>Hezzbolla is fucking israel with it>Ukraine is fucking Russia with it>Iran is Fucking America with it>Taiwan is arming them all in speedrun for precaution>It's cheap as fuck>works for everyone plus you got camvids for demoralization>Ok so what nowHow you counter this? it's fucking all sides.
>>536388817magnet guns
>>536388817The only way is counter drones reallyBut they will always be behind in techIts no different to any other form of warfare really
flashlight unironically drone operators cant see shit
>>536388817>it's not fair why don't they buy our mined pagers anymore?
>>536389271no they will eventually have guns that soldiers can carry to take them downim assuming they will be super heavyas im not a scientist i dont know how heavy the tech isbut im assuming its gonna be some kind of easily deployablemachine that “cooks” the airor magnetizes the drone to fuck with its electronicsidk but its going to be something like thator maybe like something that emits microwaces in a radiant fashionto create a shieldso once the drone passes through ionized atmosphere it gets fuckedlike a bubble shield from halo 3
>>536388817peace?
>>536389498"No, that's gay"
>>536389435naheverything you have mentioned is quite easy to get aroundshielded elecs etcwhatever you use cant be heavy because it needs to be highly mobilethey are going to be autonomous soon you will literally be able to send a swarm that targets man sized heat sigs and movement within a set area
>>536389565war is gay
>>536389158
>>536389606stop fucking starting them then
>>536389636i’m a neet
>>536389600you might be rightwhat about jamming or hacking them or making them explode or something?
kekfunny timingKuwait just released the drone attack at the airport footage
>>536389883Unironically how you can counter this if you can't intersept them and they send like 1000 at the same time.
>>536388817Race of whiny rats
>>536389970what done that cost about 7 grand to make
>>536388817I'm surprised no world leader has been assassinated by drone yet
>>536390027a couple of weeks ago the commander of Israels northern force nearly got hitthey just released the news todayhe literally got out the car a couple of seconds before the strike
Maybe stop fighting?
>>536389970fast attack mini missile type dronesbut like all air defense its always going to be way more expensive than the attack munitions
>>536389970These things were literally built to stop slow flying aircraft.
>>536389741thats the only waybut it will always fall behind the drone techI done a theoretical study a couple of months ago and could pretty much assemble a meshed network drone swarm that would detect movement and heat signatures using off the shelf existing parts for literal pennies
>>536388817>How you counter this?You don't - you escalate, and give enemy taste of his own medicine until the land is covered in kilometers of optic fibers and guts of both sides.
I can't afford drones this sucks for me, the common man
>>536389636>tf>tp
>>536388817MULTIPLE BOFAR GUNS
>>536390027Are we rolling for our flag/country to be the first victim?How many consecutive numerals needed?A 2 for 1 trudeau carney strikeout would be kino, but large enough radius and all parliament can collapse for all i care, brick every single stooge innit
>>536390699Oh fuck....
>>536389600>they are going to be autonomous soon>you will literally be able to send a swarm that targets man sized heat sigs and movement within a set areaThen you let your soldiers carry ID signal tags so they dont get targeted. Then the others create their own drone swarm with their own ID tags. Eventually the IDtags get injected as nanobots serving as IDunlock for all kinds of equipments.Eventually deployment of drones and soldiers will be planned and executed by AIYou are now in the metal gear solid universe>>536390130I didnt keep up, is netanyahu still alive or was he taken out by drone as claimed? What was up with the AI videos?
>>536390388Need to be able to find it in the sky first. Those drones are fast enough to be a blur from the eye. Maybe a group of Gepards could protect one location but are you really going to field and arm enough of them to cover an entire city? How would that even work?
>>536388817pissraels entire fucking defense is its ok when we do it and they wonder why people can't stomach jews today
>>536390731kek
>>536389883That is one funny looking bird.
>>536388817He brought a fucking DJI too. Probably bought with government funds and then kept for himself
>>536390756funnily enoughhe was most likely in your neck of the woodshe has been getting treatment for prostrate cancerone of the best hospitals for pioneering treatment is in Berlin
>posted it again award
Make a gun round containing a net made of thin fishing line to tangle the drone.
>>536390936all you have to do is canopy the rotors
>>536389741Why do that when you can jump send your own drones instead?Why contain it?You don't counter an artillery barrage by intercepting the individual shells, you counter the barrage by using your own articles in response.>>536389741
>>536388817You dont really counter it you deal with it. Probably some kind of flak shotgun maybe with computer aim assist. Remember though despite shit loads of drones they are only making war more costly. Artillery is still determining the winner in Ukraine. And the drones are not whats fucking the US in Iran. The problem is Iran is willing to accept a level of bombing and counter it with bombing both israel and the middle east oil production. And the US could ground invade but we would be going into to both urban warfar against a respectable army but also fucking mountain bullshit. The drones are only a % modifier on top of it.
