The fact that this is such a controversial "dilemma" is no surprise considering how retarded the average person is.
>>534687406press red
>>534687406'normal'you mean 'the new normal/' aka vaxxcattle?Ya, they are special.I asked a couple of vaxxtards if they believed in God before getting the jab, the ones that say they did not longer believer after the jab, in fact they are radicalized atheists now.
>>534687406>taps sign
>>534687406>everyone presses red>everyone survivesIf what these buttons do are presented beforehand, then this just turns into a test that weeds out shortsighted moralfags
>>534687406You press Blue to save the retarded Blue pressers. Thats how a high trust society works.
>>534687406Reminder to blue pressers, only 18% of the world's population are first worlders, you will be putting your trust in a world where 82% of people are greedy scamming third world rats.
>>534688420> I press blue, because that is how I think a high trust society works.Fixed it for you bluefag.
>>534688420Almost all white Europeans and Anglos will press blue, about half of Americans will too. Chinks, Indians, Jews, Browns will press red. Either you press blue and die or press red and live in a nightmare world.
>>534688887> Nightmare world> Only white handsome male in the worldLol... Okay.
>>534687406I'm sick of these red button blue button threads
>>534687406>>534688420>>534688887
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>>534687406I press red because I want to low IQ blue button pushers to die. We are not the same
>>534688887>>534687406Most women would press bluedumb bitches
>>534688885>>534688887Even if we managed to tell everyone to press red, people will press blue for infinite reasons and human retardation. Whites will also mostly die becauae they vote blue. Considering is the entire world, this means literally hundreds of millions will die at minimum, this is like 100 holocausts. If we vote blue, 0 will die.>>534689083I WONT let you die :^)
>>534689029Same.It's not a scenario that will ever happen. It's not a scenario that has any connection to real life. Plenty of people who would push the red button are empathetic caring individuals. Plenty of people who would push the red button are selfish assholes who only care about themselves. Plenty of people who would push the blue button are stupid or grifting or have bad reasons to push it. Plenty of people who would push the blue button are altruists who just love their fellow human beings.Literally nothing is gained by these arguments or considering this question. It doesn't reveal anything about human nature. At this point it's just a bunch of autistic people framing the question in different ways to suit the narrative about it they've set up in their heads.And it's a bullshit question to begin with. The whole situation is premised on no one actually being able to talk about it ahead of time when it happens.
>>534687406Clarifying question: do the survivors only pertain to those participating in the thought experiment? If not, what happens if you press neither?
>>534689280Well, then go out there and tell everyone to press the blue button. Become a blue button promoter, really get invested and safe the world.Enjoy the blue mind virus, but when it comes to it, why take the chance right? Just push red, if you convinced enough people, it will be fine.
>>534687406Red is the safest bet, why gamble
i saw a yt vid about this and the comments were all foids saying that they'd press blue and shaming redsreally funnyobviously blue is the immoral choice as it forces people to put themselves in dangerif anything, blues DESERVE to die and we ought to press red to remove them from the genepool
>>534689531What happens if you press both.It states only those who push blue die, so your vote can count as red, but the consequence will be blue.
>>534687406Imagine if the prisoners dilemma had an option to just go free right now. That's the buttons. Humanity needs a culling, badly.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to save yourself in this situation. Self-preservation is a valid moral imperative.There is nothing wrong with being willing to risk yourself to save others either. Desire to preserve the whole is also a valid moral imperative.You're not stupid for pushing the blue button. You're not selfish for pushing the red. But you're absolutely retarded if you feel so strongly about a bullshit scenario like this that you feel you have to argue about it incessantly.
>>534689531Also, if this is for all of humanity (not just button-pressers), does that mean babies have to make a blind decision that decide the fate of other button-pushers? What about retards? The color-blind? Dementia patients? Suicidals who want to press the blue button because it means they are more likely to die? What about people who just don't understand the consequences, like 60% of the world who lives on a dollar a day and can't read? Are we trusting our collective fate to everyone or just button-pressers?
