Falling birthrates have nothing to do with the economy. It has been shown time and time again that when people have more money, they have less children. Poor people squeeze out kids quicker than anybody, aside from Mormons and other religious weirdos. It's entirely a cultural problem. Women do not belong in the workplace. Dual-income households becoming the norm has utterly destroyed traditional gender roles. No woman wants to work a full time job and raise a kid, and practically they can't. Then they have to pay some retarded teenager or kiddy-diddling tranny to watch their kid, which causes damaged kids that hate their parents and thus hate parenthood as a whole. The solution is not "just give people more money". The solution is to do a complete 180 on modern feminism, which will never happen. The demographic collapse is already here.
>>535009161Yes, it all goes back to the introduction of hormonal birth control and the effects that had on adding working women to the economy.
>>535009161Your gonna need more than your disability payments to afford this lifestyle.
>>535009161Women belonging in the workplace effectively doubled the supply of workers, lowering wages for everyone. Taking their rights away now will hurt businesses, if you want that you MUST import enough people to cover for the labor losses.
Most women are literally on hormonal alteration pills that make them have less kids so they work more (like men).In Germany they'd juice up their female athletes turning them into fucking monsters so they got better scores. This is the same thing on a near global scale and it's one of the worst atrocities ever inflicted on mankind, and it's done so casually I can only hazard a guess at what else we truly do and have done.
>>535009161What's the point to increase population when fewer workplaces will be left for new generations anyway
>>535009161>>535009375>>535009526>>535009634The problem is you're not good enough for most women to desire having your children. Set your sights lower or become a better man. It's that simple. Most dudes don't have problems getting gfs and wives, it's just a small segment of losers like you.
>>535009735Go back to bharat you filthy dalit.I have 2 kids with more on the way.
>>535009735For 99% of history you didnt have the choice slutYou having a choice is destroying society. So, you can either choose to not be a slut, or you can never choose anything again.
>>535009820>>535009943For 99% of history you would be drafted into war and work hard labor all day. Now you're just sitting on your phone complaining about being a loser. You are the obsolete excess males who used to be expended in the past.
>>535009161>It has been shown time and time again that when people have more money, they have less children.Women, not people.Every 5% increase in female income, decreases their chances of reproducing by 4%Every 5% increase in male income, increases their chances of reproduction by 1%The solution is to take money from women and give it to men
>>535009161Right now we're simply in a perfect storm of occurrences that destroy birthrates.>women pushed into college/university education >1,000 flavors of birth control from condoms to the pill to abortion to promote promiscuity and consequence free sex>promiscuity is treated with general apathy and pointing this out is deemed worse than sucking 1000 cocks >economy is in the shitter where two average jobs are hardly enough to get by, let alone buy a house and support a family>environmental fags virtue signaling that having kids (only white, western countries of course) is the worst thing you can possibly do and "WE NEED LESS PEOPLE (but not in brown countries)">marriage is put off longer and longer (average age of first marriage is near 30)>women aren't shamed for being single, in fact they cope by saying they're proud and single by choiceThere's probably a lot of other shit I'm missing/not expanding upon but it's no wonder at all birthrates are dogshit. The economy plays a factor, but it's certainly not the primary factor like retards think it is. Give everyone unlimited free money and the average woman won't start getting pregnant from the average man.
>>535010031And the dalit can't even read.Even ChatGPT can read.
>>535009161>I'm going to say the exact opposite of realityBack to the sharty
>>535009526>Women belonging in the workplace effectively doubled the supply of workersit also allowed them to fuck more men
>>535009161You're kind of correct. It's true that poor shit holes have higher birth rates, but that's only because they are able to immediately financially benefit from having children which doesn't work in an "advanced" western society where children are a financial black hole that can't pay for itself.If you want to actually sustainably increase the birth rates you need people to be living in a more primitive society where children are the free workers in whatever small/family business they are born into. However if you do want to keep an advanced economy, the first steps I would do is end the government pension, allow children to work not as employees but only can legally work in parents businesses. And of course end no fault divorce, alimony and child support as there are also major risks that turn children from asset to liability if you happened to have been born with a penis.
>>535009161It has nothing to do with money. It has to do with desire for an easy life. Modern humanoids are the most privileged and spoiled creatures that ever existed in human history. Raising even a single child is a burden too great for them to bear.
>>535010031But the men working hard labor aren't breeding en masse either.Society has always been rife with "excess" males. But now "excess" is being deemed over half of them. This may be a shocker, but most men have NEVER been desirable, there were just societal forces at play that practically, and literally, forced men and women together.The nail in the coffin of letting women choose their mates is that it invariably will lead to dismal birthrates. It is a dead end. It kills a civilization. You either breed or you are replaced by people that do. It's as simple as that. It may take time, but it WILL happen. You cannot not breed. It's mandatory. You do it, or you're replaced by people that don't give a fuck what women think and just make them breed.