>>536390919Sarr!
>>536389600>>536389435The shielding thing is correct. The fucking space shuttles are shielded from space radiation with essentially aluminum foil levels of metal layers for protection. Itll make the drones more expensive but not a significant weight difference.
>>536391152i'm not a jeet ahmed
>>536390510>until the land is covered in kilometers of optic fibersThe future is drones controlled by unjammable pencil beam MASERs bouncing off by High Altitude Long Endure (HALE) Unmanned Aerial Vehicles(UAV) loitering over the theater.
>>536390791Are they invisible to radar? Do they not put off heat signatures?
>>536388817>how do you counter thisBuckshot turrets
>>536391293>high altitudeEasily intercepted because that kind of aircraft would have difficulty reaching altitudes high enough to not be intercepted with SAMs or A2A.
>>536391494I'm sure they do and are not invisible but the problem is locating them. If it's just one I imagine it's a pain. It also might be small enough to where it's heat sig is too small to tell till it gets closer. I'm just spit balling here I don't know much about drone warfare.
>>536391293broyou can do that by using mesh networks that already existno external comms, you only need 1 drone in the swarm to pop up/out of the jamming, recieve further instruction sets etc then it can propagate through the mesh network using variable frequencies/types of data transfer
Nade dropping drones, a tactic invented by ISIS circa 2015 were already scary as fuck. FPV drones are the name of the game since 2022, literally state of the art tactics.
Being a soldier is the most cucked shit you can be. It was already bad enough now you have to deal with flying IED's that follow you inside cover, below cars etc.And they even have thermal cameras to hunt you at night the 24/7 anxiety they cause must damage your brain permanently even if you survive.
>>536391606>locating themUnless radar doesn't pick them up, that should cover that. And then FLIR systems (and others) pick up thermal signatures at over 2 KM away - and those are squishy animals. Drones are much hotter. My little camera drone gets very hot just from casual flying without extra weight.https://youtu.be/Vnxci9kroz0
>>536392034There's gotta be more to it then. If it was that simple they would of never taken off like they have. Perhaps it's the speed of the drone? Doesn't matter if you can see it, if it's moving too fast to stop? If not then it's just our militaries are just that incompetent to stop them.
>>536392435Nobody is driving around with SPAA with guns any longer. They were technically made obsolete due to missiles and even jets that were outrunning their capabilities. I believe that they will make a come back but who really knows.
>>536392034Am I missing something>RadarDoesnt work when they are destroyedHappened to multiple US bases in the recent conflict>Thermal signaturesThen what, you have to target a moving object, not a stationary target, a target thats going to see any muzzle flash then target the source
Attack motorcycles that are too fast for drones. Cavalry charges making a comeback at 160 kmh
>>536390855Arabian albatross
>>536392955Temu shitbikes and a fully kitted soldier arent going beyond 80kph on a good day budsAnd theyre routinely asploded by drone intercepts
>>536392905>doesn't work when they are destroyedDo you not see the radar dish on the vehicle? No shit things don't work when they're destroyed. Drones don't work when they're destroyed. >Then whatHow do you think SPAA was targeting jets moving at the speed of sound 50 years ago?
>>5363888172026 and even warfare is gay as fuck. Humanity is lost.
>>536393140That’s why you have to develop the tech
>>536393183not sure thats going to be effective against the new generation jet dronesthey have a tiny cross section and are rapid as fuckI mean, wouldnt you just need to tie up the SPAA with loitering munitions then attack from another direction with a jet drone
>>536388817Ok, dumb question 1:Wouldn't "bird shot" shotgun be enough? Why aren't they standard equipment for soldiers in Ukraine now?Dumb question 2:How about point defence laser systems, like MIRACL? I'm sure they are too big to be carried by infantry, but why don't they put them on tanks or something? I mean if a rando can build a handheld laser that can put a hole through steel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVlL0FNbSE, certainly you could put much better than that on a vehicle.Dumb question 3:What about a mix of the two? A point defence system which shoots a shotgun?