>>534687406Whenever you vote, you should have to also push buttons like this. One obviously kills you, one obviously doesn't, the first iteration alone would probably go a log way to fixing the world.
>>534688319i see you've analyzed this deeply
>>534689083Now that you put it like that, the blue button seems more appealing.
>>534689419>Plenty of people who would push the blue button are altruists who just love their fellow human beings+1 lmfao for that
>>534687406We should do this irl for every American over 18, but then just lie and say blue didn’t win even if it did just so we don’t have to live with them anymore
>>534689094A red version would be "If 51 % of humanity presses this button, those that didn't die". In either case, most people would choose to not press the button because people make the choice with feelings and not with rationality.
I'm just saying, the real purpose of this question has nothing to do with ethics or logic or morality.It's really just an exercise in looking for excuses to look down on those who would hit the other button. You're all jackasses.
>>534687406Red would quarantee that you would survive, but it's mostly selfish brown subhumans that would press it so it's not worth it to press.
>you press the red button to save yourself>i press the red button because red is my favorite color
>>534690173i dont mind redpressing in itself, but many redpressers inability to see why anyone would do anything else is really aggravating to me when its combined with smug self-assuredness that they've seen all angles and know exactly why anyone else would not press red
>>534687406I press blue and if I die because you all pressed red that is ok because I don't want to live in a world devoid of virtue and good any way. Because I'm a man of the west,
>>534690173True.Which is only more of a reason to emotionally pressure you into pressing blue, because you didn't think of the innocent children who haven't had the chance to become proper jackasses.
>>534687406The fact that this is still debated is sad. The way to address this and explain the rationality of red, lies entirely in the precentages.Currently the blue advocates push for blue because with > 50% 100% of people live. But that needn't be a fixed point. What if you need 51%? What if you need 55%? Inversely what if you only need 20%? See this is where the blue position collapses. Because technically, ANY precentage below 100% is advocated by the blue side. What if it's 75%? Well that's still good from the blue perspective, because you only need 75% to push for 100% survival! What about 80%, 90% 95%? See even here the true blue advocate must champion blue over red because ONLY 95% of people need to press blue for 100% survival. Even at a 99% threshold, no matter how stupid it is, they still must logically press for the blue option.And therin lies the inherent flaw with the blue pusher, the actual percentage is a secondary concern, because any blue percentage is still less than the 100% red press required for total 100% survival. So blue is always their preference no matter how illogical it rapidly becomes.
>>534687406>>534687735>>534688319>>534689094>>534689204blue is the correct answerif you choose red you're actually retarded and all the evil people are left. you're left with evil people.https://ncase.me/trust/
Make sure everyone I care about presses red cause I’m pressing redSolved
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>>534690365>>534690460I agree. And fwiw I lean towards pushing the blue button. I think that's a natural instinct for many, obviously not for everyone. But I can see the case for hitting red.Point is it's a dumb scenario to begin with. Absolutely 0% chance of happening. Has 0% reflection on any situation one could realistically encounter - plenty of people who would hit the red button would likely run in to save a child from a burning building or sign up to defend their country if it was under attack. Plenty of blue button pushers would put themselves first in practically any other situation.No possibility of happening and no reflection on how people actually are in reality.
>>534687406>"My opponents won't let me lick another man's hairy asshole, or let my sister murder her baby, or let jews promote castration and circumcision. That means I will literally die."Genius democuckold logic
>>534690173I’d say it’s more like that Bell curve of retards, midwits /normies and actual people with a brain. With retarded FECALOIDS at the left side of the Bell curve graph and people with a brain on the right side.
>>534689852babies love the color red, they are all going to press the red one right awayyou don't have to worry about them
>>534690309Meant to reply this to this post actually >I’d say it’s more like that Bell curve of retards, midwits /normies and actual people with a brain. With retarded FECALOIDS at the left side of the Bell curve graph and people with a brain on the right side.
>>534687406So easy. Everyone knows beforehand that they 100% survive if they press red, regardless of what the others do. So the optimal choice (both collectively and individually) is to push red.
