100No they aren't lmao If you care about people then tell them to press red because there's a 100% chance they will survive.
>>534108083There is no gamble if ya vote blue you ding dong>>534108099>>534108116More people not understanding not everyone is a sociopath like them. Sad
Red, because it is implicit in human nature to not trust others. That's how we made it to the top of the food chain. If you are relying on a biological imperative to decide whether you live or die, wouldn't you rather go with the safe choice? This thought experiment is blue pilled AF.
>>534108050If that's how you want to frame it to feel better about yourself, the go right ahead. In reality though it's just my self-preservation instinct (which every human should have) kicking in and picking the option that guarantees my survival.
>>534108130Correct, everyone I like would press blue and everyone I hate would press red, I care about my retards that press blue so I'll also press blue with them.
>>534108095>if I dont press blue someone else will Kek
>>534108021A woman will push red and tell everyone she pushed blue.She will then join a march, condemning red pushers.
>>534108153Reality shows a different result than what you expect and people have enough self sacrifice to ensure everybody’s survival.
>>534108171There's no gamble if I vote red you ding dong
>>534106924Then I push red. I'm not the one killing everyone, it's God or some arbitrary force of nature doing it, there's no moral failure on my part to push red. Would this potentially mean that some people I care about, who pushed blue because they're retarded, die? Surely, but that could happen anyway - your wife and kids get killed in a car crash with a drunk driver. Wasn't your fault.I'd be sad, of course, but I'd also realize there was nothing I could have done to save them anyway. Pushing blue myself would just be putting myself in the car to die with them. That's insane. Where there's life, there's hope. I could get a new wife, make more kids. Make new friends.You're trying to pin the moral blame for a mass casualty event on individuals, instead of understanding that this is an act of God and red pushers are not the reason for the retards to push blue and die.
>>534106861Picky and choosy about the core teaching of Christianity are we lol
>>If everyone looked out for their own best interest everything would work outNaive idiot. That is why we are here now in the real world, not your stupid scenario. Retards, just absolute worthless retards
>>534108205What you need Is a third party that Is not jewish, keep presing the button goy
>>534108186You are a sociopath, but thats ok, because I will still risk my life for you.>>534108184>its human nature to be sociopathicRed logic is amazing.>>534108199Mhm.
>>534103647>Which society would you rather live in?Thats not the question. Id rather have a ten inch dick. I dont. What you'd rather the world be like is inconsequential to the way the world is
>>534108225>reality >people have enough self sacrifice What did they sacrifice in "reality"?Moving their mouse 1cm further to pretend to click a button?
>>534108211Every red pusher, man or woman, would be smart to do that though since the aftermath of such a scenario would likely be blue pushers attempting to genocide red pushers for being "evil". So yeah, push red and then lie about it to survive the inevitable purges that will follow if blue wins.
>>534108300You must have a fully developed brain to post on this site.
>>534108232People only die when there is a large enough disagreement. Pushing red increases the size of the disagreement, increasing the chance people die. The force that created the vote, and the people the pushed the red button are both responsible.
>>534108276How does not wanting to die make me a sociopath?
>>534104672>. It literally is my responsibility to help people, even those are are harmed by their own ignoranceWhy? Why do I owe anyone else even a single thing?
>>534108339not an argument champ
>>534103647member the moral dilemma from the dark knight movie?
>red or blue>"Compulsory voting is moral and valid"I don't want to live in a society with people who voted either way, but at least the people who voted blue recognize that just because someone refuses to vote doesn't mean they should be fucking killed.
>>534108342If the force responsible for this wanted everyone to push blue, then maybe that force should have attached some kind of downside for pushing red if red loses the vote.
>>534107611It's only a better option if 51% of people push it. Do you trust that half the world would push blue? I do not. I ABSOLUTELY do not. Niggers, jeets, kikes, arabs, they'll all push red. Pushing blue would do nothing but kill me, whereas if I push red, I live to combat the impending shitskin dominance after the blue pushers, which, let's be honest, would be almost entirely Whites, would all die because Whites are like 8% of the global population.
>>534103647They should make the buttons different color to get rid of peoples internal bias and then re poll. Like purple and yellow or something.
>>534108360Its doesnt. Youve hir the end of bluelfag cope when they start name-calling
>>534108276Human nature requires self-perseverance. We don't biologically operate as a collective, despite what you want to think. Human beings are naturally self-centered and will never trade their own survival for a chance others will survive.Your logic pans out for insects and certain mammals, though. Take for instance the concept of sexual cannibalism. Species that practice this seem to instinctively recognize the continuation of their species outweighs their own survival. Humans are not like this. We will always choose the self over others in matters of survival. It has been proven time and time again. Example: the Milgram experiment.