>>536393631>I mean, wouldnt you just need to tie up the SPAA with loitering munitions then attack from another direction with a jet droneyes you're right, but that same idea has been done in war since the days of Caesar and before.>they have a tiny cross section and are rapid as fuckThey're not that tiny, not as tiny as the consumer FPV or camera ones as they need to be big enough to carry munitions. Especially the munitions powerful enough to damage a tank. I believe at the minimum they're Mavic 3 sized. They (the powers that be) have radar that detects drones anyway.
>>536393443You fail to grasp the advantagrous logistics hurdle that a drone with payload presents when contrasted with heavier complex machinery and teaching soldiers to train to fight with various combat arms but also learning how to ride a motorcycleAtvs are a same story with less skill issue to utilize, but terrain also slows you downFlying has wind resistance, not mud and gravel and who the fuck knows for traction temu-nonDOT approved tires etc.Annnnd you added combustible fuel cells as an additional risk to operating personelNobody is researching madmaxx techtree on this current playthroughEveryones rushing the mark od the beast infrastructure and autononous ai sexbot killbot drone swarms
>>536393902We need shotgun teslacoils to fulfill your fantasiesAnd hopefully they shoot electrified chainshot cannonballs of condensed lightning bolts too
>>536388817Imagine slaughtering unarmed niggers whole sale for 70 years then go crying to the UN because they started to fight back. Jews are something else
>>536392029This, imagine dying for this
>>536393996I just think the whole doctrine has to change reallyThose fielding troops/armour are going to lose to cheaper drones, drones are only going to become more and more effective, add in Swarm AI, multiple attack vectors, independent tracking and targetingFuck being on the ground with that shit
>>536394047I don’t see you coming up with any better ideas
>>536393902Future warfare will be fought by molemen tunneling 30m below the surface
>>536388817Oh NOW it's a problem? NOW it's unfair? What changed?
>>536388817Dont invade your neighbors?
>>5363939021 Drones aren't birds. They're not that fragile and most of them are made of carbon fiber which birdshot can't possibly do shit against2 dunno lol. But I've heard that because of physics they haven't the best range + they're also heavily dependent on weather3 >A point defense system which shoots a shotgunwe already had them. They're called flak guns. But they're mostly stuff from WW2. I don't know any modern army that uses them
>>536394339We're going to be retarded until we won't be as we've done countless times before. I view this as being no different than when we were still trying to employ cavalry charges in WW1 and then getting obliterated by artillery. Or storming the beaches in Normandy and getting obliterated by machine guns. The only slight difference this time is that we have kikes in control who will delay the appropriate development against drones.
>>536394672Wow it’s so simple. Why not just make murder illegal too? Fucking retard
>>536389433They'll start mining the drones one day.
>>536388817>jews are being fucked>how do we counter this?We don't.
>>536388817>How you counter this? it's fucking all sides.You don't; one-way FPV drones are in common use for lawful purposes, and therefore protected under the Second Amendment.
>>536394684>They're not that fragileAre you sure?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PDgpGxqeQU
>>536394153>>536394624I mentioned it earlier but Hezbollah a few weeks ago managed to track one of Israels top commanders and hit his convoyThe lucky bastard got out before it hit, they now have had to change all their operational procedures because they realize that high value targets are vulnerableIt came out in the news today after Israel sat on it for weeks
>>536390388We cant build that, how would someone retire after selling the govt marked up radar prox rounds ???Get out of here with pragmatic solutions>>536394802Unfortunately 2Aheads in america simply too dumb to fly FPV and get it protected as a weapon.>>536394828>Posts plastic mavic clone drone>In reply to a post about FPV dronesIf your mavic is close enough to be effected by birdshot you have failed as a pilot>>536393902Lasers are cool but they will never be small enough to attach to infantry and are line of sight>Put it on a hillGet shot with a TOW/Arty>Put it not on a hillLimited LOS
>>536394727agree totallyits no different to any other war progressionwell, maybe a bitin the sense you dont need a huge specialized industrial base but that just means more countries can join in the fun
>>536389600>>536391223Lightning, Tesla coil that zaps anything higher than a man.Can hit an infinite number of targets, can instantly fry a drone.
>>536394974>plastic mavic cloneAs opposed to carbon fiber? Or are you just talking about distance?
>>536389435the lawn mower technique as well with whirling bands that rip drones to shreds.That and the Tesla coil which hits anything instantly flying higher than 10ft.
>>536394834Everybody is vulnerable. It's a weapon with no counter. You could get Larry Fink on the balcony of his next boyfucker party if you really wanted to. My point is that we've been watching the exact same thing happen to white Christians in Ukraine for years and not one jew said shit. Now that some fat pig yentas and goblin-jew IDF officers got hit it's a fucking "war crime" all of the sudden.
