And it needs it now.
>>534669672imagine trusting a trillionaire
>America needs UBI nowAre you going to pay for it, richest man in the world?>No
>>534669965Ai companies will. They have to.
>>534669672UBI is a solution in search of a problem.
>I want the nigger audience
>>534669672UBI is probably an inevitability, but it might be 50+ years out from happening. but get real europe will implement this way before we do
>>534669672high consumer prices are literally self inflicted by the orange retard
>>534670105Everyone will get it, leaf. No need to be jealous.>>534670154That's cope. It will be 2030 at the latest.
>>534669965i will pay for itjust give me the control of federal reserve
>>534669672Too bad. All your money is going to the illegals the left brought in.
>>534669672It's as ruinous an economic policy as food aid to Africa. It is gowever a comfortable policy for transitioning a declining population. Unfortunately, the replacements will be Indians.
>>534670393Jeet.
>>534669672Maybe you should try getting a job.
>>534670445Maybe you should stop raping kids.
lets make something clear for all poltards, and muskubi or uhi would never, ever worked in caplitalism/free economy.imagine that govs give you like 1000$, that cover 101% of your living expense and then mr. noseberg rise your rent 200% and Greed Corp. incrase prices in Wallshart 50%.. just becouse..so for ubi, rents either needs to be FROZEN or pods delivered for free by gov, and economy need to be "planned" aka socialism. then so called "ritch" wouldnt exist, so they woyld mot be forced to keep other ppl ubi by taxationthen for proper time for ubi, society need to hit 30-40% permament unemployment in style "robotisaion and ai took all simple/poor ppl jobs, permamently"ubi as a concept exist to keep unemplyed country population alive and feeded... cos otherwise your 40% hungry unrployed go goddam "eat the ritch" mode
>>534669672>AI will produceWhen? What has AI produced again??
>>534669672Or ... and hear me out. He gets the guillotine, and 1 trillion / 350 million = $2,857 per American.
>>534670488The economy at this rate will cease to exist without ubi.
>>534669672Hmmm, give everybody money or just kill them with newvirus33... hemmm hawww ....
>>534670590Getting rid of everyone won't solve their problems. It will, in fact, make them worse and they will eventually turn on each other.
>>534669672No, jews need a way to placate the goyim who might otherwise rise up and kill them.
>>534670290Not jealous of baboons with zero skills receiving free social value . Good luck with that tho
>>534670590the flight attendant tested negative, there will be no new virus.
>>534670757Thanks. Hopefully those skills of yours provide you the help you're going to need when shtf for real.
>>534669672Republicans will pass UBI soon. I just know it. The $200 billion they cut from SNAP will pay for it. The money just needs to be wired back from Qatar.
>>5346696721) no south asian immigrants, for 3 generations back, can receive ubi2) we did not even get the $2k tariff check
>>534671010They can save money by getting rid of welfare and social security after implementing ubi.
>>534669672Hey, Musk, why don't you pay the taxes needed to fund UBI? You'd finally be doing something worthwhile with that mockery of a life of yours.
>>534671064
>UBInah, you want UBC (Universal Basic Compute) as a path to UBI-style security with more upside: In an AI-driven future, everyone receives a baseline allocation of computational resources (e.g., a share of advanced model capacity). This is cryptographically secured and tradable on open markets. People could use their compute personally for creativity/productivity, sell or rent it for cash, or allocate it to companies, DAOs, or projects in exchange for dividends, equity, or revenue shares proportional to the value they provide. Compute becomes the new foundational resource, the lifeblood of AI development, data processing, and technological progress. This turns citizens into active stakeholders rather than just recipients.Niggers would probably need help figuring out how to convert it to fent, but I'm sure GPT could help them figure it out.
>>534672174That would be too complicated.
>>534672410>too complicatedFor niggers maybe. If you're a wyatt man with a modicum of agency and an IQ above room temperature, you should be able to figure it out. UBI relies on fiat distribution and inflation. UBC ties something of real tangible value. Ideally, you should be able to bypass fiat entirely and utilize crypto.To put it in material terms. Why trade IOU's with fluctuating value when you could be trading in precious metals? That's how compute will function. Something that only gains in value.> Why would Big Tech distribute UBC?To keep people from rioting and burning everything down, I guess. The alternative is mass cullings of the proletariat. While that's possible on paper, it never works out in reality. Also, that's a pretty dark solution for managing humanity.
>>534672802>If you're a wyatt man with a modicum of agency and an IQ above room temperature, you should be able to figure it out.There are many white people who still don't know how to use a computer.
