>said by butthurt belter who has one of the highest suicide rates on earth
Literal tranny who will ack xherself before xher 30's

Breeding without purpose is like a cancer spreading troughout society.

Not breeding just shows the lack of purpose in modern society.

>>535317186
yes, there is justification: raping women is fun

no one cares. they see and attractive person and go AWOOGA AWOOOOOOOGA ZOO WEE MAMA THAT'S SOME HOT ASS
there's really no thought into it.

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>>535317186
I don't agree. But reproductive pressure definitely needs to be used politically. Masses don't reproduce if the elites don't ask "what do you want to start fucking and having kids?"

Elon musk wants 10 trillion. He does not care if everyone is living in poverty. He needs the masses to have 10 kids each for the numbers. They cry the west is dying but they never ask "what do you want?"

pretty much every religion teaches that we live in a fallen world or that life is suffering so i don't know why antinatalism isn't more popular

>>535317438
Not a tranny.
>>535317518
What possible justifiable purpose could there be for reproduction?
>>535317601
You don't need to reproduce to rape. For example, you can get a vasectomy or use a condom.
>>535317729
Sounds about right. What is to be done about it?

>>535317186
Fully agree. I'm a staunch anti natalist and pro involuntary abortion of adults. Life sucks but it sucks even more with an overcrowded world.

>>535317912
Specially in Brazilian streets, too many stray dogs, gov should put an end to them too

>>535317903
>Justifiable purpose
Kek. You're a lost one

>>535317860
It's not that simple. A host of different policies have been tried all around the world, cash transfers, day care, whatever, it's not reversing the trend. People just don't want to have kids. The world is too full and new generations just don't see having kids the same way past generations did and don't feel the same pressure. The same way being gay became gradually more accepted in the last 30 years, being child free has been destigmatized. And I dare say people are much more capable of critical thinking now than ever, maybe thanks to the internet. Boomers and gen Xers were drone NPC TV watchers that just went with the flow to fit in and were fed the same mainstream slop every day, it's just a different worldview that is quietly going extinct.

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>>535317186
>decide to drop the most edge lord, pseudo intellectual, midwit take in human history
>"life is suffering so stop having kids lol"
Imagine being this much of a basement dwelling NPC.
Realizing that life has challenges doesn't mean life isn't worth living, you absolute melon.
You’re literally describing the biological drive for survival as if it’s some cosmic mistake just because you haven't felt joy since the last time you saw a rare loot drop.
>"Reproduction is selfish."
LMAO. Imagine thinking humans are so special that our deepest instinct is just a calculated ego trip.
It's called biology, sweetie. Look it up.
Every single one of your ancestors survived long enough to pass on their genes despite "the suffering" otherwise you wouldn't be here sitting in your unwashed room crying about the ethics of existence.
the irony is actually palpable. you're complaining about the "suffering" of existence while actively participating in the very cycle you claim to despise.
If life is so unbearable, why are you still breathing?
Why aren't you doing something productive instead of LARPing as an anti natalist philosopher on a Mongolian basket weaving forum?

Newsflash: The struggle is what gives life meaning. Overcoming hardship, building legacies, seeing the sunrise that's what makes being alive worth the effort.
But I guess that concept is too complex for someone whose entire personality is built on being a professional victim of their own thoughts.
Go outside.
Touch grass.

>>535317186
Maybe if we didn’t have people in power who want us to suffer then maybe life would be much more pleasant in general.

>>535318402
>The struggle is what gives life meaning.

The horrors in this world doesn't give life meaning you're just a delusional
psychopath lol

>>535318499
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>535318402
>Life has challenges
I don't think you've watched enough cartel videos.
>But how does that affect you?
Why would I want to live in a world where such horrors exist even if they don't affect me? Only humans will understand, so don't even bother.

>>535318499
maybe if they didnt run the entire world economy on lies that would be pretty sweet
torture murder and intimidation and manipulation just arent good ways to do anything at all

>>535317186
People get no pussy for too long and start yapping like this

>>535318008
Population control is generally needed, it can be implemented humanely through assisted suicide. Euthanizing stray animals is also humane if you follow standard procedure and minimize suffering as much as possible.

>>535317903
Why are you maintaining 2 antinatalist threads at the same time under different flags?

>"People suffer immensely through no fault of their own and there's nothing they can do about it? They deserve it for being born weak. They should have been born strong and bold instead."

>Curing cancer? Nah, cancer sufferers should just get over it. Ending hunger? No way, starving people should just get over it. Fixing the economy? No reason, poor people should just get over it.

>>535318368
How so?
>>535318402
>Realizing that life has challenges doesn't mean life isn't worth living, you absolute melon.
I didn't say life isn't worth living, nor am I saying that. I'm saying life is not worth creating, and actually it's evil to create new life.
>LMAO. Imagine thinking humans are so special that our deepest instinct is just a calculated ego trip.
>It's called biology, sweetie. Look it up.
How is it not selfish too? Stealing cookies because your biology says you want to eat is biological too, but selfish nonetheless. You act in a way that hurts others to satisfy your own interests, biological or otherwise. That's selfishness.
>Every single one of your ancestors survived long enough to pass on their genes despite "the suffering" otherwise you wouldn't be here sitting in your unwashed room crying about the ethics of existence.
Yes and every single one of them either didnt consider seriously the consequences of their actions or didn't care and were selfish assholes.
>If life is so unbearable, why are you still breathing?
I didn't say it was completely unbearable. And your point shows that it is in fact to large extent bearable. Doesn't mean it's good though.
>Newsflash: The struggle is what gives life meaning
And what meaning is that?
>Overcoming hardship, building legacies, seeing the sunrise that's what makes being alive worth the effort.
Overcoming hardship for what? Why should anyone care about it? And why do you care about your legacy, when you will be dead and wont be able to observe it?

>>535318499
I don't think it's about who's in power, it's more deep than that.
I don't think anyone could be in power that could prevent life from being full of needless pain and suffering and struggle. I think that's just the biological reality of being human.

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>>535318572
>OP thinks he's Nietzsche because he discovered nihilism
>Reply #1 is a söy-boy calling names cause his feelings got hurt
>Brazil Anon watches cartel videos and thinks hes an enlightened monk
>all three are just losers afraid of real life
>imagine being this much of a professional victim lol

>>535318701
I'm not. What is the 2nd antinatalist thread?

