>>536767031>I had to create a completely fictional dialogue because im too stupid to confine my strawman to single statementsWow
>>536767031>pretending predestination is anything other than prote heresy. Humanity gained free will through the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Our Lord and Saviour does not control our actions. We are responsible for our sins.
>"nothing happens outside of God's willFor this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:1 Thessalonians 4:3 KJVAAE
>>536767163The heresy of Predestination has roots with Augustine, dope
>>536767163Atheism can only survive because it treats all sects of Christianity as a singke denomination that is as theologically illogical as protestants, rich as Catholics and schizo as orthodox, otherwise they are not able to find points to attack. In other words, the Christianity that atheists fight against doesn't even exist in reality.
>>536767246atheism exists out of necessity actually.
>>536767031As a former atheist I just want to say, I hate atheists so fucking much.I'm agnostic now cause I'm tired of pseudo intellectual atheists (Jews) angry at a "sky daddy" they supposedly dont believe in.
>>536767147>the YouTube live recording isn't real>my fiction is real and I'll spend my life digging deeper my pit of failClassic theism
>>536767390>I failed the intelligence test so I went back to theismIt happens
>>536767031>stupid people exist AND THAT MAKES ME ANGRY!!!>I'M GOING ONLINE TO TELL PEOPLE THEY ARE STUPIDbruh give it a rest
Fedora tipping is a fad midwits get into because they think it makes them seem smart.
Atheists are like santa claus deniers, its almost hilarious watching them crash and burn.
>>536767458Highly IQ people aren't atheists because they realize it's Judaism for the goys.Which leads to additional hatred for them Atheism aligns 100% with Jewish ideology, coincidence? No.So anyone wishing to reply to me must1 openly denounce the Talmud2 write out "God"3 use a standard "+" sign.
>>536767147You made a fictional dialogue so long that you call it a holy book.
>>536767147Where's the lie?
>>536767031Lol predestination is true, but the answer to the second question is actually no.God can not lie, God is good.From these two things alone follows the criteria by which people go to hell.These things are not arbitrary.Also there is no free will, free will is one of the dumbest concepts that you can imagine.If someone believes in free will, then define it. Defining what free will is and what it can do, settles the debate immediately because any definition either is not free will, or it seems to be capable of impossible things.The way free will is usually used it means:The ability to our of yourself (causo sui) create a new future within yourself, that is not caused by anything (ex nihilo).Which is essentially a genuine creative force that is equivalent to power to God creating the universe causo sui ex nihilo. In short you are claiming that you are God if you believe in free will
>>536768537I denounce the Talmud, there's no real reason to believe God exists + you're homosexual. Why do you insist on this meme 'test'? It's like asking a cop if they're a cop. Have you ever heard of a thing called lying, retard? People can do that.
>>536767417>Laura GeggelShe isn't atheist, she is jewish.
>>536767147>1700 years of christcuck seething and they still can't accept that their god can't possibly be both omnipotent and omnibenevolent
>>536767147Explain how he's wrong, christnigger.
>>536767163>Humanity gained free will through the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.none of that bullshit is real, that's all made up bullshit from a book of jewish desert fairytales that you've been duped into believing is actually real. Also, that doesn't disprove OP's point.
>>536767390>As a former atheist I just want to say, I hate atheists so fucking muchLMAO You were never an atheist, dont lie christcuck.
>>536767768>"Fedora tipping is a fad midwits get into because they think it makes them seem smart."
>>536769708You too. You are a jew
>>536767838>Atheists are like santa claus deniers, its almost hilarious watching them crash and burn.Santa doesn't exist though. Neither does Yahweh, god of the kikes.
>>536767031*chuckles* well actually, free will. Have a nice day!
>>536767417Correlation != Causation Whoops wrong thread. See you next time, though
>>536769728Your religion is literally based on worshipping a kike tribal diety and a calling some dead kike on a stick form 2,000 years ago as your "savior".Every accusation is a confession for christcucks.
>>536769758>Didn't even read OP's argument.Christcucks are incredibly fucking stupid. But seeing that you're almost certainly a nigger (given your flag) that makes sense.
>>536769600>>536769571Here is the refutation to your points:Congratulations, you have correctly proven that the God that you imagine does not exist.But your idolatrous image in your mind has absolutely not resemblance to the LORD who created heaven and earth.God elected some people (the Christians) to eternal life before the creation of the world and is benevolent towards them.They are his sheep, and everything exists for them.Including the Godless people, the Godless people are also experiencing Gods grace and benevolence daily, but the world is also filled with Gods wrath over the sin of men.Essentially all the things like cancer in children, and your own misfortune are expressions of the WRATH of God over sin.Everyone sinned, so death entered the world.And for the Godless people ultimately there is no salvation and they will be eternally damned.God also is bearing their evil with great longsuffering FOR the purpose of his sheep the Christians.But its only a little while longer until Christ returns and throws them all into hell, and then the saints in heaven will cheer because just is the LORD and true are his judgments.Also the non-elect are explicitly created as vessels of wrath to the glory of Gods glorious justice. And they will burn in hell eternally in death after being cursed in life.
>>536769600Well Spiderman doesn't have any power and influence over you for one. The Christian God you don't believe in does.Odd.
