How do we deal with the fact that up to 60% of jobs are fake and useless? That's exactly why so many wagies are miserable.
>>535670550You mean politicians?
my job is a bullshit job because i put lumber into shipping containers to send to shitskinsIf my job didn't exist it would be a net positive for the world
>>535670550And women get the majority of these jobs along with an inflated ego where they live in an apartment in a big city where they ride the cock carousel until their eggs dry up and they are childless so they turn into purple hair left wing freaks to get attention.
How do I into jew daycare email zoom job?
>>535671383You need a business degree and preferably some connections. It may pay well but it will make you suicidal in a few months. I know from my own experience.
If your job can or has the potential to be replaced by AI then it is not a real job. Simple as.
>>535670550Not my problem. If you work a shitty job that's your own fault.
>>535670550That book is bullshit.It starts understandable enough and describes some pointless jobs, but the author quickly pivots proposing socialism and big government programs would be the solution. He basically points out how bloated government spending is, and says the solution is more government spending.Fuck that guy. Book sucks.
>>535670550Graeber is not an economist thus it's understandable he doesn't understand why his own work is retarded
>>535670719>receiving and shipping is a bullshit jobGet real, chatting all fucking day and doing fuck all is a bullshit job.
>>535670550>That's exactly why so many wagies are miserable.I'm miserable because my job that isn't actually bullshit and works me to the bone is lower paid than 95% of the retarded office ladies that sit on their phones.
Ok, I don't care enough to read the stupid book or even to google it so I'll just ask it now: If these jobs are bullshit, why are companies hiring for them? Labor is a major business expense and cutting out so-called bullshit jobs would mean more money.
i bartend it’s not a “real job” but it makes real money as long as the plebs are watching circuses and drinking bread, i have work
>>535672976You're gen x and have tattoos don't you
>>535672976>sells liquor>mixes liquor>thats somehow not a real jobDon't make me point to the sign>>535672775
>>535670550Jobs are bullshit because boomers think you need to hire more employees to make your business bigger. According to them, more Employees = Growth, it makes the number go up. Investors won't invest in your company if you keep it small. It's all just a lie that's implemented on purpose, hence why probably 80% of jobs are worthless in reality.
>>535670550Jobs are for midwits anyway.
>>535672976>i bartendepitome of normiehood out hereI know one such example... these types blow the money all on vain shit too, absolutely niggerlicious...
>>535672861This
>>535676327Notice how he dipped out of the thread when I asked if he's pic related
>>535670550>jew author>puts sign of cross over word "bull shit"
>>535670550How do you deal with the fact this book is complete bullshit and I'm glad the author died?
>>535670550It's been a thing since most middle managers do nothing but hire people who can't replace them since they know their bosses are racists.
>>535672381The government has to spend money. That is how money enters the economy in the first place.
>>535670550>How do we deal with the fact that up to 60% of jobs are fake and useless?end the fake jobs, fire the useless ones, reduce population size
That’s not exactly why they’re miserable. It’s because those bullshit jobs are given to women who do nothing all day while men who aren’t chad work a shitty retail overnight job and no weekends off. Or unloading trucks.
>>535672976This anon slings coke. Snitch on him for the greater good.
>>535672964Most people consider bureaucratic jobs to be fake because they don't directly translate into a service or product. On paper they serve some internal organizational requirement or external regulatory requirement intended to streamline operations or avoid fines. In practice that bureaucratic portion of a company can become bloated in service to itself and detached from the original core value proposition of the organization. That is also why they are getting hit first and hardest by AI tools because the tools are already decent enough substitutes for bullshit wranglers.
>>535670550by playing office ladieshttps://orgoninteractive.itch.io/office-ladies
most jobs are always going to feel like bullshit, because society itself is something artificial, something created. i mean once we progressed past basic survival, society becomes largely about how we shape it and decide how it should be run. jobs are a decision, something created just like anything else.
>>535670550People are miserable because the cultural mindset deteriorated and it's just a dog-eat-dog mentality now.
>>535671281I realized this after multiple corporate jobs. People like me keep getting pushed into the more difficult projects and problems and if we don't solve it we're out.So many other jobs pay almost as much or the same but they do barely a fucking thing and it doesn't require background knowledge or anything really. These positions usually have women and "men" who seem to just play along and work menial tasks and regurgitate whatever propaganda they're given and shame and mock others who don't go along.