>>535010031>For 99% of history you would be drafted into war and work hard labor all day. Now you're just sitting on your phone complaining about being a loser. You are the obsolete excess males who used to be expended in the past.Jewish horseshit.1. In the past, even recently, the vast majority of men (and women) found mates and had children.2. If the problem were the fault of men only, then we'd see some large fraction of women doing all the right things and still being single, which just isn't supported by the statistics at all.3. These males are neither excess nor obsolete (at least not in North America... but I couldn't care less if I tried about India's issues).4. This everyone's problem, whether or not you caused it.5. Sub-replacement fertility rates threaten short-term human extinction. Not in 10,000 years... in less than 250.
>>535009735Women want two contradictory things to be true.>men and women should earn the same amount of money even when women do retarded makework like HR roles while men invest money, time, and energy into mastering skills like surgery, nuclear engineering, etc.>but also a man should earn more than I do so he can support meYou can't have both these things be true. Women are simultaneously trying to tear away men's power but also saying they need to be powerful.
Capitalism has forced women into the workplace. We need the maximum amount of workers to produce goods while forcing every member of the household to work two jobs to afford rent and food. We need to tank the economy and fuck over the billionaires if we want any hope of humanity to continue. But it will never happen because people will gladly pay $90 for their BING BING YAHOO! videogames and weed.
>>535010031>For 99% of history you would be drafted into war and work hard labor all dayI would of perfered that. Probably would have been killing jews, muslims or the French. Win win win.
>>535010983Nobody can afford a single earner family income. Kids are fucking expensive. Daycare alone is $700-$2000 a month depending where you live. Not including healthcare and food. God forbid your kid plays a sport one day. Women also have to work in this hellscape economy because production can’t go down, it will fuck over the economy. Billionaires realized more workers is good for economic output. Women have to work. Period. The billionaires decided this. So a woman has two choices. Try and find a Chad with a $130k salary at least or work. You can blame women all you want but if the choice is settling down with a fat /pol/tard or working a job to provide for herself what do you think she will choose?
>>535011348The poor are still having the most kids and the rich dont have more. Its not the economy. Get over it.
>>535010983Ultimately this boils down to women wanting the guarantee that they won't have to align themselves with an unattractive man. They would literally rather be single forever and die alone. They don't care about the bigger picture or the greater good because the only thing they care about is themselves. Having an "equal wage" means they no longer have a need for a man. So now the only way they'd be with a man is if they want him.Women don't want a good 70% of men. They never have, and they never will. Society was formed around not giving a fuck what they want because caring about what they want will invariably lead to society crumbing. We figured this out thousands of years ago, then un-figured it out and now we have to relearn it all over again.
>>535010031Who makes posts like this unironically? Is it a bit or a paid shill?Men are sitting around doing nothing because working 60 hours a week won't ever afford you a home or a loyal wife.What do you expect them to do?
The solution is artificial wombs. No man wants to deal with modern women.The other solution is to deport millions of brown men and import millions of women. Preferably they will just be surrogates for white eggs and sperm.
>>535009161No. It's entirely about managing women's expectations.If being poor is considered normal, women will just accept it. When work is difficult and unrewarding, women just find a man to do it and turn to being a stay-at-home mom.But when work is easy and pays well, and being rich is the norm, that's when women want careers. They want the independent high-rise life. A stay-at-home mom is seen as lesser.And that's when society stars to collapse. Easy times don't make soft men. It was always the women who were the problem. You have fewer fighting age men because birthrate plummets. And the men you do have are less invested in the country because they can't start a family. The women who are enjoying lives of luxury can only scream uselessly during a crisis, and so it all comes tumbling down.
>>535011348>Try and find a Chad with a $130k salary at least or work.Chad is a multi millionaire who has a 5+ woman harem.
>>535011440“The poor” yes because it’s a need. When poor you need children to work and contribute to the household, to help raise your other kids for free, to help look after you when you die. This is how different to when we were peasants. Kids were essential to survival of yourself. Now they aren’t if you make just enough money and have a retirement plan with social security. This isn’t a “women’s rights” issue or else we wouldn’t be seeing this in China or Turkey or Hungary. The birth rate collapse is worldwide, in every industrialized country. The human species is not meant to live and work and slave away for billionaires in cubicles. Meanwhile the global south still produce children in less industrialized nations and especially where kids are an asset.