>>536767163Then you're not worshiping a god at that point. You're worshiping a weird alien with magical powers. That's not omnipotence or a real genesis, that's just science fiction with a different aesthetic. You're completely conceding that he's not all-powerful, and that the bible isn't the literal word of god, but an interpretation of it.
>>536768537>Highly IQ people aren't atheists because they realize it's Judaism for the goys.LMAO keep telling yourself that you low IQ subhuman. Meanwhile, in reality:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23921675/https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/
>>536769808You are mad because trad Caths and Sedevacantists are making big white families, anti-jew and anti immigration.
>>536769881None of that bullshit is real, no matter how much you want to believe it. It's all based on a book of kike fairytales who's story of creation and explanations for the universe have already been disproven multiple times over. The reality in your head is false and the real world is something else entirely.
>>536769887>Well Spiderman doesn't have any power and influence over you for one.Neither does the fictional magic jewish skydaddy that you think is real.
>>536767031holy shit op just outsmarted the whole bible!
>>536770033>You are mad because trad Caths and Sedevacantists are making big white families, anti-jew and anti immigration.Your literal fucking pope is a jew and immigrant loving cuck. Your entire religion is bullshit. The only christniggers that are reproducing in any meaningful numbers are niggers and spics.
>>536770151Keep crying kikel it's like music to my ears
>>536769863>"humans bear no responsibility for anything">"murderers don't send themselves to prison" (this is called an ANALOGY. Does this Christian need to explain that to a high IQ atheist like you?)So this... is the power... of atheist IQ...
>>536769970>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23921675/ The relation between intelligence and religiosity: a meta-analysis and some proposed explanationsMiron ZuckermanZuckerman ancestry composition>23andMe computes an ancestry breakdown for each customer. People may have ancestry from just one population or they may have ancestry from several populations. The most commonly-observed ancestry found in people with the surname Zuckerman is Ashkenazi Jewish, which comprises 65.3% of all ancestry found in people with the surname.
>>536770181>Gets completely BTFO>Can only seethe and call me a kike (despite worshiping a kike god)I accept your concession. :)
So can anyone in this thread actually substantiate god?
>>536770100And yet you hate something you don't believe in in the first place.Curious!
>>536770247Your cuck pope approves of kikes, so why don't you? You worship one as your "messiah" after all lol.
>>536770283As I accept yours :) >>536770232
>>536767031Last time I looked into christianity, they told me that hell is a purely human construct, and in reality it is either heaven or nothing, but honestly could just be how that specific church branch translated things.
>>536770283This video alone completly debunk your idiocy.Learn to speak French or remain ignorant.https://odysee.com/@michelcpoirier:b/de-la-question-juive-abb:c
>>536770306Sure, God created the universe via the Big Bang.
>>536770397Can you substantiate that?
>>536770232>"humans bear no responsibility for anything">"murderers don't send themselves to prison" (this is called an ANALOGY. Does this Christian need to explain that to a high IQ atheist like you?)Literally not what I, or OP said. Once again it's like you aren't even trying to have an honest debate or you're just so stupid that you can't even comprehend the arguments being made against your false beliefs.
>>536770051Lmao. The thing is you actually think you are smart.I will just tell it to you plainly:Have you read any serious philosophy?Have you seriously studied physics or mathematics?You are a child who can walk now. Baby steps.There are things like the hard problem of consciousness, the problem of language, the existence of archetypes, the reality that universals apparently exists yet seem to be undefinable, the problem of the foundations of mathematics, the private language problem, and many many more.There is also a problem with epistemology and the creeping realization that gnostic knowledge is - however unintuitive it is - is the only method to truth. As everything else is without priors and based on baseless assumptions.You probably dont understand the words I used here. And you now think: this is just religious pseud things. But non of these things are from the bible, or anything religious at all but all these results are hard science and philosophy.Something that should be your pride, oh man of science and understanding; and yet you know nothing.You are a fool who knows nothing, understand nothing, and never even asked serious questions.The foolish argument that I refuted is the most surface level take imaginable, it is only an idiot who thinks this actually has anything to say.
>>536769881Well, thank you for admitting God is an evil bastard that tortures people on a whim, and that you're okay with that.
>>536767031Wow good one tranny kiwi zir!
>>536770410Snopes hasn't released a fact check on creation yet
>>536770331>man is arguing against Jesus Christ by saying he is a kike>offers study to back up some of his claims>point out that the study is done by a kike which he supposedly hates>he then proceeds to ask me why i don't approve of kikes
>>536770382>Learn to speak French or remain ignorantLearn to stop believing in superstitious jewish bullshit or remain ignorant. Maybe you'll stop kissing nigger feet like your pope does lol.
>>536770417OOF.. "free" and "will" rustles the jimjams of atheists, don't they :)
>>536770441I feel like Christians don't understand how far they can walk this back, almost infinitely. If there's some internal inconsistency within Christianity you can just handwave it away by saying "it's a test from god".
>atheists getting mad they no longer have the cultural influence of the 2005-2015 era you love to see it lmf(fudging)a(arse)o
>>536770436He tortures them because they deserve it.And I will tell you plainly that I can only sleep at night because I know that hell exists. Because otherwise Godless people would get away with their evil.And NO ONE will get away.Yes. That includes you.So its not that I am okay with it, I cheer for it. Hallelujah! Hallelujah! For the LORD is a just God and he will avenge all evil. Again: Amen Hallelujah!
