RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY GENERATION HAS BEEN SOLVED
>>534808828Yeah but what if you don't have mountains nearby?
>>534808925Not my country's problem mate
>>534808925you still have the underground.
they were doing this with large concrete weights as well
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>>534808828So whats the catch? More niggers?
What is the problem of putting the 3 in parallel? Solar on top on the surface, and both reservoir from day and night on the bottom.Is just one of the many system possible that turn the law of entropy into null.You know a natural production that also ignore such le fundamental principle? Life.
>>534808828Yeah but this would require retarded government leaders to actually build infrastructure. That's slow and a lot of the money has to go to actual construction. There's not much room for grift. So instead they'll give tons of grant money to private-sector starts ups to never deliver anything.
>>534808828> panel takes 100000000000 kWh to produce> we solved electricity bro
>>534808925standard gravity battery where you lift whatever heavy thing and bring it down to spin a generatorthe problem with this and the pump proposal, which have been known for quite a while and Bill Gates used to obsess with them a decade ago, is that it is inefficient and tanks the EROI and you end up falling behind all other superpowers that chug gas and oil and can easily undercut you on pretty much everything. The reason why you go for fossils is because you can undercut the rest of the globe, it's as simple as that. Americans know this which is why they poison the continent with greenslop while they hit every single energy producer in the world until it comes under their economic umbrella.
>Bulgaria just discovered gravity batteriesGood job
This is like centuries old tech.The swiss have been doing it for 100 years (Zurich, Switzerland (1882), Schaffhausen, Switzerland (1909), Engweiher, Switzerland (1907)).And China has been doing it for a while too.
>>534808828Only feasible in variable terrain height. Energy density is laughable, only really a good idea with a pre existing reservoir at higher altitude with a drop near by
>>534809065Barely enough energy potential to run a vacuum for 20minutes...
>>534808828You know the Earth naturally deposits water up high sometimes and you can just build a dam on a river and let the Earth do all the work for you instead of needing to use solar panels. In fact, the ocean moves with the force of a trillion powerplants every single day with its natural currents and you can use that too. Pretty sure the force of the water flowing into and out of the Bay of Fundy every day could power our entire country alone.
>>534808828Or just use batteries?
>>534808828Can we not fucking invent something for power generation that isn't just another way of spinning a turbine? All the geniuses of the world and all they keep coming up with is just a shinier windmill
>>534808828You idiots will never be at my level of Power.I use lunar energy and harvest aaaaaall the tasty lunar Power while you fuckers get nothing.
>>534808828>HAS BEEN SOLVEDBut has it been Sovled? Or sold?
>>534808925not our problem matetry to ask france to lend you some
>>534809221>>534809239The point of this tech isn't to more efficiently generate electricity, it's to more efficiently allocate generated electricity.It's very much worth it.The point of it is to address a fundamental weakness of specifically solar where you don't get sun at night. And they solve it by turning solar into hydro, thereby bestowing the benefits of hydro power to solar.Dams can fine-tune electricity generation by controlling the flow of water. Now solar can do it too.But yea this has been known and done for 100 years already.
>>534808828There's a limit to how much space you can assign as pump storage and it's not always where you need the energy. The actual sites are rather rare, you need 2 large reservoirs at different elevations.Most facilities also only have a few hours of capacity on top of a bad efficiency.
>>534808828>techbros invented hydro plant
do jeets not know about batteries?
>>534809437Solar photovoltaic?
>>534808925Norway's domestic energy consumption is covered 95% by dams/hydro.Still we had the most expensive electricity in Europe recently because globohomo traitors export our energy and import it back.
>>534809043not nearly as scalable as pumping waterThe Foyers pumped storage can release 300MW of energy.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foyers_hydropower_schemesTo accomplish this output with concrete weights, you would need to drop 3kton of stuff at 10m/s.W =m g v -> 300MW = 3kton x 10 N/kg x 10m/s.A concrete block the shape of a hatchback is about 10m3 or 25 tons. You would thus need 120 such concrete cars to be falling concurrently to even have a chance of extracting 300MW of energy.If your cranes are 100m tall, then a batch of 120 cars are active for only 10s and only store 3GWs of energy. 3600 of such 120-batches are needed to store 3GWh. The Foyers pumped storage I've mentioned earlier, can store 6.3GWh.It's a lot more effective to transport a liquid than it is to transport a solid. You can leverage gravity to move the water in a controlled way, unlike the concrete. The pumps also run continuously rather than cranes that stop and start, so the pumps probably can have higher efficiencies than the cranes.The concrete weights thing is a quack idea.
>>534809437internal combustion engines don't have a turbine.
