Care to give a good argument against this, /pol/?Oh wait, that's right - you can't.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/house-democrats-25-minimum-wage_n_69f0b51ce4b0093689a9cb3d
>>534121666>good argumentnice trips satan
>>534121666government benefits the most
Nice kike digits
You should not have minimum wage at all, but give workers proper rights to organize and they'll demand livable wages to themselves. Unions = capitalism and freedomMinimum wage = communism
>>534121666Doesn't matter. They won't do it anyway.
>>534121666Spacex IPO in june.
>>534121666conservatives don't actually believe these things, they just performative lie about it.
>>534121666You just made everyone who already gets $25/hr poor, and made their jobs entry-level menial.What are you going to do for this massive sector of people whom you have harmed with this?
>>534123147>You just made everyone who already gets $25/hr poor, and made their jobs entry-level menial.Do stupid people actually believe this?
>>534121666The real problem is the collapse of dignified, gainful, and lasting blue collar employment. Working fast food was never designed to sustain families, certainly not long-term. That these kinds of jobs have become that is symptomatic of a profound crisis not with wages, but our economic system itself.
>>534123277>Working fast food was never designed to sustain familiesSource?And who was the designer?
>>534121666Bandaid for AIDS. What did Sagan say about making a cake from scratch?
>>534121666Teens can't earn money because these stupid hags are competing for their jobs.
>>534123429Teens are in school during the day, so the busiest hours are all worked by adults, and not teens. You didn't know that?
>>534121666>50+% of workforce become women>suddenly the government wants minimum wage to keep up with inflation
>>534121666republicans should push for $100/hr, make them say no
>>534122844talk to a union worker about freedom lmao
>>534121666these socialist policies are working out so great for europepoor people in denmark, which doesn't have a minimum wage, are just destitute if only they had the government to interveneit's not like creating demand for labour naturally drives up wages what really works are obstacles to hiring people and making employers scared to take chances on people
>>534121666well I was for raising the minimum wage but now with that realization that single coal burners benifit most from it im against it now.
>>534123691>prevent women from contributing to GDP, even though every other country is doing that>fall behind the rest of the world economically>become Afghanistangood plan lol
>>534121666no UNIPARTY actor is genuinely serious about that. but no change to labor laws until the browns are remigrated. >yes we allowed you in>i'm sorry we made a mistake>no you cannot stay
>>534123355>Source?Me.>And who was the designer?God, leaf.
>>534123907>Me.Gotcha. Totally worthless then.
>>534121666I can. This will fix nothing because it doesn’t stabilize the money number anywhere else. The money number needs to be stabilized in multiple places. But you people are so stupid you don’t even know what I mean by the money number. You literally spend your entire life fixated over “the money number” but you still don’t even know what it means. You fucking retards.
I'm tired of my tax dollars subsidizing Walmart's low pay and their employee's food stamps. In other words, fuck niggers and jews.
>>534121666Minimum wage is meaningless, when the cost of living is outpacing wages. The gap has widened during the madness of the last decade as well.
>>534121666Deport all the non-whites and we can talk about minimum wage.
$25/h is like $8/h in 2008 dollars, so it's not even that much.
>>534124254Increasing minimum wage is the way to push all wages up genius.The alternative is tying wage rises to inflation by law.This is a real thing that existed in Italy back in the Lira times.
>>534121666Well, like most things the government does it will be hostile towards everyone that isnt financially backing them. So, im sure this will be good for big business who can afford to weather the storm while small business gets bought up turning this into a nothing but a rounding error while the cost of living rises proportionately and reduces competition.
>>534124354this. same for most welfare statist bullshit.
>>534124097Why do conservatives always brag about how many things they know (which isn't something knowledgeable people actually do lol), and then just...don't convey the knowledge they're bragging about?It seems insecure and inauthentic. Is it because you feel validated when you posture as a knowledgeable person, without actually demonstrating any of the knowledge?
>>534121666with inflation being what it is, a $25 dollar minimum wage makes sense. It comes to about 208k per year but you need 100k just to be baseline middle class and the taxes will take about half of what you make. So yeah. 25 dollars an hour is about the bare minimum for people to have a normal standard of living in the USA in 2026.
>>534124662Hes talking about the money supply in conjunction with wealth proportionality. He wasnt even being vague, youre just retarded.
>>534124535Sounds like a very antisemitic policy
>>534124792Too stupid to answer?
I think at this point they should just give up on coins and drop 2 zeroes off the money because it's worthless.
It's not going to change anything, real wages are still stagnant because of hyperinflation being pushed by those in office and with the federal reserve. It is a meaningless change pushing regulations that will end up hurting small businesses that already struggle to meet minimum wages for their employees driving more business to existing monopolies that leverage regulation like this to push competition out of business. This is why wages remain low by reducing competition.
>>534124792sadly, many such leafs and euros really dont get it. they will die on this hill
>>534122844In the USA corporations actively sabotage unions. Amazon has a whole indoctrinantion program for its employees telling them that unions are communism and they should rat out other workers who want to unionize. Even talking about unionizing is grounds for being fired.
>>534124809Yes. It was abolished in 1992 during the neoliberal coup. The italian Central Bank was forbidden to buy out Italian State debt also, cause a surge in Italian Public Debt to GDP ratio. Then in 1999 the Italian Lira was officially pegged to the ECU which then became the Euro and the country died. Ever since then wages have been essentially static, and PP reduced by 60% My father was earning as much as I am in the early 1990s.
>>534121666Oh sweet I can't wait till every fast food order is $50 and grocery store visits are $200 minimum
>>534124354>Deport all the non-whitesWhy?>and we can talk about minimum wage.What about the enormous number of non-whites earning more than minimum wage?What about all of the whites earning minimum wage, or on welfare?What about welfare states, like the many red states who rely on hand-outs from significantly more successful blue state economies to fund programs?
>>534121666>36 years old>been in dead end job for 12 years>started at 7.25/hr>does exceptional job>claws way up toward middle management>now making $21/hr>minimum wage increases>now only making $1/hr more than new hire sales associateswhoever made this infographic deserves to be flayed alive with everyone they've ever loved
>>534125444>Why?LMAO
>>534125505Too stupid to answer?
>Women are literally so useless that they are single handedly responsible for wage inflationYou're not getting that 25 dollar minimum wage Becky.
>>534125598Who are you quoting?
>>534125552too stupid to not want the non-whites out?
>>534125661I haven't said what my position is yet. It's weird that you can't answer surface level questions I had about your position, though.
>>534123252Do you imagine the wage of someone who is already at the new minimum will catch up instantly?
>>534125464>now only making $1/hr more than new hire sales associatesbelieve it or not anon, making less than the new hires happens at big boy jobs too
>>534125634Not quoting anything.Just reflecting on the reality of clown world. Women are genuinely useless.
>>534122844worker unions are one of the main reasons they love importing foreigners btwthey know a more diverse workforce has far less social cohesion and less likely to unionize
>>534123849>GDP Kill yourself
>>534123797Okay, I have. They all own houses and new cars and fucking GUSH with stories of the unions protecting and helping them.
>>534125780Where did I say that?Every time I come into these threads it's just people talking to themselves, while incorrectly believing they're talking to other people.
>>534122844There is nothing stopping Unions from being taken over by the corporation they're supposed to be against.The policy makers for Boeing's union are all major stockholders in Boeing.Until lobbyism and money funneling become illegal, it's impossible to make the game fair for the working class.
>>534121666They priced out entry level jobs. Small businesses already shouldering regulatory costs will rid themselves of employees and add automation. Now instead of having 6 employees you get 2 employees and automated kiosks.
>>534125805>Women are genuinely useless.Why do countries that don't have women contributing to their GDP invariably turn out like shitholes?Why do so many conservatives economically aspire to be Afghanistan?