>>534108360Maybe not a sociopath then, just stupid and selfish. Better but not much better.
>>534108473The downside is the death and world that comes after. The only people that die are the unassuming and the altruistic. You have a very talmudic mindset.
>>534108571The question still stands: how does not wanting to die make me stupid and selfish?
>>534108571The sociopaths are these niggas tryna get people killed by shaming them into pressing blue
>>534108564>We don't biologically operate as a collectiveYou are brown.
>>534103647>guranteed survivalvs>beta trust everyone else will make the same choice to surviveRed. Simple as.
>>534108564>we will always choose the selfBut everytime this poll is asked blue wins, usually around 58%. Why is that?
>>534103647Red logic>Nothing happensBlue logic>I'm gonna tie myself to the train tracks and selfishly make others gamble to save me
>>534103647>push the blue button >insult and gaslight others, because (You) yourself made the choice to push the blue button What causes this?
>>534108602better tell those niggas to press red so they don't die then
>>534108606Because you arent willing to sacrifice yourself for the good of societyThat objectively selfish.Maybe it cowardice mixed with selfishnessBur selfishness nevertheless
>>534103647Honestly I'd be pushing the blue button. If there's a world where only the red button pushers survive, I don't want to live in it.
>>534108428The one thing everyone missed from this scene was the possibility that the detonators could have been rigged to blow up their own ships.
>>534108665>private vote(You)
>>534103977They literally fell for a false consensus crisis, framed as a prisoner's dilemma (except this time the other option is you both walk out of the jail cell with absolutely no harm)
>>534108602Except by all accounts, blue is likely to win the vote. I just choose to push red as an insurance policy just in case red defies the odds and wins. If being smart and taking the action that guarantees that I, personally, can't lose no matter the result is "talmudic", then I guess I'm guilty as charged.
>>534108634voter logic>it's the most important election of our lives!non-voter logic >if you say it's compulsory for me to vote or else you kill me (and even if I vote, you'll probably kill me anyway), then not only do I refuse to vote, I will kill you for threatening to kill meStop participating in democracy. It is a system of control that is bent on the destruction of your freedom and life.
>>534108695Red pushers dont understand that a society where only selfish fucks live will be miserable. They are not different from jeets.
>>534103647I press blue because I know all brownoids will press redBetter to die than live in a world dominated by indians
>>534108631because they won't actually die for pressing the wrong button lmao You don't think the chance OF FUCKING DEATH could sway a poll 8%?
>>534107903That's their downside to deal with, not his. If you want to trust that 51% of the world will push a button that has a chance to kill them if OTHER people don't also push the button, that's on you, but that is what we in the biz would call "suicidal empathy", literally in this case.
>>534108631Because moral prerogative acts as rose-tinted glasses in the face of hard logic and scientific inquiry. People want to believe others will look out for them. The reality is morality is merely a human concept afforded out of convenience for operating in a civilized society (as this thought experiment is trying to highlight), not a product of evolution. This means if people are forced to make the choice with no pressure or consequences, nature would win.
>>534103647This gay larp exposes how little anyone knows about math>red buttonPressing this does nothing at all and is the solution >blue buttonPressing this fills up a potential function. When that potential exceeds half of the red pressers then everyone dies. Any other answer is tard logic
/pol/ is filled with fucking bots.Are any of you motherfuckers real people?
>>534103647Jews tell Whites to push blue then push red themselves
>>534104497One (1) jellybean
>>534108679This assumes that people have an inherently duty to advance the interests of society as a whole. No such duty exists though.
>>534108722>you can't discuss the private vote>he says in the thread for discussing the hypothetical private vote>you won't be able to tell people how to vote>he says while trying to argue for how people should vote
>>534108769Then you accept the risk of having been partially responsible for the world that comes after should blue lose. What was talmudic about your choice is that you demanded payment for trying to keep things from collapsing.
>>534108897When did I demand payment for anything? Are you sure you're replying to the right person?
>>534106502>Irrelevant: if I were uncertain as to whether there would be enough blue pushers to avoid death, no amount of money would convince me to push blue since I'd die and wouldn't be able to spend it, and if I were certain over 50% would push blue, I would need no money since my survival was guaranteed and it wouldn't matter which button I pushed.>Now, if my vote, individually, would push the blue vote over 50%, meaning I literally held half the world's lives in my hand, I would demand ALL of the money to push blue. All money, from everyone who pushed blue, forever. Because the alternative is, I push red and they all die.
>>534108807Its not an easy choice, but the good of society is the best choice.>>534108820Suicidal empathy > lack of empathyIf you aren’t empathizing. You got issues>>534108829But there is pressure, pressure of your peers dying. We cannot let this happen.