Nah you atheists already lost, that’s why you gotta pretend to be pagans now I actually remember the 2010’s internet atheist cringe era
>>536770432>There are things like the hard problem of consciousness, the problem of language, the existence of archetypes, the reality that universals apparently exists yet seem to be undefinable, the problem of the foundations of mathematics, the private language problem, and many many more.Blah blah blah, look at all this pseudo intellectual dribble you spew here. You rush in to try and claim that your book of jewish fairytales is the ultimate truth that fills in the blanks. You are working backwards to try and prove yourself correct. You are the epitome of a narcissistic midwit who thinks he's far smarter than he actually is.
>>536769600Wooow, that argument is so well constructed. Anyone that is not convinced by that is an absolute retard.
>>536770471There is nothing you can do to change my beliefs. You tried since more than one decade.
>>536770531And what is this evil I've supposedly done? What could possibly be so bad that it deserves eternal torment?
>>536767031Americans have to do performative christianity and go to church or they lose amerizzat. That's why Jeet Dunce Vance converted to catholicism.
>>536770524Well it can be argued in bad faith like anything can yes
>>536769970I mean maybe, but most "scientists" these days are Indians and Pakis.And you do understand that you can't bandwagon yourself into virtue by association right?All atheniggers do is repeat the same mantric chants. Never an original thought.
>>536770569>pseudo intellectual dribble So in other words, you admit that you are an atheist because you never asked after God and are an anti intellectual coward.I will tell you that I came to faith because of investigating those things, not the other way around. I didnt want it to be true, but God won the argument.
>>536770624No, that's NOT bad faith, that's the conceit of the argument.Why did god give us free will? As a test.Okay, well why didn't god create a world where such a test isn't needed? You're limiting the capabilities of your own god by confining him to mere tests and trials.
>>536770614I'm new to this. Is there Amerizaat? Does it come with a state issued firearm with the serial number missing?I might start using this term for my religion that guaratees American rights.
>>536767246also reddit atheists are usually jews and never attack jews who suck baby dicks- curious!
>>536767031Test
>>536770478"Muh free will" is a christcuck cope. If your magic jewish skydaddy was truly benevolent he wouldn't create a significant portion of his creation for the sole purpose of torturing them eternally when they inevitably "fail" the bullshit arbitrary laws he creates for them. Christcucks cannot refute the sadistic, psychopathic nature of jewish demon god that they worship. You are spiritually jewish, after all. :)
>>536770575>picrelWell, no, there's proof for evolution outside of books, like fossils and just general anatomy
>>536770696Probably to test our faith. Or should that not go untested?
>>536770594Because God looks at the heart.You are currently constrained by society, so you cant do what you want - but you surely did enough, that is for sure.But if you were given power or unleashed, then you would destroy the world.You are full of lust, full of wrath, full of self righteousness. You are also a coward.Have you ever stood bye and let injustice be done? In your heart, you are a rapist, a murderer, a thief, a liar, a slanderer, an adulterer, without love, and merciless, selfish and without compassion.And not only are you doing these things yourself, you also find delight in others who do the same.
>>536770779But why? He's god, he already knows whether our faith needs testing, thus removing the need for said test.
>>536770771Oof well heckfire those are some nasty words you got there fella! I'm totally clutching my pearls here!It's not 2005. No one's impressed anymore. Fudge off back to >>>reddit.com/r/atheism, thank you.And free will :)
>>536770735You're still shadow banned.
>>536767163>Humanity gained free will through the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.If God knows the future then free will is impossible.
>>536770575Evolution it proven by the world around us. DNA, the process of natural selection, and the fossil record all prove that it's actually real. The christcuck deathcult is not proven via studying objective reality, however. The Bible/Torah/Talmud are works of fiction.
>>536770633>I mean maybe, but most "scientists" these days are Indians and Pakis.Nope. Most scientists are non-religious regardless of race. Even Paki/Indian scientists are less religious overall than their muslim/hindu kin. Religiosity is for the stupid.
>>536770857>death cult Always fun to hear that. How many children do you have?
>>536770698Owning guns gives you amerizzat but having amerizzat doesn't mean you get a free gun.
>>536770815What could we possibly know about God or even ourselves if we are never tested?
>>536767031And where in the bible it was say, that god created hell and everything goes according to his will ?You can shit all you want on Catholic, I don't give a fuck.But you should know that they don't have a monopole on Jesus nor biblical interpretation. And religion by extension.
>>536769881Pretty gay fairytale if you actually believe that
>>536770834Once again, you can't refute my point so you just start spouting meaningless bullshit. :)Go back to R_TheDonald where you low IQ election tourist niggers originally came from.
>>536770836>I am smart>I am unaware of Quantum mehanics>There is only one futureInteresting level of atheiniggradry.Repeating mantras is all you can do.
>>536768537AD and BC not CE and BCE
>>536770937The argument isn't about what we know, but about what god supposedly knows. You can't simultaneously have an omnipotent deity who also needs to test our faith. That's an oxymoron.
>>536770970What's wrong with being gay, Jan? Do better.
>>536770977You're a Talmudist, this is the definition of a death cult.
