>if it reaches 90-100 degrees chemical inside goes through chain reactions and temperature raises a ton>this will increase the pressure of the tank dramatically and could cause an explosion and release a toxic plume, or rupture the tank and spill thousands of gallons of the chemical insideI live a few miles away from the evac zone too. Fug
>>535678789this is a red district, right?
>>535678789two more days to unflatten the curve
>>535678789Why is there a bunch of Winnebago RVs there?
>>535678789why dont they just turn the temperature down or cool it are they stupid
>>535678883there goes my sympathy
>>535678789What is the tank storing? I’m too lazy to look into it but I’m also a chemical engineer.
>>535678883yes the chuds deregulated it
>>535678928indian poop
>>535678883You can look it up on any map you dingus. It's in an aerospace industry area, also right next to an airbase and a munitions depot.
I eat poo
>>5356789287,000 gallons of methyl methacrylate
>>535678906It's an industrial area with lots of asphalted areas, go look at it on google earth, there's a giant RV storage area nearby, it's all along the border of this industrial area before it turns into neighborhoods. I used to leave near this area. My uncle worked for Boeing back when I was a little kid, I got to go to these buildings and watch them working on all the engines and airplanes.
>>535678958
>>535679074that stuff is pretty heavy so it won't spread far, they should just rupture the tank with a robot before it blows up and becomes a bigger problem
>>535678906Tank explodes and they get an insurance payout! No more 20 year RV loan that was a good idea 6 years ago.
>>535679074who cares, only chuds are in its path and well, they voted for it.
>>535678906Storage, but usually those belong to the various upper managers.
>>535679151Noticing
>>535678789welp godspeed anon the competency crisis is going to reach all of us soon enough
kek
>>535678918Don't worry little troony, we'll make sure to dump the waste into your mom's yard.
>>535678789https://youtu.be/TvJu_8lQl4A?t=50
>>535679074i thought it was 34,000 gallons
>>535678789Yeah that's where my family grew up, worked and retired at. Fucking awful I don't know what my 70 year old aunt is going to do besides come stay with family up north.
>someone moves the RVs so they don’t get ‘sploded>CEO, management, CFO, etc get pissed because you foiled their insurance fraud scheme
>>535679074yo dawg I heard you like meth so I put meth in your meth so you can use meth with your meth
>>535679074Looks like he's firing his lazers.
America is comically 3rd world.
>>535679339loloh the nostalgia
>>535679448forgot your VPN, rakesh?
They are trying to control the temperature inside the tank to slow down the polymerization reaction and have the chemical solidify from the "outside in" so it ends up either being mostly solid when the tank ruptures, or there's a smaller, more controlled leak
>>535678789>total toxic disaster mass casualty event>pic shows a bunch of RVsThis time the boomers went too far
>>535678906Walter White went into biotech and cloned hisself.
>>535678789Rolling for Bhopal 2.0
>>535679339>>535679493
>>535678789It gets so real sometimes, daddy wrote my rhymes, oh yeah.
Roughly 50,000 people have been displaced from their homes because of the evacuation orders
>>535678789>Build steel box 1/2" thick all sides>Lift it over it with crane or helicopter>????>ProfitSerious, how cucked is California that they can't contain an explosion give this amount of time.
>>535679701you should write 'ACME' on the steel box
>>535679513>have the chemical solidify from the "outside in" so it ends up either being mo[re contained when it explodes and performs better]
>>535679513Mixed zoning, my ass. There's fucking houses right there. There's one of these right next to my house as well. So fucking dumb.
>>535679074>>535679149>Puncture it with a robotIf it is a storage tank or any kind of pressure vessel it will have a nozzle fitted with a rupture disc, sometimes referred to as a burst disc. The set point of the disc will likely be set to the maximum allowable working pressure of the vessel itself with a small tolerance, based on typical design parameters. The relief line either will go to a catch tank designed for emergency relief or to a bunded in area. Tanks are designed this way so they don’t have to do something silly and dangerous like you suggested.>t. Chemical engineer
>>535679074Woke pigs getting blasted
>>535678789Sooo you telling me that little thing justified this big of an evacuation? Why is it in the middle of a literal city?
