How long until german economy collapses?
>>534933130-7 years. We've been in a recession since 2019.
How does an economy “collapse”? Things just shrink. I imagine you basically gotta go out of your way to create some great depression type scenario.
>>534933130>We cannot simply continue like this>What's that? Make peace with Russia and solve our energy crisis with their pipelines, like we had done before the previous 20 years without any issues?>OMG you putlerite!
>>534933130It already has a while ago
>>534933130>untilnice bait dude, it's been dead for decades.ever since BMW got rid of the 1series, it effectively stated to the world>yeah we can't build cars for the working class, you're either going to buy a subpar product at rich people cost or not buy our cars
>>534933130That hairline is so FUCKED. Someone tell Friedrich to just shave that shit off.
>>534933338It's- debt (you can't sustain debt if your economy is shrinking and leftist governments never stop borrowing more)- social system (pensions, gibs for migrants)- bureaucracy (gov is huge and wants all the money it can get)- military (this costs enormous money and needs lots of capable men specifically removed from economy)While Germany was keen to tell everybody to implement austerity, it doesn't seem to be capable of telling this to itself. Germans should pay their debts, raise pension age, cut social security and gov spending. Will they do that? Of course not. They will keep borrowing and wasting money until the very end. That's how every socialist country behaves.
>>534933959lmao even after 1 trillion € additional debt and our now virtually unlimited military spending we still have among the lowest debt to gdp ratio of all OECD countriesand we have been practicing austerity for decadesyou save up when everything is running smoothly so that when shit hits the fan and you are forced to, say, curb stomp russia again, you can borrow a shit ton of money to deal with the problems
>>534933491>Make peace with RussiaThere's things you can't buy with money.The taste of bread baked from the grain that was fertilized by russian blood is one of those things.
>>534933130Nothing will collapse. There will be no reckoning. Things will just get worse, forever. Contrary to what Merz says, we can and will continue on like this.
>>534933130keep up the socialism
Looking at the economy through dollar-denominated GDP can lead to a loss of perspective.Twenty years ago, Japan's dollar-denominated GDP was the second largest in the world, but the Japanese economy was at its worst at that time.Currently, the Japanese economy is in a good state, and it's a comfortable place to live.
>>534933338The entire system is leveraged on enormous piles of debt that it's only possible to repay if the economy keeps growing, because financiers (that is, capitalists) run everything
>>534933959>leftist governments never stop borrowing moreThe current cuckservative government borrowed half a fucking Trillion as its very first act in office to share out among their corporate buddy buddies. They weren't even formally inaugurated and had already incurred more debt than the prior leftist government during its whole tenure.
Germany holds the E.U. hostage and does a pretty good job of keeping American and Chinese exports out so all costs for the failing economy will simply be dumped on the periphery states until cheap debt runs out and the E.U. can no longer afford to subsidize or bribe the weak periphery to accept shitty expensive German exports. Then China or America will step in to bail out the weaker E.U. states in exchange for direct trade treaties and market access, pushing non-competitive German exports out. That's when Germany will collapse like the U.S.S.R. after losing all its satellites. T
>>534934327grow up
>>534933130>we cannot simply continueYet you will and drag the whole union with you.
>>534933130I've lost count of how many world war flags have appeared in just the last year alone
>>534935082>Mutt thinks their exports are in the same league as ChinaLMAO
>>534933716was gonna say, just fucking quit having hair at that point
>>534935082>Then China or America will step in to bail out the weaker E.U. states in exchange for direct trade treaties and market accessChina and kike proxies like South America with their ag sector (beef, chickens, vegetables, etc.) most likely. If European farmers are finally killed off that way (uncompetitive pricing), it'll be a major brick on the road to the free-for-all that both China and the US are waiting for. A final looting of Europe.