>>535318989
I'm not a nihilist, and neither was Nietzsche btw.
Do you even know what a nihilist is?

>>535318989
You can ignore and not care about reality, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Empathy and altruism are human values, you wouldn't understand.

Ok the kicker is its mostly up to you how they turn out
I have mental health issues from my parents abuse. Otherwise life would be great.
I def feel where you're coming from but be a good loving parent and they will generally have more enjoyment than suffering

>>535317186
You can choose to be aborted in the womb if you want. A third or so of pregnancies naturally end in miscarriages
You chose to be here. You chose to live. You consented to this life. No take backs.

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>>535318919
>be OP
>try to "debate" me with the logic of a toddler having a meltdown in a grocery store
>"But stealing cookies is bad! So making babies is bad!"
holy shit, someone get this smooth brained kid a pacifier and a Cocomelon subscription immediately

comparing the survival of the human species to a child stealing a cookie is quite possibly the most intellectually bankrupt analogy I have ever seen in my entire life.
are you actually this dim, or are you just trying to win an award for being the biggest mouthbreather on /pol/?
youre arguing that because biological drives exist, they must be inherently "evil", that's just being a pretentious little brat who thinks he discovered morality because he read a Wikipedia summary of nihilism. you're just a coward who is terrified of responsibility.

>"Why should anyone care about overcoming hardship? Why care about a legacy if you can't observe it?"
Jesus Christ, you sound like a broken NPC script.
if nothing matters unless you can perceive it, then why are you even posting this drivel?
by your own twisted logic, your post has zero value because no one will remember your pathetic "argument" in twenty minutes.
you’re literally using your own lack of purpose as a weapon to lecture others.
ironic.
and the fact that you think humans are just "selfish assholes" who didn't consider consequences proves you've never had a single meaningful connection or accomplishment in your life.
real people build things, protect each other, and find meaning despite the chaos not by whining about how hard it is to breathe.
now fuck off retard, come back when you've graduated from basic moralizing based on snack food analogies to actual adult thought.

>>535317186
Sure and their is no justification in bringing people over here, away from their friends family and homeland ,every immigrant is guaranteed a life of suffering and misery they didn't ask for and didn't deserve you're not doing them a favour by bringing them over here, should immigration be banned?

>>535319054
>be OP
>get absolutely dismantled in the first reply
>can't handle the heat
>try to pivot with the most midwit "actually" ever uttered
>"I'm not a nihilist!"
>absolute clown behavior

Oh, wow. Groundbreaking. Truly. A massive revelation. We should alert the Nobel committee immediately!
Let me guess, you think you’ve hit me with some highlevel intellectualism by distinguishing yourself from a nihilist?
Newsflash you basement dwelling goober: nobody called you a nihilist, we called you a loser. Even if you aren't a textbook nihilist, you are currently exhibiting every single symptom of one: total lack of purpose, zero appreciation for existence, and a desperate need to feel superior by devaluing everything everyone else finds meaningful.
You're playing word games because you've lost the actual argument. It’s the ultimate white flag of the intellectually bankrupt.
When you can't defend your ridiculous cookie analogy or your "life is evil" cope, you resort to:
>"Um, actually, do you even know the definition of the thing I'm acting like?!"
It's pathetic.
If you spent half as much time developing an actual personality as you do trying to play philosopher on imageboards, you might actually have something worth saying. But instead, you're here, pedantically arguing definitions because your entire worldview is built on a foundation of nothingness.

Go watch some more Cocomelon. The big words are clearly starting to hurt your head.

>>535317186
Life is shit because people take each other for granted. Adding more people will just make that matter worse, not better. The Georgia Guidestone faggots were right all along.

>>535319519
Yes

>>535319505
>real people build things, protect each other, and find meaning despite the chaos not by whining about how hard it is to breathe.

After all the bullying, violence, and cruelty...

You have a weird of definition of protecting.

>>535319120
>absolute peak cringe detected
Holy shit, did you just quote a generic motivational poster from a middle school guidance counselor?
That was almost physically painful to read.
>"You wouldn't understand."
Wow. So deep. So profound. You must be so lonely in that favela tower of yours, looking down on us mere mortals from your piled up garbage throne of cartel video induced trauma.
do you want a medal for discovering what empathy is?
Congratulations! You found the most basic, entry level concept of social cohesion ever conceived by man.
Truly, you are the macaco socrates of the gutter.

>>535319814
>"After all the cruelty..."
shut the hell up.
you sound like a rejected script from a shitty teen drama. using the existence of darkness as an excuse to stay small and useless isn't "deep" but nothing but a pathetic coping mechanism for someone too weak to actually participate in life.

and you really are just just a professional victim.
you see the struggle and instead of building something, you whimper about how "hard" it is.
that's pure, unadulterated incompetence wrapped in a layer of faux intellectualism.
If being a useless, judgmental worm was a job, you'd be a billionaire.
until then, stop trying to lecture people on "protection" when you can't even protect your own dignity from being absolutely obliterated by a single reply.

>>535320687
You stated people protect each other, moron. If that was the case, these things wouldn't happen so much.

I was just simply using your own argument against you.

>>535320687
>An estimated 443,635 people age 12+ experience sexual violence each year in the U.S.

>Number of homicides per year: 20,162

>One out of every five (19.2%) students report being bullied. (National Center for Education Statistics, 2022)

>Depression affects more than 8% of American adults (21.4 million) and 15% of youth ages 12-17 (3.8 million) each year.

>35.9 million people live in poverty

>Approximately 1.19 million people die each year as a result of road traffic crashes

>Gallup found recently that a quarter of men aged 15-34 report feeling lonely compared to 18% of women

You're a disingenuous fucking brainlet

>>535320870
>An estimated 443,635 people age 12+ experience sexual violence each year in the U.S.
Don't live around niggers and pay attention to your daughters/sisters
>Number of homicides per year: 20,162
Same as above
>One out of every five (19.2%) students report being bullied. (National Center for Education Statistics, 2022)
Homeschool

>Depression affects more than 8% of American adults (21.4 million) and 15% of youth ages 12-17 (3.8 million) each year.
Thes mofos unironically need Jesus

>35.9 million people live in poverty
And yet they enjoy a quality of life infinitely better than anyone historically has ever, who cares

>Approximately 1.19 million people die each year as a result of road traffic crashes
So what?