>>534125856what other faery tales do you have?
Minimum wage needs to go up, profits need to be lower with predictability, and debts need to be written off the balance sheet so people can invest in a real economy, not a clown casino of blank checks and illegal tariffs.
>>534125748you know exactly how your reply 'why'; would be understood here anon. obviously the non whites should not be here, and certainly not in the numbers we have every year.do you think they should be?
>>534123147It trickles up. You now HAVE to pay the IT guy $30, $35. This is what happens every single time. Its what happened when minimum wage was introduced, it happened again every single time it was raised until they stopped raising it like 30 years ago (exactly when the decline kicked off...)
>>534121666Push it up to $50, honestly. Let the market shock and settle. Before that, set aside a good amount of money to help out people caught up in the churn, and stop printing entirely for a year or two. Set up a new bureau with significant staffing whose sole job is to evaluate the necessity of bailing out individual consumers. Raise the maximum marginal tax rate to 50%, require all loans against assets at or above ~$1m to pay capital gains tax, and start subsidizing the creation of housing. Finally, either eliminate the exceptionally and unconscionably corrupt regional insurance scheme and then either force all agencies to compete in good faith on the open market OR just say "fuck you, leeches," and move to single-payer.Oh, and then institute term limits in congress, strengthen union law, and above all else kill lobbying -- both corporate and ESPECIALLY international. If you are a politician taking money from corporations or foreign governments, you deserve the fucking death penalty, in my opinion. The fact that our elected representatives are taking money from and advancing the interests of corporations and foreign governments is, in my not so humble opinion, fucking treason. Neither have the best interests of Americans at heart. Oh, and while we're at it, let's kill gerrymandering and expand the House such that we have one representative per every 150k citizens instead of fucking 750k. How the FUCK is someone supposed to represent the interests of SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY FUCKING THOUSAND people? We are in a state of lunacy. Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
>>534126027>talk to a union worker>no not like thatYou think its a fairy tale to SPEAK to a literal fucking nobody union electrican? Its INCONCEIVABLE that ive ever met one of these fabled creatures?
>>534126053>you know exactly how your reply 'why'; would be understood here anon.How would I know that? Why do you keep pretending to magically know my thoughts, and also that I can magically know your thoughts?
>>534121666prices will increase right along with the wage increase, anon. California is a very good representation of why this is failed policy. It is my eternal lament that no matter how much proof there is that this will only end badly, the general population is so stupid that they'll keep right on voting for it and then complain when it doesn't solve anything.
>>534125993How are those collapsing birthrates? We're going to have to immigrate more Africans and Indians to keep the GDP increasing. You will be replaced and it's because of women. No children = no workforce to replace the old = migration from third world countries to replace the old one = now you are competing with basically slave labor = no high wage job for you.You can raise the minimum wage all you want. It won't matter because the big businesses will just establish loopholes in the system so they can still pay below it.The only way to fix this downward spiral is to take women out of the workforce so they can have native born children to replace the old workforce and also increase job competition (thus increasing wages) because jobs will have to compete with eachother in order to get enough employees.
>>534126326Why did you tag my post with a wall of text, and not respond to anything I wrote?
>>534121666Yeah look at the fucking inflation.>tldr the corporations will not be giving up on their profits so the price to the customer increases when you enforce higher minimum wage.
>>534121666Oh and this shit is only done to make more tax money because the left cannot admit to the fraud/failure of their programs.
>>534121666>>534121705Would likely go back to states, cost of living isn't gonna be $25-minimum in a lot of areas
>>534126306>prices will increase right along with the wage increase, anon.No shit, moron. Where you were formerly paying some sad fuck $8 an hour to sit at the front of Walmart saying hi, now you have to pay them $25. The cost of everything increases, but a sufficient shock to the system (if we can stay disciplined and print money at austerity levels, as we should) means the money can come from nowhere but the top. The "failures" of minimum wage increases are often due to half-measures. The old standby of capitalist politics is to obstruct sensible policy as much as they possibly can and then use the results of the obstruction as "evidence" that the policies were doomed from the start on intrinsic grounds. The scariest possible thing to rich rightoids and the poor fucks they've manipulated into doing their bidding is that these policies can and will actually work. They will increase the living standards of all the people they want to suffer... at their cost. That's why they obstruct: because desperation is good business. An America in which half the population is struggling to survive is a profitable America. They want us miserable and desperate for any momentary distraction from it. They want us pumping ourselves full of alcohol, tobacco, and hydrogenated corn syrup fried in hydrogenated corn syrup.
>>534121666Different states have different minimum wage needs so it is bad to have a federal one.
>>534126581Why do Republican administrations spend so much more than Democrat administrations then?
>>534121666Why not $100 an hour?
>>534124535>Increasing minimum wage is the way to push all wages up genius.It hasnt been, retard.
>>534126417>What’s 2+2? Don’t say 4, give me a proper answer!I’m sure the right combination of official papers will turn those third-worlders into Americans and not the other way around
>>534126306The Democrats only want a federal minimum wage so they can continue their disastrous policies without having better run states in your union that people can escape to.
>>534121666The actual reality is Jews benefit because purchasing power doesn’t increase with min wage increases as inflation happens. All that happens is people get put into higher tax brackets and end up paying more taxes to the Epstein class
>>534126731If you can't answer extremely surface level questions about your position, it's a good sign that you won't have anything insightful to say about the topic.
I do in fact care to give a good argument against this.They import subhuman pakejeets and only give them jobs. Our people of North America and Europe can't get employed.I support 25/HR for North America, European, South American and Australian born People only.All others grt 3/Har or go back. No jobs for them.Fuck off.
>>534121666>Don't say I'm wrong or I'll assassinate youChecked
>>534123252Yes and they post it here all the time like anyone even believes them.
>>534121666>Care to give a good argument against this, /pol/?Businesses can't afford it so they'll have to further raise commodity prices to maintain profit margins which will increases the cost of living. Alternatively their jobs will be replaces by robots because at $25 an hour they become the cheaper option.I'd like to see higher wages for the working class; but unless you make it viable for businesses to do so then its not going to work.Corporate tax rate should be based on the quantity and quality of employment provided to American citizens. The more American citizens a company employs relative to the profit they're making and the better they pay them the lower their corporate tax rate should be. If you have a bunch of illegals or H1Bs or robots working for you then your taxes should be higher. Give a business a profit motive to hire more Americans and pay them better and they'll do it.
Wages are a subsidy to usurers. Get rid of usurers and suddenly housing is affordable and 90% of wages aren't being siphoned off by parasites.
>>534124440I make $20 and I live in in hell now. I can afford rent only because I'm in a ghetto shithole and the old lady that owns the place kept the rent at pre-scamdemic prices. I keep my refrigerator unplugged and exclusively eat canned goods to save on electricity, since that's a bit of a luxury now. I have a car, but if one major thing breaks it's not getting fixed. Boomers act like paying anything over $15/hr is doing you some kind of massive favor.Compare this to 2018, I made $11/hr and not only paid my bills with ease, but I also had money to piss away on gaming PC parts and games. I also used to drink whiskey and order pizza all the time, I have done neither of those things in years.
>>534121666Might as well increase minimum wage as long as the government is stealing a trillion a year in inflation + taxes, largely to keep a worthless managerial class of parasites fat.>>534123904That won't happen without violence toward the people profiting from mass immigration.
>>534122844Fuck off, nobody is working for $2 you fucking kike
>>534127053I don't have a theory of mind for people who still believe Reagan era propaganda in 2026, let alone people who can do the mental contortionist needed to be part of MAGA.
>>534125552Its too late
>>534125464You can rot in your bucket for all the real NEET citizen class cares.