>>535011054I think it's more insidious than that. These women aren't employed en masse in jobs that produce anything at all. Most women (and even a good chunk of men) are employed in bullshit makework useless jobs that should not exist. This runs antithetical to capitalism. I'm not sure what to call it, but in a truly capitalistic society/economy, we would not find it necessary to keep people employed for the sake of keeping them employed.But maybe it's the ridiculous bloat of our economy that lead capitalists to create this bullshit to begin with. The idea of everyone being employed means labor is effectively worthless, since anyone can do a bullshit job. It then deflates the wages of real work since now people that do shit that matters, like a garbage man, are paid as much if not less than a woman in an office that answers two emails a day.
>>535011802>When poor you need children to work and contribute to the household,This isnt 1850. Most people do not benefit financially from children. You need to get over it. Its not the economy.
>>535011348>>535011683Women are the ones who pushed for this to become the status quo in the first place. Have you ever heard of the paradox of female happiness? As women gained more of the rights they claimed they so desperately needed, their collective happiness also went down. And, once again, if you're so convinced that it's purely an economic game... Why are there so many spics and niggers in America that can push out 4 or more kids despite working for peanuts? >>535011517I've been told all my life I was attractive, I've had more sexual partners than my age ever since I was 15. I'm tall, have a big dick, and white. I also have no children.
>>535011802No one gives a shit about your philopshical pontificating either. The question is what is causing the collapse of the birth rate. The answer is birth control and culture. It is not the economy. People were having 4 kids per women in cities during the depression. Statistics dont care if people are happy or not, or what people are meant to do. Go write a novel, dont try to solve logistics problems. Youre embarrassing faggot.
>>535011875I feel really sorry for people who lack any sense of class consciousness. You people just listen to YouTubers like Jordon Pederson and feel intelligent when you’re no different than the serf. Go ahead. It’s not your fault women don’t want to fuck you or be around you. It’s probably some other group that the billionaires want you to be mad at. Yes, that must be it.
>>535011802>This isn’t a “women’s rights” issue or else we wouldn’t be seeing this in China or Turkey or Hungary. The birth rate collapse is worldwide, in every industrialized country.All those countries are infected with the same gynocentric laws as the west. Some even worse like China.
>>535009161Yeah, it's easily demonstrated everywhere. The poor throughout all of human history have way out-bred everyone else. Whenever I hear people saying that in order to address the birthrate problems they're going to try and improve economic conditions I scoff. I think the only thing which actually works in that vein is a government program to remove taxation or reduce home loan burden. So a system where for example, each child you have reduces your income tax burden by 25% of your rate (so if you're in the 24% income tax bracket, you have a kid, now you have an 18% income tax rate. Have another kid and it's 12%, then 6%, then never again). Or you get a home loan for newlywed young married couples (first marriages only) where each child born subsequently reduces your loan burden by 25%, and on child 4 all your principal payments are refunded to you. The thing is, you need those programs coupled with years of positive propaganda extolling the virtues of marriage and family, and you'd also need to completely revamp the family court system to make marriage less of a dangerously risky proposition for men, and severely penalize women and men who initiate divorce outside of instances of infidelity or documented physical harm.
>>535009161Basically women enjoy being financially independent more so then they do being mothers, what's more important the will of the group or the will of the individual?
>>535012009>feel really sorry for people who lack any sense of class consciousnessAhahahahahaha*Deep breath*HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAFaggot thats not a thing. You live in a fantasy world because youre too intellectually weak to deal with reality. There is no metaphysical connection tied to material possessions you goddamn pagan lol. Or lack of material possessions i guess. Like, the gods seperate your consciousness from other people the second you hit a higher tax bracket. Youre a fucking clown how says clown shit that belongs in a circus. You will never solve anything in this world because you want to live in a shitty movie. Not face the world as it is.
>TLDRWomen are literally children and they shouldn't have control over the continuation of our (or anyones) culture and people.
>>535009161>Falling birthrates have nothing to do with the economyShalom
we don't need more humans
>>535012303The poorest countries have the most kids.
>>535011802I think that when a nation is industrialized, modernized, safer, and more prosperous, everything shifts from needs to wants. And that means women shift from finding a man they need to finding the man they want.Women do not want the lion's share of men. They do not desire them. They don't want to settle down with an average man and be his wife and the mother of his children. They do not WANT that. When societies like ours get modernized like this, we pretty much tell everyone that they don't need to do anything at all anymore, and that means most people are going to pursue hedonism. They're not going to give up having fun and doing whatever they want to do. Not at large.