>>534108130>just mad they can't kill usThe blue pushers literally don't factor into my decision to push red. At all. I'm not considering them. I don't want them to die, but I ALSO do not wish to die. I don't trust that half the world would push blue - I believe more than half the world would push red out of self-interest, ergo, I will also push red.It isn't about blue pushers dying. Check your ego. It's about me NOT dying. The good news is, if I'm wrong and half the world DOES push blue, I survive anyway. There's literally no risk or downside to pushing red, so I'm gonna push red. Simple as.
>>534103647I don't get the point of that shit aside from rustle jimmies and maybe let people slowly accept that not everyone should vote.Tap sign anon did it again!
>>534104598>polYou have to go back
>>534108895You dont have an obligation to not be a sociopath, you can if you want to, you can be a corporate lawyer, corrupt politician etc. no problem But society will hate you for it.
>>534109021The good of society is achieved if everyone presses red AND it IS an easy choice
>>534104497A chance to walk outside without a mask (that no one enforces) or maybe 1 krispy creme donut most likely
>>534109090Still wondering how not wanting to die makes me a sociopath...
>>534109094Even 1% not pressing red means you should press blueNo one should die
>>534108962You're right, I misread the last part of your post and I apologize. This>Then you accept the risk of having been partially responsible for the world that comes after should blue lose.Still stands. If you're okay increasing the odds of the world being even more brown, male, and jewish then you're allowed to do that.
>>534104058>realisticlol noanyone with an IQ of 85 or lower wouldn't even be able to understand how the blue button works and would simply press redthey'd get hung up on "if I press red I survive", then probably ask if they'd get some kind of prize for pressing blue like a bet, but since the answer is no they'd simply pick red because it's the obvious correct choicemidwits and smart people would be a 50/50
>>534109118How would you feel if you didnt have breakfast this morning?
>>534106617>Red button pushing isn't murdering you lmao, it's yourself who pushed bluewrong, because children and babies cannot push either button, and the rule is if less than 50% push blue, then only red button pushers surviveso there goes 100% of the white births for the last few years alone dumbassthis is honestly the only reason I would push red, so I could mass murder the rest of you knowing that you are all guilty of ontologically evil minds and nothing I did to you would be unjustified
>>534109090people should not blame an abstract entity called "society" for their problems, but rather take personal responsibility
>>534109138Yes no one should die, so stop telling them to gamble with their lives by pressing blue you fucking psychopath!
>>534108342I could, and do, argue that that same logic applies to blue pushers: if you pushed blue, YOU are responsible for what happens to you should enough other people not push blue. That was YOUR decision, not the red pushers. You could just as easily have pushed red and never taken the chance to begin with.It's not gonna work, blues: the reds are NOT responsible for YOUR choices. You threw yourself into the fire, why the FUCK is it my responsibility to save you from your own retardedness? That's right, it isn't. Blue is a suicide pact, and I'm not going to cry when people drink the koolaid praying the poison is watered down enough to not die - I'm just not gonna drink any koolaid.
>>534103647If everyone pushes red we all live so red is the most logical choice
>>534109014What if you chose the red button then started pressing the blue button rapidly hundreds of times and instantly kicked in total population death>hey you only get one choice>stop what you're doing ACK
>>534108697thats not the point. its about trust & judgement.
>>534103647Red pusher logic is: blues deserve to die for being retardedDon't get caught up on the correct game theoretic justification. The red button is getting pushed to kill you retards.
>>534109222There is effectively no gamble as blue wins every time>>534109216Not taking personal responsibility doesnt mean you should die.
>>534109187But I did have breakfast this morning...
>>534109254This is true but it's a cop out. I want 49.99999999999% of them to push blue.
>>534103647the red button only assures YOU don't die but the blue button means NOBODY dies. are reds just talmudic to pick themselves over the greater good? you have family and friends that would push blue so by pushing red, you're saying you don't care if they die. the fuck is wrong with you niggers? the jews aren't holding you back from getting a gf, you're just a piece of shit with an irreparable disdain for humanity that most people don't have.
>>534108631Because it's not a literal button that will literally kill you if you choose poorly. It's an internet poll - it costs nothing to virtue signal by pushing blue.If it were a real scenario, the numbers would sway HARD into red territory. Survival instinct is just that powerful in humans.
>>534109353But blue wins everytime.So you dont get to kill us.Sorry buddy, everyone lives <3
>>534109372>blue wins every time
I want to live in a society that is less overpopulated with evil omnivores. Go vegan or die.