>>534125464>Fuck you I got mine
>>534123365Sagan was a fucking idiotic faggot. He said if you want to make a cake from scratch you first must make the universe, or something to that effect. At of all of the cakes that have been made in human history, exactly zero of the cake makers first made a universe. Dumbest fucking quote ever.
>>534125464You should be more angry with the fact that your $21/hr is about the same as your $7.25/hr. Unfortunately boomers mindfucked you into blaming little guys getting scraps instead of the price gouging faggots, tax and spend governments, and shitbag employers that ignore inflation and tell you to suck cock for chump change.
>>534127053>Businesses can't afford ityes they can. average CEO pay in 1950 was 20x their lowest paid employee. now it's 500x. so yeah, they definitely can.
>>534126642>printing money into hyper-inflation is how we're going beat the wealthy class and build a stronger countryplease kill yourself. Don't even leave a note, just get into your jalopy and catapult yourself off a cliff.
>>534121666Republicans want people suffering but also want a strong country.
>>534127136>I made $11/hr and not only paid my bills with ease, but I also had money to piss away on gaming PC parts and games.I honestly don't know how you managed that.I only had enough to cover living expenses making $18/hr in the late 2010s, while a couple of the assholes I worked with who were married with dual incomes were hassling me about not having a retirement savings or health insurance.
>>534126830Then why are you here? Leaf.
>>534127341You're not supposed to hoard fiat, dumbass. You buy something that has intrinsic value, and then sell it when you need the money. We call it making an investment, and it's generally taught in 3rd or 4th grade.
>>534127341The money supply has been increasing at a much higher rate than 3% annually for a very long time now. You should know this.
>>534122844The only thing your fucking country and worthless populace has ever contributed to this world was the "rakka makka fonn" song.So shut the fuck up.
>>534127465To talk about politics. Why else would I be here?
>>534127341He literally said we should print less money you stupid dysengic retard.
>>534127136Same for me, the last few years have been brutal really. I was able to save up alot now I'm living paycheck to paycheck even though I earn a bit more than pre-ronaGrocery prices are INSANE now and getting worse by the month.I'm contemplating just giving up because I effectively LOSE money by working and being a functional adult vs being a NEET
>>534125288prices are increasing because of capitalism, not because salaries got increased more than 2x
>>534127285He must have been trying to describe interdependence and causation in a way akin to picrel >>534127341A surveillance system in every new car and data center in every small town will stimulate the jobs market!
>>534121666min wage hike just ends up being a tax on the middle class
>>534127607>Grocery prices are INSANE now and getting worse by the month.It's about to get a whole lot worse, thanks to an Orange President who was born into wealth and hasn't had to buy groceries or pump a tank of gas once in his life.
>>534127460I live in a town that (used to) have cheap utilities, and I went without a vehicle for a very long time. I used to live within a couple miles of my workplace and I could get most of what a needed nearby as well. No vehicle makes life much easier, unfortunately I needed one for my current job. I skipped out on retirement and health insurance. The only time I ever paid for that was when it was an obamacare requirement, that made life pretty punishing because it forced me to pay $200/mo for health insurance with a $10,000 deductible. I still had stress about money, but compared to now it's comfy by comparison.
>>534127576I feel as though your are being disingenuous. Why come to a basket weaving site to discuss politics?
>>534121666Didn't someone last thread point out that it triples all pegged salaries, including law enforcement, as well?IDK if having no police is an argument for or against it tho
>>534121666Okay here's my argument: The vast majority of all jobs are pointless fucking time sinks and they are wholly unnecessary. Covid proved it, too. We don't need minimum wage, we need UBI and mass layoffs combined with a robotics boom. Nobody needs to be there to hear you order your food. Nobody needs to bag your groceries for you. Shittons of jobs are fantastically easy to obsolete RIGHT NOW but hang on for no good reason and bloat the labor force.
>>534121666They should definitely do it. It will greatly accelerate the advent of robots, automation and UBI in America for employers to have to pay humans that much. The end result will be us having to work far less
>>534127922>me: I came to the politics board to talk about politics.>you: That's impossible, there must be a hidden secret.???Not everything needs to be a conspiracy homie.
>>534121666Why do you want those 30+ women with children to be unemployed?They're probably doing jobs in which it is marginally beneficial to hire anyone at all. Jobs that could be outright automated away with machines, if the labor was any more expensive.I bet you also want to tax the landlords more, so they immediately transfer the cost to the renters, which won't be able to afford renting anymore.Every "service" socialism proposes, is further impoverishment of the already most destitute.
>>534127753you realize that the one is not immune to the other right? what do you think happens when the most basic and simple work has its value increased? does everyone else have no reaction?
>>534121666Why would /pol/ argue against it? Its called National SOCIALISM, we like workers rights here. We hate unemployed people and money changers.
>>534124884I just answered you.
>>534128011What economic literature have you read on the topic? I see you guys making a lot of claims but never providing a citation so that others can read about it.
>>534127982And there you are again taking a passive aggressive stance for no reason.. And you think it's weird for me to assume you're being disingenuous? Maybe calm down for a moment, eh?
>>534128112No you didn't. I asked why conservatives brag about knowing things without demonstrating the knowledge. I still have no explanation for why he did that.
>>534121666Where's the money coming from?
>>534121666What's good for California or New York is not good for places like Iowa or Oklahoma. Should be at state level
ceo will just make 90x minwage when it's 20$ instead of 90x min wage when it's 7$makes it impossbile to retire
>>534128130>literatureeventually you follow the citations all the way back to the first book ever written, and by your standard that guy is discredited because he cant cite any works before him. if he can cite his own lived experience and observations than so can anons and we dont actually need to cite your queer-rejewed journals and articles.
>>534128142I'm being passive aggressive because you initially came at me aggressively. You understand that, the way people react to you is informed by how you treat them? You can't just behave like an asshole and then get whiny and indignant when someone is an asshole to you.
>>534128435So you've done about as much reading about this as your average middle schooler, and still have an ego large enough to speak very confidently on the topic. In psychology we call this the dunning-kruger effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>>534121666Higher minimum wage means reduced hour because the corpos haven't stopped breakig your back. It could be doubled, tripled, you could get paid $200/hour, but it doesn't mean jack shit when they simply cut your hours to make up for the "loss".The solution is to abolish minimum wage across the board, destroy every existing union, and reform proper workers' unions to demand fair pay, but normies aren't ready for that conversation yet.
>>534128491>the way people react is informed by youGot a citation for that? I dont think thats been scientifically documented.
>>534121666If your solution does not start with "Total Kike Death", then it's not a solution.
>>534128950It's called mirroring. Were you raised in an abusive household, by any chance? We typically learn about "monkey-see, monkey-do" concepts at pre-school age, but if you grew up in an abusive household it would explain why you didn't know about it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirroring
>>534129237And where does this "mirroring" logic pull it's citations from?>were you abusedGot a citation for that?
>>534129331Do you not know how to read citations? They're at the bottom of the wikipedia page.A lot of your cognitive growth has been stunted, hasn't it? Did you take normal classes in high shcool, or special needs classes?
>>534129237This nigger needs to link to a wikipedia article instead of just talking and explaining shit like a normal fucking person.
>>534129454I dont consider Wikipedia a peer-reviewed scientific document. You're going to have to show me actual scientific data if you want to convince me this "mirroring" thing is real.