>>536395108The jew will cry war crime because it isn't allowed to murder you, lol. Just like the nigger cries racism because it can't murder you.
>>536395023kekC+C fan?trouble is they need something metal to targetall you need is to start making parts non-metal, ceramic turbines etc
>>536394727>>536394994Drones are fundamentally different.It took 400 years to develop stormtrooper tactics which are used in Ukraine today.Artillery and guns and trenches dominated battlefields from 1600 onward.They just werent always deployed correctly. Still the sole counter to them was armor, then armor became outdated (again).The future will be armor (again).We will see land Cruisers, protected from expensive missiles by interceptors, protected from Drones by a Tesla tower that instantly zaps thousands of drones out of the sky, armor so thick it resembles battleships.This is the future of warfare if industrial nations do not nuke each other.Whoever develops the Land Cruiser, immune to artillery, drones, and missiles first, they will dominate the world.
>Omg how do stop drone?Hole in ground with lid beats drone
>>53638881740k power armor
>>536395108kekthink about the implications for IsraelIts the most reliant country in the world on power projectionLiterally need it to survive because of the way they run their countryNowA new tech that pretty much invalidates that doctrine on land and pretty soon at seaI am betting they have lost shit loads of assets and men
>>536395207damn, youre right.But arent there those that can use human fingers as a conduit?You may only need metal in a broad area and then a large enough tower and then anything that is in the air would get hit as a conduit.Maybe a Tesla fence, like a broad front fence that is manually pushed forward by armored vehicles.This could screen out all drones, missiles would counter missiles, and artillery would counter artilery.Yes I played every CnC as a little kid.
>>536395049Mavics are made out of ~1-2mm ABS plastic, they are specifically designed to be light weight and light duty so they can fly for a long time.FPV drones are made out of carbon FRP sheet anywhere from 3-6mm thick depending on what part it is. They are made out of this so they are rigid when pulling acrobatic maneuvers. This rigidity is why people can strap bombs to them. ~1.5lb on a mavic vs 8lb on a reasonably sized FPVIt will stop birdshot cold at point blank range, you can buy carbon frp sheets off amazon for cheap and try to shoot through it>DistanceThis is also a concernShotguns, even with chokes spread like a motherfucker. A long range shot with a turkey gun is like 70yd my man. And even that is really pushing it to the max with expensive tungsten rounds, chokes and long barrels. A mavic can adjust artillery on you from ~500yd away, maybe further dependent on terrain and specific model. The enemy team has basically perpetual wall hax/ESP so it doesnt really matter what youre armed with.As is energy of the individual pelletsTiny birdshot pellets dont carry much inertia over distance and run out of energy capable of killing shit pretty quickly. Larger pellets reduce the total number of pellets in a shell. Fewer pellets + spread = missFinal issue with shotguns is the speed of an FPVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=402hOvSZ7tA&t=1844sWhen these things are put in a dive, not a toying with an unarmed guy for propaganda slow poke around until his asshole explodes, but a true dive. They will easily pass 100km/h. Interceptor drones are pushing closer to 500km/h and could literally just kill you by touching you at that speed. Training to shoot clays does nothing>>536395256>develops the Land CruiserToyota already did this m8, great vehicles
>>536395461I am thinking of a metal chain thrown forward on one side of the tower and it will zap anything that comes near the tower in front of it.So you can screen while also operating behind the tower lines, keeping your interior lines safe for your own drones to use, of course any penetration through the line will mean drones of the enemy will not be zapped in the rear areas.But You could have Supply Depots tunneled into underground bunkers and then a Tesla tower overhead them along a highway so supply depots are fortified and supply routes are protected from drones.Drones seem like less of a threat than Satellites integrated with Artillery with AI that can plant shells with perfect accuracy in real time with full vision of 'the map'.
>>536395461maybeI have my doubtsalso to generate that poweryou need literal power stationIf you are interested there is a mythbusters episode about a guy getting struck by lightning in his tongue due to a piercing
>>536388817edge computing localized AI on defense structure. able to target, track and calculate path for projectile to shoot it down. u probably need the compute of an lower class rtx for that eg image analysis and some light LLM here.
>>536395108THIS.Jews were happy to post Ukraine gore videos for years. But now that it's yids being splattered, they want a global ban on drones. Not gonna happen! You can literally 3d print a drone.
>>536395754Alright, how does this protect the forward line of troops? Do I carry this and set it up infront of me?Is it shoulder mounted?Oh no its basically a VC scam backed CWIS for protecting the FOB? Thanks man.