>Gallup found recently that a quarter of men aged 15-34 report feeling lonely compared to 18% of women
Again, so what, that's a minority. Skill issues

Life is awesome, you fucking faggot

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>>535320259
There's no better way to truly become connected to the cycle of this earth than having children.

There's nothing more NPC than trying to be connected to the cycle of this Earth. Something you'll never understand, to be a pneumatic is to rise above this. Meanwhile you're going to create just another NPC into the jewish wagecuck hypergamy humiliation ritual called modern life all because you need someone to cuddle with(thats the truth and you know it). Of course like all the others you'll claim the act was dutiful and selfless like all the other dissonant NPC's.

>>535320787
LMAO. You absolute brain dead specimen. do you think human history works like a magic spell where if enough people "protect," crime stops existing? are you five years old? is that how your tiny, shriveled intellect processes reality?
LOL
>>535320870
>lose the argument so you frantically Google statistics like a panicked toddler
>"Look at these sad numbers! Therefore, life is invalid!"
>he thinks trauma dumping = intellectualism
>he doesn't realize suffering is the reason we build/protect/exist

>>535321049
>Curing cancer? Nah, cancer sufferers should just get over it. Ending hunger? No way, starving people should just get over it. Fixing the economy? No reason, poor people should just get over it.

Yawn

>Skill issue

You sound like a boomer.

>>535321287
There must not be as much social cohesion as you think if these things happen in abundance.

>Pronatalist retard is asking people to ignore the world around them.
>Pronatalist retard is asking people to ignore thousands of years of rape, violence, hatred, and tragedies

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>>535321087
>"to be a pneumatic is to rise above"
>actually just a lonely, basement dwelling incel using pseudo spiritual gibberish to hide his resentment
what in the absolute fuck are you even talking about?
"a pneumatic"? are you roleplaying as a tire pump or something?
truly this is peak internet brain rot.
you’ve clearly spent so much time consuming "esoteric" shitposts that you can't distinguish between actual philosophy and complete, unadulterated word salad.
you're trying to frame your refusal to participate in life as some kind of spiritual ascension, but let's call it what it actually is: extreme social inadequacy.
you're just hiding from the reality of human connection because the thought of interacting with people scares the absolute shit out of you.

and calling anyone who finds meaning in family or legacy an "NPC"?
That’s the ultimate cope for someone who has zero agency.
It's easy to judge the "ritual" of life when you're too much of a coward to ever step into the arena yourself.
you stay on the sidelines, on the cuckchair, safe in your little bubble of detached cynicism, pretending that your isolation is a choice rather than a consequence of your own pathetic nature. lmao

>>535321791
>"a pneumatic"? are you roleplaying as a tire pump or something?
he's full of hot air and not much else

>>535321503
>be this brain damaged little mutt gremlin
>can't grasp simple concepts despite being told ten different ways
>repeats the same stupid shit because his two remaining brain cells are fighting for third place

>>535318402
>The struggle is what gives life meaning
So you people derive the meaning of life from how bad it makes you feel? If life wouldn't make you feel bad, it wouldn't mean anything according to you? You have to feel bad in order to have meaning?

>>535322214
All you post is blatant ad hominem lmfao

But clearly these debates are useless. It's another "glass half-full or half-empty" situation.

>>535319219
>but be a good loving parent and they will generally have more enjoyment than suffering
The point is they will suffer more than 0, which is too much. Suffering and evil should be eliminated.

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>>535322240
>be this absolute smooth brained tourist from Slovenia
>read a sentence once and think you found a logical loophole
>"You have to feel bad in order to have meaning?"
>mfw he is actually, physically incapable of understanding nuance

are you genuinely this slow, or do you just enjoy being a public nuisance?
it’s called contrast, you absolute spastic.
does a mountain only exist if theres a valley? No. But without the valley, the mountain has no scale.
without the struggle, the victory is meaningless.
we don't derive meaning from feeling bad.
we find meaning in the act of OVERCOMING the bad.
if everything was easy, everything would be boring.
if nothing ever went wrong, you wouldnt need courage, you wouldnt need resilience, and you certainly wouldn't need the strength of character that actual humans possess.
you would just be a mindless floating blob of pure hedonism with zero depth.
so basically you're trying to turn a profound truth about human growth into some kind of cheap "gotcha" moment because you lack the cognitive capacity to grasp how much complexity exists in existence.
It’s like asking: "Wait, so if I'm not hungry, eating doesn't taste good?"
God you are such a drain on the collective intelligence of this thread.
all you did was proving that your brain is as hollow as your arguments.
now stop trying to play philosopher.
you don't have the equipment for it.
go back to counting pebbles or something, it'll be more suited to your developmental level.

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the demoralization will continue until morale improves

>>535319333
>You chose to be here
When, before i was born? Doesn't make much sense, does it?

>>535322553
>without the struggle, the victory is meaningless.
So you do need to feel bad in order to have meaning. That's sad.

Left /lit/ because the communists chased you off eh?

>>535321293
Nice goalpost moving you intellectual nigger.
Look, just fucking kill yourself already if your life is so miserable

>>535322553
>growth
Hah, the same empty words over and over. Is this 'growth' endless, like with the economy? You 'grow' when you're struggling? Does grass grow if you keep stepping on it?

Antinatalist here, is this the thread where we discuss the dreadful suffering? The dreadful dreadful suffering that may happen at any present or future moment? Oh goody, I myself live in constant fear of the suffering. The suffering is just so bad and awful, wow, it could strike at any moment. Yikes! Good thing I had my penis removed to prevent any suffering that I may or may have not inflicted on a vagina. Yes, this antinatalist right here is never having children - thank goodness! I've done my part to bring the awful miserable suffering to an end. Oh, writing this post is making my fingers ache, ahhh, it stings the suffering

>>535322836
>Does grass grow if you keep stepping on it?
Or does it die? Be honest now.
You're just evil, you want people to suffer, that's all there is to it. Admit it. You have no empathy and you don't care if people suffer. You're all the same, you just want people to suffer. You don't want to improve life.

Get out, retard.

Inb4 >I was only pretending!