>>534127136>>534127607how the fuck can you guys live paycheck to paycheck?. Rent is $600 per week median in my state. There's no solo living unless you're on benefits
>>534128210Someone posted something you didnt understand then you made a false narrative to avoid admitting you dont understand.It was a very simple premise. In a debt based economy raising the minimum wage doesnt do anything but further the wealth gap. This is basic ass economics you would learn in a highschool economics course. When the money supply is increased the currency becomes worth less. When you increase the minimum wage, the price of goods adjusts to a higher point to meet demand. Raising the minimum wage moves the demand curve to the right which raises all costs for goods and services. Just like creating a price floor does. Then when the market reaches equilibrium you will be demanding a higher minimum wage.All youre going to get is lack of competition as the corporations that can operate at a loss service (the donor class advocating this) and small businesses sell-out. This should be a concern to you as you currently live in an environment where you can profit off your personal i.p. The world you are advocating for is a monopolistic hellascape. We saw this during covid. The companies that could conform survived and the mom and pop shops sold out. We are currently experiencing rapid inflation and raising the .minimum wage doesnt fix that.
>>534129549>This nigger needs to link to a wikipedia article You can read more than the wikipedia page if you're curious to learn more about it.>instead of just talking and explaining shit like a normal fucking personWhere do you live where normal people are giving lectures to their friends about complex concepts when they could just read about it. And then after they read about it they can have an actual conversation about it instead of just a one sided lecture.>>534129619>I dont consider Wikipedia a peer-reviewed scientific document.Wikipedia is not a peer-reviewed scientific document, so you're right to not consider it one. Your post gets a gold star for sharing this totally banal fact.
>>534129924>The world you are advocating for is a monopolistic hellascape.which is why governments love it
>>534121666https://youtube.com/shorts/9io0ldpeQsI
>>534124535>Lira timesGood times. Fuck the euro and fuck (((europoorean central bank)))
>Democrats propose somethingThey don't have the votes in the Congress to make it happen. (They never do).But, that's not the point. Democrats propose this stuff because it is meant to activate the lefty portion of their base enough to get motivated to vote for them, despite the fact that leftists low-key fucking hate Democrat party leadership for being corporatists and warmongers. It's just a gimmick that is meant to appeal to gullible young/left-leaning voters with no real chance of happening. At the very best, Democrats end up passing a "compromise" at about $10 to $15 an hour -- and that's the most realistic outcome if they end up with a Democrat president and just enough votes to pass SOMETHING and if they don't have too many Joe Manchin/ John Fetterman/ Kyrsten Sinema tier corporatists to ruin / obstruct the effort>Care to give a good argument against thisIt might exacerbate inflationary pressures in the economy, at least momentarily. In principle, I'm not really against it though. If anything, it's long overdue.However, I might want to write in exemptions for certain small businesses and/or give smaller businesses a period of time to adjust. I would say that smaller businesses, particularly in poorer states, ought to be given 10 years to comply. If small businesses start getting wiped out in the years immediately after passing the increased federal minimum wage, that will simply generate a whole new wave of that populism that liberals are not very fond of.
>>534130234Those are fake
>>534130085You still haven't provided me a citation to excuse your reactionary behavior. Do you perhaps suffer from some mental ailment? You seem emotionally unstable.
>>534121666i support it but it will never pass with this anti-human MAGA government
>>534129698i pay 350/m for some shithole tiny apartment in the middle of nowhere
>>534129924. I think you might be struggling with psychotic hallucinations, anon.I'm writing things at around a 5th or 6th grade level so that it's easy for you to grasp, but your post is still so loaded with arguments agaiost positions I've never had.I didn't advocate for any world. I asked an exceedingly straightforward question about why conservatives brag about having knowledge, and then don't demonstrate the knowledge.
>>534130149Yes, because governments are ran by wall-street board rooms. Which wasn't necessarily the problem it is when labor was restricted logistically but because the executive class are finacially invested into foreign labor markets, washing our currency over-seas never to return, we need a total fucking tax over-haul and crime division to investigate regulation capture. The rules didnt just change, the entire board did. Massive exploits need to be patched out
>>5341216663 of my employim would be fired immediately.
>>534121666I heard the economic illiterate come here to support you. >>534123252Oh look lol its true. An arbitrary price floor on the cost of labor has always increased prices and driven down hours worked. You end up making workers worse off. You'll see the same trend everywhere. More part time workers. Less hours for the wagies. Higher prices on everything as every business had to increase their costs. Closing down of businesses. It will actually decrease tax revenue in the long run. Now show me an actual economic argument for an arbitrary price floor on labor. Go on.
>>534121666I can actually. It's literally communism. The government is centrally planning the economy by forcing businesses to have specific wages which will never work because how long until it needs to become $30? $40? $100? Which is the final number? It's a bandaid solution to a Jewish problem that is at the heart of it all.
>>534130445Nta but can you provide a source to depict what level of reading comprehension you're writing at? I just need everything to be grounded so we can discuss complex topics on the same page.
>>534130594sounds like you have a shitty business model but yeah take it out on your employees i guess
>>534130639>An arbitrary price floor on the cost of labor has always increased prices and driven down hours worked. You end up making workers worse off.I would like to read more about this. Can you provide some sources for empirical data, journals, etc?
>>534130701The objective of owning a business isn’t to provide for employim.
>>534130687When I ask for a source it's because I want to read more about what you're talking about. If you wanted to convince people of your position, you would want to share the best data and literature you had, wouldn't you? Why are you so evasive when I probe your bullshit even slightly?
>>534130458its always collusion that fucks us. in those situations its a complete failure of what government is supposed to do in the first place, its very reason for being,.
>>534121666>Care to give a good argument against this, /pol/?State and Local Governments will be unable to pay Salary and Pension benefits for their state employees like Police, Firefighters, Teachers, Do nothing assholes at the DMV in some cases.Cops like Drew Petersen will go from making $273,000 a year in pension benefits to $546,000 if they just double minimum, wage. Now they are talking about tripling it.Why do you think the SEIU Lobbys so hard for increasing the minimum wage although none of their workers make below what they advocate for it to be raised to???
>>534130890indeed, but you can't reasonably expand without hiring employees to help youpay a good wage or don't expand, simple as
>>534121666a bunch of seething lower middle class laborers in the comments. lmao.>THATS COMMUNISM I HAD TO DO A 7 YEAR APPRENTICESHIP SUCKING MY DADS COCK BEFORE I GOT TO JOURNEYMAN COCKSUCKER WAGES AND EVEN NOW I ONLY MAKE $30/HOUR THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT FUCK ALL LIBS THEYRE RUINING MY GAY FOR PAY LIFE
>>534121666higher minimum wages are a political device that produce a short-term solution that buys votes, but have disastrous long-term effects on an economy.The long-term effects are that they contribute to the further destruction of small and medium-sized businesses who don't have the capital to absorb the resulting costs in the way that large corporations do. This leads to increased market share for large corporations and the further corporatization of the economy.Inflation is the ultimate cause of the perceived need for a legislated increase in the minimum wage.But unfortunately, inflation is not a bug, but a feature of our (((monetary system))) because it is a model built on debt/credit expansion which results in what is called the 'Cantillon Effect', which is the process by which wealth is transferred upwards and leads to further impoverishment of the lower classes who absorb the cost of the value dilution of the currency as it 'trickles down' through the economy.So, in conclusion, what is needed is a fundamental reformation of our monetary system. An end to usury and the system of private central banks that create fiat debt "money" out of thin air.>EndTheFed
>>534123797>talk to a union worker aboutIf we had strong unions as a default then all jobs would see a rise in pay to match. Being if grocery Store A is union and paying X the non-union Store B is going to be at least in the ball park. This federal wage issue should have been dealt with decades ago. Sure it's mostly symbolic but sub $8 is just ridiculous.
>>534131031>a bunch of seething lower middle class laborers in the comments. lmao.see >>534130954This is why it will never happen, or if it does it will be a $2 raise, to $9.25
>>534121666perfect way to drive up prices and increase unemployment
>>534131241state and local governments fund their pensions with budgets that cannot run a deficit because they cannot engage in "money printing." your argument makes no sense.
>>534126830>I need every dot explicitly connectedUnsurprising.