>>534933338>create insane bureaucracy for your own power>you need to fund that bureaucracy with taxes and what you can't finance with taxes you take out loans from predatory groups like IMF >taxes eventually make running businesses impossible >global elite finances election campaigns of politicians who will enforce as much outsourcing as possible for their own wealth >all jobs gone this is why i'm not adverse to the lefty position of taxing ultrarich into oblivion, on paper it's not right, but ultrarich have been undermining their own countries for so long its time for retribution since the right way of nationalism/fascism isn't going to happen
More than 100,000 industrial jobsdisappear in Germany every year.YEAH AND MORE THAN 100,000 WELFARE MIGRAPIST NIGGERS APPEAR IN GERMANY EVERY YEAR>MUH INDUSTRY/ENERGY CRISIS BUT WE REFUSE NUCLEAR>MUH HOUSING CRISIS BUT WE KEEP PUMPING IN UNLIMITED FUCKING MIGRANTS
>>534935794>taxing ultrarichYour problem is that the ultrarich are also ultramobile. Retards don't get this, especially giga retard canary in the coalmine countries like norway, and the nordics in general.>want to jew $146m extra>opps the rich left the country>lose $594m
>>534935082>American exportsWat>>534935602European Farmers are literally buried in subsidies to prevent exactly that scenario. On top, the free trade agreement with the mutts fell through mostly to protect our food industry, and Mercosur was signed only in a significantly reduced form to protect our ag sector from cheap imports.Governments may be retarded, but not so retarded that they are willing to wreck our food supply.
>>534936121>the ultrarich are also ultramobileAre they, huh. Where do you propose they go? Russia? China? Leanr to bow to the local head honchos there, who will squeeze them ten times harder?Enjoy the great air in India? Go to some shithole developing country? Go to the US where they have no network and need to bow to the US-american native ultrarich?New York now taxes the shit out of the most wealthy. And not a single one has even moved outside the city limits. You can't just replace locally tied networks as you imagine.>opps the rich left the countryThat scenario has never happened IRL. In Chian, uppity billionaires simply get disappeared and reformed into proper citizens. How many have fled? None.Bootlicking submissive fearmongers like you need a good smack in the mouth.
I sincerely hope you germans starve and freeze to death this winter.You are a retarded species of 60s hippie Green energy utter morons, and you do not deserve to have security, basic amenities or a good future. You dirty, fucking, refugee welcoming, spargel eating, sitzpinkling gutmensch
>>534933130Germany already collapsed. It had since March 2 failed Bund auctions. Its literally in the last months of Soviet Union situation. The polity and bureaucracy scum still performs the motions but factually has no power and no budget
>>534935794>the lefty position of taxing ultrarich into oblivionIt's a retarded approach entirely rooted in trying to exploit envy for political gains. There's no depth or revolutionary value in it.The problem is that socialism essentially gave birth to neoliberalism by increasing the payroll expenses beyond an acceptable level for capitalism. This forced a kiked system that is forced to grow because it has to generate interest and profits to find the growth elsewhere. Taxing the superrich now wouldn't fix any of the underlying issues. You'd just kill the already barely existing social mobility for an, at best, one-time gib because the rich will just leave eventually anyways.Fundamentally, if you create a country that punishes success too harshly, you create the same human issue we already see with NEETs, i.e. people just stop contributing because the available paths (like wageslaving to maintain the same economic status) aren't worth it for them.The real problem with the superrich is their ability to consolidate power, like kike Ellison is doing with his media empire. Taxing him more won't change the insane amount of influence the guy is building. Ofc, the left doesn't address that. They don't mind monopolies if they cater to their delusions.
>>5349331302 more weeks.No really, other countries will collapse first. Germany is the biggest and most important bastion of Europe.
My guess is Belgium France UK or Spain will collapse first
>>534936121It also fundamentally misunderstands what money is. It's not magic that transmutes into what you want. The rich don't actually spend that much on themselves and most of that is on positional goods. In reality, taxing the rich is just shifting management to people with government contracts.
>>534936451Neets are no problem. They are front runners of a failed state. They defected from the game and stopped cooperating. And on taxing the rich. 1/3 of German ACTIVE population already pays 2/3 of the tax inflow, while the rest defects into half time quarter time non taxed activity or informal economic relationships
>>534936621France and Belgium have no failed sovereign bond auctions. Nobody wants to buy your debt german scum. You already collapsed
>>534936665Muh booooondsThey are in a worse position than us even economically
>>534933130You spelled global wrong. Get ready, strap in and hold on tight. Global collapse is imminent and a lot of people are going to starve. Famine incoming!