>>535323067
Meant for >>535322929

>>535317186
Youre right

>>535322364
>he trys to retreat with the most cowardly, midwit "debate is useless" cop out ever uttered
>"It's a glass half full or half empty situation lol"
Oh my god, he actually did it.
He pulled the ultimate "I can't win so I'll pretend the game isn't real" move.
top kek
and "it's just a matter of perspective"?
that is the white flag of every loser who has been intellectually outclassed.
you realized you couldn't defend your moronic worldview, so you tried to turn it into a "subjective opinion" to save face.
it’s not a "half full/half empty" situation, one side is arguing for the strength of the human spirit, and the other side (You) is sitting in the corner whimpering about how hard it is to exist.
those aren't two equal perspectives, one is a life worth living, and the other is a mental illness masquerading as philosophy.
Just admit it: you lost. admit that you have nothing to say and no way to defend your pathetic, nihilistic cope.
then shut up and crawl back into whatever hole you emerged from. the debate isn't useless, YOU are useless.

>>535317186
>Should reproduction be banned?
at the very least we need to have a vetting process

>>535323207
>More screeching and ad hominem
>Tries to pretend he predicted what I was gonna say

Yeah, the debate is fucking useless because all you're doing is being incredibly intellectually dishonest like every other pronatalist.

This entire post is just you shitting and pissing yourself.

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>>535322836
>think you’ve discovered some deep paradox because you can't grasp basic metaphor
>"Does grass grow if you step on it?"
>mfw he’s literally too retarded to understand how metaphors work
>he thinks "struggle" means being a permanent victim instead of overcoming obstacles

Imagine being so cognitively impaired that you mistake a lack of resilience for "intellectual depth".
Stop trying to use wordplay to hide the fact that you're a hollow shell of a human being. Go back to your weeds, yeah go touch grass.

>>535323067
Anon please, this is a serious discussion for the highly intelligent and enlightened enjoyers of antinatalist ideology, such as myself. Praise the Georgia guidestones, reduce the population!

>>535323458
Too much suffering destroys everything that you are, everything you could be. It can take away a person's faculties.

Migraines make people brilliant thinkers going by your logic LMAO

>>535323363
The reason the debate feels useless to you is because you are incapable of participating in it.
you're like a worm trying to participate in a game of chess, you don't even know what the pieces do, let alone how to play.
you keep throwing up these debates only to realize you have zero substance underneath them.
you call me "pronatalist" as if it’s an insult, it's just a label for people who actually have enough vitality to want life to continue.
but for someone like (You), someone who finds more comfort in death and decay than in existence that concept is terrifying.
you hate people like me because we represent everything you can never be: resilient, purposeful, and capable of facing reality without whimpering.
now go ahead, type another butthurt reply. it won't change the fact that you are a hollow, intellectually bankrupt nothingness clinging to a screen because youre too much of a failure to exist in the real world.

TL;DR: you lost. Now shut up and go kys

>>535323692
>Y-You lost! LA LA LA LA LA

Literal child

>>535317186
Yes Nigeria should ban reproduction. Their lives are far worse for infants.

>>535323629
>mfw he thinks he's being clever but is actually just demonstrating his own profound stupidity
are you actually brain damaged? lobotomized perhaps?
is there a physical reason why you cant grasp basic concepts, or were you just born this incredibly dim?
I said struggle gives meaning, I didn't say "useless, mindless agony makes you a genius".
There is a massive difference between overcoming hardship and simply being broken by it, but clearly, your tiny, withered mind can't distinguish between the two.
you think because things hurt, they must be invalid.
and you keep repeating the same pathetic mantra: "suffering destroys everything."
No, downie.
suffering destroys the weak.
it breaks the fragile, the lazy, and the cowards, people exactly like (You).
For everyone else, its the furnace that turns coal into diamonds.
but since you've spent your whole life avoiding any kind of challenge, you’ve just stayed as soft, useless soot.

I think a helpful activity for our antinatalist threads would be to create a list of useful links and resources for those who do not want to breed or are interested in not breeding. My suggestion would be links for abortion clinics, some amazon links for condom products and other such birth prevention devices, links to top posts on r/antinatalism, etc. If we all work hard together we can reduce the overall suffering in the world somewhat and that's a good thing! To those anons who are a little... antinatalist curious, might I suggest removing your genitalia like me? You have no idea how good it can feel to be cock or pussy free in 2026

>>535319678
you haven't dismantled anything so far dude.
make a cohesive argument and quit namecalling.

>>535323977
>suffering destroys the weak.
>For everyone else, its the furnace that turns coal into diamonds.

Yeah, if you become a burn victim incel, you would certainly become a diamond, wouldn't you?

You're just resorting to instagram tier motivational quotes now.

Yes, but translated into African, Hindi. Farsi, (((semitic))) languages. Otherwise, subversive slop.

>>535323977
Why do you think struggle gives meaning? I've never subscribed to the Albert Camus line of thought.

My understanding is that you in particular have had some struggle before that you find meaning in, what was it?

>>535322661
It makes perfect sense, you being born did not start your life. You had the chance to self abort and you chose not to. Not my problem that you regret not committing suicide in the womb

>>535324475
In case you are wondering about the author,
YES
HE
IS

>>535324654
this is just unfactual, are you going to make a real argument here or humiliate yourself further?

>>535324838
It’s a very real argument that you’ve made zero attempt to refute beyond implying that fetuses aren’t people with sapience and awareness capable of agentic decision making

>>535324235
oh, look! a fresh meat!
a little white knight has arrived to save the day with his "logic and civility!"
you want a “cohesive argument”? Fine, I'll make it simple enough even a mouth breather like you can grasp it:
>Humanity thrives through struggle, you mistake being too weak to handle life for being "philosophically enlightened". the names I call you are simply descriptions of your actual behavior.
that’s the argument.
its cohesive, its coherent and it’s absolutely devastating to every single nihilist nigger in this thread.
if you find the namecalling offensive, it's only because you recognize yourself in them. nigger.

>>535324293
I’ll use even smaller words so you don't get confused again.
I said struggle builds character. You thought I meant literal fire. That is how stupid you are.
even a toddler understands that life is about overcoming problems, not just sitting there and letting them break you like a piece of glass.
you call my points "Instagram quotes" because you’re too intellectually bankrupt to understand anything deeper than a meme.
you aren't winning or debating or doing much of anything you are literally just throwing a tantrum because you realize you are a hollow, useless nothing.
The reason you hate my words is because they describe exactly what you are: weak.
you are the soot that never becomes a diamond.
you are the waste product of human existence

>>535324634
Listen, Socrates, you don't get to demand a sob story as proof of my argument.
my personal history isnt a requirement for truth. If I tell you that gravity exists, you don't demand to see my bruise from when I fell down.
the principle stands regardless of whether you or your pathetic little ego can grasp it.
you want to know about struggle? Heres a struggle for you: Try having a single original thought that wasn't spoon fed to you by a textbook or a shitpost.
That would be a real challenge.