>>534121666>Who benefits from higher minimum wage?me, since I am heavily invested in automation and AI. Higher minimum wages incentives the rollout of that sort of stuff.
>>534121666this just deletes the middle class entirely as people making 40-50 an hour are now only making slightly over minimum wage and price increases will squeeze them
>>534131179It's a genuine tragedy how, even if we did literally nothing but strengthen labor laws and unions, America could dramatically improve.
>>534131374>manipulatively twisting my words around because you're too stupid to address what the post actually sayskek
>>534130445False premise. You not understanding that anons post is immediately an indictment of your intelligence unless you can prove it wrong. You complaining that you dont understand basic economics isnt an argument.
I've got a better idea. Let's give billionaires more money.
>>534121666I appreciates that this wasnt posted by a flag.
>>534131479>False premise.No, it's a correct premise.
>>534121666>Care to give a good argument against thisThink of the poor innocent jews. This is a very antisemitic proposal and also asserts that goys should be able to afford food and shelter which is incorrect. Goys are slaves that should be willing to die in order to work for us chosen in exchange for NOTHING. In fact they should PAY US to work.
>>534130890do you not know how to spell employee? xD fucks sake nigger
>>534121666>who benefits?Big business. It's just one more form of regulatory capture.
>>534130916>If you wanted to convince people of your position, you would want to share the best data and literature you had, wouldn't you?Why don't you? All you're doing is being reactionary. I'm gonna guess you're a conservative.
>>534123797why do unions work all throughout europe without any issue?over 50% of companies were unionized during the American Golden age where people could actually barter for wages.Now Americans are psychologically tortured to think unionization getting fired or extra taxes.
>>534131704I haven't stated any positions of my own. I was asking about the position that you stated you had.
>>534128687>>534129619>You're going to have to show me actual scientific dataDo you have a queer rejewed study proving that we have to show you scientific data? I can cite articles showing that the opinion of a gay black woman is worth more than any study, by the way
>>534121666Who benefits from this?Subhuman trash who operate restaurants and businesses.The trick to their economic prosperity isn't providing a good product, it is spamming rubbish products in a good product market and overcharging.
>>534131800he's going to respond with some retarded niggerbabble about minorities or lazy workers or something.
>>534121666oh boy more inflation
>>534130308Here. Have some real ones.
we used to tax people 70% over 200k now we're raising the wage floor to kick people OUT of retirement, i kid you not
>>534123252>raise minimum wage>people not making minimum wage get no raise >prices increase to cover minimum wage increase>everybody benefitsimagine being this retarded
>>534121666This is the government trying to raise taxes without raising taxes because they are fucked if they don't make taxpayers foot the national debt, but it won't work because people aren't working at all and this will stop their benefits if anything, so it will backfire.
>>534131811But you stated I must have been in an abusive household. That's a statement and stance that you have yet extrapolated on. You still have not linked any scientific document discussing or proving that mirroring exists.Frankly it sounds more and more like you're just being a disingenuous idiot but I'm willing to hear you out if you can provide anything of substance.
>>534131451>manipulative>stupidAll you’ve done this entire thread is ignore every contrary argument and claim none was made. Leftists can only debate in bad faith.>>534127220>counter logical argument with psychoanalysisShow tits now, hole.
>>534129698I live in a crack den in the outskirts of a small city/large town, for $600/month with utilities included. My wife doesnt pay rent or any shared bills, just her personal expenses. I only make $30k/year and expect to never own a home, a new car, or have children
>>534131854>I can cite articles showing that the opinion of a gay black woman is worth more than any study, by the wayI mean, yeah, anyone can cite bad data. And when someone shows me that their claim is based on bad data, I can dismiss their claims, because it's based on bad data. You're too scared to provide any source whatsoever, though, so I have no meaningful way to critically evaluate the merit of your claim.
>>534131854>Do you have a queer rejewed study proving that we have to show you scientific data?No but it makes the conversation pointless if it's not grounded in demonstrable reality. You're arguing for nothing over nothing st that point.
>>534131533That anon posted a very basic criticism of fractional reserve banking and you have spent the last hour arguing everything other than that criticism. The law of large numbers dictates that youre shitposting and pretending to be retarded for (you)s. But the law of complete faggots dictates your a dicksucking queer that will never procreate.
>>534131361>your argument makes no sense.You're this fucking retard who has no idea about how public service workers contracts work. Their base wages are set by contract as multiples of the minimum wage as a unit, say 3 or 4 times minimum wage whatever that number is. That's why the minimum wage has never been increased, but the multiples of that wage in their union contracts has over the years.
>>534121666Pol poster.
>>534132175>outsources critical thinking entirelyTits, now
>>534132217Why would I argue against his criticism? Did I ever write that I had a problem with it, or did you just hallucinate that?All I wanted to know was why conservatives posture as having knowledge, without demonstrating it, but you keep responding to my posts as if I asked anything else.
>>534121666The average worker only makes $30/hr. By bringing the price floor up to the average you demoralize the workers who actually put in effort and got qualifications to do special jobs.
>>534127554>rakka makka fonFREESTYLO!
>>534132307>outsources critical thinking entirelyNo one wrote that. It's a little pathetic that you need to keep making up imaginary positions to argue with. That's a hallmark of a fragile worldview.
OH MY FLOYD 56% WOMEN???? THIS IS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY WEE WOO WEE WOO
>>534122844There is only work for less than half the population. This should be obvious from putting women into work. This did not increase jobs. Productivity has since decreased jobs. These numbers are available but people make endless excuses for them. AI will push employment down to 20% and people will just start killing whoever they can get to because the ones responsible are not obvious to locate.
>>534132491if the minimum gets raised to 25 the "average" would shoot up to 35 or 40 or even 45
if democrats cared about minimum wage then they wouldn't fly in millions of foreigners to work for pennies and they definitely wouldn't be waging lawfare against tariffs
The minimum wage in NYS is $15 per hour but even McDonalds and gas stations are advertising for higher starting wages. They have to compete against gibs, not the minimum wage.
>>534132233hello brain dead nigger retard. i understood what you wrote. i called it nonsensical because THEY NEED TO FUND THE PENSION OBLIGATION. why would they DOUBLE their pension obligation when they cannot fund it?
>>534132635>This did not increase jobs.Why did you make up an easily disprovable lie like no one would notice?
>>534131800this^I used to have these seem attitudes towards unionization, but once I began understanding how our monetary system works, I began to realize that unionization is basically the only tool the middle and working classes have left to protect their standard of living. As long as corporations continue to absorb more and more market share, unionization becomes the only means of defense for the working man.This is how we got 'globalization' of western economies, the exporting of our jobs overseas allowed the capitalists to side-step the unions and take advantage of the benefits of currency arbitrage. This is why they sold us the lie of becoming a 'service economy'. The irony is that the advent of automation and AI technologies just further reveals the lies of the 'service economy' narrative that we were sold.
>>534123147>>534126098Why not lower the minimum wage to $1 per hour?With the additional caveat: The CEO or Business Owner MUST face each employee in person within arms reach least once per year.Let the rest sort itself out.
>>534123849GDP is wealth leaving a country. Ideally a GDP should be negative; the country trading worthless jew paper for actual goods.
>>534121666>wagie retards are literally so fucking retarded that they vote to force job providers to price their labor out of the market>and then act butt hurt when the cost of good and services increases and then their jobs inevitably go overseasI have only contempt for such. no sympathy whatsoever.even a dog knows better than to bite the hand that feeds him.
>>534122844I wouldn't phrase it that way, but I won't disagree with you
>>534130687Source: KYS
>>534132814>GDP is wealth leaving a country.You guys say such stupid shit sometimes it makes me wonder how you function day to day in the world.