>>535678883https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_Grove,_California>White - 16.38%
>>53567930726 kL25 tons (metric)
>>535679074I'VE GOT THE DEUCE DEUCE IN THE TRUNK OF MY CAR
>>535679513>>535679307>>535679074If this is the tank that’s likely closer to 34000 US Gallons, which is very large for a storage tank. For example a solvent storage tank at a pharmaceutical plant would be 15000 gallons, typically, servicing an entire mid sized facility.
>>535679941>Why is it in the middle of a literal city?Same reason they put explosive industrial plants next to schools in Houston. Americans would rather let rich people save a few pennies even if it means innocent people die.
>>535679872Isn't something very close to this exactly what was said before every space shuttle explosion ever?>t. NEETlord who sometimes reads scientific articles on Wikipedia
>>535680228You can only engineer out and account for so much anon. In engineering process safety terms you’d want to think of it in terms of two things>Hierarchy of controlsEngineering controls (I.e. designing out risk) comes first, all the way down to PPE as a last line of defense. However what you can’t account for falls under what’s sometimes called the >Swiss cheese approachThink of each control as a piece of Swiss cheese and as risk as something that is approaching a stack of Swiss cheese slices. Most times the risk will hit the cheese. But sometimes the holes in controls (the cheese slices) line up just right and risk makes it through.
>>535680228If you’re interested, this is a P&ID of something close to the tank in question.
>>535678945By "chuds", do you mean Chinese & Hispanic Urban Dwellers?
>>535680689I bought an air compressor from a Vietnamese guy in Garden Grove recently. It had a "Little Saigon" sticker on it.He was moving to Texas.
>>535678912Could literally get a fire truck to hose it down and drop the temperature
>>535680914No one has produced a good photo of the tank but I’m assuming it likely doesn’t have a cooling jacket.
>>535678912>>535681008This reply was meant for you.
>>535680038>16% This. Its just a bunch of gooks over there. That's all.
>>535678789How many roentgen?
>>5356814422000 an hour. It's like a chest X-ray. No big deal
>>535678789Why don’t they shoot the tank with a bullet to make a hole for the chemicals to leak out of. Effectively lowering the pressure in the tank. Problem solved.
>>535679701Sand.They should airdrop sand filled hesco baskets in formation around the tank to contain the blast.
Inside job
>>535680914That’s what they’ve been doing
>>535679872The rupture disc failed. Not joking. They can’t open any valve.
>>535679307It was actually 6,000,000 gallons you antichemist fuck!
>>535680128Yet the county won't let me put up an affordable double wide on city limits because it looks different (actually they do it because they can't tax it). Shame. Kill all faggots who do the corrupt zoning
>>535678789its been like 2 days, they had plenty of time to transfer the chemical to something else. this is incompetence in action just like the ohio train tanker cars.
>>535681765>The rupture disc failedwas it too big to fail
>>535681008Here is a picture of the tanks in question. There are 3 tanks, but only one is in danger. The emergency vent valves were blocked by the material solidifying in them, so only options are keep it cool and let material solidify under controlled ish conditions, or the big boom.
>>535681917two more days to unflatten the curve
>>535681935>>535681917>>535681751>>535681713Guys, I've been looking at Google ground or whatever, and they've got like old as shit trailer parks butted up against these new commie bloc structures.What if the plan all along was to rekt the trailer parks and houses so the people leave then buy it all up and build more commie blocs??
>>535681958> let material solidifythe more it becomes like a pressure cooker the more itll blow up like the tsarnaev bomb
>>535681765A rupture disc is different than a valse. A rupture disc is a thin metal disc that once ruptured cannot reseal. A pressure relief or safety valve is a valve with a seat that lifts at a certain pressure, which is in fact much more likely to fail closed or open. You typically would use a disc on tanks like this if they’re for storage, not a valve, due to the risk of it not opening.
>>535678789>leave California 3 years ago because I figured shit like this would start happening since local politicians are stealing everybody's taxpayer money and using it on no infrastructure whatsoever >A few months after I leave Pasadena literally gets burned to the ground, and now a tanker is going to blow up Garden GroveMy ADHD and it's pattern recognition really came through for me. I'm willing to bet LA's water systems are going to malfunction soon into a "Flint, Michigan" scenario since NONE of those pipes have been replaced since like the 1920's.
>>535681958Those look like pressure relief valves mounted on the top middle.
>>535682268The issue is the material solidifies with temperature, and also heats itself while solidifying. The safety vents have been plugged up with solidified material, and the material in the tank is continuing to solidify and make more heat.
>>535679686I go to a rub n tug ot that way :( I hope the girls are ok. God protect them!