>>534933130Why do they bring more niggers if industrial output drops druing last 10 years?If demand is smaller then you need less workers, all will have jobs. Why do they need more niggerjeets?
>>534936716No they are not. No matter how much YOU are brainwashed by the fail propaganda by your polity masters, the market already decided, Germany is not going to make it another 10 years, likely not making it another 3 months. But stay loyal like a retard, and don't forget to pay your taxes and follow the paper law like a cuck
>>534936755The niggers are meant as collateral for debt on paper. The naive boomer idea is: banks and investors see growing population, banks and investors going to buy more debt of expecting growth. Germany failed bund auctions show that is not the case anymore
>>534934327Based Kraut.
>>534935893Things are better than ever!
>we can't keep destroying power plants and importing endless browns while letting usurers have free reign and control of the money printerAre you going to stop?>of course not
>>534936789Ok
>>534935082Are you fucking retarded? Of course you are.
>>534933130Turns out skyrocketing energy prices and stupid regulations have a lot of downsides.Who knew?China, that's who.
Any same news from Russia?Are they gonna collapse soon?no?
>>534933491That's impossible.Simply because Western Europe is going to support white genocide. Russia is under control of jews specifically Putin is half jew and he is importing muslims and jeets into Russia like nothing. US is doing war with Iran. Europe is over and it's main problem is liberals who are too retarded and want more blacks, they don't even push them to work they just have them there on gibs, economically it's basically dead. Germany won't save it self until it's going to left EU completely and rest is basically fuck all. Eastern Europe needs to leave EU too it's not viable anyways.
>>534936627>Neets are no problem. They are front runners of a failed state.They are more than that. Every NEET is basically disqualifying himself further from any productive activity with each passing year. After 10 years, most NEETs have completely lost touch with the realities of the economy and are on a terminal path to a lifelong need for welfare unless the state via some jobcenter spends the money on them to either reintegrate them into the jobmarket or to help them fund a business (unlikely since 9 out 10 business fail anyways and nobody trusts a NEET to be the exception).NEETs are snowballing welfare sinks, and sure their ideological rejection of wageslavery makes sense, but they're certainly more than just heralds of a failing system. They actively contribute to the failure.
>>534937017Good cuck. Luckily looking at the participation rate, the inflation adjusted tax flow, the criminal statistics, the desperate attempt by the polity trying to find capital and press it out of a population that largely defected is ending in failed state. You are an absolute minority of cucks if you work 40h/week pay taxes and stop at red lights
>>534933491Reminder its the US driving a wedge between Germany and Russia since more than 100 years because they know this alliance would be their end and the end of the kikeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Gouq6hp-0
>>534937149The neet is not disqualifying himself, the neet disqualifies the social contract. They are not a problem to themselves, they are a problem to a failed state, that has lost its power in the Weberian sense, legitimation and is about to lose its power in the Hobbesian sense. Btw, every single "retiree" sits in the same category as the neet, a net drain on the failed state
>>534933491>Make your infastructure dependent on an aggressive neighbour with a history of closing the valves in diplomatic disputes.What could go wrong? Next up better give your house fuses to your neighbourhoods angry nigger, what could go wrong?
>>534936914>banks and investors see growing populationIt's also simple debt per captia. Every bank has a threshold for the debt a single person can accumulate via credit cards, loans, etc. Every new jeet or nigger is a lean slate for the banks and new source of debt, his lifetime the collateral he brings to the table to repay it.
>>534937338In theory yes, in practice not the case anymore. A bank won't for risk reasons give a 30 year loan to an Abdul that has been on gibs for 5 years straight and is never going to be able to service the debt.
>>534933130We had the chance to force their hand with tariffs to put those industrial jobs in america or be unable to compete in our market, but Supreme Court cucked and Trump did it wrong. You're supposed to lower taxes in your own country as you raise the tariffs on others so the other countries manufactures are forced to move their jobs here to compete.The fat orange retard couldn't even do that right.