>>534132700Sure because of how math works but the real wages of qualified workers would not increase. This already happened when California raised fast-food workers minimum wage to $20. Did everyone else get an instant pay bump? No, but a Big Mac costs $10 now.
>>534132357I think youre retarded and have 38 points of data to prove it. Anons understanding of basic economics vs anons refusal to make a point about basic economics. Its a y=x graph at the origin.
>>534127053an actual scholar and a gentleman I see. good post.
> 40 posts by this IDGlowniggers being retarded again.
>>534121666It's les than 1% of the country.I say give it to them and do a victory lap.then commie cri
>>534127220>you proved me wrong and tried to convince me not to do something that will only make my situation worse... >so I will dehumanize you and try to create justification for murdering you later out of envy and spiteand that's why pieces of shit like you are poor. and no matter what happens, no matter the wages, no matter what revolution or legal changes or WHATEVER happens you will always be poor. because the problem is YOU.
>>534132971>still no answer to the question>still trying to get me to defend positions that he decided i have out of thin air
>>534133173>you proved me wrongwhere?people on this board seem almost pathologically averse to actually having proof for anything. it's to the point where they'll have spastic meltdowns when you ask where they learned something.
>you're a bad person if you don't support the democrat thingWho still falls for this "strategy" anyway? It's hardly a strategy it's just low IQ effeminate emotional manipulation.
>>534132736>why would they DOUBLE their pension obligation when they cannot fund it?In the case of Illinois, because of their State Constitution.So you are just disagreeing with the pension part of my claim while LARPING that it's about poor people??
>>534133427>Who still falls for this "strategy" anyway?People who struggle with black and white thinking. The world is complex, reading takes effort, and retards struggle showing humility with respect to their knowledge. So they let republicans/MAGA build their internal narrative with all-or-nothing reality tv catchphrases, as their ability to engage with reality critically rots away.Dictators give stupid people a simple answer to their problems. That's why fascist movements are populated exclusively by inbreds/retards and people with cluster-B personality disorders, with nothing in-between.
>>534128011you are thinking of a perfect and fair world. Decreasing labor costs for decades by importing mass migrants never decreases the price, it only increases it. The logic is that the companies are making money and are going to make more of it no matter what, not that if you change that thing, there is a different outcome. Inflation is created because they need to take more while keeping an illusion of functional economy.
>>534133892You still haven't provided me a source for your baseless claim that I was in an abusive household. Can't help but notice your hypocrisy.
>>534122844Unions all inevitable go crooked and either enmesh with the corporation they're "collectively bargaining" against in order to mutually profit from exploitation, or become glorified cartels.
>>534133892>Dictators give stupid people a simple answer to their problems. That's why fascist movements are populated exclusively by inbreds/retards and people with cluster-B personality disorders, with nothing in-between.I must kekHow much of a nigger can you be to actually write and believe this?Are you a jeet or another complete subhuman by chance?
>>534134027I didn't claim you were in an abusive household, I asked you if you grew up in one. Do you not know the difference?
>>534134077Your emotional outburst is funny. I love that I was able to hurt your feeling so badly that you couldn't make an argument.
>>534123147>You just made everyone who already gets $25/hr poor, and made their jobs entry-level menial.>What are you going to do for this massive sector of people whom you have harmed with this?actually, most unions tie *their* pay rates to the minimum wage. Example, entry level pay in this union shall be 3x minimum wage. Min wage goes up? There goes union pay thru the stratosphere. Its one reason more why minimum wage increases were not implemented slowly like make sense.
>>534133892>That's why fascist movements are populated exclusively by inbreds/retards and people with cluster-B personality disorders, with nothing in-between.Oh yes. All those stupid nazis that came up with Jet Engines, Space Travel and Nukes.
>>534134084Nope>>534129237>We typically learn about "monkey-see, monkey-do" concepts at pre-school age, but if you grew up in an abusive household it would explain why you didn't know about it.This is a claim that you have not verified or cited. Why are you unable to cite your claims with peer reviewed studies?
>>534131492Will probably lead to automation and UBI/UHI faster than giving fat fuck reddit atheists more funky pop allowance
Unions don’t practice what they preach, nor do they promote shared prosperity. They are on the side of their senior members first, their newer members second, and no one else after that — except maybe the politicians they help get elected.The truth is that unionization doesn’t even increase wages for all union members. Single-salary schedules ensure that senior members earn the most and new members the least, regardless of value or merit. While union leaders may brag about the union member premium — the ostensibly higher wages that unionized workers earn — it only exists for older members, where it exists at all.What’s more, unions’ seniority layoff system protects longer-serving union members before anyone else. The most junior employees are the first to be let go and the last to be rehired. Last-in-first-out layoffs do nothing to improve productivity, but they do a lot to protect senior members.
>>534134390>Why are you unable to cite your claims with peer reviewed studies?Because you're not a curious person who reads anything. All of your requests for a source have been in bad faith for the sake of petty vindictiveness. It's funny that you think you made an interesting point by doing that.
>>534134755>All of your requests for a source have been in bad faith for the sake of petty vindictiveness.Do you have a source for that claim? You really are a reactionary conservative, huh?
>>534133178To answer your question, not everyone that confuses you is a conservative. You conflated your confusion with antithetical opinions when you should have asked "am I retarded for not understanding simple economics". The answer is yes. You're retarded and in the denial stage of grief.
>>534134824Saying words is cool and all, cuz you get the little dopamine ego hit, but not having any conviction or principle behind them is really embarrassing.
>>534121666False this will hurt both groups
>>534134956I'm just making an observation of your hypocrisy and unwillfullness to have a discussion. Why cant you cite any sources?
Mandatory minimuk wage means firing people who can least afford to be fired OP is a zero effort shill who doesn't unders4and his own topic.
>>534121666Inflation?
I feel like I don't understand why raise the minimum and not just raise the pay cap? Even if the minimum raises again and I get bumped up a dollar I still will be hitting the cap and won't be making more money than I already was.
>>534124765>, a $25 dollar minimum wage makes sense. It comes to about 208k per yearIf you're working two jobs both at 80 hrs/week each I guess....
>>534134878>To answer your question, not everyone that confuses you is a conservative.Cool, we agree on this point that I've never contradicted. What a surprise.>You conflated your confusion with antithetical opinions when you should have asked "am I retarded for not understanding simple economics". I'm not sure where you think I said I was confused about something. It reads more like you're creating a projection of me inside of your head, and then convincing yourself that the projections are correct, without evidence of that actually occurring. Does your self-esteem needs cheap wins to sustain itself? Why else would you insist that I have positions that I've never stated, or that I disagree with positions that I never disagreed with?
>>534121666Raising minimum wage won't treat the underlying issue: Deliberate and persistent increases in cost of living orchestrated by a class of aristocratic ladder pullers determined to exacerbate the gap between the wealthy and everyone else. Raising the minimum wage to $25 an hour won't stop the landlord from upping the rent by 10% every year, it won't stop the food company CEOs from ordering more shrinkflation of basic staples like soup and bread, it won't stop dealership owners from ordering employees to upsell lemons, it won't stop property developers from upping home prices while using shittier, cheaper supplies and labor.Our entire economy needs an overhaul form the ground up.
>>534122844I work in an industry that’s heavily unionized and they’ve successfully raised the minimum wage the company pays for the last three contracts. It has been a fucking disaster each and every time. We get an hourly increase, and retroactive backpay for a few months, and all the salaried and non-unionized hourly also go up because obviously and everyone celebrates. Then the company mass hires part timers to a laughable degree and everyone’s weekly hours take a huge hit. Part timers get scheduled one shift every two to three weeks and full timers go down from 38-40 to 32-34. Salaried staff get laid off and everyone then bitches and moans about how they can’t afford to live and they’re shocked a company could be so cruel as to not “take care of their employees”. It’s so fucking annoying trying to argue with Hispanic grandmothers every two to three years that are convinced the answer is raising the hourly rate for all their woes.