>>535670550>>535671281>>535670719None of these jobs are useless, this book violates the basic laws of economics.>>535671562Nope, your life will be heaven if you get it.
>>535679373Are there h scenes?
>>535674026>you need to hire more employees to make your business bigger. According to them, more Employees = GrowthTech companies have a con like this.You keep hiring people and then when there's enough you get to be promoted to manager. More money and power for you. Doesn't matter if everything is a mess and you don't really even provide real value yourself. Maybe your team is the laid off due to budget cuts or the project isn't so important anymore but that manager still gets their inflated title, position, and pay and perhaps put on or given a different project. They win.
>>535680057You clearly haven't read the book. In one example an employee didn't show up for work for like a decade and they only found out when they tried to give him an award for long service. If he job wasn't useless, his not doing it would necessarily have been noticed. The idea that employers are always rational with hiring is nonsense. The book just describes reality. If reality conflicts with "laws of economics" those laws are wrong, not reality.
The whole fake jobs system is just a tiered UBI system where the basics has your needs for food covered. Then you might get your own rental, some conspicuous consumption, real estate, savings, vacations, etc. You can't really justify doing this if you admit you're just handing out money but if you turn it into a competition, people will fall over themselves trying to justify the entire thing.
>>535680290That scenario could happen with literally any job that's part of a large group or cohort.Also, even if his job was bullshit, that company was making a mistake. The company was spending their own money on him, eating into their own profits... the company believed he had value when they hired him, one bad business decision doesn't mean jobs are bullshit.
>>535680305>The whole fake jobs system is just a tiered UBI systemGlad to see people are finally catching on to this, I've been saying it for years now. Fake jobs are just UBI with a fake work requirement. UBI isn't debatable it already exists. The sane move is to just delete the fake work requirement. Technology has solved full employment.
>>535680305It's tiered UBI?Except you have to fight like hell for a job, fight like hell to keep your job, fight like hell to rise up.... it's the opposite of UBI
>>535680435This isn't even a remotely debatable point.It's not UBI if you have to fight like hell to get a job, and even then they only give them to the well connected sons and daughters of elites.Jobs if anything are a modern form of kingship or nobility, it's your reward for coming from a super wealthy familyUBI implies universal
>>535680415>That scenario could happen with literally any job that's part of a large group or cohort.In other words bullshit jobs can and do exist everywhere.>Also, even if his job was bullshit, that company was making a mistake.And you just proved you haven't read the book. The person in question was an employee of a city government, not a private company. You need to shut the fuck up and read the book before you comment on it, much less dismiss it as wrong. You haven't even the first chapter, where this narrative takes place. Don't worry though, every other example is of a private company.>Also, even if his job was bullshit, that company was making a mistake.Well no, because many companies are incentivized to hire people for this positions due to ESG funding, and so on. But either way, nice goalposts. You've gone from THIS CAN'T OCCUR to OK IT CAN OCCUR BUT ONLY BECAUSE PEOPLE DID SOMETHING STUPID. Which is what I said. Companies are not always rational in hiring.
>>535680107wouldn't you like to know?(no, but they repeatedly circle the topic, it's like a satire of dating sims/hr training)
>>535680460You have to fight to get to the next tier where you get a little bit more yes. You can actually do very little work and still get money and then the government will literally create jobs for the people just to ensure that you're not cheating or that you're participation in the correct programs. Milton Friedman had an idea about a negative income tax where if you make below a certain limit the government would just give you cash instead, eliminating the need for things like welfare workers. What he didn't understand is that the welfare worker is there by design.
>>535670550No one would complain about those useless jobs if they didn't have some minority Karen on a power trip, above them, hassling them nonstop. The problem is women in the workplace
>>535670610Fpbp
>>535680508>Jobs if anything are a modern form of kingship or nobilityWhich meant you got the equivalent of UBI / passive income. This is where the word "royalty" (as in passive income from IP) comes from.>UBI implies universalOk sure we don't have a job guarantee, but my point is clearly that these "jobs" are just a way to pay people to do nothing, on the condition that they pretend to do something.