>>536395049>>536394828Mavic drones are only a fraction of the drones being used in ukraine. The other part are FPV drones made from stuff you can find on Aliexpress. Those definitely use carbon fiber frames which will shield most of the drone if you're shooting at them from the ground.That's besides the fact that in the video the guy got extremely lucky and one of the pellets severed a cable going to one of the motors.In a real world scenario relying in that kind of luck is pretty much useless
>>536389741EW is pretty ineffective now that fiber optic drones are a thing.
>>536395551My video example was just showing that drones are very fragile. Carbon fiber is not a magic thing and when stressed in the correct directions will shatter and break. And also carbon fiber doesn't resist bullets. They use it for the high strength and rigidity - same reason they use it for cars. I wish we had videos demonstrating it or we could casually test shooting drones, but people shoot through carbon fiber plates casually with 22. There are videos from 15 years ago of some guy shooting through thick carbon fiber with various calibers. A thin drone propeller arm should be shredded if the propellers themselves aren't damaged. But again, my video above was just showing they are fragile.
>>536395867The fiber optic lines are dependent on wide, static fronts though, yes? Otherwise the line itself could be targeted
>>536388817You simply bomb the fuck out of the enemy. Men, women, children, bomb indiscriminately. Hit their population centers until they beg for relief, take out their food centers, poison water supplies. In other words, go back to treating war like it is in the modern day, total. As long as nations continue to fight with kid gloves asymmetric warfare will remain the name of the game. The only way it can be stopped is if you are so overwhelmingly brutal that the invaded simply loses the will to fight.
>>536395833you can easily mount this on a humvee or likely on some sort of medium mortar sized gear.something like that could be built and coded up by a team in few days w/ eg claude code and then assembled in like a few days, given all the parts are there.however mass producing this will be 1month+.best case estimates; i'm a guy with a 200$ openai pro sub and do agents & agentic coding 60h/week currently
>>536388817>How you counter this? it's fucking all sides.well the solution of course is to drone the shit out of them back but every large scale military is behind on this because they've been relying on superior hardware making the difference for years and all their industry is directed towards making that advantage reality. So the shift will take some time but once manufacturing is put towards eliminating enemy combatants with cheap drones these wars will become wars of attrition that larger economies may only achieve pyrrhic victories when all is said and done. This sort of warfare works much better for defenders than attackers through guerrilla warfare and knowledge of the terrain. Part of it is also that israelis like most middle eastern sand scum aren't remotely good at warfare, the kikes are just backed up by the US.
>>536395725I was thinking of like a plasma ball. It projects electricity onto anything regardless of its material.I dont know how much energy a big one would take but couldnt you use tank engines, solar, ship fuel (the most efficient fuel), geothermal, you could find the power somewhere. The only question I think is design.If Hitler still ruled Germany, Germany would have perfected a design for zapping drones like flies.
>>536388817what is even the point of the UN? do people just go there to bitch and do nothing all day? why?
>>536395987Saudis do this agaisnt huthies, didnt work.
>>536395839Too bad the FA(Gay) doesn't allow us to shoot at drones because I would love to test this out. They aren't any good demonstrations of carbon fiber being shot by shotguns. None of a drone being shot.
>>536388817>How you counter this?don't start stupid wars. drones equalize weaker nations to stronger ones making warfare much harder to do in 2026
>>536395987Yes, surely a government that does that is worth fighting for, and won't force your children at the point of a bayonet to go to school with niggers.
What about a smaller number of cheaper, non explosive drones using dragnets?
>>536396182>but I did have breakfast K
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>>536395938>Will shatterIts carbon FRP sheet, they are interwoven layers of material like a kevlar vest but rigid. You can shoot a 5.56 through it and it will simply make a 5.56mm hole through the thing, no loss in rigidity. You can quite literally buy carbon sheet and shoot it , ive done it plenty and its no mystery.>22lrA 22lr has ~140ftlb of energyA#6 pellet is going to be 6.2ftlb of energy>>536396000We already have systems like that , it doesnt solve the root issue of the forward line of troops.
>>536396106People need a safe space to talk about the things that are bothering them, okay?
>>536396320>make a hole, no loss in rigidityThat hole depending on the location of impact either kills a rotor or kills something on the body, disabling it. My original suggestion was to bring back gun SPAA which would casually shred them anyway. I'm not dying on the hill of trying to argue about bird shot vs drones, etc.