>>536770977Why would I support MIGA LMB(butt)O?Free will. Take the L, buddy.
>>536770857Watch where also created by an evolutive process and no one claim that they where made by nature nor accident.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy
>>536770033Low class people have always had big families. Nothing new there.
>>536770811So, in other words, you have no clue what I could have done to warrant eternal damnation. You just start with that as the premise and work backwards. And no, imagined sins don't count. 'You would be bad under different circumstances' can be applied to everyone alive, including you, anon. If this is the entry ticket to Hell then everyone's already aboard that train.
>>5367709132 at the moment. Thinking of having a third in the next few years. And if you're using the "we breed more so therefore we are right" argument then Indians ( Hindus) and Atheists (Chinese) have you beat on that front by quite a bit. The only rapidly breeding christcuck populations are currently inbred amish, niggers, and spics. It's not a good thing that those last two are reproducing btw.
>>536771070Talmudists describing the religion celebrating life of death cult will never be not funny.
>>536771005Again, our faith is tested because we need it. Not due to a lack of knowledge on God's part
>>536770907I'm fairly certain Atheism is also for retards to associate themselves with intelligent people.Like I said, I've in my life seen an atheist with an original thought. Maybe we should make a distinction between butthurt faggots on the Internet from broken families angry at a man in the sky for their problems who they say they don't even believe in and actual atheists.
>>536771108Why would we need to test ourselves? That literally doesn't make sense.
>>536767147>>536767163>>536767183>>536767204why do all the memeflags shill for christcuckery? you're all kikes
>>536771128What a statement
>>536768537>implying Christianity isn't part of Judeo-ChristianityTry harder next time, rabbi
>>536770919What the fuck? Do they take Amerizatt at the McDonalds?They gotta since they take Discover, right?
>>536771130I'm not using a memeflag and I'm a Christian. You can reply to me if you want, don't be scared
>>536771161No, that's fucking retarded. You're proposing the idea of a test of belief in god...but that test is, somehow, in reality a test for ourselves. That literally doesn't make any sense. That's retarded.
>>536771189I appreciate you using a real flag and not hiding. Why are you so sure? I know that some atheists are more agnostic/unsure and some are really sure/vigilant, but I don't know of any religious people who are only slightly sure.What makes you so sure of your paradigm?
>>536770965>You can shit all you want on Catholic, I don't give a fuck.jews and free masons care about it.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pNWhqfJBn04
>>536771217Don't curse now. That's not what I said. Which part are you misunderstanding?
>>536767031>"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."Says nothing about creating hell.
>>536771055Watchmaker analogy is a pure christcuck cope argument. Very "god of the gaps" in nature.Not every process that exists came into being due to some anthropomorphic will, much less Yahweh, god of the kikes from the Bible/Talmud. And the Book of Genesis says that Yahweh created the world in 7 days and sculpted man from mud. Both these points are objectively incorrect.
>>536771119>I'm fairly certain Atheism is also for retards to associate themselves with intelligent people.You're projecting your own reason for being a christcuck onto people who haven't fallen for the same bullshit that you did.
>>536767246You're just being dishonest, there is a hundred points people could make about any denomination and people have made them.
I call the Bible Limitless A War Of The Worlds because in a way it’s a war of Man Satan God. Boomers called it Curse Of Adam.If God wins that’s cheating If man wins man will just make a 4chan thread complaining they won If Satan wins all is lost______________________________CriticismAdam and Eve can make choices to make choices? Or tricked? In a world with conjoined twins? For freewill uhhh kek>jews won debates against God btw God needs God to save me from God and the things God made You claim to save my soul yet technically you telling me about the Bible sealed my fate dumb dumb
>>536771263Well I suppose one of the things is that I do believe the universe was created and couldn't have come from nothing., something can't come from nothing. So that in my belief confirms a prime mover
>>536771130There is a HUGE (((effort))) right now to push christcuckoldry on the disenfranchised and angry white youth in order to de-racialize and generally pacify them christcuckoldry's lies.
Limitless Man A War of The WorldsHeaven HelllEarthIn a way the 67th story is the most important. Yet is our fate sealed? Or its lights out and our creator doesn’t owe us a thing.
>>536771263>>536771368So from there you see all these religions that profess a god of some sort. But, the agnostic/atheist will have to agree with me that the truth is objective. However many theories there are (ie 6000 religions if I'm not mistaken) they cannot be simultaneously true.
>>536771100Some African countries are based. They reject sodomy, immigration ect... so their birthrate is going well.It's not rocket science.
>>536771368If the universe couldn't have come from nothing, then what did God make the universe out of?
>>536771282Suck my fucking cock, get off 4chan if you don't like cursing.When people say, "god is all-knowing" that doesn't make sense. Because if god is all-knowing, why would he punish people for sins they are destined to commit?The cope that Christians use is that God actually endowed man with free will, in order to test our faith, thus stripping god of his responsibility for our bad actions. That's the insinuation with this post here >>536770441But, again, that doesn't make any sense, as I just discussed. Trying to do a sudden U-turn and say "that test is actually for ourselves" is incoherent. It's an oxymoron. Why would we need to test ourselves on if we believe in god or not?