>>535680677>The person in question was an employee of a city government, not a private company.Oh this proves my point more, obviously government jobs can be bullshit, no one denies that.The issue is in private companies.>Well no, because many companies are incentivized to hire people for this positions due to ESG funding, and so That's again government, like if the state paid a company for a bullshit position>You've gone from THIS CAN'T OCCUR to OK IT CAN OCCUR BUT ONLY BECAUSE PEOPLE DID SOMETHING STUPID. Which is what I said. Companies are not always rational in hiring.They are rational, being wrong isn't irrational.>>535680726To even get a job you need to have a very very very wealthy family, those government jobs are given to the aristocrats.>>535680840But my point is only the super rich get jobs at all.
>>535680726>Milton Friedman had an idea about a negative income tax where if you make below a certain limit the government would just give you cash instead, eliminating the need for things like welfare workers. What he didn't understand is that the welfare worker is there by design.Ding ding ding another winner. It's hilarious to see how mindfucked people are by labels. Everyone is taxed, and many receive some kind of entitlement. Much of tax dollars funds entitlements, and entitlements are taxed. Yet libtards will howl when you talk about cutting taxes (increasing entitlements) and conservitards will howl if you talk about increasing entitlements (effectively just a tax cut).
>>535681051Because increasing entitlements benefits a particular group who may or may not deserve it, whereas tax cuts and spending cuts shrink the government, allowing those who earn to keep more of what they want.
>>535681002Lol, looks like you fumbled your memeflag there.>They are rational, being wrong isn't irrational.What level of cope is this?And again you haven't read the book and don't even try to deny it. Again, this thread is for people who've read the book. You literally don't know what you're talking about. Go read the book and come back.
>>535681145You literally fell for what I described. Entitlements and tax cuts can and are applied non-uniformly. When people are subject to both, they're just two different words for the same thing. You're an unlettered NPC.
>>535681217>You literally fell for what I described. Entitlements and tax cuts can and are applied non-uniformly.I cannot imagine what your life must have been like for you to turn out this completely uneducated. This is a perfect representation of the failure of the Department of Education
Didn't the oriental candidate offer up 1,000 universal income?
>>535681002>The issue is in private companies.Not really. Many private companies entire existence is just by design by the government injecting money into the economy. Interest rates are what they are for economic stimulus purposes. The fed looks at economic data and if unemployment is too low they make money cheaper to get it up as a way to combat deflation. They make money cheaper, people borrow, it moves around the system and it creates demand for good and services, forcing prices to grow. If private employment falls below a certain level, the government hires people.
>>535672976I read that if you can't explain your job in 3 words, then it's bullshit."I pour liquid".It seems that your job is actually quite legitimate.
>>535681707Yes, but where does the liquid go?"I pour liquid into a container".Seems like bartending is fake as fuck.
>>535681694I've been trying to explain to people that this is the primary purpose of ESG. Spreading cultural Marxism is just a bonus.
>>535681694Yeah and government intervention is the issue.The Federal Government should not hire people just for the sake of hiring people.Nor should the FED create any more money is needed than to prevent deflation.They should just let unemployment fix itself.
>>535681973Exactly. The concept of a bullshit job makes sense if there's tons of cheap money in the system. The government purposely keeps money cheap. Obviously it intuitive doesn't make sense that a private company would hire and pay someone that doesn't do real work, but if the company has access to cheap credit either directly or indirectly as their consumers pay them with borrowed money, they start doing all sorts of weird things with the easy money. The government ultimately doesn't care because they just want money to flow through the system, they don't care how. The people who have real jobs in the economy, obviously they get paid because people do need their services but there has to be a mechanism to ensure that people in general have money to pay those people with.
>>535682353If we got rid of cheap artifical credit and government spending on waste... people would still have jobs, but the economy would organize them in such a way that optimizes actual value creation.
>>535682423Sure, but only after a collapse of the entire economy. Decades of high unemployment, failing businesses, widespread poverty, etc. as the economy has to reorient itself around the new reality. Until then, its a bullshit jobs economy.
>>535682625It wouldn't take decades, the economy can reorganize itself very fast. In fact the more unemployment there is, the more failed businesses there are, the more incentive there is to jump into the market because there's so much temporary cheap labor and business opportunities.The Keynesians will say "oh but no one is spending anymore".The only issue is if you get deflation, since that can create a spiral where money is actually boarded rather than invested or spent... but as long as you maybe use some monetary expansion and pursue the austerity at a somewhat moderate pace, you should be good.