>>535011348>Nobody can afford a single earner family income. Kids are fucking expensive. Daycare alone is $700-$2000 a month depending where you live.Why do you need daycare if you're a single income family? One parent is there to stay home and take care of the children. >>535011993>The question is what is causing the collapse of the birth rate.>The answer is birth control and culture. It is not the economy.Were this truly the answer, then in places with different cultures and different access to birth control, we'd see high fertility. We don't. Those places are just as fucked as the rest. In a sane world birth control would be useful for spacing out kids... no one wants two in diapers at the same time. In clown world, it just lets happen what would occur even without birth control. Seriously, if it disappeared tomorrow you'd have skank sluts smother babies in cribs to not have to deal with the consequences of their "lifestyle".The real answer is so much worse. There is a contagious mental illness, a pathological psychotic childlessness. And it's transmitted to most boys and girls when they are young. There is no virus nor bacteria, so there's no vaccine or medicine for it. Only quarantining them from the carriers (green-haired kindergarten teachers?) works. Even that's not perfect. Most of the men posting here have it too... the ones telling you that they'd never want to have kids with a woman. They're infected, and they're probably spreading it to others via /pol/.How the fuck do you even begin to fix something like that?
>>535011885>I've had more sexual partners than my age ever since I was 15Assuming this is real, it just shows what I'm saying. I'm guessing you're agreeing with me, but women would rather be Whore #7 in Chad's rotation than Wife and Mother-of-children and sole #1 to a man they don't truly desire.
>>535009161The people who don't have kids, solely because they are too poor. Are the one's you want to have kids, because they posses the genetics that innately understand long term planning. Instead, we're several generations deep on welfare queens and illegals giving us some of the best self-described "Americans" yet.
Anon it's actually far, far more systemic than just "women in the work place". You have to kick women out of higher education, too, and if you actually want this to stick, you have to repeal women's suffrage.It's when women have OPTIONS that they increasingly choose to delay having kids, or to forgo it altogether. You have to restrict options to young women to the point that having kids becomes the BEST option. Not merely AN option. And no, you can't use rational, logical male standards for evaluating choices, you have to think about this as a woman, i.e., with unimaginable selfishness and lack of personal accountability. So women when they finish school, have the option to go to university whether they can afford it or not, thanks to predatory student loans they're too stupid and naive to question their ability to repay. This allows them to immediately escape from parental authority and supervision, and go to an environment where virtually no restrictions will be placed on their sexual behavior. They are free to sleep with literally as many men as they want. They can use birth control to remove any threat of pregnancy. There is absolutely no social consequences for them behaving this way. Women can continue this libidinous lifestyle by getting a job after school and living on their own, or with roommates, again without anyone to hold her accountable for her behavior or to supervise her, so she can continue to sleep around without any consequences. This phase of her life can continue well into her 30s, at which point her youthful looks will have faded and she has to compete against women 10+ years younger than her for the same pool of men, and it's a competition she'll only lose more often from here out.Usually women either desperately seek for a long-term mate at this point, or gradually turn into embittered feminist hags coping about how they actually never wanted a family and are happy alone (never mind the Xanax prescription and therapy bills).
>>535013012>How the fuck do you even begin to fix something like that?An enormous, probably violent societal upheaval. One that's so enormous I can't really even begin to describe what it would look like or entail.
>>535013195So, how do you change this? You can try to socially engineer women into preferring marriage and children instead of unlimited sex and total freedom, but there's no woman anywhere who will turn down unlimited sex and total freedom. Even the best women will still take that option, even if they don't abuse it to the degree the worst women do, because to them being married is synonymous with being "tied down" and they don't want to be "trapped" in a relationship before they've had a chance to be on their own for a while. But the end result is still basically the same: they stay single and childless late into their 20s before they start thinking seriously about marriage and having kids. The average age for a woman having her first child is now around 28 years old. It used to be 22 in the 1990s. Shows how bad things have gotten in just 30-ish years.As long as the "unlimited sex and total freedom" option exists, women will pick it. Even the "good" ones. So you have to remove that as an option. There's a lot of half-assed ways you can do this, but they will never really work. The best way to do this is to simply forbid childless women from attending university. Of course this is just step 1. If you take away college, women will just get jobs as the next best option for living independently. They'll substitute the easy access to young men on college campuses with the club and bar scene in the cities they live in. So you have to go to step 2: ban women from employment until they have at least 2 children. From her age of legal majority, a woman's primary and ONLY viable option for going to school or getting a job is to prioritize having children as soon as possible.If you want to prioritize stable marriages rather than women getting knocked up and attempting to raise children by herself, you need to create strong incentives to marry. Like giving married couples access to special loans to buy a home that forgive huge percentages based on the number of children
>>535010086I don't know your indian terms, ranjesh>>535010514>1. In the past, even recently, the vast majority of men (and women) found mates and had children.Oh really lol (didn't read the other 5 points since the first one was so badly wrong). >>535010983If you understand women so well you'd have easy time with them. These are just mantras you use to self soothe. >>535011536Be better. Men have become lazy, low test, fat, pussified, etc. This naturally makes you less competitive, less rich, lower social status, etc. Just get off your ass and stop being a loser.