>>536771368>Well I suppose one of the things is that I do believe the universe was created and couldn't have come from nothing., something can't come from nothing. So that in my belief confirms a prime moverAnd once again, how do you know that "prime mover" is "Yahweh, god of the kikes" and not something else entirely? And who/what created that "prime mover"?
I wonder the story will end. Maybe it come full circle hahaha
>>536771521>Some African countries are basedSpoken like a true christcuck. Religion before race is why you are the literal antithesis of anything "based".
>>536771085>If this is the entry ticket to Hell then everyone's already aboard that trainDING DING DING correct.Thats what the Bible says.As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit. The poison of vipers is on their lips. Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery mark their ways, and the way of peace they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in Gods sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.Romans 3:10-20 Thats the Gospel: EVERYONE, me and you. We are all sheep going astray, we were without any hope we sinned.And the only thing left was for God to destroy the world and throw us all into hell, as we rightfully deserved.But so much did God love the world that he sent his only beloved son, so that whoever believed in him would not perish but gain eternal life.The only way how anyone will ever not be damned is if Christ bears the punishment which that person rightfully deserves.And if you do not see that your heart is desperately evil, then its only because you do not know yourself.
>>536767147Did your god create Hell?
>>536771538Yes you are responsible for your actions. And I never said we are testing ourselves. God is testing us for out benefit.
>>536771610Of course. Did you know that there is only one time a three fold roaring, cheering, AMEN HALLELUJAH!And it is over the creation of hell and Gods judgment
>>536771318I said a while back in the thread I'm pretty much an Atheist. In fact, I think somewhere in the mid to late 2000s Atheism was adopted as an LGBTQ gender, like Apache Attack Chopper, but real.I think you've projected your lack of luck in life on God and began to hate him, then claimed "he's not even real" but you're still super pissed at him. Thus the need to shout about how terriblle the God of your father's is on the Internet like anyone even cares.I think there's been a lot of jewish influence poured into modern Atheism as well so you're also a jewish golem, most likely.
>>536771631Again, why? He's god, he already knows the answer for this test.>God is testing us for out benefit.Again, that's incoherent. Why would HIS test benefit US? It's an INTERNAL test.
>>536771544You don't hate any of the other ones, for starters.
Ignorance and Arrogance The egg shouldn’t exist (people)Yet it does (people)
>>536771575>they reject immigrationLearn to read idiot.You are pointing the low birthrate in the West.The cause is atheism. Abortions, immigration of replacement, contraceptive means ect... aren't Christian policies.
>>536771682It brings us closer to Him
Man’s purpose is to breed and multiply and survive yet man can outside of this? Even now
>>536771682>God is testing youThis is not and was never a Christian doctrine.Whoever believes that is not a Christian and will go to hell. Its however a belief in Islam
>>536771682I don't know, but you're failing the test, most likely.
>>536769881>My jew-demon arbitrarily chose random people to go to heavenSo your demonic entity is arbitrary.Thus, he is not benevolent, he is merely random like nature.>Everyone sinnedThis proves that you're an atheist. If you genuinely believed in God, you wouldn't intentionally reject him by disobeying him.>there is no salvation and they will be arbitrarily and eternally damned.So then your demonic jewish entity is arbitrary and malevolent.You refuted nothing but only dug yourself deeper by exposing your own malevolence and thus your ego (the demon you worship) is also malevolent.
>>536771728Why would we need a test for that?>>536771757You may be right, I genuinely don't know, I'm not an expert on religious text. But that's absolutely the case whenever you debate most Christians, for sure.
>>536771101>Talmudists describing the religion celebrating life of death cult will never be not funny.Christianity is a deathcult because it preaches that no matter how bad things get, some magic jewish skydaddy will just come down and fix everything in the end anyways and we'll all get to live in a paradise he creates. It completelyfucks up peoples priorities and survival instincts. It teaches people to live for a fictional afterlife instead of doing everything possible to make what is very likely the only life they will ever have the best that it will be for themselves and their children.
However the Christian’s can’t accept everything including all the evil they can think of and all the fucked up shit comes from God
>>536770531>children deserve to be eternally tortured because I say soSo you are evil and malevolent. You get off to the idea of torturing people who disagreed with you online. That's pathetic and cringe.
>>536771690>avoids the question like a pussy and once again resorts to strawmansYou debate like a women.
It’s almost like a coin flip. 50/50
>>536771708>they reject immigrationI got bad news for you...
>>536771674Then your god intentionally tortures people for arbitrary reasons, making it a demon.
>>536771768I feel like the people who adopted religion solely to "own the left" are probably the most egregiously sinful people, but what do I know. Maybe there's some verse in the bible about how it's totally okay to grift and lie and deceive people.
>>536771779To strengthen our faith and overall character. Again, should we never face any trial or test?
>>536771779What the Bibel says is that ALL THINGS work for the favor of those who love God.Therefore God is not testing you, but God is bringing things into your life in order to guide you - that is IF you love God.If you are not a Christian, however then what you are experiencing may just genuinely be Gods wrath as a consequence of either your sins, or the sins of your father, or even the sins of the nation or the entire world.God often pours out his wrath in a corporal way, which seems really strange in our hyper individualistic age.
>>536767031>why does evil existto test us
>>536767163Can you tell me what was wrong with Adam and Eve that they failed to make the right choice? Something must have been wrong, otherwise they wouldn't have failed. What was it?