>>535670550More socialism (aka entitlement to earning a "honest wage" irrespective of actual productivity) will surely solve this.
>>535685295Sure
>>535671383Be a moderately nice looking woman at prime breeding age.
>>535670550The tertiary sector dominates the primary and secondary ones, so there are no real jobs anymore, as a consequence wage value drops and you become a slave cattle... don't need to say that it all comes directly from a sinagogue or lodge
>>535680057A economy dominated almost by the service sector and AI and other robotics slop will work... just trust the plan goy
>>535671281It is all part of the kike plan to plant chaos, subvert, destroy, humiliate, etc... all of this came from kabbalistic and talmudist traditions, we live in the koshertopia
>Go to pay my property tax which has gone up 4x over the last 10 years>Literally 6 women at the counter, all doing nothing, with nobody else in sight.>The one I approach seethes at me for doing a manual paymentYes, women do hold most of the bullshit jobs, and yes, the whole "Learn a trade" is a swindle by foids and jeets so YOU do the shit jobs they don't want to do.
>>535671281>>535672861>>535679997These are the only correct answers.
>>535682353Almost all the examples he lists in the book are tied to government contracts, and if you work in that sector you know that there's an incentive to have as many people on the books as possible. The Soviet Union had this with some factory workers getting paid a full time wage to boil the kettle for lunch and nothing else.The feudalism part he lists as an example is just the owner buying a luxury good. I've noticed that in small to medium sized businesses the boomer owner will patronize some useless foids that tickle his ego properly. But older men have been giving their money to younger women since the start of history, it's nothing new.
>>535670550i prefer the term "jew daycare"
>>535673027of corsh>>535676327i’m a failed normie>>535676556i had to go to work fag
>>535670550World needs bullshit jobs to keep women in daycares otherwise the system would collapse. t. work in a bullshit job where it's just me and 40 women with me doing the work of 1 which is almost 100% of the work our office does
>>535687908Ah yes you whine and bitch on your daddys yacht very revolutionary.
>>535672381>He basically points out how bloated government spending is, and says the solution is more government spending.Despise these fucks the most. They don't even listen to the shit they say. AI should replace these dimwits the most
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>>535670550its not that they are bullshit jobs per seits just that these jobs are more forgiving to bullshitpeople are lazy and dumbyou improvise as an engineer, a bridge collapsesyou improvise as marketing, you're just replacing one set of hot air with anotherthe funny part is when engineers go into other jobs and show them hows its doneand how dumb and lazy they actually are and were
>>535688971How else are people supposed to get money in a world of ai, robots and mudhut servants, you dumb nigger? Ultimately if it can be said to be true that these people were in fact useless desk jockeys why not just pay them to go fuck off and do something else?
>>535689113conversely, people who know how its done or who set themselves out to know so, might find engineering throws them the least bullshit in their way, and thus gather thereyeah, you all suck, go cry
>>535672381There's nothing wrong with national socialism
I used to have a book called Gig where people anonymously talked about their jobs. It was pretty interesting. Then I had the idea to put together a book called Nigg where black people could anonymously talk about doing hood shit and being black or whatever. No publisher I emailed was interested unfortunately. Still would be a cool book
Has anyone actually read this book? It's not very coherent. The author basically just conflates a personal feeling of fulfillment with economic value and sprinkles anecdotes. Like his premier example of a bullshit job corporate lawyers, but then if that's bullshit then the author must argue that corporate law shouldn't exist at all, but he argues no such thing because he isn't interested in tackling anything that complex, it's a book of vibes and mildly interesting anecdotes.
>>535670550>60% of jobs are fake and useless?dang really? is there a job lazier then a cashier? I'm willing to quit if someone tells me one better
>>535670550>How do we deal with the fact that up to 60% of jobs are fake and useless? That's exactly why so many wagies are miserable.Leave the plantation.
>>535689561>the author must argue that corporate law shouldn't exist at allIt shouldn't. It is just meaningless bullshit war games where there would otherwise be none. He's right. These goons are wankers that wouldn't exist if their war game didn't.
40 hours at work for what exactly and why.I could do the whole thing in 2 hours, but if I did they would find even more tasks.