>multiple "Germany is collapsing" threads a day always by memeflags Who could be behind this
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>>534937534What else would you call a state that tries to raise 8 Billion dollar on the international market and only manages to raise 3 Billion at higher rates. That's a failed state
>>534933491>Make peace with RussiaYou fucking antisemite ! Goyim need to die for the jews !
>>534937761What a bullshit. The war in Russia is the only way for Europe as a whole to expand credit. A bank and international investor won't provide capital for an internally failing state, but its happily going to provide capital for a war as the war creates demand for goods and services they are invested in that generate growth for the investor
>>534937534Straight from the good 'ol KGB subversion and D&C tactic book.
>>534937314>The neet is not disqualifying himself, the neet disqualifies the social contract.He does both, because over time he abandons his ability to re-enter the system and thus, he only exists to be a drain on it. In that way, he robs himself of agency too and, ironically, will need the system to help him to regain any agency at all (even tho he'll reject the kind of help the system does offer anyways, since the system offers only wageslavery).Sure, the NEETs sacrifice of his economic agency forces the state to treat him as a problem in need of a solution, but by claiming the power to solve the NEETs problem, the state actually reclaims its power in the Hobbesian sense - the NEET only survives in his subjugation to the leviathan. Even if the performative monthly visits to the jobcenter are a farce, the leviathan still dictates the performance, thus demonstrating his unchallenged power.>every single "retiree" sits in the same category as the neetDo they? Don't the years of applying, refining and passing on knowledge already account for a lot for the maintenance of the system? Let alone their tax contributions (especially if they were men)?The NEET can't point to any of that.
>>534933130> we cant continue guys> we have to do something guys> continues to give Ukraine 100b a year> continues to buy US weapons for 200b a year> continues to shutdown nuclear reactors> continues to sanction all possible alternatives to Russian gas > continues to buy into the green energy scam without building the backup energy infrastructureyeah bullshit.
>>534933130they already said "now you'll werk for longer hours goy"its over. when your economy forces the regular guy to enslave himself for the benefit of someone else, you got fucked
>>534937623Why would international market need 1% return in meme currency, real inflation in europe since 2020 is 100%They can force invesment/pension funds inside EU to buy those bonds, there are no problems, they will all die and collapse anyway
>>534937884You have a very stereotypical thinking about them term NEET. A Neet is the perspective from the failed state, a person that is OFFICIALLY in no way active that the failed state extract resources from them, that doesn't mean that the neet isn't active in informal non official ways>B-but back in the geezers daysThose days are the past, they don't matter in the now let alone the future. The retiree is in some way worse for a failed state than the neet. The retiree represents an extractable individual whose quality to be extractable became negative. The neet never existed in the calculus, the retiree is a real net negative
>>534933338>How does an economy “collapse”? Economies of the modern day are layers upon layers of sub-economies that keep the circle spinning.If one of the layers crumbles, the whole system breaks down and everyone is fucked.>We no longer have a steelworks, which we used to make cars, which we sold for fertilizer, which we use for food, which we feed the steelworkers withCongrats, by removing one thing, you actually removed 5 things! And those 5 removed things affect 25 things, and those 25 things affect 125 things, and so on.
>>534938037>Pension fundsHilarious. Yeah that appears to be the planned solution. The UK did that already after the failed gilt auctions. The funny part is, that solution is based on the assumption that pension funds are going to see higher net inflows from a growing active population, when in reality pension funds see outflows exponentially growing . It just accelerates the financial collapse of the ponzi
>>534933716It's actually very deliberate and inspired by the Warsteiner beer commercial from the 2000s, you just don't understand his style
>>534937886Their goal is the total destruction of Germany and Germans to replace us with Niggers, Indians and other shitskinsDidn't you get it by now?When did you drop off the boat?
>>534938466He wanted s hitler stash but he missed his lip.
>>534937321Russia didn't close the pipes ever. Nordstream was working during the war and they were selling and still do sell oil to Europe. All restrictions are not from Russia.