>>534108820You look at this from a very non-white mindsetIf you press blue, you're betting the world is at least 50% human and is willing to put their money where their mouth is in the name of a total success and nobody dying. You can easily make a better world when you know for a fact that over half of everyone is willing to die for it.By pressing red, you admit you're an Indian only capable of thinking inwardlyIf you press blue and die, you win by not having to live in a world populated by selfish animals pretending to be peoplePress red and the blues die, and you get to live in hell on earth as everyone with the altruism to keep the world functioning is now deadEnjoy mad max with nogs
>>534109244you would die, see >>534109198
>>534103647I press both. Fuck your fabric of reality.
>>534108631That's an awfully small margin in a poll about a hypothetical with nothing tangible at stake. If this choice was real, far more people would press red and probably enough for red to win easily.As the other anon mentioned the Milgram experiment, it's also a good reminder because most people would never think they're capable of choosing to hurt or torture innocents. They sincerely believe that to be the case. Yet in the Milgram experiment that's exactly what they did, like clockwork. Most people that stopped long before the end had nonetheless inflicted potentially lethal shocks. Very few people quit right in the beginning or very soon into the experiment.
>>534109029Good people don't let children vote or have full autonomy. Good people prevent them from making unambiguously dangerous decisions.Like children, many blue pushers lack the ability to reason out a trivial logic puzzle. The smarter of them argue you must push blue to save these people who couldn't figure out the obviously correct choice. They are a danger to themselves and others.They shouldn't have any decision making power in a functioning society, for their own good.if anything, the thought experiment exposes the folly of democracy.
>>534108793Red pushers understand that society is ALREADY inundated by selfish fucks. There won't be enough selfless blues to survive the test. The red pusher position is very simple: even if you ARE relatively selfless, you should push red, because pushing blue almost guarantees that your selflessness dies and there will be NO ONE to counter the selfish fucks.
>>534109406I would tell my family and friends to not gamble with their lives by pressing some button that might kill them.Why are you trying to tell people to gamble with their lives you fucking psychopath?
>>534103647It has nothing to do with trust in other people. You still don't understand the game, dipshit. It's about taking on unnecessary risk for no reason.
>>534109372pressing blue is your personal responsibility. you pressed it, you face the consequences. no one forced or pressured you. you could just press red, but you choice possible death. that's on you, not anyone else.
>>534109501what bothers me about that experiment is nobody chose to not only refuse, but neither did they attempt to free the supposed victim and expose or punish the people responsible.
how can redfags ever recover?
>>534108896Few are going to consider what happened in a slide thread when making a life or death vote. Most will immediately vote with their gut instinct and not even see the puzzle. For the selfish that's red. For the altruistic that's blue. People are allowed to push red. I'm arguing for the logic of pressing blue which the majority of people here fail to grasp. There's more than a logic puzzle.
>>534109422would you still push the blue button if it was real and not a xitter poll? of course you wouldn't. it's easy to virtue signal about a hypothetical online. if this was real it would probably be an 80-20 situation, where we instantly rid ourselves of 20% of the dumbest retards.
>>534109406>if i dont press blue someone se might Cuts both ways kike. The risk is specifically stipulated in the blue. You niggers just need someone to blame and the thought experiment gives you one in the red button
>>534109596Im perfectly fine with risking dying to save everyone in society.
>>534109697>I'm arguing for the logic of pressing blueWhy would you tell people to press a button that might kill them you freak
>>534109514It's not a guarantee, that's the entire pointYou press blue because you believe in humanity and what it could beYou press red because you're brown and live to wallow in your own shit
>>534109674>we bluefags are arbiters of what is morally rightKek is that why current society is chopped?
>>534109798Alright but keep that shit to yourself niggerStop trying to get other people killed by convincing them to press it too!
>>534109798>t. Ryan Carson
>>534109511>le logic puzzleEverything is a logical puzzle for someone devoid of any sense of morality.
>>534109843Except that the goals of pressing blue could be achieved by pressing red so there's absolutely NO VIRTUE for humanity to take that risk
>>534109674Blue is a suicide button for the low IQ. It just has added randomness.
>>534109021>suicidal empathy > lack of empathyFalse dichotomy. You can have empathy but not to a suicidal level. Empathy doesn't mean you MUST throw yourself onto the pyre with everyone else, it means you understand WHY they're throwing themselves onto the pyre. You can override it with the simple logic of "I don't want to die, even if I understand why these people are willing to risk it, so I won't do so".Empathy doesn't make you a slave to others' emotions. Suicidal empathy is when you ARE a slave.
>>534109514A selfless person that pushes red stops being selfless. They widened the margin and are partially responsible for the death of the selfless people who didn't pick red. Every individual that pressed red is partially responsible because a 100% vote for either button means survival.
>>534109798No you aren't. You aren't doing that now.
>>534109793>virtue signalthats all there is to it.
>>534109118Because they're a suicide cult, Anon, and you aren't willing to drink the koolaid with everyone else. It doesn't make you a sociopath, it makes THEM sociopaths, and they're trying to shame you into drinking the koolaid. You're good, Anon. Don't listen to these crazy blue pushers.