>>536390756>Then you let your soldiers carry ID signal tags so they dont get targeted. Then the others create their own drone swarm with their own ID tags. Eventually the IDtags get injected as nanobots serving as IDunlock for all kinds of equipments.and if your enemy ever figures out a way to target those you basically serve up your soldiers on a silver platter. Everything can be hacked or exploited. Your idea is incredibly stupid.
>>536389158Qrd sneedigger
>>536396443>That hole kills the rotorNo, the bullet kills the rotor. Penetrating carbon fiber has nothing to do with that. >Kills something on the bodyThis is why most are moving to U channel or wires inside of round tubes to cut down on this. There are newer designs as well with a front glacis to deflect incoming as well. Its always going to be harder>not dying on the hillNo shit.Go buy some carbon fiber and shoot it.
>>536388817Genetically engineered cybernetic falcons mass produced at the same level as factory farmed chickens.
>>536389435Probably an Ai turret that pops them out of the air, like a mini version of the stuff on warships. Think of Jaeger from rainbow six siege
>>536389435>Im an expert on this>Im no expert on thisperfect blend of autism and mental retardation
drones are terrorist weapons, they'll never amount to anything more than singular attacks like this. drone swarms are already countered with microwave weapons and squad based microwave weapons are being developed right now tooiran lost btw and europeans will be exterminated by russia
>>536390027>>536390699Rolling PLEASE goymany!
>>536388817>oy vey that's unfair and antisemitic>stop using drones
Oh, so now that israel is getting droned, they want to cry about them kek. Where has this enthusiasm been in the last few years, kikes?TKD
>>536388817Airburst nuke that creates an EMP that takes out all electronics. Then people will fight like I'm WW2 again.Drones are cowardly dishonorable weapons, and I say this as someone who supports Hezbollah.
>>536395987But enough about the IDF
>>536396587>Go buy some carbon fiber and shoot itDone, bullet went through and hit the tasty electronics. Drone disabled. What is this argument at this point.
>>536397443War isnt fair bro
>>536396928Fiber optic drones are not countered by any jamming frequencies. But, for those that can't be jammed, first world countries have access to insane laser weapons that would disable/detonate them almost instantly and can melt fixed wing aircraft out of the sky, courtesy of certain private defense contractors. Two models in particular come to mind, the smaller one a vehicle mount. They just cost a zillion bucks so production is on hold until the demand is there. One of the many things up our sleeve. Don't ask how I know.People were impressed by Argentina lol, and that was old shit just laying around, speaking of microwaves. What we can bring now if we really needed, especially the stuff that's been showcased in the past 10 years, would blow your socks off. Also what we have in orbit which is ofcourse only for one innocuous purpose but it JUST SO HAPPENS to be able to be used for another different purpose (what are the odds, how fortunate) should the need for that convenient other thing arise.
>>536398159QRD on Argentina
get out the way
>>536398159what stops your gorillion dollar laser mounted to a vehicle from being instantly blown up by a hypersonic missile
>>536399065"paying"
>>536399123Praying* fuck me
>>536398046There is no argument, you just have no idea what you are talking about. Thats fine, but no need to be belligerent
>>536396320I actually have some professional expertise in ballistics, you're referring to "clean penetration" or what we'd call LDP (cant remember what it stands for lol). Sometimes you do want clean penetration, particularly in areas not shielding vital operational compinents, to maintain structural intergrity better. You are not wrong.The whole point of fibers though, like kevlar or carbon fibers (which is a pretty broad term) is because woven fibers distribute force to resist penetration, which is the opposite of what you are suggesting. Classic carbon fiber (not the newer and experimental "woven CNT" which some refer to as a new variety of carbon fiber and is insanely strong and distributive and NOT clean pen at all) is generally more brittle and prone to seperation than kevlar, but it isn't what you want for this. If you want clean pen on something like a drone, there are polymers (plastics) that are ideal for that and alot cheaper. Even potentially somewhat self-healing for small holes.
>>536390388These things have also burnt really nicely in Ukraine because if more than one drone goes after them they are fucked.Also an issue of ammo which they burn through very quickly.Anti-drone drones that are cheaper and an industrial base capable of spamming them are the only sustainable answer.
>>536388817>How you counter this? it's fucking all sides.Many ways to fuck this, people are just retarded. Look, it's just like model airplanes with bombs and guns. Wait until the realize they can also do this with model cars.Anyway, took me a few seconds to come up with the same solutions as the so called experts who took months. They still haven't had the idea of using a few drones with a big net themselves. How would YOU stop model airplanes? It's not that hard.