>>535009161>No woman wants to work a full time job and raise a kid, and practically they can't. Yes they can.
>>535013195Pretty much all this. We tell women that it's good to take on massive debt, sleep around, and delay marriage/family creation "until they're ready". Women are considered a geriatric pregnancy at 35. They can, most of them, have children starting as girls at 13. Here is how we tell these women and girls to live their lives:>13-17, you're a child, too young>18-22, you're practically still a kid, go to college for 4 years, live on campus, get railed by a new guy every other week, you need to """find yourself""">23-27 you're just establishing yourself in your career, don't worry about finding a man now, you have plenty of time! you're young! 25 year olds maybe JUST finished developing their brains!!! go travel, have fun, find who you really are>28-30, ok now you can start to date seriously if you want to, but no rush! you're finally entering "real adulthood"!>30+, NOW you're a real adult. NOW you're ready to start looking seriously for a monogamous, happy relationship! forget the 28 men you've fucked in the past, that's all in the past! Mr. Right is waiting for you! But you better act fast because you now only have 5 years to find a man, date him, move in with him, get engaged, get married, and THEN start pumping out maybe 2 kids if you're lucky before you hit 35!It's "conventional wisdom" to tell women to forego over half of their childbearing years, then when they're older, more used up, presumably make more money, and are less desirable with standards higher than ever, NOW go find a man!
>>535009161I agree with you but at the same time I don't care, I'm never getting married because I don't want to deal with women.
>>535013235>An enormous, probably violent societal upheaval. One that's so enormous I can't really even begin to describe what it would look like or entail.It wouldn't fix it. It might be cathartic, there are some real whackjobs that would enjoy it... but after the dust had settled, effective fertility rates would stay right where they are. This "contagious mental illness" isn't ideological. People who recognize that there is a real problem, who want the problem fixed, they still have it and find it difficult or impossible to fight it within themselves. They're posting in this thread and others like it all the time. And any violent social upheaval is likely to kill so many of reproductive age anyway (look at Ukraine) that it exacerbates the problem. We're fucked as a species.>>535013649>Oh really lol (didn't read the other 5 points since the first one was so badly wrong).Go look at your family photo album. Great-grandpa wasn't some 6'5" chad with great hair and 19" biceps. There were some exceptions, pre-monogamy Utah and what-not. Of course it doesn't fit your sour grapes mentality, so you do what you need to do to cope.
>>535013781The result of that is usually a future petty criminal, social defective, or serial killer or all of the above. Single motherhood is the number one risk factor for a young man having psychological problems that lead to criminal behavior. There's no other factor more deterministic. Avoiding single motherhood should be priority 1 for anybody who actually cares about reducing crime and social problems.
>>535009161>Falling birthrates have nothing to do with the economy.It is directly why I don't have kids or a relationship.
Most young women completely believe that working in an office, doing zoom meetings, powerpoints, excel sheets, and focusing on their daycare career is the most important thing to ever exist. idk how they got brainwashed into believing slaving away for some soulless corporation is more meaningful than raising a family. insanity
yes but only if its paired with less men's rights as well, for example lets say we go back to squashing women's rights but you are still a neet, you should lose electricity or something lol
>>535013633Something like this is already de-facto done to men and it hasn't changed. Guys with kids take time off, leave whenever they want, get raises, are considered for promotion first. Single guys are told to stay late and grind out the work and then get fired during layoffs.
>>535013926Then I guess american society is just cucked if women can't do work while having kids.
>>535013975No man would willingly choose to live as a retarded loser NEET. Similarly to how nobody willingly becomes a crackhead or a fentanyl junkie. It's always a surrogate activity / neutransmitter source for people who have been traumatized or deprived of more healthy options.
>>535014018I don't know if you know but men can't birth children.
>>535014098you say this but college 8 years ago was the easiest time on the planet to get laid, yes countless men just sat inside playing league
>>535009161>Falling birthrates have nothing to do with the economy.>Dual-income households becoming the norm has utterly destroyed traditional gender roles>The solution is not "just give people more money".You're too stupid to understand that it is about money. paying more is literally the solution, and people claiming otherwise are GOP shills.
>>5350141348 years ago was 2018, and the society and especially men-women relations have been utterly absurd since at least 2012-13, about when iPhone and Instagram became common.
>>535014147correctThe lower class people squeezing out children were either all doing it for welfare or because Catholic contraception is forbidden.>NO WE NEED MORE HUMANS SO WE ALL LIVE IN DEEPER POVERTY BUT THE STATE NEEDS US ALL IN CASE THERE'S ANOTHER BIG ARMY WAR SO THE STATE CAN THROW US ALL AT THE ENEMY IN A ZERG RUSH KEKEKEKEKE
>>535013012>Were this truly the answer, then in places with different cultures and different access to birth control, we'd see high fertility. We don't.... can you name a single country without high access to birth control that doesnt have double our birthrate? Single one? Because high access to BC is the SINGLE MOST common factor to low birth rate countries. LolThe rest of your post is pointless because your premise is insane.