>>534938144>that doesn't mean that the neet isn't active in informal non official waysMost NEETs don't do anything meaningful. They waste their time with games and other forms of entertainment. Sure, you might know "a friend" who doesn't fall into that category and who is technically only a NEET from the state's perspective. That's realistically not the case for the majority of hikikkomori tho.>The neet never existed in the calculusThe NEET exists in the calculus in the same way a migrant does: they extract without having made any contributions. If anything, the NEET can at least point to his ancestors and say "my family contributed for centuries", the migrant can't even do that.>Those days are the pastNot quite. We're in the middle of the issue of knowledge transfer right now where boomers who spent their lives learning how to do their specialized tasks leave the workforce without having any comparable replacement. Not least because Ahmed, the supposed fix for our demographic problem, never understood the instructions or never showed up to work in the first place. For this particular problem, the NEET who doesn't show up either just adds to the dilemma.
>>534938494>Please be loyal to the failed state>Because short term debt collateralLmfao. The only correct play as German would be defection, but apparently 20% of you cucks are rather staying loyal and going down with the ship. Typical German cuck. That's why it took the gdr 30 years to collapse, instead of 15
>>534938239if you are simple goy you will have jewish assisted euthanasia, tis time to slaugher boomers before death, meat of animals that died with natural death cant be eatenif you are middle class goy (1 mln - 10 mln usd ) then you buy real estate, gold and land for pension (outside of EU of cource)if you are rich goy or non-goy then you will steal money of poor goyim that store money in memetic funds, so solution is logical, it will not increase goy fatigue much, they are senile anywayso those debt auctions in memetic fiat currency mean nothing, they can print any amount they need
>>534936373EU cant do shit if you park your wealth in offshore accounts, unlike the US. The EU has no bite nor ability to investigate beyond its borders>that scenario never happenedliterally happened in the UK months ago
>>534938618Your problem state cuck is that you look at the situation from the perspective of a loyalist, that considers it a problem that your masters are losing every form of power and the ability of continuation of power. Tell me cuck, how dependent are you on continuation of power, the social order staying intact and not going full dead of the Leviathan
>>534938629Nigger socialist, the "yid" doesn't concern me. The Leviathan is not even able to extract a single dime in taxes from me, let alone enforce your stereotypical for this platform >Be afraid Bullshit narrative. So do the platform a favor Ivan and fo die in a ditch so your masters can expand credit while you die
>>534938618>Most NEETs don't do anything meaningful. They waste their time with games and other forms of entertainmentHave you tried getting them a job?>Oh of course we tried giving them a shit-tier slave-job which won't fund a house, family or even sensible lifestyleNo no no, a JOB, the thing people of the 50's bought houses at the age of 30 with? Give them that, or they won't work.
I recently vacationed in Morocco and met multiple zoomers who somehow had suddenly gotten a Student Visa to Germany with mediocre credentials. I saw entire streets plastered with learn german / get your student visa ads. Apparently its the only thing Moroccan youtubers talk about. What's going on? Did they fully open the floodgates now? I thought France was supposed to be the sinkhole of Europe. Is it like here where small towns have been suddenly flooded with Arabs and niggers in the past 5 years?Kraut anons please give me data I'm curious.
why don't Doctor Ahmed and Engineer Mubarak just work these jobs?
>>534938913There is no incentive. And we are at the point where a subset of so called neets are going to take, e.g challenge the monopoly on violence of a failing state
>>534936373>That scenario has never happened IRL.I literally told you where it happened. Norway. https://imglobalwealth.com/articles/norways-tax-experiment-a-costly-exodus/>>534936972+13 future tax payers!
>>534939085Well that's good for the NEETs then.
>>534938704>the EUTrue, because the EU has no mandate to fight tax evasion. Individual memeber states however, do. >literally happened in the UK months agoDidn't hear anything about that. And since when does the UK of all places tax the ultrarich lmao. The yhave the most neoliberal pro corporate government imegineable.
>>534938909I just tell how markets reacts and humans behave. When time comes strong will eat the weak in individualistic societyFinancial memetic economy and real world work different way, real world belongs to goyimYou should read some books at or least watch movies about "yid"
>>534939141Personally I cheer and support every youth criminal group I see in action. I don't care that they are majority abduls and Mohammed's, but the look on the face of the loyalist getting extracted while I walk by and ignore his cries to "call the police" is priceless
>>534938794>you look at the situation from the perspective of a loyalistI don't. The broader topic is still decline, and the loss of know-how is inextricably linked to this decline as the economic productivty derived from knowledge does indeed die out if nobody replaces the people that have it. Observing that no NEET lines up to do it either doesn't say anything about my stance towards governance at all.There's no link to any dependence on my part here, and I honestly couldn't care less about why you're getting hysterical imagining one.