>>536771831IAYC>>536771871I've been debating atheists since 2006 on places like GameTrailers and GameFaqs, thank you very much
>>536771878No but why would we need a TEST for that? Specifically, a test. This is god we're talking about, he could test our faith in any other way.
>>536771708>The cause is atheism80% of Americans are christcucks, and the birthrate is still low as fuck and everyone is still a jewslave. You're just grasping at straws bro. Birth rates are collapsing because the standard of living has gone to shit, and kikes have pushed their poison into the culture of both sides of the political equation.
>>536767417the scientists you read about in your science books are christian
>>536771368Fair enough, that's what it all comes down to for intelligent people. It becomes an argument of infinite regress on either side, honestly. It may just be the truth that the universe is unintuitive or even counterintuitive and something can actually come from nothing. I tend to think about other philosophical questions though, rather than just about what happened at the 'start' or 'beginning'. I wonder if space can go on infinitely, if time can go on infinitely, if space compressing would necessarily compress time, if the start had a creator/god then will the end have a destroyer/entity? etc.
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>>536771858>Atheist doesn't know what hell is.>In some versions of Christian theology, Hell is the place or state into which, by God's definitive judgment, unrepentant sinners pass in the general judgment, or, as some Christians believe, immediately after death as a result of a person's choice to be separated from GodYou've chosen your own hell but it's not filled with fire and brimstone. It's simply filled with godlessness.Did you ever wonder why people around you are happier than you are?
>>536771905>I've been debating atheists since 2006 on places like GameTrailers and GameFaqs, thank you very muchNope, you didn't. The truth of the matter is you were an atheist, just like everybody else from the mid 2000s to the mid 2010s, then the contrarian pendulum hit you hard, and now you're LARPing as a Christian-Conservative on an anime website.
>>536771909Why not a test? Why are you hungup on that
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>>536771821>>536771858The reasons are not arbitrary, but they are just.Its just that your own sense of morality is so warped that seeing evil no longer offends you.
>>536771821All really serious christcucks I've met have all turned out to be sociopaths or narcissists without exception. Abrahamic religions seem to have been created by ego-driven subumans who crave control and power over others.
>>536769600it's funny how atheists deny Jesus but don't deny any other ancient historical figures. The first history of Cleopatra came from Plutarch and was written more than one hundred years after her death. There is more written about Jesus in the one hundred years after his death than there is written about Julius Ceasar. Why don't atheists deny Cleopatra or Julius Ceasar existed?
>>536769667>desert religiongod created a garden at the time of creation, not a desert.and if the religion appealed to middle eastern sensibilities, how come they reject it, while europeans embrace it
>>536771950lol
>>536769881>Mormon
>>536769808>"you worship the same judeo-christian god"- "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."- 1 John 2:23>"then what god do jews worship?"- "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it."- John 8:44- "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."- Revelation 3:9
>>536771788You are very ignorant about the doctrine but I can't blame you with Protestantism, evangelicals I can only imagine what are your only references.
>>536770331there have always been bad popes, they are sinners like everyone else there's been plenty of shitty popes over the last 2,000+ years - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw6ckKvKE0k- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_DvxOmt8wc- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJrU2elm_n4the catholic church isn't The Mystical Body of The Popebut The Mystical Body of Christfrom papal letters to crusaders:>"the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God">"that such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith">"destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends">"Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved"- https://www2.cbn.com/article/church/pope-urban-iis-speech-calling-first-crusade
>>536771954Because it completely slays your argument. If God is all-powerful, why does he allow evil? If he can't prevent it, why call him god?The conceit you're implying is that god has no agency in our actions as a way to test our character. I'm saying that's fucking insane, because god could test our character in any number of ways. He's god. He can literally do anything.
>>536772012Mormon?You seem confused my good sir
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>>536771965False. You said that your god Moloch created children just to torture them. That's arbitrary and the definition of demonic. You're a narcissist. The god you worship is yourself. That's why Moloch/Yahweh just happens to perfectly reflect your malevolent attitude.
>>536767031I can't tell if those threads are made by AI or a shizoid jew
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>>536771871>I feel like the people who adopted religion solely to "own the left" are probably the most egregiously sinful people, but what do I know. Maybe there's some verse in the bible about how it's totally okay to grift and lie and deceive people.So now you're using Alinsky tactics to claim moral superiority?Thanks for confirming Atheism has been adopted as an LGBTQ gender now.Leftniggers are a scourge on mankind. Please never associate yourself with the left wing again you totaly wagged retarded faggot leftnigger.Thank you.
>>536772043Define evil.What makes you think he *can't* prevent it?
>>536771580>The only way how anyone will ever not be damned is if Christ bears the punishment which that person rightfully deserves.Okay great... but why? If God really considers us so detestable as to purge us into Hell for the very crime of existing (He made us the way we are, as an aside), then why does believing in Jesus change that? If Jesus is the only perfect human, then heaven should be a Jesus-only zone, no?
>>536771852christians voted for trump to build a wall and deport the foreigners
>>536771950>memeflag>>536771971>bait>>536772069>>536772076if you were really an atheist you wouldn't give a shit about these christians, you'd realise jews and muslims are much worse and you're a bunch of kikes trying to create discourse
>>536772081le "4chan was always a socialist atheist website" may-may
>>536767031Amricans are really just uneducated heretics.