>>535013974It's because to those women, it is validation. Money is validation. Education is validation. Fucking Chad is validation. Instagram comments on their thirst trap pictures are validation. Everything they do needs constant positive reinforcement. Also it fuels their endless pursuit of hedonism. Women just want to fuck around and have fun, they don't want to do anything that is hard for back ended fulfillment. The same could be said about most people, really.
>>535014018Those are really, really weak incentives. Men are not hard to coerce into marriage. Historically, men did not need a great deal of incentives to be convinced to marry a woman, because men are actually capable of falling in love. Falling in love is a really foolish thing to let happen to you, because it gives a woman immense power over your, but it is the natural tendency for men to let themselves be seduced into marriage by women. The issue is in the 20th century, women gained the ability to live independently of men, thus they no longer had any incentive to seduce men into marriage cause everything they previously gained by marriage (security, money, a home of her own, etc) she could now get for herself. Furthermore: she could have unlimited sex and zero accountability, which very few women in history ever got to enjoy, but now virtually all women get to.It's WOMEN who have to be incentivized to marry, not men. Men in the past consented to marriage, despite its restrictions on him, because a woman convinced him she was worth it. Women aren't even trying to convince men anymore, so men aren't keen on marrying. Women have no reason to try to convince men to marry them because they prefer unlimited sex and zero accountability to the commitment of marriage.
>>535011885>I also have no children.cucked manwhore lmao
>>535009161>Falling birthrates have nothing to do with the economy or money>It's due to women working because no one can afford to raise a family on a single income anymore, but this is because of feminism, not money or the economyFucking retard.
birth rates won't increase while women are allowed to work
Countries that have never been rich also see declining brith rates, it's just africa and afghanistan that aren't doing this.
>>535013012>Were this truly the answer, then in places with different cultures and different access to birth control, we'd see high fertility. We don't.Uh, we do. Africa has shit access to birth control and is EXTREMELY anti-abortion and pro-marriage. They have the highest fertility on the planet. Closer to home: Mormons are anti-abortion, anti-contraception, very pro-marriage. They have some of the highest fertility rates in the United States. Amish people, same deal. They literally do not even have condoms in Amish communities. Young people are pushed to marry by their families. Super high fertility, like 4-5 children per woman, usually. Meanwhile every single modern country where women have unrestricted access to birth control or even abortions, no pressure to marry, and are encouraged to join the workforce, go to school, live independently, etc, all have terrible fertility. Regardless of their politics, regardless of their economic situation. China? Second lowest fertility in the world. Russia? Nearly as bad as China. Japan, the capitalist power of Asia? Garbage fertility. South Korea? Worst fertility in the world. Not a single socialist utopian European country has above replacement fertility. USA? Below replacement, only as high as it is because of mass immigration from countries with far more restrictive options for women.
>>535014490Women don't work for money, they *could* get money for free by simply being cute and funny, but they prefer going to the office and "working" for Schlomo so that they can feel important and powerful.
>>535014490Women work because it allows them to live independently, which means they are not held accountable for sleeping with whoever they want. Women will take any option which gives them the ability to live this kind of lifestyle, even if it means being a wage slave. Not being accountable and unlimited sex are that important to women. All the supposed "costs" you come up with for kids pretty much disappear if you have one parent devoted to taking care of the child at home. "can't afford to raise a family" is an excuse from somebody who doesn't really want to raise a family. If you want kids, you make it happen. You find a place to live that works, you adjust your lifestyle to accommodate children. That's what people in the past did, because having children was important to them. It's not important to you.
>>535014870Women work so they can live independently. See >>535015193Money is incidental to this, it's simply the most likely way any woman will be able to live independently. In theory, if she could find a dumb fuck willing to pay for her lifestyle no questions asked, and have an "open relationship" she'd take that in a heartbeat, probably. What women really want is no consequences and the ability to sleep around as much as they want. Having a job is just the most feasible and accessible way to do this for most women.
>>535015306You're mostly correct. Consider though, that even women who made tons of money through stuff like porn, OF, marketing, they still end up "working" and making themselves "important", even though they have enough money to retire forever (which is what a man would do). Women are completely status obsessed.