Solar price per watt via roll2roll solar and low cost mass produced graphene can drop to a price point that solar to methane (natural gas) becomes price competetive over drilling.The c02 output from the natural gas plant can be used to produce more graphene for solar and extreme high performance parts.Before 2030 the cost of panels to power the average home should be about $2000 Theres enough roof and parking lot space available for everything to be powered by solar, and the excess solar energy turned into methane for storage. Uses already existing gas infrastructure. Graphene also enables superior performance on the catalysts, as well as desalinization and extraction of critical minerals from seawater and waste.
>>534809437How come you're not angry at motors? They all spin
>>534809427we are only beginning to develop medium/large-scale battery storage. Even then I think we're still stuck on Li-ion and the measly 2.4V or smth that it comes withI think pumped storage was the only way of storing GWhs of energy before spamming battery farms.
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>>534809437peltiers and RTGs dont have a turbine. neither do solar panels. if you invent another non spinny generation device you will win the high score.
>>534808828this has been around for 70 yearswhy is this news?
>>534810660for me it's roundmeal
>>534809065kek. The new windmill. At least our water pressure will stay high.
>>534808828'surplus electricty'That's how you know this shit is a scam.
>>534809437Why don't you reinvent magnetism with new properties then, faggot?
>>534809065Youtube engineer did a proof of concept a barell of water 60 feet up as a kinetic energy battery and do it yourself turbines.Its enough to store a charge for one smartphone once after the sun goes away. Maybe you could double that by buying $300k worth of nanotechnology. You need a mountain, you at the very least 900 feet and a large swimming pool. And even then its enough for 72 hours of normal household spend.Thr sun routinely goes away for a week.You need an ocean on top of a mountain. 5000 feet drop. To supply 5 percent of a city's need.
>>534808828They already have these and they're far less complex. You use the energy created by solar or whatever to pull a heavy rail car up a big hill. When you need to take energy, the rail car rolls down the hill.
You could drill a hole and get to 5000 feet and robot munch away a swimming pool for the drop down there. Now your spending millions on a casing, the turbine blades that wear out, and your riding have to be at the bottom. Who has time for messing around with a mile of pipe?Just buy a giant battery from one day rush dot com. Your done.
>>534810234it will only get worse with datacenters
>>534808828>be the sun>evaporates ur waternothing personnel bro
>>534808828we've spent like 100 billion on projects like these around the country and they're still nowhere near completed lol
>>534811031stop noticing, goy
>>534808828How about winter with no sunlight?
>>534808828you need to solve maintenance free pumpingmaintenance free solar panels then you need to run the entire system long enough for it to make up the energy cost of constructing it to tha last shoe sole of the congolesian child laborer that digs the minderals from the soil used to construct the ics used to control your systemif it is still running without losing efficiency, youcan come back in the meantime we will be burning fuel to boil water
>>534808828This has been around a fair while anon. There's definitely some in Scotland, and last I checked we're experimenting with other forms of gravity batteries. Boomers are refusing to have battery farms near their villages.I've seen shipping containers filled with laptops that are charged by renewable sources and then discharged for energy.>t. I've been in the energy industry for a decade
>>534812319geothermal use temperature differential to drive pumpsuse pumps to drive generator???bring light to eternal darknessTHAT is why they dont want you to know that the ducks in the park are free btw
>>534808828Literally nothing new. There are reservoirs used to store power all over the place.
>>534809065>>534809385bulkd three and you can jerk off yourself and your goons with the vaccum for one hour straight
Christ, why can't everyone just move to nuclear power instead of their terrible "green" tech or burning fossil fuels. I hate people.
>>534808828>use an archimedes screw to pump the water uphill to the reservoir>catch the fish from the pumped water and divert them to a fish farm>build hundreds of beehives floating above the fish farm so the fish can eat the bees that fall into the water>humanely harvest caviar from the fish using the no-kill "fish milking" methodWould probably work best with those invasive asian grass carp, but hey... infinite money glitch unlocked
>don't tell him you can do it with locomotives
just put the pv panels in the reactor bro
>>534809654Problem and opportunity are the same thing
>>534808828This is all old tech though
>>534810234Did you also get told that it's because of Russia? If I remember correctly our news blamed Russia for it
>Something Switzerland does for hundreds of years is a happening nowGod do I hate you jeets
>>534808828>the amount of water that needs to be movedlol ok
>>534808828why did you use an aislop image. this proves no thought has been put into this, as most you had a short convo with chat gpt who blew hot air up your ass and convinced you youre as genius, as it was built to do
>anons talking about building reservoirs up in some mountain or building a small reservoir on the ground to charge a single smartphoneAre you people retarded? There is a thing called a dam and they are already used for producing electricity, through rainwater. Just pump the water up inside a dam and the storage problem is solved.>some of the energy will be wastedDoesn't matter. Just build slightly more solar panels. It will be cheaper and simpler than building a fucking reservoir at the peak of a mountain.