>>534670550We're all going to be unemployed unless we throw our sabot into the weaving machine
>>534669672At the point where bots take everything over, money becomes even faker and gayer.
>>534669672>guy who says americans are lazy pieces of shit now wants to give them free money>unlimited free money won't cause inflationI don't believe him for some reason.
Bless you,OP, for being autistic enough to make UBI stick. The age of NEETdom is upon us. Praise be to Yevon.
>>534672830You don't need to know how to use a computer. Companies will emerge that will compete for your compute. You'll have to be able to read and write enough to sign up to sell your compute. It's not a matter of "how do I use the computer", it'll be "I have compute that's worth between $750~$2000 a month, depending on how I leverage it. Who do I sell it to?" If you can't figure that out, maybe you deserve to be culled. Although I'm sure companies would emerge to help people figure out how to use compute. I'm sure the government would have explainers as well. In a broad sense, those with high levels of intelligence will do better than those who are dumber. That's the way it's always been. That's probably how it'll always be. Still, you'll have to be really dumb not to be able to figure out how to make it work with all the resources that will be available to you. God help you if that's the case.
>>534673015It's already happening, and it's going to get worse. That's why we need ubi.
>>534672976in modern terms: teach ai to say nigger
>>534669672The solution to unemployment? More unemployment!Surely these people won't end up in meaningless drug-filled lives. SURELY!
>>534673592surely money will retain it's value when everyone has it for free
>>534669672https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKo10goC-GsThey're going to eventually implement it, not because they want you to have free money, but because the system will collapse without consumers and people will riot without their basic needs covered
>>534670012
>>534673759Exactly
>>534669672>>534673759Cute that you think they won't just slaughter all of us in some retarded war or accidental poisoning/bio warfare. There is nothing more elite hates than useless cogs.
>>534669672>goyim cattle desperate for handoutstruly the lowest lifeform
>>534674162Cute that you think they would succeed in that.
>>534674162Like nigger the fact there is microplastics in everywhere should alarm you. The fact we just getting an another shitty ass plandemic right after of fail of an attempt of another endless sandnigger wars
>>534670012Ai companies have negative margin. It literally costs them more than it's worth currently to run inference. Leftard commies dont understand this.
>>534674246Half of the my gen is trooning out or gay and alpha gen is just getting worse.
>>53467424690% of my gen is sexless gooners with no prospect of child and my gen is about to enter their 30s.
>>534674263I don't know where you're getting your info from but it's wrong.>>534674165Said the jewish worm.
>>534669672America is the last country that will try UBI.America is hyper individualism the country.They'd rather you die than give you a hand out.Europe will be okay. We will tax the AI and robot owners, the companies and the rich, and keep our people alive via redistribution mechanisms.
>>534674321We're already "trying" it. Test runs have been going on all over the country.
>>534669672>UBI starts giving people 4k a month>everything goes up by 4k a monthThis is actually going to make things worst and I low key support UBI.
>>534674271>>534674297So yes they *are* succeeding in that. Even the shitskin zoomers don't breed. They will get some shiksas and fuck off to their reservations while waiting the last bio-drone to die from old age to do whatever satanic shit they want. You and me ain't getting our star-trek utopia.
I'm just not going to pay for anything anymore.
>>534672802>The alternative is mass cullings of the proletariat. While that's possible on paper, it never works out in reality. Also, that's a pretty dark solution for managing humanity.the technocrats are ontologically evil and will do this to you and us. bye.
>>534674162they're already doing it? if you haven't noticed with the vaccines, wars, pandemics, all of the negativity for a demoralization of the mind then offering free euthanasia? russians being offered money to go have a drone drop a grenade on your head. it's all a litmus test, ALL of it.Just be above it, don't fall for it, and you're gonna make it.I'm gonna eat seagulls, dirt, treebark, bugs and literal shit if it means i'll survive, it's romantic in a way.I am gonna make it.
>>534674524Same. And if I don't that's perfectly ok too.
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>>534674321The American government loves giving handouts, we have a massive welfare system. We're run by malicious psychopaths though so we'll never get UBI. We'll just get a system with more and more money burning red tape. The fucked thing is people who are living in multi-generational welfare households, the ones actually abusing the system, are going to be totally insulated from the coming jobs crisis but the workers who lose their jobs to AI, the ones who did everything right but had the rug pulled out from under them, are fucked. God help you if you're in college racking up debt right now for a job that won't exist in a few years, you'll be in debt forever and have no way of getting a job in your field. People like Musk think that's fucking hilarious.