>>535014262>can you name a single country without high access to birth control that doesnt have double our birthrate?"Fertility rate" is the correct term. "Birth rate" makes you sound like the ignorant dingus that you are. Virtually no countries have double our fertility rate, which is just below 2.0 (actually rather high by global standards). These include the full litany of Islamic shitholes and other repressive regimes, all of which have even lower fertility. Strangely, central Africa (the one place with double our fertility rate or even higher still) does have some access to birth control... NGOs hand it out like candy in those places. The only intelligent conclusion is that birth control is probably a symptom of the problem, but not its cause. This doesn't fit your narrative though, so you'll ignore it and pretend that it's untrue.>>535014601>They literally do not even have condoms in Amish communities. They also have Amish religion and Amish culture, which is what counts. That's why they don't take the horse buggy down the road 5 miles to the convenience store and buy rubbers. They're right there. There's a fucking hitching post for the goddamned horse at that convenience store (because they sometimes do buy things there). You're talking out your ass.
>>535014033It's true for every society. Single mothers are terrible parents, literally the worst parents. Single fathers don't cause the same problems that single mothers do. This is statistical, verifiable fact. If your society has a high percentage of single mothers, it's full of social degenerates, by statistical law. Having two working parents isn't ideal but it's still better than a single mother. Having two working parents is actually more expensive in some ways than one, because you need to pay for childcare and often end up over-paying in various ways for things that a stay at home mother would be able to do more cheaply.
>>535015421>>They also have Amish religion and Amish culture, which is what counts.The only part of the culture that counts toward high fertility is the lack of options for birth control, which results in Amish women having few if any options to avoid pregnancy. You keep talking about nebulous "culture" but I'm telling the "culture" you're referring to is emphasis on marriage and procreation. That's it.
>>535009735being "not good enough" is a quintessentially male experience..
>>535013057I'm disagreeing with you. Having sex with women is really easy, finding a woman who actually wants intimacy is very difficult.
>>535010514>In the past, even recently, the vast majority of men (and women) found mates and had children.60% of men throughout history did not reproduce, retard
>>535015581>The only part of the culture that counts toward high fertility is the lack of options for birth control,This is a new level of mental retardation, even for /pol/. You know this how, exactly? Where did you do your anthropology/sociology PhD? How many years have you studied the Amish? Have you ever even been within eyeshot of them? (No, those Mennonites you saw at Sam's Club don't count). Truly, bizarrely stupid. We could start with the admonition to "be fruitful and multiply" which is foundational in non-cucked Christianity. An emphasis on family and child-rearing. A lifestyle conducive to early involvement in childhood development... most are farmers, and how many of the boys are out at age 4 and 5 helping dad? Jesus fucksticks you're nigger-brained.>>535015949>60% of men throughout history did not reproduce, retard60% of lineages wiped out is not the same as "60% did not reproduce". You were the kid that got Cs and Ds in school, or should've but that the teacher would've gotten in trouble if you flunked like you should have.
>>535009375It's older than that, but still bad.
>>535009161If you are>alone>no money>no relationship>locked inside your houseCongratulations, you are a white straight male in the year of 2026. Trust me, will come a time where people who used to cuss and curse us will beg for us to be back.
>>535009161Yes it does. Having women in higher education and the workforce lowers birthrates.
>>535009701antisemitic post. the point is to lower labor supply so payment approaches zero.
>>535009735>>535010031also giga truke.cucks can't handle the heat from this nuclear post.
>>535016156>Brazil>white
>>535011348>Daycare alone is $700-$2000 a monthNot if the stay-at-home wife does it.
>>535009943>For 99% of history you didnt have the choice slutdelusional. cuckoldry is as old as prostitution. I guarantee you most "men" were being cucked on the regular.
>>535009161>declining birth ratesI think that is good. The environment is not suited for humans: corporatism, financial insecurity, urban overpopulation, limited economic opportunities, social media, intergenerational trauma, and general anxiety and pessimism. A demographic collapse is the outcome of living within a behavioral sink. As long as people are loyal to outdated institutions and ideologies and maximizing the lifespan of geriatrics, demographic collapse is inevitable. I think an argument can be made in favor of senicide as power and wealth is concetrated within older generations whom are also a burden on everyone else to support through social programs. The incel fallback of blaming society for giving women more opportunities is missing the forest for the trees.
>>535009161All modern problems are due to screen time It’s why Asian and Europe/ N America deal with this problemAnd Africa doesn’t We have like 11 hours in front of the screen for younger generations It’s ruined them and they don’t have kids
>>535016886I don't want to deal with vapid women though
>>535009735>The problem is you're not good enough for most women to desire having your children.this is pure boomer cope I'm sorry
>>535009161It's women choosing to have fewer children because they have financial freedom. They tell you this, they write books about this, and you don't believe them, or if you do, you think being a chuddy incel is the answer (lol)The answer is to become the high status man women desire, shame modern women, and threaten them if they pull any of that strong woman/victim bullshit. When a woman tries to elicit sympathy over such a relationship, just ignore them and stop being a simp
>>535015523You can both work while having kids, i didn't mentioned single motherhood or fatherhood at all.Lazy fucks
Nothing will change even if things are returned to "normal". You can make housing, groceries, healthcare, childcare, gas, etc affordable again but the birthrates won't increase. People have already tasted that sweet sweet hedonism and would rather die before giving up their newfound freedoms. Making everything cheaper will just give them more free time and money to do what they want. This applies to both men and women. You have to remember that an entire generation was raised in unstable households and failing marriages, so it makes sense that a significant percentage of them do not want to get married or have children themselves.