>>534813657Norway is connected to eu electric grid and sells their cheap-to-produce hydro power to european grid at eu electricity market price instead of giving it for nearly free to their own citizens. Citizens end up paying for electricity at the same rate as in other countries that are net importers but also had to have footed the tax bills needed to build all the hydro plants. Really makes you sick to see it
>>534808828Laws of thermodynamics says hi.
>>534814394It's the same in Finland too, we also get to pay extra because of Nordpool. My question to anon was whether or not their propaganda outlets were also coping about it a couple years ago by claiming that everybody has to pay more for their electricity because evil Russia stopped sending gas to Germany (or just a general claim that electricity is expensive because of Russian invasion of Ukraine), trying to shift the blame away from the Germs
>>534811566>UK hydropower breakthrough could unlock clean energy in once unfeasible locationsThey use a liquid 3 times more dense than water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz4BYXuAkqI
>>534808828Albertan here not my concern
>>534815001they should try with ball bearings
>>534809427that is a form of battery, cunt
>>534817360idiot pedant
>>534808828>extra solar energylol
>>534808828>Solar panels>Extra energyLet's stop right there
>>534808828those are known since 19th century at least and were used to balance power grid since forever - they are more costly to build and operate than battery storage (at least in area where i live - instead of increasing upper reservoir it was decided that it makes more sense to buy and place few hundred container sized batteries on nearby field...
>>534808925Use Lego
>>534808925just make a mountain out of any nearby molehills
>>534808828How about nuclear? No need for gimmicks. I'll take nuclear, yes. Fuck your green retardation. France knows what's up. They're the role model everyone should strive to be.
>>534808828>Solved for those who are bad at math. ftfy
>>534808828>Reinventing the hydroelectric damWhy
>>534809437Spin is life, amigo
>>534819007/thread
>>534808925least conspicuous Dutch person
>>534808828Wow, a water tower.
>>534819050It's like turning AC into heat pumpIt's a physics hack
so? any advancement in technology or productivity will not be freely shared, and you will still see your electric bill rise faster than the growth of your wagesI can't believe people are still excited about new tech when we live in a jewish prison planet run by genocidal pedophiles who want us to die and be replaced by indians.
>>534819758lmao thisthink of the technological advancement and industry, all it did was make it unable for the average joe to afford a house+familly
>>534819188But the amount of solar you'd need to pump a reservoir's worth of water uphill is ridiculous. It would either take too long or you'd need absurdly strong pumps
>>534811031electricity use isnt flat throughout the day tard. PG&E in cali was doing this exact thing many decades ago with surplus nuclear plant electricity at night. it works well
>>534820078imagine a nuclear energy plant that you run for like 2 years without turning off at all.at night when demand drops you can either just shoot the extra electricity into the ground or ineffiently use it to pump water uphill.i understand californias retarded use of solar leaves it with a super wacky energy supply and demand graph throughout the day
>>534810384They still spin
>>534820476Yeah, I understand the premise, I'm saying it's impractical. There's no passive element to the water being fed back uphill, the power demand far outweigh mere excess.
>>534813292KekNo but srsly just float them on the water
>>534809861Do you think the people in charge just want to make things good? That they want to fix things? Lol, lmao. If it can't make them a dime they kibosh it.
>>534808925lol fool - the hydro power down does not equal the power cost going up - not even close - this is propaganda/bait
>>534811106Hear me out:
>>534809861it's not at all - it's be studied multiple times - you'd need solar farms the size of new jersey to do it at scale - you guys are fucking retarded
>>534808925then you make a pile of rocks, you fuckwit. that is to say: a man has to make a pile of because you'd need a man to do it.
>>534808828now you only need 15 thousand pump-storage power stations
>>534809861Correct. We are working on 3 projects like that in Bulgaria atm. Get fucking ready
>>534808828Uhh, they've been doing that shit in Scandinavia for decades
>>534820954>>534820819its worked great for agessurplus energy cant be stored and isnt worth shit its super efficient because surplus electricity is worthless. some value> worthlessits worked for ages
>>534808828Sump it from out thin air.
>>534808925Sucks for you.
>>534808828>NUCLEAR HAPPENING>doesn't mention nuclear power as the obvious best solution to electricity generationfuck off, grune retard
>>534808828QUICK, FIND A REASON TO BAN ITWE NEED GLOBAL COMMUNISM NOT UNLIMITED CLEAN ENERGY
>>534822026Are you being obtuse on purpose? What part of>The excess power generated is not sufficient to pump the water back up in a closed feedback systemare you missing?
>>534808828thats just pumped storage with any energy source. switzerland basically stabilises the entire eu grid on its own using this „solution“plus, it is a net drain on the basis of net power, pumping water uphill isnt free, its just good enough for massive amounts
>>534808828>we invented water powerIts just sad at.this point
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