>>534675104We will get ubi otherwise things will collapse, including the economy.
>>534669672America doesnt produce anything now, how would ai change that? This guy is a total retard. Maybe in china this could be the case, not jewmerica
People just don't understand what money isIn the scenario of high automation UBI becomes increasingly irrelevantThe bridge can't be met with UBI, it will create inflation and scarcity in some areas where people were neededWhat you need is to maintain the economy by giving people tools to remain productive. Once AI+ROBOTICS can do >90% of essentials, UBI becomes irrelevant, like needing money to buy air... DUDE, trees don't need money!!! DuhhhhhRobots & AI don't need your "funny money" Literal colored paper, monopoly money.
>>534669672Will you pledge loyalty to the Beast?
>>534669672Based Elon.Just remember everyone, THAT 99.99% OF BUSINESSES ARE USELESS.
>>534675335I'm not answering that.
>>534675306People need shelter and food. Ubi will provide that.
>>534669672I agree with this on paper, the only reason communism is retarded and failure prone is because humans are involved-- I'm not a communist, but I did skim Marx and he did mention that technological development and breakthroughs were supposed to be a natural part of the progression of societal structures. Impartial machines were supposed to take over the production force. This seemed stupid for many years, because AI was either unthinkable or very rudimentary.On paper, yes, if the robots deliver and the AI doesn't go full skynet on us, then people should get UBI to help ease the transition process into luxury space communism.But that's on paper. Communism looks legit on paper too, but it just kills entire countries as its job in the real world.
>>534670253You're still buying from shit companies. If you bought from OpenAI you would find that you have all the tools required to literally automate your garden if you stopped growing roses and other non-edible foods.
>>534669672If Elon was the smart guy he is supposed to be, he'd be talking about people needia robo-taxi economy, aka semi-automationRobo-taxi is just for transportation. You buy it, take care of it, make real money. NOT UBI. The concept could be translated to "robo-taxi" For more than transportation, but to produce goods and services. Robotaxis producing solar panel part. Doctors could run health checkups with medical robotaxis, it could be mobile, take healthcare to people's homes. Etc.
Failure to move society past the point of low grade 1800th century slave tech will lead society into a luddite hell.We don't work for ourselves, we work to produce food for people who cannot feed themselves overseas.
>>534670488It will be a replacement for welfare.Everyone will get $2,000 a month or whatever. People who aren’t poor fags will be taxed an extra $2,000 a month. Simultaneously, all welfare programs will end. Lose your job? You’re no longer paying taxes.
>>534675577"Working" should only be for people who want to buy luxurious items. It shouldn't be q requirement just to live.
>>534675426Ok you didn't understand. Robots will provide it. Not fake money. Do you understand this? Robots don't want your stupid fake money. Do you pay trees for air? Trees is an example of full automation.
>>534675556>Elon is not smartThis is the most stupid talking point I have ever seen.How can you be so foolish to not see what he has accomplished. Do you think he has accomplished nothing? How can you not see the blatantly obvious of what he has done. I cannot believe that I am talking to a good faith actor when you say such blatant misleading lies and then repeat those talking points again and again when they are completely non-factual.
>>534675638The irony is that in current society working is a lifestyle choice in which a person can choose to be a part of long term slavery which lowers a person's longevity.
>>534669672>let me propose communism, but worse and more retarded because there’s no price controls to prevent price gouging. Whoever claimed Elon was a genius should unironically kill themselves
>>534675373>99% of economy is uselessUtterly wrong. Dangerously wrong. And you don't even need to think that much. I mean... Look around you. Pick any item.y Yes that one. You have no idea how to produce it, it needs workers, engineers using CAD had to design it, machines were probably involved and that too needed to be designed, people who know shit you don't. It's an entire supply chain of people coordinating work! Throw a wrench there and you are FUCKED, Venezuelan style.
>>534675627Do you even know what taxes are and where they originated from? Taxes were invented during war times to help upkeep the military campaigns.Taxes are inherently worthless and meaningless, as the government controls how much money is printed out, taxes are and always have been a tool for control. They are not actually needed in the world.