>>535325021
Me bringing up burn victims is me taking your analogy literal?

Being a burn victim is not "just" a problem. It's a god-sized issue that changes your life and takes away your sense of self, like so many other issues that effect a lot of people that I have brought up.

And how many people experience great suffering and take it out on the rest of society?

>B-But suffering good

>>535325021
humanty doesn't thrive though struggle though, it overcomes it or goes extinct.
I think the only reason you're saying this shlock is because you haven't had a particularly difficult life.

There have been multiple times where humanity has almost died in the agricultural era, populations got down to the low hundreds. Nobody was getting stronger from that. Everyone was just starving.

The hollocaust didn't make every jew, fag, or cripple any stronger. Nor did the removal of millions of Jews prevent your nation from turning into the cucked shithole it is now.
So explain your reasoning with an example, I'm accepting your concession at this point.
You just make a claim with no evidence.
Meaningless suffering doesn't make you stronger, it has never made anyone stronger.

If a dictator tortured your entire extended family to death infront of you, shot all your friends in the head, killed your pets. beat and castrated you, then gave you braindamage. You would not be better off for it. Though the world certainly would be. cunt

>>535317186
What annoys me about antinatalism is it is almost exclusively held by depressed weirdo Redditors, who project their personal suffering on to all of humanity. It’s the most narcissistic ideology in modern times and it gets very little pushback. No, all existence is not suffering. I have had a very pleasant, comfy life, and most others have too, even with the shit that sometimes happens. There voices are just not heard because when things go well people don’t feel the need to blast it to the public. There is interestingly a big overlap between anti Natalists and “immigrants are welcome here” people btw

>>535325241
Got it, no actual proof of anything. It's purely your opinion on the matter.
I accept your concession.

>>535325437
>mfw he literally thinks he's being clever while sounding like a broken toddler
you are so incredibly stupid it’s impressive.
I didn't say every single bad thing is a gift.
I said we find meaning in overcoming hardship.
But you are too fundamentally broken and intellectually stunted to understand the difference between suffering as an excuse to give up and struggle as a catalyst for growth.
to you, everything is just a reason to quit.
if a person gets hurt you think they should just stop existing.
If a person suffers, you think the world should end.
and you don't even see humans you just see a list of tragic statistics that justify your own complete lack of agency.

>"How many people take their suffering out on society?"
Exactly. That’s what happens when people like (You) exist.
people who use their misery as a weapon to tear down everyone else because they can't build anything of their own.
you are literally the very embodiment of the toxic, destructive nihilism that makes society hard to maintain.
so you aren't really making a point about empathy or justice
you are just projecting your own desire to be a miserable, useless burden onto the entire human race. so just do it already, kys.

>>535325725
let me guess, you're a migger christkike who can't stop winning

>>535317186
You should unironically kill yourself since that’s what your ideology logically leads to. But you won’t because you’re a reddit-tier intellectual with no balls whatsoever

>>535325806
Nope. I despise trump and have nothing but contempt for the boomers who support him. I am a Christian which gives me even more reason to despise trump because he shamelessly uses my religion to enrich himself and consolidate power for himself.
This is what I’m talking about. Nihilistic faggot Redditors like you support antinatalism. It’s telling how butthurt you got by my comment that you felt the need to make an asinine reply using words that you think helps you blend in around here. You still out like a sore thumb.

>>535325624
>>535325727
Imagine being this much of a logical failure. You are confusing extinction (the end of a species) with character building (the evolution of an individual).
when a population shrinks due to famine, yes, people die but the survivors who adapt, innovate, and rebuild are the ones who carry the flame forward. That is the definition of thriving through struggle.
and of course you’re using extreme trauma as a strawman because you lack the mental capacity to discuss nuance.
of course horrific violence is bad but trying to use a hypothetical holohoax scenario to claim that "struggle" isn't a fundamental part of human progress is peak midwit behavior.
it's like a jeet saying
>"Well, if I get hit by a train, I don't get stronger, so don't tell me about exercise."

keep throwing your tantrum and calling it philosophy. you see every obstacle as a reason to stop existing instead of a challenge to overcome like a total mutt loser.
Go back to your corner and keep crying about how hard life is. maybe you grow a sack and end it. LOL

I'm just gonna drop this link here for no reason at all

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

>>535326065
>maybe you grow a sack and end it. LOL
They won’t. None of these people ever have the actual balls to do that. All they have is the ability to whine like asshurt faggots and make everyone else miserable by projecting their misery and despair on to everyone else. That’s the antinatalist crowd in a nutshell

>>535325725
You say antinatalists project their unhappiness onto others but aren't you projecting your happiness onto others?

>I have had a very pleasant, comfy life, and most others have too, even with the shit that sometimes happens.

At least someone in this thread provided evidence showing how much tragic shit happens to people.

>>535325725
What is wrong with being depressed?
Depressed people simply see through the illusions of this world instead of coping like optimistic people
There is literally 0 reason to have children unless you are a selfish person.

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>>535326169
it’s pure, unadulterated brain rot. they cant make anything, they cant build anything, they cant contribute to anything at all, cant get pussy, all because they are stuck in this infinite loop of self pitying autism.
real men face the struggle, push through the chaos, and keep the species moving.
these antinatalist subhumans are just NPCs programmed to glitch out when things get slightly difficult.
they want a world of nothingness because theyre terrified of the responsibility of living. its actually best to ignore such people and cut such retards out of your life entirely.
and I really should follow my own advice here but someone gotta push back against this retardation so it doesnt spread further.

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>>535317186

If life is suffering why are you trying to convince others not to breed instead of ending your own suffering?

>>535317186
Not my problem.

>>535326169
by his own bitching and crying I'm "ending the flame" by not having kids. I don't need to kill myself. And by your own logic the faster way of doing that for me would be to start killing other people first, then myself last.
Is that really what you're arguing for?
>>535325762
again, no actual examples of people self-improving out of starvation. Just your opinion of "the living were the strongest". My guess is this entire 20 post tirade is because you've squirted out some fuck trophies, that right?