>>534124765>It comes to about 208k per yearCheck your math, anon. $25/hr 40 hrs/wk 52 wks/yr comes out to $52K gross.
They don't care, they'll say anything to avoid it. Usually some bull about "inflation" as if minimum wage somehow increases the money supply.
>>534121666>Care to give a good argument against this, /pol/?Yeah bring prices down then you don't have to artificially adjust people's wages at all. Give a good argument against what I said I dare you.
>>534121666>56% of minimum wagie are womenOH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
You would have to earn around $ 70 / h to achieve the standard of living of the 1970s.
>>534135962>Yeah bring prices downYou skipped a lot of steps there. What are all of the things you're going to do to bring prices down?
>>534121666Dr. Thomas Sowell can.
>>534136619That's a cool opinion, thanks for sharing that guy's opinion. Do you have anything substantial to share relating to that position though?
>>534122844No, there shouldn't be a minimum wage, but there should be a maximum charge for basic needs like food, clothing, and especially shelter. I would also add some modern world necessities like connectivity and fuel/transportation.That would literally solve everything.
>>534125821They come because they want those bennefits
>>534121666If you're 36 and still working a minimum-wage job, congrats. You've failed at life.
>>534121666Does not matter since the banking class will just use that as an excuse to pump up their asset values while flooding the place with more scab labor that are subsidized with tax money they lobbied for, to make sure these jobs dont actually exist because small business owners wont be able to afford the minimum because they dont have access to subsidized labor.
>>534121666>Who benefits(((Landlords))) and (((merchants))). When we wrote a city-wide minimum wage into law, rents and prices went up before the law took effect.
>>534121666The problem is raising the minimum wage is cyclical, minimum wage will only lead to more inflation and more taxation, and then you will have to raise the minimum wage again and high minimum wage actually punishes harder workers and rewards lazy workers
>>534137382Damn, that's like all of the propaganda talking points in one post.
The solution isn't raising wages or capping prices, it's regulating and reining in the goddamned financial sector. Almost every single economic problem of the last 50 years can be traced back to the steady erosion of oversight and regulation of banks and brokerage that started at the end of the 70s, ramped up under Reagan, and just kept on going. The top 0.01% of the world owns 50% of the world's wealth, and with only a handful of exceptions work almost exclusively in moneylending or gambling on the market.All the other problems will self-correct within a generation if you get the financial sector back under control.
>>534137382The only factor that changes inflation is the printing of currency and i want anons to drill that fucking notion into their skull. Printing money is the first, middle, and last cause of inflation. Nothing else causes inflation. Nothing. You can argue what prints money, like loans, but never say that increasing wages causes inflation.
>>534121666>Minimum wage is increased.>Rent and grocery prices go up as well.
>>534137446You are the dumbest poster ive seen in a long time. If you were intelligent enough to feel shame you would be at least 70 iq but nothing you have posted in your 60 posts reveals an i.q above your post count. Pretending to be retarded is worse than being as retarded as you are.
>>534124097What do you mean I can't just print a trillion dollars?>>534124765Why don't we just give everyone 1 million dollars, then everybody could live comfortably>>534126642>The scariest possible thing to rich rightoids and the poor fucks they've manipulated into doing their bidding is that these policies can and will actually work. They will increase the living standards of all the people they want to suffer... at their cost. That's why they obstruct: because desperation is good business. An America in which half the population is struggling to survive is a profitable America. They want us miserable and desperate for any momentary distraction from it. They want us pumping ourselves full of alcohol, tobacco, and hydrogenated corn syrup fried in hydrogenated corn syrup.True minimum wage hasn't been tried before
>>534127220>I don't have a theory of mind for people who still believeso I should instead vote (you) candidates in, and get infinity shitskins. Not a choice, kike hole.
>>534136619/fuckingthread
>>534137906>intelligent enough to feel shamePathological shame avoidance is more of a conservative thing, and it's not related to cognitive intelligence. In fact, the higher your IQ, the more easily you'll be able to brainwash yourself into believing bullshit.Healthy shame thresholds are a product of emotional maturity, empathy, and humility, and my initial impression is that you don't appear to have any of that.
>>534137839Well how do you propose we extend the slave class to include the former middle class faster?
>>534138060Can anyone translate this schizo gibberish?
>>534129454>Do you not know how to read citations? They're at the bottom of the wikipedia page.>A lot of your cognitive growth has been stunted, hasn't it? Did you take normal classes in high shcool, or special needs classes?hurr durr, I'm, like, really smart because I'm a socialist lefty democrat, hurr durr. I just repeat what I read on tik tok and it makes me sound smart, hurr durr. STFU
>>534138366I didn't say any of those things, but it's really hilarious that creating dishonest strawman projections of your opponent is so common here.
>>534138277And yet, here you are, unashamed of either pretending to be retarded or too egotistical to admit fault. I still haven't read a single post by you that has a point. Its just pretending to be inside peoples heads or fishing for (yous). Are you on meth?
I'm admit to my human nature. I don't want fucking retards getting paid anything close to what I make. If they want a wage to cover the essentials, then I want a baby boomer upper middle class lifestyle with mine. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way and I just get dragged down while they stay poor.
>>534121666>Care to give a good argument against this, /pol/?There isn't one. We support minimum wage hikes because they by and large price niggers and women out of the labormarket. If the minimum wage plus local payroll related taxes and expenses puts the cost to the employer of employing (you) higher than what you can feasibly earn gross for the company they simply will not hire (you).Why do you think the unions and guilds in the late 19th and early 20th century fought so hard to get minimum wage laws passed? Coincidentally right after a flood of cheap freed slave labor hit the market. I can assure it had nothing to do with wellbeing of the common worker in general.
>>534137737If the costs of goods and services goes up you are back where you started, that is why minimum wage increases are always small and do not keep up with the cost of living. Minimum wage increase does nothing to resolve the underlying problems in the economy, you do not actually get more money in your pocket it is just performative
>>534138536>I still haven't read a single post by you that has a point.I'm not here to talk about my positions, I'm here to test the strength of your beliefs by making entry level inquiries that anyone should be able to answer easily. Turns out you mostly just feel really strongly about various things. Beneath your inflated conviction and grandiose emotionality, there's no fundamental principle or epistemological standard that you adhere to.
I would rather have the federal income tax eliminated
>>534131800He's thinking of the handful of crap unions that still remain here in the US. Many state and city government unions don't do much besides make the shittiest staff impossible to fire. Other than that they'll stand by and make idle complaints while their member get forced to do mandetory triple shifts and other inhuman shit. A good example would be the NYS corrections offercer's union. CO's are slave in NYS but they kinda deserve it for being smug cocksuckers for decades. Their own union fucked them over for striking, and helped the state governor more than their members. Real unions didn't pull shit like that. Italian mob run unions like the Teamsters did more for US workers than any employer will without extreme coercive measures.
>>534138596>I'm admit to my human nature. I don't want fucking retards getting paid anything close to what I make. At least you're honest about how entitled and emotionally unstable you are.
There are no jobs the problem is not wages the problem is no fucking jobs you stupid cunt
>>534132491You should be more mad at your employer for not giving you a raise instead of sucking their cock and blaming some poorfag for having a chance to afford rent.
Reminder before federally mandated minimum wages that the minimum average and median wages were higher.
>>534121666Because that's not how a market works. You can't just decide that everyone should earn at least this and that much and then think you've suddenly solved poverty. But leftists are literally retarded, so here we are.