>>534689929I did. If we're talking about trust in the present-day, then it's retarded for self-described fascists to trust a bunch of mouthbreathing zionists. Red is the only choice for self-preservation in a society that hates you
altruism always loses to selfishness
>>534687406There is 0 incentive to be the first person to press blue. If there was 11000 red and 0 blue you would know which one to press. However, down the line, some Democrat would really choose to be the first person to press the blue button. After that the ethic dilemma cascades
>>534687406reds think humanity is a hivemind and anyone not in the hivemind deserves to die. kikes.
>>534690697You are wrong, because you discard redemption and time. Doing evil for the purpose of evil, can be forgiven, because you already accept it to be evil. Yet when you do evil, for the purpose of doing good, you can not have redemption and you would do it again. You are in the genocidal category then, killing them for the greater good etc.This is killing yourself for the greater good and making the self preserving and the neutral evil by your deed. This is the most hainous of all evil an unforgivable evil by any metric.Same for you>>534690904
>>534691553How does this apply to what I said?My point is that it's a bullshit question to begin with, only holding relevance to trolls.It has no bearing on how people act in reality and is not a situation anyone would ever actually be faced with to begin with. It's literally just an excuse to rationalize ways to look down on people who would choose differently.
>>534687406There should be a red button that automatically kills a random blue button pusher every time it is pressed. I'd stick an auto-clicker on that motherfucker until the internal switch wears out.
>>534689094You bumped the thread
>>534687406Red,easy. >but you're le heckin evil if you doDon't care
>>534687406>don't go into the death trap room>go into the death trap room, but if it's chock full of people the trap will get stuck and everyone survives
>>534687406This whole discussion is just covid vaccines all over again. The blue button is the vax where you needlessly risk your own health to virtue signal how much of a good goy you are. The red button is the refusal to take the vax. Notice that blue button advocates are using the exact same social shaming tactics as they did during Covid.
>>534691717No, I didn't. I never do.Its muscle memory at this point.
It's not contreversial.It's a redditor's attempt to be clever in suggesting that people that voted for Trump voted for everyone to die, but nobody would die if you had voted kamala.A retard came up with this. And people are retarded for spending any time discussing it.
>>534692182Except the only shaming I see is from red button people trying to shame blue button pushers.Most of the posts on this question are really red button copes as to why they're not selfish and how it's actually people who would hit the blue button that are the bad people.But it's dumb. You're not bad for hitting red. There's no need to try to turn it around on blue button folks. And no, blue button folks aren't better either.It's a retarded question in the first place.
>>534692182>As of early 2026, over 7.1 million confirmed COVID-19 deaths have been reported globally>Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare, and a direct causal link between the vaccine and death has been confirmed in only a small fraction of reported cases. While thousands of deaths have been reported to safety surveillance systems, these are generally reports of events that occurred after vaccination, not necessarily caused by the vaccine.
i push red because red pushers want me dead and i don't do requests
>>534691688I agree, but you were leaning towards blue, because you have a heart. It is evil on the obvious moral metric, because it brings death in the game. It is also evil on the deeper moral metric, death for the purpose to blame others. It is also irredeemable evil, because the choice is taken from the high horse of doing good. This is how it works, a moral trap. It also speaks to our guilt, which we have been indoctrinated for.
>>534692406Thank you for getting your boosters. You are a true hero.
>letting White babies/toddlers die because they don’t understand the premise and just pick blue because it’s their favorite colorCouldn’t be me.
>>534688887How painful or traumatic is the death for blues?Asking for a friend.
>>534689419You left out the blue pressers who just want out of this gake and fay world.
>>534687406No downsides to pressing red.Blue pressers are performative moralists who are hoping that they have enough fellow blue pressers so that they can socially ostracize red pressers once everyone survives.>Oh but what if your loved ones pressed blue?Then I was somehow unaware of this nasty little part of their personality and perhaps they were going to attempt to destroy me one day anyway.