>>534939118>a favoured destination was SwitzerlandWhich happens to be completely sorrounded by EU countries. Of course, using the EUs collective power to shut down tax havens within our zone of influence would be a must. A sternly worded letter with a polite reminder that one tank division has more personnel than they have inhabitants should do the trick. Those leeches only persist because they are tolerated.
>You have jobs? We don't do that in GERMANY
>>534933130Shouldnt have kicked out Hitler
>>534939312What decline? The world keeps on turning, there is still economic and social interaction, it just happens outside the reach of 20th century obsolete vertical institutions. The only thing declining is their power and the security of its loyalists
>>534939201EU states can't see what you are holding in a US bank account (if you are a big fish). The US can see what you are holding in a EU bank account. Same for offshore havens. They will comply with IRS info requests but wipe their ass with the German equivalent. Source I worked in this industry.
IMPORT MORE TURD WORLD SAVAGES AND JEETS>IMPORT MORE TURD WORLD SAVAGES AND JEETSIMPORT MORE TURD WORLD SAVAGES AND JEETS>IMPORT MORE TURD WORLD SAVAGES AND JEETSIMPORT MORE TURD WORLD SAVAGES AND JEETS>IMPORT MORE TURD WORLD SAVAGES AND JEETSIMPORT MORE TURD WORLD SAVAGES AND JEETS>IMPORT MORE TURD WORLD SAVAGES AND JEETS
>>534939340Whoever threatens Switzerland will have to answer to countless jewish and arab billionaire pedophiles and warmongers
>>534933130It is already collapsing and at this rate in ~10 years nothing noteworthy of their industry will be left.
>>534933338> Things just shrinkBut at the rate as it's occurring in Germany it's justified to call it a collapse.
>>534938239All EU pension funds have been "loaned" to ukraine. Thats why politicians have to keep the war going at all costs.
>>534935018>cuckservativeThere is nothing conservative about CDU if you mean that. That is a myth that they are somehow "Conservative". They aren't. They are "Christian Democrats". They have had coalitions with Socialists and neo-marxist Greens for decades.
>>534940427Not formally, but informally, yes sure. The bail-in clauses are already in the drawers but as said, with overall declining cash inflow into the boomer ponzis and a factual net outflow it buys if lucky 2 quarters of breathing room, that end in Q4 26
>>534938466>warsteiner>pic shows krombacheryou already had to much warsteiner didnt you?
>>534937245>America caused Barbarossalol
>>534938597All those "mechanical failures" when Russia wanted to put pressure Germany were totally genuine.
>>534933130sounds like they need some data centers, that'll save their economy just like america's
>>534933716shut the fuck up wang
>>534941448fuck's sake man, you're rightthat's what happens when drinking warsteiner beers at 3:30 PM on a tuesday, I should have listened to the old saying "kein bier vor vier"anyway, going to get more warsteiner beers now
the burned bridge with europe itself. For years and years they acted like they were in charge, forcing deals that were always only for their own profit. Kept countries poor while they flipped the value of their product for their own benefits, without spreading the wealth,and only demanding more and more retarded shit to others. Mercosur is their last forced disaster that only solve their problems and obliterate the whole union's agriculture with no benefits. Those rats needs to suffer for a fucking century. Become the next greece. Nobody will miss that cultureless wasteland
>>534934327You realize being anti Russia is making you poor, right?
>>534933130nothingburgertwo more weeks
>>534933716are you implying the golem has any self-awareness?
>>534933130>We NEED the privilege of working ourselves to death in factories for our entire adult lives!
>>534933338because monetary values get locked in on assets and liabilities and reducing them creates an issue
>>534936716>>534936373You niggers better get your asses to work before Turks get angry, Germs work so Turks can live happily, that is your destiny