>>536771852Foreigners doing well in your nation is literally a curse from god>"The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. They will lend to you, but you will not lend to them. They will be the head, but you will be the tail. All these curses will come on you. They will pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the Lord your God and observe the commands and decrees he gave you."- Deuteronomy 28:43-45
>>536771971christianity is not "abrahamic">"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then [the jews] took up stones to [kill] Him [...]"- John 8:58-59nor is islam, by the waythe claim that "arabs come from ishmael" is not only non-biblicalit would not even be relevant, as arabs do not see themselves as a chosen race "from the seed of abraham" as the kikes do >"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ."- Galatians 3:16you have a kike's reading of the bible
>>536771962>"according to my book of kike fairytales some of his disciples claimed jesus came to them in their dreams, therefore he came back from the dead for sure!What a terrible and retarded basis for "proof".The Quran and Veda scripts also make many claims of miracles and magic that were also supposedly witnessed by multiple people, does that mean they are also correct and true religions as well?
>>536772069God created everything good, but its because of your sins that God has to send those children to hell.But yes God knew that they were going to hell before the creation of the world.And God is within his right to do so.And this is good.And you are evil for denying God.This is the reality we are living in, bend your knee to the LORD or fear his judgment.What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on Gods mercy. For Scripture says to Pharaoh: I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. One of you will say to me: Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will? But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, Why did you make me like this? Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?Romans 9:14-21
>>536772113See here .>>536771944 for a description of "hell". It's self-inflicted you fucking nigger shit
>>536771971Christians worship their egos, not God. It's no coincidence that every single Christian worships a wholly different god. If you ask them to describe God's character, God has completely different character traits. If Yahweh existed, all Christians would report the same character. yet each one reports a character that is a 100% perfect reflection of their own morality.Yahweh is personal ego>>536772118On the contrary, 99.99% of Christians are atheist. How do I know? Because Christians say that they are unafraid of death, yet do not act like they ever want to die. If I were a Christian, I would look forward to death so I could go see Jesus.You don't, you cling to life, you fear death. Thus, your atheism is exposed. Why do I care? Because I hate hypocrites. 99% of Muslims are also atheists. Though, slightly fewer than Christians. 99.999% of jews are atheists.
>>536772235>God created everything good>God created Hell and tortures children mercilesslyThen you admit that YOU PERSONALLY think that hell and torturing children is good.Sicko
>>536772038>there have always been bad popes, they are sinners like everyone elseOkay, so it sounds like the very basis for Catholicism's entire church structure is bullshit then. The pope is just another shmuck, not some divine mediator between your kike god and the rest of us.>>536772020I understand that that book is very important to you, but much like Santa and the Tooth fairy, god isn't real. None of that bullshit is real. Grow up.
>>536772077Gee, it's almost christcuck as a term wasn't invented yet, you fucking retard.
>>536771912America is the exemple to not follow.
>>536772106Brother, I'm an atheist, I'm not saying he "can't prevent it" if he doesn't exist in the first place.I'm asking you, if god is all-powerful, why doesn't he prevent evil? If he can't, then why call him god? I'm ASSUMING your answer to that is to test our faith, right?
>>536772281Anon, those "chidlren" you see on the news are all violent evil niggers.And you know, you'd think if you were going to talk shit and claim you're intelligent at the same time you'ld understand a bit more about the religion than a pleblian shithead before doing so.
>>536770779The need for testing implies that not everybody was crested properly. Why not? Why make some prople deliberately worse than they could have been?
>>536769887Spiderman had a big influence.>With great power comes great responsibility
>>536772116>christians voted for trump to build a wall and deport the foreignersWhite christians did. Niggers and spics are also majority religious and christian, and yet they vote overwhelmingly for democrats and more mass immigration. The difference is race, not religion. White christcucks are based because of their racial characteristics, not because of their religion.
>>536772324All American Christians claim to worship God, yet this god just happens to agree with EVERY personal opinion they personally hold. And each Christian holds different opinions that contradict each other.God cannot be 200 million different people.Thus it is exposed that Christians don't worship God, they worship their ego.
>>536772113The reason why God created the world as it is, I do not know. I can only speculate.In my opinion it is so because when the world was created seperate from God it could not be made perfect, as only God is perfect. And since darkness existed it corrupted the light in the world by necessity.The thing is that it would have been impossible for God to create an irredeemable creation.So when God created the wold he already knew that he had to die for the sins of this world on the cross.The thing is that you have to understand that the image you have of God is that he could just have done it differently.But there was simply no other way, what we know is that God gave everything.And that is what we have, and the world is in this state anyway.But it glorifies God even more this way.The thing is that God is not a God who can contradict himself, or who can just do arbitrary things. God can not lie, and it seems like the law of non contradiction and Gods own holiness do not allow him to just snap everyone into heaven just like that.
>>536772246That's not what I'm asking, mutt. Why is believing in Jesus what gets you into Heaven? Why is God fine letting his blameless Son take all the flak for things the detestable humans did? Clearly He finds humans detestable enough that their very existence warrants eternal torture, so why not just continue that?