>>535318381
nobody has tried giving men houses and virgin wives who cannot divorce them

>>535326340
>You say antinatalists project their unhappiness onto others but aren't you projecting your happiness onto others?
Nope. See I’m not the one advocating to cease all life. The burden isn’t on me.
>At least someone in this thread provided evidence showing how much tragic shit happens to people.
And anti-natalists believe that those examples are universal. Which is retarded. Again, it’s an ideology that projects personal suffering outward and believes that because that individual has suffered that must mean everyone is suffering and thus it would be better if all life ceased. Congrats, you fell for a Jewish psyop that has ensured you have ended your genetic lineage because “maybe my kid will suffer like this fringe example of a burn victim!” The most hilariously sad part of all of that is the people most susceptible to this Jewish psyop are the empathetic, the people whose genes the gene pool could use more of to counteract the selfishness that is all to common.

>>535325762
>if a person gets hurt you think they should just stop existing.
>If a person suffers, you think the world should end.
>and you don't even see humans you just see a list of tragic statistics that justify your own complete lack of agency.

Point out when I ever implied any of these things.

>Exactly. That’s what happens when people like (You) exist.

Me pointing out how retarded "Suffering is le good" is as a argument is me taking my anger out on society?

>>535326647
Why would I want to contribute to society?
I want the human race extinct
It will end all our suffering for eternity

>>535318402
>german is a sado-masochist
wow shocking

>>535326720
why don't you go around to third world countries and enslave a bunch of woman that constantly impregnate if life is such a gift?
why doesn't the state mandate births every year if infinite population growth is both sustainable indefinitely, (it's not.) and a moral good.?

>>535317186
I am 20 and this is deep...

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why is r/antinatalism raiding this cesspool of a board

>>535326720
>>535326169
>>535325925
>>535323692
>why don't you kys?
Because it will hurt people close to me. Antinatalists want to reduce suffering. Suicide increases suffering
Preventing others from being born reduces suffering

>>535326928
his own nation is dying population death, they have to replace all the white people because they've made society so shit there with brown retarded immigrants.

>>535326794
you are truly, genuinely medically incompetent. you think I’m talking about lifting weights after a famine?
we are talking about adaptation. every single survivor of every natural disaster, war, and plague in history is a walking, breathing example of humanity growing through the sheer necessity of survival.
if they hadn't improved, adapted, and innovated under pressure, you wouldn't be here typing your pathetic little replies.

>>535317186
>David benatar
sounds jewish unsurprisingly
also most normalfags are not even sentient

>>535326647
>real men face the struggle, push through the chaos, and keep the species moving.
what you really mean is
>MAKE MORE FUCKING SLAVES YOU FUCKING SLAVES
this is what is hiding behind this narrative.
also this piece of shit shaming tactic is not working at all, on anyone. nobody cares. what tf are you expecting here to happen, people going like "oh shit he's right better pump some more slaves in the den, that'll surely make me worthy"
worthy of what faggot? your approval? go fuck yourself lol. that means nothing to anyone.
you also don't give a shit about anything, not about white race, not about some higher human value. all you mfs care about is cheap slaves. you always sell your own for higher revenue, more money, more power, you have no fucking values, you'd sell your own mother to indians if it gave any power whatsoever. you have no values, only thing that matters is money for you, your whore wife and your retarded entitled children, that's it. everything else is fake and gay.

>>535326896
I just don't like the fact that many pronatalists have the inability to see nuance.

Millions of people suffer because of things out of their control, life can be incredibly absurd, and suffering is not inherently good.

>>535326592
>What is wrong with being depressed?
nothing. Just don’t project your depression on to others. It’s really that simple.
>There is literally 0 reason to have children unless you are a selfish person.
Congrats! You fell for the Jewish psyop! This is the intent behind the anti-natalism movement. Or perhaps if you removed your memeflag we would see you are yourself a Jew which would even further prove me right.
>by his own bitching and crying I'm "ending the flame" by not having kids. I don't need to kill myself.
Just so long as you don’t fall deeper into the nihilistic rabbit hole towards violent pro-mortalism, you’re fine. But if you ever feel that urge stirring, just kys.
>And by your own logic the faster way of doing that for me would be to start killing other people first, then myself last.
Yeah, so I’m gonna need you to just off yourself (and nobody else) if this is a line of thinking you’re going down. Why you’d feel the need to take others out with you is why you’d feel should just go buy a bunch of fent and take yourself out.
>Is that really what you're arguing for?
For you to off others? No. If you want to die don’t be a selfish faggot and include others in it. That’s what I am arguing for.

>>535317186
NO
MAKE ANOTHER SOLDIER TO FIGHT THE WAR AGAINST HUMANITY

>>535317186
>>535317903
Did it ever occur to you that not everyone is a miserable pathetic piece of shit like you are? I know it's hard for you to grasp, but it's true. You are an outlier and a mentally ill freak, that's why you see thing from such a deranged perspective. Yes there are many more like you, but that is irrelevant. Life is good. Sorry yours isn't.

Have a nice day.

>>535327082
Nobody adapted to mass starvation you stupid fuck, the survivors lived on because everyone else died off, and the 20 stalks of corn that somebody either hid away or stole from someone else could be rationed to the 100 remaining dipshits. There was no "overcoming" the numbers game of famine.

When the dinosaurs went extinct, according to you was that because they were weak organisms that just couldn't hack it, or was that just some bad luck. Be real with me for a second. This isn't a trick.

>>535327120
Yeah, like the guy above who thinks that he should off a bunch of people and then himself last instead of just acking? Real nuanced lmao. At the end of the day, anti natalism is a Jewish rabbit hole that leads the nihilistic retards who buy in to go towards pro-mortalism and ultimately outward violence.