>>534126734This sounds right on the money
>>534121666Yes, minimum wages are just a price control for labor. Its the same as making a law that says you cant sell a gallon of gas for more than $2. The problem is that if it costs more than that to make a gallon of gas nobody will sell the gas. When companies monthly labor bill goes up they will pass the cost along to the consumer and it will happen via a combination of squeezing more productivity out of fewer employees by simply making fewer of them do more work or automating more of their tasks, making the product shittier to save money and raising prices.
>>534139133>You can't just decide that everyone should earn at least this and that much and then think you've suddenly solved poverty.This isn't what a minimum wage attempts to accomplish, so that's good news for you.
>>534139133I mean, you can, you just have to do more than just changing the minimum wage. If you up the wage, but don't change any of the underlying problems that motivated upping the wage in the first place it doesn't fix the problem.
>>534125207>Unione are communismWhich is retarded.Theyre democracy.Now you can argue if the democratisation of the workplace will have positive results, negative results or a combination of both.But unions are much more analagous to a democratic state than a communist one.
>>534138360>Can anyone translate this schizo gibberish?translation:orange man badvote democrat to fix!bring in more shitskins to "fix" the economyMy reply? you're a woman/kike, likely both.
>>534121666NOOOOO GILDED AGE 2.0 MUST NEVER END BILLIONAIRES DESERVE TO HAVE THE WORLD BE THEIR SANDBOX
>>534139133Inflation is the real problem here. Rent wouldnt go up forever if theyd stop printing money.
>>534138424>I didn't say any of those things, but it's really hilarious that creating dishonest strawman projections of your opponent is so common here.reddit? down the hall and to the left, kike.
>>534138790Correct, but that has nothing to with inflation. >>534138850>I have a crystal ball and can see inside your head and heartWell, good luck with that. It must make you a lot of money which is why youre like 20% of the posts.
>make up something retarded in my own brain>simply assert that this makes my opponent retarded, even though it came from my own brain, and not theirs.Is this the entire conservative playbook now?
>>534139373You're illiterate, it's okay. There are phonics programs for adults in your area, I'm sure.
>>534121666Only 400k people in the entire country makes the federal minimum wage. Market forces have moved the effective minimum wage up without government action. The Democrats trot this issue out each time they're out of ideas but they never actually pass it when they're in control. It's a wedge issue that only morons fall for.
>>534121666This would be the end of retail and small businesses. The whole world would be Dollar General stores with 1 person working and no restocking etc. Unemployment would hit 10-15% almost immediately.
>>534139444>You're illiterate, it's okay. There are phonics programs for adults in your area, I'm sure.you will win no hearts and minds here, jew.
>>534139073Is $20/hr enough to afford rent in California? Rent goes up faster than wages so perhaps we are both mad at the wrong people. Also I'm not blaming "poorfags" (everyone making less than $50/hr in California) I'm saying this is not the way to fix things.
>>534139499Can you share some of the economic literature you used in making this prediction? I'd like to read more.>>534139538You misunderstand me. I'm not trying to win your heart and mind. I'm explaining to you that you need to work on adult literacy skills. You can ignore this advice if you want to stay illiterate, but your low level of literacy sn't really my problem.
>>534123832this one post genuinely sums up everything wrong with americans. fuck making my life better as long as it hurts someone i don't like
>>534139005>Entitled You want more than earn it. Low income earners confuse hard work with tedious, flipping burgers is tedious not hard cause nearly everyone can do it. If some dumb fuck who can't even get a taxi licence makes close to what I do than it devalues my work which is significantly harder. If I don't feel I'm getting compensated fairly than I won't work as hard. Lots of people hold this view but few admit to it.
>>534139795That's correct, you have a high level of self-entitlement.
>>534139245>This isn't what a minimum wage attempts to accomplishAgreed. It is mostly a political move.
>>534139849He's not entitled, he just unfortunately doesn't understand the long term vision that we unionists have been working on for the last century and a half. But for that matter most unions have lost sight of the mission as well so I can hardly blame him. Their subversion by kikes has been catastrophic for the interests of white workers of the world.
>>534139736The whole MAGA movement is basically their orange surrogate daddy giving them moral permission to act out sadism and cruelty without ever having to face guilt or shame for acting out sadism and cruelty.
>>534140038>He's not entitled,He is, obviously. The language he uses is steeped in entitlement and undue grandiosity. It's not hard to spot these people.
>>534140204>He is, obviously.No he isn't, again he doesn't understand the true purpose behind minimum wage law.
>>534140267>No he isn'tOf course he is. People like this aren't hard to recognize.
>>534140313I'm starting to think you yourself don't understand what you're fighting for either. Shame.
>>534140204If you work you're entitled to a living wage. There is such a massive abundance of resources these days there's no excuse not to do this other than power projection. You're against it because you want to retain power and status over people. What other choice do we have? We are all forced to work for a middle man. Pioneer days are over. We're forced into this system therefor we must make demands.
>>534140432I haven't contradicted any of that.
If raising the minimum wage to $25/hr would solve all of the problems in our economy, why not raise it to $26? Or $30? Or $100? I'm not saying we shouldn't raise the minimum wage, but I reject this naive attitude that it will magically fix all of our problems.Yes, the minimum wage should be enough to provide the minimum, working a job full-time should be enough to put a roof over your head and food in your belly and stay ahead of your bills on necessities. But raising the minimum wage without fixing any of the underlying problems that forced you to raise the minimum wage in the first place doesn't fix the situation, it just kicks the can down the road. The economy needs a total reform, not a quick fix.
>>534140477>66/320×100%>more than 20% of the posts>they're all nonsense bait shitpostsYou're one pathetic loser.
>>534140513>If raising the minimum wage to $25/hr would solve all of the problems in our economy,Are people claiming it would solve all of the problems in our economy? Where are they saying this?
>>534140612I can't fix your poor literacy skills, anon.
>>534140267>>534140313You'd both wrong. First off it's not entitlement, it's called understanding. Harder work (agian not mind numbing tedious crap) deserves more compensation. I'm fully supportive of Joe below average earning enough for a small home/trailer, but I still want a four bedroom with garage home as compensation for my significantly more stressful job; otherwise I might just do Joe below averages job instead cause it's easier. If "the poors" want my support than they should help me fight agianst the kikes rather than taxing me into equality.
>>534140667You couldnt understand highschool-level economics, leaf. You couldnt help anyone let alone yourself, as evidenced by your flailing ITT. Good luck, friend.
This won't fix anything. Purchasing power is weak because of bloat and artificial growth. Cut down make work lahdeeda jobs, heavily tax online shopping, and ban advertisements and you will see a real economy instead of one based off debt and non stop growth.
>>534140628The implication is that it solves nothing. It just moves the demand curve rightward. This is literally highschool economics. The second and third order effects are obviously way beyond your ability to understand. Unemployment will rise. Then you can complain about, I guess. Retard.
>>534140628There are issues that arise from raising minimum wage without first addressing the root cause of the rise in cost-of-living, and by dismissing all these issues as "propaganda" you may as well be claiming that raising the minimum wage alone would solve everything since, after all, any claims that it would have any negative side effects, unintentional or otherwise, is a "myth" in your view.
>>534140980>You couldnt understand highschool-level economics, leaf.You keep repeating this like a wind-up-toy but never support it with anything I actually said. You could do that any time, but you haven't.What causes someone to feel so special and important that they really believe that their claims should just be taken uncritically, and that they're entitled to others automatically believing them?
>>534141266Okay. Can you show me the reading you did in support of your thesis?
>>534123147>>534132021>other people have to be worse off for me to be happy with my wages!lol, lmao
>>534141551It's so strange when conservative types get furious that other people's lives have improved.I can't even imagine what kind of sociopathic LSD confetti explosion is happening inside a brain like that.
>>534141551How many of the seven deadly sins is this wrapped all up in one? Like holy shit this mentality is going to make us go extinct eventually.