>>534687406red if it's the entire worldblue if it's just my country
>>534690365>Im smart enough to know it’s the right choice but too much of a soi faggot to pass up an opportunity to shit on sensible people Norway in a nutshell
>>534690697nothing bad happens if you press red, why not press it? this is not a question of trust or conscience, rather it is a basic IQ test and blue is the objectively wrong answer.
>>534694534They are suffocated. Every mask they wore during Covid is shoved down their windpipe.
>>534687406>press blue>might die>press red>won't die
>>534692392Blue button pushers should be shamed though. Its the objective wrong choice, and any attempt to argue in favor of it just proves how fucking much they deserve the blue button death. This was no different than the covid vaccine.
>>534688420No nigger, thats how narcissism works. Do what I want or I'll kill myself is as toxic as it gets.
>>534688420>Thats how a high trust society worksnigger doesnt know what a high trust society is. or a jew trying to brainwash someone again.
>>534690697See >>534698482Disingenuous faggot.
>>534687406There is always something good that happens when you hit a red button. the shiny red button. the candy like - red button. If it erases history, then I win.
>>534687406Depends if children are clicking or just 18+.
>>534687406I press red purely for the chance for the moral bluefags to possibly die
>>534698618You know you want to
>>534688319Yeah it's like a prisoner's dilemma where the mutual betrayal outcome is tied for the best possible outcome.
>>534698314>people should be shamed for their response to a question that's bullshit in the first placeYou do you, man.It's not the simple answers to the question that are telling, but rather the actual responses and mental gymnastics and the emotional energy and the sheer need of some people to have this whole thing be more important than it really is.
>>534687406RED
what if...red = 70% of survivalblue = 100% survival if >50% press itnow what?
>>534687406Everyone on earth are placed in front of a green button. They can decide to press it or not press it. Will you press the button?
>>534692392Someone who pushes the blue button should be shamed for their complete and utter lack of empathy for anyone but themselves and their need to be percieved as a savior instead of a shit heel who is demanding that someone else accept their burden that they have taken upon themselves for no other reason than to appear superior.A demand that someone follow your example or you will kill yourself is a manipulators way of getting what they want. I will not allow you to influence my behavior beyond me calling you out for being a huge faggot.
>>534699034If there was a green button choice. I would be hitting this. Green > Red > Blue . Can't change the hierarchy here.
>>534687406If everyone press red, everyone lives and you don’t take the risk of losing at least half the population
>>534688887The bleeding heart dumbshits who keep voting for mass immigration will press blue, we'll be better off without them.
>>534688420In a high trust society, I trust people to not be retarded and bet and the only choice that doesn’t have a mortal risk for them aka red
>>534687406Upon reexamining, the fact that non-pressers do actually die if you press the obvious "nothing ever happens" button (that's otherwise the very obvious choice, despite the framing encouraging a manufactured consensus crisis to press blue) does at least make SOME reason to press blue
>>534699677Just not the reason thats being looked for in such a disingenuous choice. Personally, survival is rapidly becoming to great a weight to bear on the scale of dignity.
>>534688319It's framed as a prisoner's dilemma where there's a "you can literally both just leave without charge" option, and red is a much better choice, but I actually did fail to account for the fact that if you read it as written then all non-pressers die (but a lot of those arguing blue didn't even realise that either, and are arguing that we should all jump on the tracks to slow down the train when they think the tracks are already empty)
>>534688420>Thats how a high trust society works.there's also a purple button you can't see cus you're a pleb
>>534699822I know, most blue pressers don't even include that in the argument. I'd still argue that red is still the more moral choice in general though. I'm pressing blue >>534689083 for this reason though
>>534690697>if you choose red you're actually retarded and all the evil people are left. you're left with evil people.its not about who is left other than you, the person the question is posed to. Assuming the question itself is the only information one has, the game theory optimal choice is to choose red. You could also hold the cynical view that only a very small percentage of people will choose blue when the stakes are that high, therefor those remaining would constitute almost the same amount of evil as before
Do I get to talk to my family first? I can't guarantee they wouldn't push the blue button. I need to tell them not to press it.