>>534110010A selfless person who tells people to gamble with their lives by pushing blue stops being selfless
>>534109406Not how it worksReframe the game as physics levers.If *at any point during the game* (not just the final outcome) the lever for the red side has more mass than the blue side everyone on blue dies. Any other state of the lever results in nothing happening.Why would you choose to the blue side at all it would just result in instant death if the first two players are on the red lever side.
>>534109945>Come lie down in the grave with us anon
>>534109862>we bluefags are arbiters of what is morally rightIts definitely not redfags, thats for sure.
>>534110010You should be killed in real life. Luckily, you're in Canada so you're already doomed. How about that, Mr. Selfless Poopjeet lover?
>>534110010Is it selfish to pick the same color as your kid if you know his favorite is red? Do you risk dying and leaving them to rot in the so called "low trust" Society?
>>534109528it's not an IQ test retard, it's a morality test and redniggers are failing it. by pushing red, you're already talmudic signaling you're okay with 49% of golden rule blues dying so stop pretending you give a shit enough to try convincing anyone else to push red. most people in any given sample size live by the golden rule and not your talmudic values, so it's an uphill fight to argue normies into voting against what their good nature tells them to do, your family and friends included, to reach the minimum 51% threshold. the logical AND ethical choice is unambiguously blue.
>>534110087Red chads are telling people NOT to gamble with their lives
>>534110084>Come enter the burning building with us anon
>>534110156The moral thing to do is to tell everyone to avoid pressing the button that might kill them.
>>534109464>enjoy mad max with nogsGonna be a blast. You assume that outcome scares me. It does not. In fact, that's kinda the outcome I would hope for. What could be more fun than hopping in the truck with your boys (who also pushed red because they aren't retarded) and riding down endless nig hordes, then retreating into the woods when they get a group to retaliate?It would be a repeat of the Boer Wars. A few white dudes in short shorts inflicted thousands of nigger casualties and took essentially zero casualties themselves. Maybe that frightens you. To me, that sounds like fucking paradise.
>>534110193>except there's no one in there who needs rescuing, it's just other firefighters going in there to prove they would
>>534110156By choosing blue you select for death. By choosing red you opt out of the game completely and refuse to play with people's livesNow what would Jesus do
>>534109950You can't control other people thoughThey're going to press blue regardless of what you press, because they're human and want to save everyone, no matter the risk to themselvesYou insist on red because you aren't
>>534110156It is an IQ test. You have been found to be low IQ. This is why you deserve to die after you push it.
>>534110193Twist: the burning building was empty until you ran in.
>>534110156>press blue>die>go to heaven>Expect your good boy reward >um gambling your life on a bottom press is still gambling and thats a sin>b but my intentions were good>ever heard the phrase "the path to hell is paved in good intentions"Kek
>>534110337So? Better to risk it than abandon someone to die that you could have saved.
>>534110440If you run into an empty burning building, I'm not coming in after you.
>>534110305Yes I can't stop people from suiciding it's true, but you sure as fuck shouldn't ENCOURAGE THEM to suicide you fucking psycho!
>>534109798Good for you. Why then are you crying because others aren't willing to take that risk?Because you're virtue signalling, that's why. You have to convince others to push blue so pushing blue no longer BECOMES a risk. If you were actually willing to sacrifice yourself as a personal belief or virtue, you wouldn't need to convince others to also sacrifice themselves, you would be content acting in a manner consistent with your own values and believes, regardless of what others do.That's why the red pushers in here are calling you a hypocrite: because that's what you are. If you're good with pushing blue at the risk of death, then shut the fuck up about it and accept your choice, don't try to convincr others to also sign on to your suicide pact.
>>534110069why did you invent these rules? i assume only the final outcome counts
>>534104672Maybe those ignorant people who pressed blue weren't afraid of death either? No need to save them then.
>>534110139This is assuming you know for certain what that child will vote for no matter what. It's selfish, for your family specifically, but I wouldn't fault the parent either. Either way, if blue loses both the parent and the kid would be living in an even worse world.
>>534110440>we are 100% sure this burning building is empty but if enough of us go in there we *might* be able to put the fire out before it collapses and kills us all!>also the building is already destroyed and will need to be torn down anyway and there's literally nothing to be gained by going in thereWhat sort of firefighting department is going to take THAT risk lmao?
>>534103647i wish there was a sort of prisoners dilemma attached to this answer to make blue an actually worthwhile pick and not just illogical. in prisoner dilemmas, mutual betrayal is supposed to be the worst outcome as a way to police players that wont cooperate.
If you frame this in a form like blue pushers are staying to defend their nation from attack, red pushers are fleeing. You could view red as cowardly.