>>536399215>Opposite of what youre suggestingWoven fibers distribute forces in multiple directions, hence the clean penetration vs shattering one would expect from something so rigid. This is ideal for an airframe since it wont retard handling characteristics.>PolymersGood luck getting sufficient rigidity out of said plastics. You need to radically modify the geometry of the drone in an inefficient matter to make any polymer work.
>>536388817The jew fears the hunter seeker drones
>>536399479The Jew invented them. Nerds fear them, because nerds are stupid.
>>536389970shoot out retractable fishing wire like silly string and drones cant do shit about it
>>536395108>>536395772The golem eventually turns on the kike every time. The kike is a creature so reprehensible that not even its creations will tolerate it indefinitely.
>>536399065Not to ruin the mystique but basically just microwaving people with a setup similar to radar, maybe with a few new caveats but that's essentially all that was. Havannah syndrome and V2K is real and the same thing. No scifi gadgets just a lot of EMF, mostly microwave, tuned to frequencies that fuck with the constitution of human flesh or its biological functions, being blasted out of big ass directional antennas.
>>5363899702 waysOne is you bomb them into the stone age as so far these are fake and gay wars with Putin not flattening Kiev and US not flattening Tehran. As long as fake and gay "special military ops" persist there will be annoying drones instead of total destruction and land invasion to hang all the leaders.The other way is a drone defense net you have drones collide into other drones or fricken laser beams
>>536389435Thats been done. The drone jammer gun is only useful against drones with a wireless connection not fiber optic.They have tried so many things, shotguns, nigger rigged dual mounted machine-guns, hiding in holes and forests, rifle cartridges loaded with steel bb's, nothing works as well as another drone.
>How you counter this? it's fucking all sides.go fuck yourself for a start
>>536399362Are we talking about the small quadrotors or something else? They typically already are about as plastic as they come, but could possibly use a cleaner pen matetial but probably at greater cost. Well w/e I'm not a polymer guy or an aircraft guy so I'll concede. When armoring a vehicle or structure though we never used any fiber material for clean pen areas.General rule is that if it's necessary for structural integrity or operation of the vehicle, or housed occupants, it is not clean pen it's full armor. Aircraft ofcourse different ballgame as the whole thing is somewhat essential to operation due to aerodynamics n sheeei.
The kike swan dive only to get his leg caught in the spare tire rack is the best clip so far outside of the direct hits.
>>536399679This was meant for>>536398191And I'm also a retard I meant Venezuela. Nothing happened in Argentna dont worry about it.
>>536388817There's no counter. It makes offense incredibly difficult, and expeditionary / marine offense just impossible. Cheap drone spam is just as dangerous as air superiority. Notice how in the Iran war, the US had air superiority yet still the "fighting" was just tit-for-tat "If you destroy our [X], we'll destroy your [Y]!" with no actual way of stopping either side except by building their targets deep underground
>>536399603Funnily enough. Both Ukraine, Russia and israel have begun to use Anti-Drone netting for their bases and vehicles.The thing is, drones are flown by skilled human pilots. So all they need to do is to fly around or under the net to completely bypass It
>>536403443They are protecting themselves against drop type munitions rather than FPVsNot retarded, but not a great ideaIt also makes it much harder for a FPV to hit it since the angle of attack must be more depressed.
>>536390919vpn or real jew?
>>536388817Same as every other weapon in history has been countered - build the same one but more and better and shoot them first.
>>536403764I'm not saying It's a bad idea.Specially against analog FPV drones (like the ones Hezbollah are fying), the video quality makes It very hard to see thin netting.>It also makes it much harder for a FPV to hit it since the angle of attack must be more depressed.Yeah, but even then drones will still be effective at disabling vehicles and soldiers. They don't really need to destroy a vehicle in one hit.All they really need is to disable a vehicle for It to be a sitting duck against artillery or more drones.
>>536404531>Yeah, but even then drones will still be effective at disabling vehicles and soldiersThe RF link has to contend with terrain as the altitude decreases. You cant do a steep dive from several km away because of the top netting now. Now the operator needs to be LOS.Yeah its easy to be LOS in hill country Lebanon but hey man it beats nothing.
Can't a spark gap generator take them offline?
>>536388817Drone assassinations and drones to kill American police officers. Until then no change.
>>536396244>imagine if you dind't start a stupid war and get a bunch of people killed by cheap weapons without any real counter>but I did start a stupid war and get a bunch of people killed by cheap weapons without any real counterback to nigger school nigger!!!