>>535682664This would have been accounted for in the relief design, typically. Random chemicals don’t wind up in random tanks at production sites. Going to love when they release the final engineering report on this to see what went wrong.
>>535682054commie blocks? which government owns/operates those apartments? genuinely curious could be hilarious fallout lulz
>>535682437>I'm willing to bet LA's water systems are going to malfunction soonMost certainly. mexicans can't maintain or build water infrastructure.
Shade can drop the temperature around 10 degrees alone. A big piece of fabric stretched out to block the light? A quick wooden wall with a fabric top? A frame with canvas stretched over it? Two cranes with a giant American flag stretched between them?
>>535682885these kind of dumb ass suggestions are why the general public doesn't trust anyone without their science rabbi's approval. Fucking Christ my guy lol.
>>535679378Take me back bros
>>535682788Yeah. AFAIK the issue started when both primary and secondary cooling systems for the tank failed. The tank the bulged from internal heating and started leaking. The leak was stopped, but the heating continued out of control. So at a guess the tanks were never expected to have all cooling systems fail and rapid polymerization start to occur in the tank itself. Definitely a pretty big oversight to not have a plan in place for such a failure.
>>535678789Since heat rises, that means cold sinks right? Just put some ice on top of the tank.
>>535683270That would be very odd. I’m too lazy to go on my work laptop to take a picture of it, but when you perform relief device sizing based on API standards (which most places will follow), loss of cooling is a typical scenario you would run. You would especially run it for something like this which has both exothermic potential, and where cooling is safety critical.
>>535678945>>535678883lol nope
>>535678789
>>535681713How much sand?
>>535683270How many common industrial polymerization reactions are exothermic? Shouldn't they just not make most products that require an exothermic reaction for safety reasons?
>>535679074The realtor told me Explosive Chemical Manufacturing District Elementary School was one of the best in the state, and in walking distance, too.
is it actually happening or what
>>535683872Exothermic reactions are controlled by cooling jackets. And exothermic just means it generates heat during the reaction, which happens to varying degrees depending on the reaction. Would you ban an exothermic reaction where the calorimetry data shows it’ll raise the temperature by 2 degrees? They’re part of all industrial production. You just have to control for it. Also that tank is not designed for reactions. It’s a storage tank.
>>535683587I'd like to imagine Tom Homan watching them climb onto the buses rubbing his hands maniacally.
>>535679941Sometimes it's because it was there first and the houses built up around it. At some point you'd think there would be an effort to get it moved maybe with compensation from the city but uh, yeah...
>>535684019I guess endothermic reactions would cost them more because you have to put energy into them, so they don't use those even though it would be safer. But shouldn't they have cooling jackets on the storage tanks too? Or is that another thing where they went "lol let's skimp on safety so we can spend less"?
>>535679074Oh, dear god, no!
>>535679074Why is the blast radius off center from ground zero?
>>535684147The reaction chemistry requires for the process step dictates whether it will be endo or exothermic. You don’t really get to choose that to an extent. Heating and cooling systems come in many forms, depending on need.>Have a large chemical plant requiring lots of heat for reactions, drying, etc.>You likely have an on site natural gas boiler with a whole plant steam heating system>Only need it on a few pieces of equipment? Probably a temperature control unit.The process or process flexibility requirements dictate the equipment and reaction. Anyway, as with everything else, it depends. If you’re storing something that can spontaneously react if heated, then yes you would definitely having a jacketed storage tank with cooling. If you’re storing bulk solvents that are fine in the ambient temperature ranges of wherever you’re located? Then no jacket required.Sorry if this is a bit much, I do it for a living.