>>534103647>>red pusher logic: You cant trust anyoneRed buttoners trust other people will press the red buttonBlue people don't trust people will do the safe thing, so recruit themselves and others to take the risk, a literal 50-50 gamble
>>534110472Somebody will always press blue. The building is never empty.
>>534110474Also the wording of the game is at any point if there is unbalance then blue dies. So it's instant suicide if there is an unbalance and no way to build up the blue side if first 2 choose red. This should be rephrased as there is 2 people standing in the red line beside a cliff. On the blue side there is nobody. Do you jump off the cliff
534110571>having to staple on extras to make a bullshit statement because you're too brown to manage without it
>>534110641So set a perimeter around the building and tell those dumb motherfuckers NOT TO GO IN THEREYou're the total psycho standing out front telling people to go inside
>>534110440There was no one in the building to save, you retard. You ran in because other people were running in. The red pushers outside are just shaking their heads at why the fuck you would run into an empty burning building hoping to be a hero. That's fucking retarded. It would be equally retarded to run in after you trying to save YOU, when you simply could have stayed outside (by pushing red) and then NO ONE dies.You blues are insanely stupid. That's all there is to it. Your virtue signalling is just that - trying to show you're a good person, you're a hero, but you actually aren't, you're just suicidal. There's no one to save except the people that CHOOSE to run into the empty burning building, and it isn't the red's fault you did that. You're not a hero, you're a retard.
>>534110725Lmao. This is the same logic those cops used when that tranny was shooting up a school while doing nothing themselves.
>>534110685Like you did here >>534110069 and here >>534110193The thought experiment has evolved from two simple buttons to a system of weights, levers and pulleys all set on fire.
100 people are in the forestyou have 2 choiceschoice 1) go to the town, rent a hotel room, watch Netflix (red button)choice 2) go into a dark cave (red button)*if more than 50 people are in it, when wolves return to the cave, the wolves will get scared and run way*if fewer than 50 people are in the cave, the wolves will eat everyone>pic related is me and my red buttoner frens
>>534104621>You want to liveYou could have just stopped there. Yes, I want to live.
>>534108564>We don't biologically operate as a collective>women would sacrifice their child in a heartbeatLol, lmao
>>534110275>>534110337>>534110571>t-the building is empty!And we know this how? Is it starting to sink in that the redfag world is going to be lacking firefighters now? Lmao. Redfags dont really think ahead do they?
>>534110832>choice 2) go into a dark cave (red button)*blue button
>>534110785>maybe if I switch the hypothetical from firefighters entering an empty building, to cops saving children from being murdered, nobody will notice that I completely changed the dynamics of the hypothetical Nice try nigger, there is no tranny, there is no kids, there's just an empty burning building and you're standing out front trying to tell people to run in there to prove they're virtuous enough to do it if they had to, and we're standing out front telling people to stay the fuck away from the burning building.
>>534110945I think it works better with national defense and the natural desire to push red is combated by conscription.
>>534104598>8% of the world is white>every brown will vote red>why do you pick red??
>>534110873Because we know that nobody will die if they don't press the button to go in there.That is one of the conditions retard-kun.
>>534110807There's also contrapostive If nobody chooses blue then nobody diesThere's also moral argumentIf you press red you refuse to play the gameThere's also expected value (probability)You can expect to die if you play this game
>>534110945>there is no kidsEverybody votes, there's gonna be kids. Probably some retards I personally care about too.>there's just an empty burning buildingSomebody will press blue. Somebody will press red. The building is not empty.
>>534104598>whites press blue buttonand how is that working out for you?
>>534110873>Is it starting to sink in that the redfag world is going to be lacking firefighters now?Why would that be? Firefighters get paid and have a lot of agency in their own survival. I have to admit, it's quite entertaining to shoot these blue copes down with logic alone.
>>534111093Ok your hypothetical has just become retarded if you're going to change the rules so that people who are incapable of choosing still have to choose.Now we're not pressing shit but killing the people who are making kids press a button that might kill them.
>>534111201Everybody means everybody. Everybody doesn't mean "these people specifically."