>>536388817It will be an armsrace until it's just who has moreWhen everyone realized that they will be for deterrance like nukes
>>536389883that's a huge ass explosion for such a tiny drone
>>536405876>erm what if your hypothetical discussion hypothetically didn’t happen???>iamverysmartSeriously fucking kill yourself asap
>>536404635Bro. No one uses RF drones anymoreYou can see in this video >>536403443 how It maintains a perfect image through It all. That's not possible if the feed was coming from a wireless drone.Even Hezbollah is using fiber optic drones
>>5364061947 grand Thats what it costs to make in IranPretty ridiculous
>>536388817>>Iran is Fucking America with itWrong
>>536388817>How you counter this? it's fucking all sides.Outproducing the enemy. Effective defensive systems like the C-Ram are prohibitively expensive to build and deploy and employ vs the cost of drones and missiles, the attacker can effectively field 1000+ high quality drones for the same cost it would take to deploy just one advanced AA unit and have it actively fire for a day, and all the defensive system has to stop EVERY drone from getting though because all it takes is one to knock it out. This is why the west is doomed to fall. Democratic liberal capitalist states are inherently incapable of outproducing centralized totalitarian nations. The capitalists who own the munitions factories don't care about efficiency or minimalizing cost, they want to gouge the government with overinflated budgets and expensive production lines producing overengineered munitions that wow politicians and generals on the shooting range but which are effectively worse than crude but mass produced systems. Eastern nations don't let billionaires run their MICs, so their production capacity will always outpace western ones whose state arsenals exist solely to enrich oligarchs.
>>536405542Not really, but there are other things that work in a larger circumference
>>536406419>Bro. No one uses RF drones anymoreLebanon is chocked full of RF footageFiber is never fully supplanting RF
>>536399929Trees, they work great
>>536389435>>536389600Jammers are already super effective which is why FPV drones often require fiberoptic cable targeting systems like various shoulder fired rocket systems use. Laser turrets have also been used successfully, and the Ukrainians are beginning to export anti-drone drones, especially to the Gulf States where both demand and funding are high. The US LUCAS drone uses starlink to nullify jamming and thus avoid the whole fiberoptic filament thing entirely. Drone warfare is only going to be really game changing if/when a country that is good at it goes up against a country which has utterly failed to keep up. Currently the Yuropoors are the most backwards and fallen behind in this field, despite the threat of drone-proficient Russia on their doorsteps because Yuropoors are lazy and gay and poor
>>536406412there is no counter, niggerfaggotcry about it all you want but politicians are gonna have to be very careful about how they plan to start wars from now on
I think the next step is defense. Anti-drone drones. Loitering AI ammunition that reacts automatically to incoming drones etc.I think the main problem with that would be to get them to 100% tell apart enemy from ally and don't friendly fire or hit civilians
>>536389271Caveat: they don’t make as much money for legacy arms manufacturers, so there’s no will to make drones. The corruption in the US is so deep that we’ll loose a war rather than let the stock prices of weapons dealers slip.>these drones are blowing up our now-obsolete $15,000,000 tanks! What do we do?!>build more tanks, lol
>>536388817I'm fucking your mom with it
>>536406871>Jammers are already super effectiveEh, not so muchThey failed the ukranian breakout in kursk and are subject to constant cat and mouse games. In anything but a ukraine slapfight they also draw arty and antiradiation missiles
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>>536406966Retards said the same thing in 1949 and you can just close the thread then you fucking loser.
>>536389158sleepynigga manning the magnet gun on his phone watchin tiktokslop.KEK
>>536406493>C-RAMmeh they just fly them at 15m on final approach then. Nvm mind that apartment building the C-RAM is shredding trying to hit it.KEK.btw what happens to alllll those bullets it shoots anyway?>they explode at a certain distanceok so where does alllllllll that shrapnel go?>it's determined that this village on the outskirts is an acceptable loss so our starbucks can stay operational!
>>536407945Nuclear weapons absolutely changed how wars could be started.. why do you think that the big powers have only been having proxy wars since then? Like it or not, faggot politicians are gonna need to be really careful about what kind of conflicts they start from now on.. the entire dynamic has been irreversably altered
>>536388817war completely changed again like it did many times beforeit just gets more violent every time though
>>536388817My main tactic is not pissing off my neighbors in the first place.
>>536409142The main thing is that it's no so one-sided. War should be as horrible as possible for whoever chooses to start it (not just those without Lockheed martin equipment).Equalizing the battlefield in this way could not have come at a better time in world history.
>>536409142Drones are less violent than bombing schools actually since they are probably the best weapon that only targets military equipment invented so far. Not that you can't use them to blow up schools too but still.