>>535683102It was my first thought and then Claude.ai mentioned that is was often overlooked in emergency situations. ~~~Alternative or supplementary approaches worth thinking about:Inhibitor injectionIf the tank has any access port, injecting additional MEHQ or other radical scavengers directly into the liquid could buy significant time by raising the inhibitor concentration. This addresses the chemistry rather than just the temperature symptom. The catch is you need oxygen present for MEHQ to work effectively.Nitrogen blanketing with oxygen maintainedThis sounds contradictory but — you want to reduce fire risk from vapors while not completely purging oxygen, since MEHQ needs trace oxygen to function. Careful partial inerting of the vapor space could reduce explosion risk without compromising inhibitor effectiveness.Controlled transfer/pump-outIf there's time and infrastructure, pumping the MMA out to smaller, cooler vessels reduces the thermal mass in the problem tank and buys time. Smaller volumes are much easier to manage and cool. The risk is obviously any ignition source during transfer.Shade/radiation shieldingIf the heat source is solar, even rapidly deploying a physical shade structure over the tank cuts radiant heat load significantly. Simple but often overlooked in an emergency.Dry ice or CO2 blanket on the exteriorMore aggressive than water, and doesn't require continuous supply pressure. Dry ice pressed against or packed around the tank shell conducts cold directly. Impractical at large scale but worth knowing.Deliberate controlled venting to a safe burn locationIf the relief valve is the failure point and pressure is building, a controlled emergency vent to a flare or burn pit — though obviously a last resort — is preferable to an uncontrolled rupture.
>>535684170surrounding structures. topography
>>535683890that's what we call the hustle and bustle of the big city, anon
>>535684348>Sorry if this is a bit much, I do it for a living.No, I enjoy learning about things like this. But it seems they should at the very least have had a cooling system on these tanks.
>>535680106IF YOU ONLY KNEW ALL THE LOVE THAT I FOUND
>>535679602smells like niggers in the vanI got a deuce in my pantswho wrote my rhyme?OII lotta mercy
So is it actually gonna blow up?Or if they keep hosing it down nothing will happen?Because if that's an option, that's what we're getting.
>>535678883>>535679686very slightly voted trump
>>535685440forgot pic
>>535678789>CommiforniaOh no, anyway, what's the best kind of egg to have in the morning?I love a good soft boiled egg, with a bit of toast with some bacon.
>>535678883>red>CaliforniaPick one
>>535678789Why not just dump it on the ground and burn it like that train tank?
>>535685440>>535685461>making up maps nowLiberals are insane, there are no right wing people in California
>>535678789Nuclear facilities usually have a giant store of water right next to them for cooling purposes. Fuck those trailer homes off and put an 150ft long 4ft deep water resevior there. Have a way of pumping it around the chemical silo and then returning to the far end of the pool. Or better yet, an adjacent pool that very slowly feeds back into the main pool. So that thermodynamics (heat transfer) can happen to get the water temp back down, close to parity. p.s. never take my advice. I don't know what I'm talking about.
>>535683110I finally uploaded my old /b/ folder to my iCloud Drive, dates back as far as 2006
>>535685605I wish
>>535679074shiiiiet my storage unit is right across the streetwell Gmas furniture is going up in flames
Here's what I think. Get some shade on the thing. The California sun is no joke. Keep spraying it with water. Have the spooks get into their jets and cloud seed the whole area. Block out the sun. Then, wait and let the stuff solidify slowly.This seems like a case where panic is the real threat.
>>535678789Smells like a psyop...the fact jewsome declared emergency makes it look like a fake moneygrab, then the firefighters are gonna declare victory when nothing happens...then whip out their dicks for you to suck
>>535680038It’s even worse than that. You always have to filter by “non-Hispanic white” to get the real picture.
>>535679074How much will it hurted if I stand in front of the beam when it goes off
>>535681958Why not just fly in a giant bucket put it overtop of the tanks and then fill it up using a hose with salt dry ice and water. Retards.
>>535685955you'll get super powers and a 15 inch cock
>>535685910Nah thats all the white people there. The rest are asian. The mexicans aren even included because none of them are citizens
>>535679513Where's Mr Freeze when you need him?
>>535678789does Kalshi have anything to say on the matter? Because based on the last few reports I've heard, they're all basically saying that thing is either going to pop or leak. There is no controlling the situation anymore.
>>535681958Could they make it explode on purpose (e.g. with a missile)?If the missile is powerful enough it might just burn whatever chemical is in there, so it won't pollute everything.
>>535679074Ah, so they decided to freeze production while they had a backlog of precursor. Probably overfilled, too.Someone is losing their job.I look forward to the NTSB report.
>>535686385Apparently a AGM-114N Hellfire II would do that.
just spray the tank down with cool water to lower the temperature, then drill a small hole in it to release the pressure building up inside.
>>535678789oh noes
>>535685539>he doesn't knowturn off your VPN
>>535678883anons were talking about looting with the hookers a few streets up from the plants a few threads ago, so yeah, it's probably red light
>>535678789Why dont they put some shade on that thing instead of letting the sun beat down on it making it hotter? Also maybe they could build a water tank around it and submerge it in water so it gets even cooler?