>>534109406The red button assures nobody dies, it's not a prisoners dilemma, there's a literal >Nothing ever happensButton right there. Blue is the button that forces everyone into a mass suicide pact, all they have to do is push red (which is actually the true high trust cooperative option)
another reason someone might choose blue is that they may think only a species capable of cohering enough to majority-select the no-death option are likely pass larger coordination events anyway like future existential events or the great filter itself. not saying anyone here should press blue because of t his but its just an example of why someone might. majority of redpressers do not engage with the question on this level, they stop at first-order game theory insight, identify with it, and then treat disagreement as if others just dont understand it. and from inside that frame, arguments from outside it is necessarily interpreted within the frame as weakness, emotion and virtue signaling etc because that's what those arguments would mean if THEY were the ones making them. there is a lack or unwillingness to engage with hypotheticals or to model other povs at any level its just>red always lives. press red. and if you disagree youre just too soft to be rational and logical enough to make the hard but correct choice
>>534111082the red choice is 100% safeblue is, statistically, 50-50... it's truly bad odds. at scale, if you had to repeat the test many times, it's a matter of time blue buttoners die en massyou can argue that a small cohesive group could agree to press blue but.... couldn't they just agree to press red?There isn't any circumstance in which pressing blue is logical. This is quite trivial for system thinking brains, there's no question red button is the safer moral choice; emotional brains will only factor in "will I be perceived as good or bad?" and this is highly manipulable to someone smarter than them
>>534110641I'm convinced. OK I want everybody to run into the burning building. Come on everybody, into the blaze.
>>534111331Yeah I got it, it's a retarded hypothetical which means nothing which is why we're not doing it nigger - we killing the button makers.
so it really becomes a vote for what kind of world you want to endorse
>>534110634You could also frame it like "a huge tidal wave is incoming. If enough people stay, they could put up sandbags and no one dies, or they could choose to retreat to higher ground. If not enough people try to put up sandbags, anyone trying to put the sandbags up will drown". This would be closer to the actual hypothetical - an act of God that no one could foresee.It would also emphasize how retarded the blue pushers are. Why the fuck are you putting up sandbags hoping enough others help you, when you could simply... NOT do that, and survive no matter what?
>>534111171>umm, selfless altruistic firefighters are actually redfagsStatements from the utterly deranged. I even saw one supposed christian unironically claiming Jesus would press red too in order to not feel bad about pressing red. The cognitive dissonance is real.>>534111078Firefighters dont know if there is someone in the house, thats why they risk their lives to check and see. Same logic for blue button pressers. No idea if someone did. But might as well be blue to save them if they did. You wouldnt get it psycho-kun.
>>534111387Autistic response. Extremely autistic. Were you diagnosed?
>>534110440>I'm le moral paragon because I ran into a building that I set on fire, forcing others to endanger their lives to save me
>>534111201the rules were already theretoddlers and infants will all die if red winsbecause it was already stated that only those who pressed red will live, therefore you are killing everyone incapable of choosing
>>534111457mom says I'm normal and handsome
>>534111392I'm down for killing evil button masters.>>534111388If you got enough people it's guaranteed to work death free.
>>534111426Also there's no buildings to protect or anything, nothing to be gained at all by putting up the sandbags, and absolutely no question that everyone is capable of retreating to higher ground safely.
>>534110635Reds don't need to trust or distrust anyone. That's the entire point - if you push red, trust has nothing to do with it, you survive no matter what, it's guaranteed. Blues are trying to frame it as "reds don't trust people and that makes them selfish and evil", but that's not the case. Red doesn't involve trust whatsoever.
RED PUSHERS ARE FINE WITH KILLING ROUGHLY HALF OF ALL BLIND AND COLORBLIND PEOPLE AND AN UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF RETARDS
>>534110156The moral option is to press the button that doesn't force others into a death pact to save your selfish ass
>>534111449>thats why they risk their lives to check and seeNot in all cases. They will only do this if conditions allow and they are confident they can get in and out with their lives, which they are trained to do, and have the equipment to do so.If the building is absolutely ablaze and breaching the building is almost certain death they will, as is rational, fight the blaze from the outside inwards.
>>534109406
>>534111426well, I do think context does matter. if red doesn't die, but becomes refugees and lose their nation...
>>534111449The conditions aren't:>if you press the red button the blue button pushers will die, but also there might've already been some people who might've died anyway, regardless of what button they pressed, but only if you press the red buttonThe conditions are:>only people who press the blue button (run into the fire) might dieWe KNOW there's no one in the building nigger, so don't run in there.
>>534111617>browns look down on white empathynews at 11
>>534111474Then your hypothetical leaves the realm of choice and becomes retarded and pointless. >what would you choose?>oh btw people who are literally incapable of choosing also have to choose lol
>>534111654>The conditions are:>>only people who press the blue button (run into the fire) might diereread OPs conditions ESL abbos anon
>>534111718>Everyone in the world has to take a private voteA lot of red pushers fail to understand this simple phrase
>>534111589but surely youve realized that many people will impulsively press blue, and many will realize that and press blue in solidarity/to save them. and many will realize that many realize that too, and also press blue, already bringing it much closer to 50%or is this just not relevant to you because you cant or wont think about it?
>>534111752Only the people who press the blue button might die, those are the conditions.DON'T PRESS IT NIGGA!