>>535327156
Meant for >>535326794 as well

>>535327156
>If you want to die don’t be a selfish faggot and include others in it.
translation
>don't give my slaves any fucking ideas okay?
your failure is on you anon, it's not us, it's you.
if any of you melty mfs cared about le white race you would have made it so it's worth it making kids. but you got too greedy and now you effectively wiped your own. gg enjoy the shitskins diluting your bloodline faggots

>>535327241
The fact that you were born doesn't mean good things will happen to you.
I think everyone in this thread arguing that life is a blessing have led really posh lives. It's so funny to me.
You think nobody has been born into a dumb family with no prospects, gotten beaten every day, and died to drug issues rampant in their community. What kind of life is that to live, I think a lot of normal people would say they wouldn't want that life for them or their children.
People claiming that they can fairytale their way out of random circumstance are dumb as shit. This is some Hindu tier karmic justice bullshit. If you were strong, random dickery won't happen to you. kek
People get fucked over by life all the time.

>>535327386
No, as in, don’t assume everyone is as depressed as you, and don’t go pro-mortalist terrorist killing other people because you think it will make their suffering end.
>your failure is on you anon, it's not us, it's you.
That’s my point. If you fail to be happy don’t project that on to everyone else
>if any of you melty mfs cared about le white race you would have made it so it's worth it making kids. but you got too greedy and now you effectively wiped your own. gg enjoy the shitskins diluting your bloodline faggots
I won’t believe you are white until you remove the memeflag. Otherwise you are Indian or Jewish in my eyes, and your handwringing over the white race is fake. It’s funny you talk about life being too difficult to have kids. Niggers who are more broke than you will pop out multiple little niglets.

>>535327319
Bro I can go any porn site or any website where you can see gore. What I look at this shit I'm not thinking about how great life is or good how humanity is. And just because you ignore it doesn't make it nonexistent,

Life is nothing than a replicating piece of DNA and the universe is indifferent.

>>535326900
I see right through you you faggot. now kys already.
>>535326926
Oh look, another one! The Extinction Enthusiast has arrived.
Its like a convention for retards who are too much of a loser to handle reality.
>>535327020
>Because it will hurt people close to me.
no it wont, they dont give a shit about a waste of space like you.
now end your shit existence.

>>535327589
*When I look at this shit

>>535327589
I hope you aren’t stupid enough to think that gore videos capturing horrible accidents are representative of the human experience… You understand that the odds of those things happening are pretty damn low and not representative of human existence as a whole, right?
Stop watching that shit. All you have done is fry your brain by desensitizing it to horrible death. It’s not healthy. And I say that as someone who used to go to webm threads on /pol/ all the time. That shit will make you a toxic nihilist fast. And not because you are seeing some secret of what human existence really is. But because it damages your brain.

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>>535317186
You know in my 26 years of living on this shithole I've come to a conclusion that this world is nothing more than God's personal infinite Jerry Springer/ Truman show never ending marathon where he delights in watching the suffering of everything that lives and breathes. There's so many layers of fucked up cruelty, predators are forced to kill and eat another creature to make the hunger pains that get worse and worse and will not go away unless they take the life of another to feed themselves temporqry relief, barnacles exist to seemingly torture all marine life, what first sin did humpback whales do to be so infested with barnacles that their only reprieve is to fucking kill themselves by slamming into sea cliffs until death? I don't know what kind of coersion and half truth's God tells us before sending us to this shithole because no other sentient being would NEVER choose to live on this shithole willingly, I certainly wouldn't.

So to be clear guys, every dinosaur birth was good, up until the dinosaurs that happened to be born on the eve of the Chicxulub impactor fucked everything up, those were weak dinosaurs that couldn't hack it.
>>535327620
Come on, reply to me you retarded fuck.
I'm going to leave if your giving up here. You never substantiated a single claim in the entire thread.

Germany is a failing antinatalist country, how come you don't move to one that has a positive birthrate? Your countrymen can't hack it. They are all weak like you. You're a weak little german cuckold. You have to import brown rapists to fertilize and perpetuate a system that it's own cogs have given up on.

>>535327020
I highly doubt anyone gives a shit about some petty narcissist like you.

>>535327109
>mfw he thinks we're talking about economics instead of biology/existence
what a dunce.
where are all these retards even coming from?

>>535327282
you are so profoundly, medically illiterate it’s actually terrifying.
I am talking about evolutionary adaptation and societal resilience, and you are out here arguing like a child who thinks winning means not losing any toys in a sandbox.
when humanity survives a famine through better crop rotation, better distribution, or more efficient tools, that is overcoming.
that is how we moved from hunter gatherers to civilizations.
but your tiny, shriveled mutt brain can't grasp anything beyond a simple addition/subtraction problem.

>>535317186
Fuck you kike

>>535327583
>No, as in, don’t assume everyone is as depressed as you, and don’t go pro-mortalist terrorist killing other people because you think it will make their suffering end.
I'm not advocating to kill anyone you dipshit, just stop melting down about people not having kids, that's is not your business. or is it, dipshit? are you in the slave milking business or not?

>That’s my point. If you fail to be happy don’t project that on to everyone else
if the leadership failed to prepare society so I can have a life then that's on them. they enjoy the benefits of my work but don't take responsibility at all, that's nonsense. when you are in a powerful position you are responsible for the game you set up. if people are failing in the game you set up you are responsible for that, not the pleb. you want to have it both ways you hypocrite

>It’s funny you talk about life being too difficult to have kids
it is not powerful people struggling with life's hardship that people who make it are, they're either oblivious idiots either power hungry psychos that don't have any other value. they are in competition with everyone, so they don't give a fuck about ethnicity.
but if they did, they obviously failed

it's funny because you keep trying to talk from a position of power but think like a bitch. you know how women want everything without doing anything for it? but they just demand it? that's how you think, you want others to do what you want but you aren't prepared of doing anything for it. you just demand shit, people should do it because it's based and shit, regardless of the game that's been set up for them.

>>535328028
>medically illiterate
sums up all your posts really, just nonsensical slop.

When the next big space rock comes and wipes us all out you'll be just as dead as the dinosaurs.
cya

>>535328090
best pronatalism post in the thread so far.

>>535327791
Just close your eyes to the reality of human existence bro!!!
Watch netflix instead!!!