>>535682788>This would have been accounted for in the relief design, typicallyBut what if it was designed by a DEI hire?
Fire crews are now surrounding the tank
>>535686460I also thought of that, the problem is that the vapor is flammable and so drilling may ignite it. It might be possible with specialized drilling tools like what they use in gas and oil pipeline repairs. I think that finding ways to lower the temperature is the best way to prevent disaster but even if the temperature is controlled around the perimeter of the tanks, the monomer can solidify around the edges while staying liquid in the center, where pressure and increased heat could cause it to explode. In that case, but cooling and pressure relief is needed. The way I see it, if it was already leaking, then why not just open that leak back up to relieve the pressure? Controlled drainage would be better than just hoping it cools properly. If I were in charge, I would make them double check all those relief valves. Maybe someone made a mistake in thinking that they were not functional. There might be a manual override that got activated and then forgotten.
>>535687273>In that case, but cooling and pressure relief is needed.In that case, *both* cooling and pressure relief is needed.
>>535678789Hallo Amerika! Ve Germans have a whale that is about to explode.His name is Timmy!Ve wanted to save him but turns our ve were torturing him the he.Wanna take a bet about whose thing explodes first?
>>535686395>I look forward to the NTSB report.This isn’t related to transportation, so it wouldn’t be the NTSB. Instead, it will be the CSB. The USCSB YouTube channel has great video reports of their investigations.
>>535681180>This. Its just a bunch of gooks over there. That's all.So this overheating vessel might, in fact, simply contain a soup which restores virility?
>>535687223Sounds like it's going to explode soon:https://x.com/alexdatig/status/2058429574871224422Sadly all the feeds on YouTube appear fake. Anyway, I would not want to be anywhere near toxic shit that energetic. You can't outrun stuff like that.
>>535685826>picI can almost forgive you for posting a meme from /b/
Why haven't they thought about lighting it on fire?
>>535688711It’s a ruse by the news. Chemical plants have failsafes with multiple redundancies in the event of runaway reactions.
>>535688076>that clit
>>535688999tell me about it
>>535688790>Chemical plants have failsafes with multiple redundancies in the event of runaway reactions.Yes, but this one's stated redundancy is to explode and spray toxic shit on everyone at the speed of sound.
>>535678883>California No.
>>535688076The classic health guru, sex positive yoga instructor model. Though, I think this one got mixed up parts at the factory.
>>535689366>Yes, but this one's stated redundancy is to explode and spray toxic shit on everyone at the speed of sound.Is toxic shit good for you?
>>535682437A lot of Californian electrical lines haven't been replaced since the 1930s.
This happens in Superman III which is the gayest Superman
>>535678789this could not happen if the tank had a beer pull
>>535678906Think cyberpunk. most people in so cal are homeless
>>535688999It's not her clit, it's literal a vibrat.... er.... pelvic floor "stimulator", that her entire class also wears during their libido-based exercise routines (I bet they're synchronized or something too, but then the question becomes: are they specifically going to these classes as an excuse to get off with other women while looking at other fit attractive women? The whole thing seems kinda fishy and a little bit like this is tailored to health-centric closeted lesbians)https://intimflex.online/simulator/They even light up and everything, as seen here:https://www.youtube.com/shorts/me6Vb8hsB8Ahttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZVneYkmyI3M (pretty sure she has at least one orgasm in this one)>>535688076>>535689199c'mon bro, did you even follow up on your own webm's username to know what this pretty sex-positive coomer lady and her sexual-health based fitness company is all about; and that that's not her exercise & endorphin engorged clit, but some fitness-based sex toy?Did you even go to the company's YT page for purely academic and inquisitive reasons?
Reminder this is because the new owners of the plant wanted to cut corners and save money after buying the company.
>>535679701Actually a fireproof blanket material with a nitrogen hose that dumps thousands of gallons of gaseous nitrogen into the bag over the tank would extinguish and cool the burning material, just need a helicopter or crane to put the bag on, with a hose from a ground vehicle.
>>535690696>It's not her clit,Every day is a new disappointment
they are really giving beds to animals and turning humans away. virtue signaling has reached levels thought impossible.
California is getting worse without super hero David Lynch protecting us all.
>>535678789>Palisades 2.0I'm sure the area will miraculously be considered safe again after all the home owners sell for pennies on the dollar