>>534107515Hey blue bro, whens the last time you volunteered for a church outreach project? Blue bro, altruist supreme, whens the last time you researched a charity? What did you spend your thanksgiving doing, altruist?
I am following the logic of OPs condition which is>only those who pressed red will liveim sorry you were born without a fully formed prefrontal cortex ya slope
>>534111449>selfless altruistic firefightersIt's literally a job. Stop romanticizing it. Check the statistics how "dangerous" it actually is.
>>534111795>has to take a private voteIt is assumed by anyone with an IQ in the triple digits that people who are incapable of taking a private vote are not included.
>>534111387Ya well if you press blue you agree to play this game in the first place, pressing red opts out if playing since nothing happens.The probability is kind of a bad model where potential function is a better model. Once that potential function is filled (50%) then mass blue presser death happens. Pressing red does not add potential
>>534111847>only blue pushers will diesee >>534111871
>>534111919>if i just make up my own rules and conditions it will be real in my mind
>>534106941You aren't people.
>>534111944>everyone has to press a button>only one button kills >so therefore only the people who press that button may dieYes.
>>534111987Ok so what are the rules then retard?What happens to the people who are immobilised and can't push a button?
>>534103647I'm from a supposed high trust society where pressing blue would make sense and it'd probably succeed in a vote like this. But the "trust" is very superficial and surface level here. You can't really rely on people outside of those you already know and have faith in. You can't trust what the masses might vote for and you certainly can't trust those in power.
>>534111919Okay then where do you draw that arbitrary line? What is defined as incapable of taking a private vote?
>>53411150450 found dead in burning blaze death pact.
>>534112041>his whole family dies and all his friends except the red headed stepchild and all of chinagood luck retard
>>534112101Obviously we'd make the requirements no less than what is required to participate in IRL democracy wouldn't we? Like that's just a given RIGHT?
>>534111619not even fleeing, just not fighting and being conquered will spare your life, but you will definitely still face consequences, such as the Norman conquest>The Norman Conquest resulted in the near-total displacement of the Anglo-Saxon elite, who lost almost all land and political power to Norman barons. By 1086, only two significant Anglo-Saxon landowners remained, and by 1096, no native Englishman held a bishopric or church see, as the clergy was entirely replaced by Normans. >Socially, the English population faced severe subjugation and harsh treatment, including the Harrying of the North (1069–1070), which devastated the northern countryside, burned villages, and caused mass starvation. The Normans imposed a rigid class system where Anglo-Saxons were relegated to lower classes, subjected to higher taxes, forced labor, and distinct legal penalties, such as the murdrum fine which punished communities for the murder of Normans more severely than for the murder of English people. >Culturally and linguistically, the conquest led to the eclipse of the English vernacular as the language of administration, law, and literature, which were instead conducted in Latin and Anglo-Norman French. While the common people continued to speak Old English, it absorbed thousands of French words, fundamentally changing the language's vocabulary and syntax, while the English were cut off from the political and cultural centers of continental Europe, shifting England's focus toward France.blue pressing is not always a bad decision, depending on the context.
>>534108276Just leave your front door open every time you go to work bro. Leave your car door open every time you park since you are so trusting bro. Dont want to be a sociopath right?
>>534112157better tell them not to press the blue button then
>>534112166Those rules differ by country. Which one do you pick?
>>534109464>>534109464>leaf>if your enemies kill you, you win
>>534112229Think we'll go with the standards adopted by overwhelming majority of English speaking countries champ
>>534111938Yeah the red button has no effect. Not facing fatal danger is the normal situation, the red button is business as usual.Blue button is like..... you see a big boulder rolling down the hill... The boulder will just stop on its own harmlessly. (red button)But what if someone wants to stop it... then the boulder would crush that person, so then you would decide to go hurry and try stop boulder, because if enough people push back the boulder they'll bring it to a stop. (blue button)The logical thing is to let the boulder just slow down on its own... no need to get in its way... why? on the odd chance someone will but themselves in danger? Makes no fucking sense... blue buttoners are on 7 types of brain medication
>>534111357>The red button assures nobody dies, it's not a prisoners dilemma, there's a literal>>Nothing ever happens>Button right thereI don't get people who say that this button dilemma is just a variation of the prisoner's dilemma, because it's fundamentally different. In the prisoner's dilemma, you do not have complete control of your own situation, and have to put your trust in someone else, but in this one, you literally have a get-out-of-jail free card. It's astounding that we are even discussing this.
>>534112319These standards matter for the sake of your logical argument. What are those standards?
Red's be like
>>534112400I don't care lmaoHypothetical are gay then, good!If you wanna set the gay rules for this gay hypothetical then go right ahead - what happens to the people incapable of pressing a button?