>>534675698You didn't say anything. I didn't say Elon isn't smart. I pin pointed exactly why the UBI argument is dumb. I laid it plainly. In a 1+1 way. For all you know Elon would agree with me. OP isn't Elon, he is speaking in behalf of Elon. Why is Elon talking about UBI, who knows? I'd like to know more details. But UBI is conceptually wrong and scammers have been trying many angles so low IQ people think it's finally needed. You think you want UBI, you want money so bad, you almost want it even if it becomes fake. You need purchased power, not money. I'll say it again: you need purchase power, not money
Kek remember when Elon wanted to restore freedom of speech and then you retards were like hurrr die hurrrr I'm gonna streamline assault and hate speech at Elon relentlessy with bots even!! Thanks for the free speeeeech Ellooooon Haaaa.Most stupid dumbfuck shit I have ever seen.Well congratulations you ended his ambitions for freedom of speech.Now you're saying the most stupid shit here where you're fighting him for no fucking reason other than pride and jealousy.The solution is simple. You look at the argument, you analyze it carefully. Then when you realize he is advocating for free money say yes and say when is it going to happen?The only thing that's stopping us from moving forward with society is our average mentality. We all need to move past it, and it's better if we move past it TODAY.
>>534675864You idiot. If we don't pay taxes, who's gonna pay for all the stupid gay shit no one wants or needs?
>>534675834I said 99.99% are useless.In simulations it is demonstrated that even if a person was able to improve an economy 10 fold, they would be prevented by the 99.99% useless industries.
>>534669914Imagine being a wetback... oh wait, you don't have to imagine.
>>534669965Stop being. Just stop. Because of the likes of you, idiocracy doesn't look like just a movie anymore.
>>534676035I used to work for this one place on North First St. in San Jose, and met Musk a number of times. He's a fucking idiot. I'm pretty sure all his swindles are a product of either his father or his brother, or both, or whatever, but not him. He's too stupid to come up with this shit. End of story.
>>534675627Anyone who wants to produce anything will pay taxes.Where does UBI come from? Inflation? The only way they might do it, because they know people are stupid, is UBI, with retard-money for retards. Self destroying money. If they push for UBI for real, the only logical step is that they use an anti-inflation measure. They need to destroy the money at a same rate is created. This means you'll get $500 per week. That account is reset to $500 every week. You can't save money. You can only spend week by week. This is little more than food stamps with extra steps. Prepare to be a slave in Jewish hell
>>534676350>Where does UBI come from?Taxes from ai companies.
>>534676080>In simulations8====D ~~~~~ (your simulations)
>>534674471If you sincerely believe that's the endgame, we're all fucked, and none of this matters.
>>534676350The problem with slaves is that they can only think in their framework of slave mentality, you will never be able to look past the cage you're in because that's the only existence your brain can justify living in.Taxes, inflation and FIAT paper money are all by-products of an imperfect slave system that was never meant to exist long-term.
>>534676391Ok you need to zoom out. You're not seeing there's a loop.Where does AI get money to pay taxes?from people's UBI. <----> where does UBI come from? AI taxesThat's... Not needed. Just eliminate money. Or just give people robot coupons... Worth your rations. You get to pick where to live, better social credit = better locations. You fuck up? You go to negroe town. UBI is no agency Jewish hell
>>534676350Your ideas suck. Money needs to print the majority of businesses out of existence. Furthermore my idea about this UBI is only distributing the money to people who will buy greener tech. Imagine being paid to fix the planet. This could be our future.>>534676405That's why you live inside a dull and idea barren environment.
>>534676545Ai will produce goods, and ubi will be used to buy said goods.
>>534676518They don't know what money is. Once you collapse money into a ping pong transaction between AI and consumers, it's no longer needed. Money exists to facilitate fractally complex exchanges across thousands or millions of actors in a supply chain. Each taking care of their own field, setting their price, recouping expenses, running their own numbers, deciding what to spend on. An all encompassing robot economy doesn't need money. What for? Bargaining with itself? All it needs to know is resource availability and output requirements
>>534669672>still believing that little manlet reptiledoes he even know his children's names?
>>534676667Oh, so you don't like my idea? Good! You are smart. Keep an eye out to self-destroying money. When you start hearing about it, you'll know you are about to get fucked.
>>534669672I'm excited because AI and automation means we can stop pretending eugenics isn't a very good idea. We won't need an ocean of low IQ dysgenics anymore to do the shit jobs. To go full speed ahead, we'll need to separate the people who can live in a abundant UBI world without turning into useless self-destructive antisocial degenerates vs. those who can't.East asia will probably win out since they aren't hamstrung with woke pc diversity bullcrap. They already have big populations that know how to cooperate and live peacefully. They aren't attached to rigid concepts of ethnic pride, and will gleefully alter their DNA, physically appearance, culture, implant chips into their brain and nervous system, when it's for an advantage or for the greater good. Meanwhile the west will devolve into a Wall-E world of obese drooling retards in wheelchairs stuffing their faces for muh diversity.