>>535328028
>>mfw he thinks we're talking about economics instead of biology/existence
your daughter will be impregnated by dark skinned cock anon. dark skinned cock will always be cheaper in the end, so that's what she'll get, decided by exactly economics, you absolute buffoon. you cannot afford staying white

>>535328113
>I'm not advocating to kill anyone you dipshit, just stop melting down about people not having kids, that's is not your business. or is it, dipshit? are you in the slave milking business or not?
I’m not melting down about people not having kids you stupid Indian faggot. At worst I had a single comment mocking someone for falling for a Jewish psyop.
>if the leadership failed to prepare society so I can have a life then that's on them. they enjoy the benefits of my work but don't take responsibility at all, that's nonsense. when you are in a powerful position you are responsible for the game you set up. if people are failing in the game you set up you are responsible for that, not the pleb. you want to have it both ways you hypocrite
Does not address what you quoted, you boring retard.
>it is not powerful people struggling with life's hardship that people who make it are, they're either oblivious idiots either power hungry psychos that don't have any other value. they are in competition with everyone, so they don't give a fuck about ethnicity.but if they did, they obviously failed
Weird how you cut off what you quoted so you didn’t have to address what else I said.
>it's funny because you keep trying to talk from a position of power but think like a bitch
What position of power? I can’t tell if you are a schizo Jew, or a retarded Indian.
>you know how women want everything without doing anything for it? but they just demand it? that's how you think, you want others to do what you want but you aren't prepared of doing anything for it. you just demand shit, people should do it because it's based and shit, regardless of the game that's been set up for them.
What the fuck are you even talking about lmao. Thank you for helping to shore up my belief that antinatalists are Redditors caught up in a schizo Jewish ideology.

>>535327821
>"reply to me you retarded fuck!"
>mfw he's literally begging for attention because his ego is currently in a death spiral
looool
Look at you, scurrying around like a rat in a corner, barking because you realized your "logic" was nothing but a collection of pathetic fallacies.
you say I havent substantiated anything?
the very fact that humanity continues to advance despite every catastrophe you've listed is the proof.

>>535328133
>cya
lmao the cuck runs away.
typical coward pussy, runs away from the discussion, runs away from life.
what a loser.

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>>535328284
why even the memeflag? we can tell you are an amerimutt lmao.

>>535328342
>I’m not melting down about people not having kids you stupid Indian faggot. At worst I had a single comment mocking someone for falling for a Jewish psyop.
listen you low IQ imbecile, the white society cannot afford staying white. being white skinned is not important by comparison to like...work power. it's a whim nothing else, and it's too expensive to maintain in the economical state of today's world. white is going away because it's not economically sustainable, they bring nothing important to the table.
if any of you mfs want white people you gotta pay for it. else they're going away, sold out by exactly other whites.

>>535328342
>What position of power?
oh you must be really fucking retarded because you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. you're some idiot ideolog that understands absolutely nothing about anything

>What the fuck are you even talking about lmao
fucking turd

>>535317186
Im kinda late to the thread, but I just want to say that I love you, OP @( no homo) and everyone here. No religious-fag shit, just truly trying to express the /pol/ack brotherhood sentiment i feel for all of you.
I personally have kids, thankfully healthy and growing safe thanks to the efforts of the woman I chose and myself.
We know life can be hard, and the future is definitely uncertain. Times are crazy, but life has never been easier on developed countries (and not so developed ones too).
Thing is, my kids have been the best that has happened to me, but it has been my personal choice and priority since i became an adult. To have and raise people that'd be free to enjoy life at its fullest and to be eith them along the way (no retarded cliche shit here, of course).

So, i must ask, why not try to let them see the good and choose? Just like your parents tried, conciously or not. A baby, toddler and kid's life/suffering depends totally on their parents. Why not just make sure they enjoy life and are safe?

>What about the unexpected injustices of life?
Well, shit happens right? Why don't we face it together when the time comes?

>Shit happens everyday and nobody does anything
True, let's change that. There's always a way, eventually. Dont give up, OP

>>535328269
Brother listen to me. I am not going to mock you. I am being wholly sincere in what I am about to say to you. You are behaving like an addict with regard to gore videos. You are making flimsy excuses to continue watching content that is undeniably harmful to your brain.
>I don’t want to close my eyes to reality!
Those videos are a very small portion of reality. The industrial accidents are extraordinarily rare. Car accidents are surprisingly rare when you look at the percentage of people who die in them.
You are watching shit that fries your brain, and it is coloring the way that you view reality. For your own happiness and well being, stop watching that shit. And again, I can’t stress this enough, I am speaking from experience. I used to watch that shit. I was much worse for it.
I am not telling you to watch Netflix or whatever goyslop. I am telling you to stop watching stuff that is actively harming your brain. Same as I would tell someone to stop using heroin.

>>535328620
>oh you must be really fucking retarded because you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. you're some idiot ideolog that understands absolutely nothing about anything
You don’t understand my inane schizobabble?! HOW FUCKING DARE YOU
lol definitely a Jew.

>>535328747
Its hard to look away, its interesting and important to an extent to see how far evil truly materializes.
But then again, shouldn't the existance of evil awakend a stronger good in all of us?
Avoid the causes and sources of evil. Avoid and isolate them from those you love, for its the weak who are preyed upon and the duty of the strong to keep it away from our vulnerable ones.

Dont force anything, life is kinda boring, but there's lots of shit to keep you busy with and in the end you learn to love the process :)

>>535328972
>It’s hard to look away, it’s interesting and important to an extent to see how far evil truly materializes.
It’s important not to steep yourself in it. If you wanna watch it during a phase when you’re younger whatever. I think the brain is able to repair the damage that watching death does to it. But if you keep watching it it begins to change you and not for the better
>Dont force anything, life is kinda boring, but there's lots of shit to keep you busy with and in the end you learn to love the process :)
I agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment. If you expect to be fully happy 100% of the time you’ll be disappointed. There are plenty quiet lulls in life and if you aren’t careful that can lead to boredom and then depression. But if you learn to find things that make you happy in those lulls, you’ll be filled with a deep sense of contentment with life and gratitude for existence

retarded

>>535329320
>Gore effects on the brain
I agree, that's ehy its important to shre ot too. Hopefully with people who can ground how common and relevant this things are.
I mean, cartel vids should be an absolute deterrent for all potential drug addicts, merchs or enablers. Ive seen so many "lefties" not believing there's anything elwrong with drugs until they see the real risks and consequences.
Hell, people are so ignorant to how far psychos are willing to go that they allow them to proliferate and poison everything. All with the excuse of "believing in the best of people".
Dont believe, act. Be better, share better practices and beliefs. No need to be naive or blindly attach to a faith system. You are free to do that, but we should all share a common basis of whats evidently true and whats is not.