>>534690697you have sub 80 iq
>>534688420There is no reason to press blue in the first place, if someone presses blue they're suicidal and aren't owed anything
>>534687406jewish psyop
This Red / Blue question is nothing more than a way to peer inside someone soul. Allow me to demonstrate:A happy, loving family of 5 is given this same choice. They cannot discuss what to do amongst eachother. They are merely told "if 3 of you press blue, no one dies. If 3 or more of you press red, the ones that press blue will die"In no universe, ever, does someone that loves their family press red unless they misunderstood the question.Now, this same predicament is giving to a group of people that hate eachother. In no universe do one of these people press blue unless they misunderstood the question or want to die.Blues love humanityReds despise it
I would be very interested to see the results if the color of the buttons were swapped, I have a strong feeling that normie directionbrained retards are choosing solely based on which color they associate with their chosen political party
Alright fellas>Red button: You prevent the cruise ship with Hantavirus from docking, ensuring you stay safe>Blue button: You dock the cruise ship so that you can potentially save people, but also risk getting the Hantavirus yourselfWhich is it gonna be? Saving yourself or other people?
>>534701912That is absolutely the case. 98% of people responding to the question do not see beyond red=orangemanbad, blue=democracy.
Mossad slide thread. You are all bots.
>>534687406Pressing blue is the only button that can cause death. It is your moral obligation to press red.
>>534703287but anon, a two week old baby may inadventently slam the blue button!why do you want to kill infants anon?
>>534699034i ethically go towards push the dam button, but if i push the fun is over :(
>>534702860additional context:>before anyone makes their choice, the ship is completely empty with the exception of a single broken vial that used to contain hantavirus
>>534704567Yeah.Blues have been raging on about how they’d save lives (only people who decided to press blue and knowingly endangered their lives) while risking their own too. Calling Reds all selfish murders for not wanting to kill themselves.Now the Hantavirus thing is happening and almost everyone is telling the ports to not let the cruise ship in and help people. The extra layer of irony is that the passangers didn’t know they’d get a virus over 20 years ago. At least if Bluetards die, they decided to risk it all by pressing blue. Now bluetards are condemning innocent people to death.
>>534687406The underlying assumption is incorrect. Most people are not rational actors, acting in their own self-interest. The "correct" answer is to assume the other person is going to betray you and never co-operate, i.e. press the red button. That's the case for one round. For games with multiple rounds, there are other strategies, but I'm assuming this is only a one round game. The guy that invented game theory was a paranoid schizo, btw.
>>534687406>>534687735>>534690697better red than dead
Every black and Indian person presses red
>>534687406Game theory is just disguised fascism and only retarded wannabees who bought the american dream hook,line amd sink proliferate it. Basically glorified Amdrew Tates/sigma grindsets/"one million dollars or a chance to wait this table" morons.
>>534688887Funny how it's the western societies that have been infected with individualism and selfishness and social canibalism.
>>534692406>over 7.1 million confirmed COVID-19 deaths have been reported globallyBetter check the WHO reporting guidelines on covid.>these are generally reports of events that occurred after vaccination, not necessarily caused by the vaccine.SURE, how convenient
>>534706086>Conviently, none of those 7 million deaths were Covid deaths>Conviently, anyone who has died 6 years after Covid started were caused by the vaccineok buddy
>>534690786Your image is a lie. It isn't the same as the original. It isn't that it becomes more dangerous the more press red, since there isn't anything stopping 100% of people from pressing red and being 100% safe. Blue strictly for retards.
>>534709126How is it effectively any different?It still means whomever presses the other button is a retard.
>>534687406Blue is worth the gamble, Christ would press blue to save the human race. To press red is to inadvertently kill the blues.Think of it like this. If this was the American revolution, red is to save your own skin and live in apathy, blue is to take the unnecessary gamble, for your fellow man, of deposing tyrants. If too many go red, the dissenters are killed, if enough go blue, the dissenters win. Life requires gambles >>534689114Exactly, it is the sociopathy button, an inherent desire to kill people. Notice how reds are afraid of niggers pressing red but are also glad that niggers supposedly vote blue>>534701120based