>>535009161>It's entirely a cultural problem.No. Culture is merely a factor. The real cause for the drop worldwide is birth control.Historically there was never a period where girls were put on hormones to chemically castrate them as soon as they become fertile until recently.Most of the time, people don’t actively decide to make babies. They just fuck and it happens. But birth control made nature impossible.Take away birth control and people will have babies again. You don’t even need to ban it entirely. Just limit purchasing it to people who have 2 kids already and ones with genetic disorders.
>>535013649>17 women reproduced for every one manHilarious when femoids come up with this statistic as a big own for men. This was due to sex slaves and warbrides. Are you advocating we return to such practices?
>>535017865>Nothing will change even if things are returned to "normal".Correct. Because while the circumstances might return to normal, the people were ever-so-subtly changed when the circumstances were not normal, and they remain ever-so-subtly changed even when "things are back to normal".>>535017961>Historically there was never a period where girls were put on hormones to chemically castrate them as soon as they become fertile until recently.But they won't forget what they had, will they? Do you think the women who had free access to abortions will stop once the cheap abortion clinics are gone? They'll smother the baby in the crib, and then sob about how it's SIDS. Just because the world would be one thing if birth control never existed doesn't mean you can achieve that thing by banning birth control now. Things aren't so trivially reversible as that.
>>535016156I'm all of those except being locked at home. I go to uni to study biochem.
>>535018364>They'll smother the baby in the cribOnly some, not all of them are that crazy. You think every woman hates babies and wants to kill them? That is only a tiny fraction of them.Most are just on birth control because that’s what everyone does. Women are cattle. And society tells them "kids are planned" and "you can have kids later". Them being young and on birth control leads to promiscuity -> attachment disorder -> years wasted on pointless sex and a useless career. And before they realize it, they’re 35 and infertile forever.>Things aren't so trivially reversible as that.No it actually is. It’s programmed into us. Humans want sex and sex leads to babies unless you take chemical castration pills.
>>535009161Women are livestock
>>535011536>Who makes posts like this unironically?It's likely Five Eyes pushing this angle that the status quo is great, everything is young men's fault, and the path forward is to get back on the plantation and be a good little slave.
>>535009161The solution is Islam.
>>535009161A falling birth rate is correlated with women education. Evn in islamic countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran the birth rate is falling because of that. In Iran there are more women than men in higher education and in Saudi Arabia it also seems that many women there go to higher education. Another factor for reducing it is womem addicted to social media.
>>535009161>Falling birthrates have nothing to do with the economy.>Dual-income households becoming the norm has utterly destroyed traditional gender roles.Dual income households became a thing because of the economy, dumbass. When a man could no longer buy a home, two cars, and keep a wife and children fed on one income - that's when wives started working. Anyway, my white and fairly feminist wife just gave birth to our son, so I'm pretty sure you're full of shit.
>>535020922Correlation is not causation.The cause is birth control, nothing else.Women can finish their education and still have babies at 22-30. But they are on birth control constantly, that leads to promiscuity, pointless situationships, attachment issues, and finally infertility forever.
>>535020922No it's because goys are rational actors who through logic and reason became anti-natalists, nothing to do with the clear correlation between years women spend in education and FTR.>>535021462That's right, banning abortion and birth control has been proven time and time again to solve low fertility rates
>>535021277>When a man could no longer buy a home, two cars, and keep a wife and children fed on one income - that's when wives started working.You have it backwards. Women entering the workforce was what drove down wages. And now you have to work more for Mr. Shekelstein so you can put your kids into daycare were they’ll be raised and indoctrinated by jewish dogma instead of yourself.You gave your wife away as a wage slave to Mr. Shekelstein and your kids to daycare run by Ms. Sheklestein. You’ve been robbed of your family.
The population growth in your country is absolutely insane—this has never happened at any other point in history. Why the hell do you want more people? Thirty fucking million in just 15 years!
>>535013649What is this kikery?
I don't care about the falling birth rates.
>Poor people squeeze out kids quicker than anybodyAnd who is funding this? Who at the same time are they NOT funding?
>>535024674>And who is funding this?White people through excessive taxation