>>534676903Since 99.99% of businesses are useless, it would be nice to watch most east asia companies collapse. They won't however since they have an unlimited money supply supporting them. We should have an unlimited supply here.
>>534670393fox news viewer that got a 320 on the sat math. 59% of 19 million household illegal immigrants is still less nominally than 39% of 115 million usa households. try again, fucking incel retard from rural village in nebraska. next you're going to "normalize" it fucking retard
>>534676676You're never getting free money you fucking loser. Get a job you fat retard.
>>534677516Stop raping kids, scumbag.
>>534677559Keep begging for money on 4chan you broke degenerate, you look desperate.
>>534669672stop asking for ubiyou want BASIC income? with little chance of getting a job and only BASIC income you'll be dirt poor for life. at least demand uhi instead.anyways the problem with government handouts that we'll all be dependent on is that there is nothing stopping the government from tying that into a social credit system where you don't get your ubi if you criticize the government. would you like that? total information control? imagine another trump comes to power, you hate trump right? well imagine calling him an orange retard and demanding the epstein files got you cut off ubi? not so fun now is it?what if instead we had shares in these ai companies we could buy, sell, trade, and borrow off of instead. in decentralized marketplaces.
>>534669672It's almost as if the means of production should be...socialized????
>>534677775You're an idiot with slave mentality.UBI is to cover absolute basic human needs like food, shelter, water and warmth.If you want other needs covered like traveling, a car, a mansion, you will have the option to work for them, like you do right now.The problem with you fuckers is that you're already slaves that cannot see past the cage they're in.
>>534677775What if you stopped interfering with politics happening in a country that isn't yours. Ubi is going to happen regardless, but it needs to happen soon.
>>534676676You are retarded, baiting or not
>>534677951Explain
>>534677894you won't have the option because nearly all the jobs will be gone and everyone will still want and compete for those jobs because living on basic income will mean a pod and bugs.>>534677901how about you actually try to understand the point i'm making and come up with some kind of rational argument that refutes it. if you can't then it means i'm right and have a valid concern that shouldn't be swept under the rug.>interferingyou're fucking delusional if you think anything either of us says is going to change whatever outcome one way or the other.
>>534678076The writing is on the wall. I'm sorry you can't see it.
>>534677976AI cannot produce everything and anything, you will still need massive amounts of control of the automated systems.The jobs that will be gone are largely corporate bureaucrats who do nothing of real value, lawyers, tax workers, anyone working at an office with excel will be gone, anyone doing shitty programming, worthless menial tasks that an automated controlled AI script can do will be gone.You will still need people working with cattle, people growing food, etc.
>>534677901You're never getting free money or a robot girlfriend. You should probably just kill yourself.
>>534678076Your entire mindset reminds of the times in history before cars, New York had massive amounts of people working by just cleaning up horseshit off the streets, they also thought by everyone having cars this is the end of the world for them.But we're still here, and they moved on to better things.
>>534678189Of course you'll need someone to maintain it, but I think even food will eventually be grown by bots.
cant hapepn with 30 million illegal invaders in here
>>534678159>>534678274still waiting on an argument that debunks my rational and valid concerns
>>534678296Eventually, yes.But robots being that advanced is too futuristic to imagine atm.You still need someone to load the food onto transport, distribute it and transport it.The idea that automation and robotics will take over everything instantly is farfetched at this point, furthermore you will need humans to fix the robotics and program automation.
>>534678499They will probably be used to throw at Iran, possibly Russia and China too. Assuming they don't flee back home.
>>534669672lmao called it
>>534678519like i said, UBI is for those that do not contribute.UHI is for those who contribute and are useful.anything else doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
>>534678766>infinite debt for infinite spending for infinite profits in an infinite world!you can't possibly be this stupid, this has to be bait
>>534669672Great idea, let's make everything even more expensive. Why didn't you all think of that before this african nigger?!
>>534670488>implying western economies aren't already centrally planned lol
>>534678766eventually you won't have the option to contribute. ai and robots will do almost everything. nobody would rather pay you instead. so you'll be stuck on poverty income living in a pod eating bugs, but only if you're a good boy and don't question the government or the agendas or you'll lose your ubi. as i already said, and you still havent debunked my valid concerns, because you can't, because i'm right.
>>534669672America already has UBI.The issue is that AI is disrupting the UBI system which required college educated people get paid so that criminals and terrorists didn't get paid. Yall in clown mode now.
>>534670351What would you do that they wouldn't? Personally I would set interest rates to 20% for the lolz. 1500 point rate hike fuck you all.