>>536770524There's no internal inconsistency within Christian.The fact you literally cannot understand something in it then just give up, throw your hands in the air and claim it must be the religion that is wrong, and no in fact you, is your own issue.God already says not to lean on your own understanding but instead trust Him and He will make things clear for you. Which He already did with me.You would actually understand the Bible and realize there is absolutely no inconsistency within it if only you humble yourself, surrender to God an asked Him in the first place to actually show you the truth that is right in front of your eyes but you keep on missing because you would rather throw everything away if you cannot make sense of it within your own specific and limited knowledge, which you overestimate to be better than it is.You will forever stay blind if you continue like this while believing you are somehow right because you are convinced of your own delusion of grandeur.
>>536772139>Foreigners doing well in your nation is literally a curse from godNope, they were put in our nation by kikes and greedy billionaires who want them as cheap labor and to replace/genocide whites as a race. No magic jewish skydaddy required.
>>536772373I'm talking about White children.Anyone who tortures White children is a demon.
>>536772408Race and religion must be taken in account but basically if whites abandon their religion they are doomed.It's very simple.
>>536772281I already said that it is objectively Good, its not just my personal opinion. But I wholeheartedly agree: amen hallelujah for Just are the LORDs judgments
>>536772333>I'm asking you, if god is all-powerful, why doesn't he prevent evil? If he can't, then why call him god? I'm ASSUMING your answer to that is to test our faith, right?Wasted digits. Jeez.You'd have to define "evil" as the anon asked. Can God prevent you from commtting evil? THe concept of evil exists as a part of free will, generally.
>>536772456>There's no internal inconsistency if I just take a hammer, bash my own brains in, and give myself brain damage
>>536771925>It becomes an argument of infinite regress on either side, honestly.I don't think I disagree. However steadfast we are in our belief we ultimately can't prove creation>>536772333So the Christian will define "evil" as something/anything that separates us from God. People can do that because they're not marionettes. People can choose to commit evil.And how does God "allow it" if He punishes people for it?
>>536772255>Yahweh is personal egoThis 100%. Christcucks are biologically evil, human scum that are entirely incapable of thinking/feeling beyond their reptile brains. Any functional society will need to see these subhumans culled.
>>536772492Yes, just exposing you as demonic.It IS your personal opinion.Each Christian worships a different god. That god is your ego.
>>536772406kek, based Aunt May
>>536772515But enough about what you are currently doing.You still have no proof nor does anyone about any "inconsistencies" within the Bible, cause there are none, and there is no way for you to prove the min the first place aside from claiming that's your interpretation.
>>536767031anyone could win a debate against all beanersall beaners are disgusting fags
>>536772235You're a deranged shizo and I really hope the majority of germans aren't like you, because if they are you have no redeeming qualities and your golem race should just be wiped off the Earth before you kill any more Europeans for your kike overlords. Your shit race is extremely overrated as is, none of the shit the kikes accuse you of have you actually done, yet you larp as the ultimate "aryan" kike killers while nothing could be further from the truth, since the nazi "elite" were all disgenic, swarthy subhumans.
>>536772496>You'd have to define "evil" as the anon askedWell MY definition of evil would be very different from yours, so for the sake of argument let's use a unanimous example to avoid loading this argument: murder.If murder is bad, then why does god allow murder to happen? If he can't prevent these murders, why call him god?
>>536772526I've never interviewed a jew on the Bible, or a Muslim on the Koran, but I have encountered dozens of Christians who openly defend terrorism against children. Literally slitting the throats of 8 year olds even when better options exist.Dozens more run like a vampire exposed to light when you tell them>murdering children is immoralChristians (and jews) are the only religion that celebrates murdering children.
>>536769881>source: my assextremely fake, and extremely gay.
>>536772443>each Christian holds different opinions that contradict each other.Logical outcome of Protestantism. Catholics warned you now the Catholic church have been subverted via the eucumenism.I always share this video because this is vital to understand what's going on and how the Catholic church went from traditionalist to modernist.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHbmPOwqgL8
>>536767838I like this approach but your post seemingly turned into an IQ test.
>>536772578>You still have no proof nor does anyone about any "inconsistencies" within the BibleWorldwide flood with no evidence. Stationary earth and moving sun. The creation myth completely discounting evolution.
>>536772051Your belief is mormonism, not christianity. How do you not even know? You probably watched Mormon e-celebs thinking they were Christians...so funny!
>>536772635He will punish and judge those people accordingly. How is that allowing it. It's like saying the law "allowed" Karmelo Anthony to stab that kid
>>536772077christians or whatever trad larpers weren't really a thing over here before the flooding around the 2016 US elections period.This idea that 4chan was a trad anti muh degeneracy place devoted to Christ lives only in the minds of new new new fags demented trad larpers, of course people weren't even engaging with them before since they weren't here to begin with, so no need for new tailored terms to mock them back then.
>>536772450Anon, none of what you're saying makes any sense. Of course God could have done things differently. He's God. The way you're describing Him makes it sound like He was working with imposed restrictions. Imposed from where? A higher power than even He Almighty?
>>536772486>Race and religion must be taken in account but basically if whites abandon their religion they are doomed.Wrong. Whites need to be racist and pragmatic, not hopped up on delusional superstitious bullshit. Lies are not a basis for a functional civilization. Christuckoldry is inherently disjointed form the laws of nature. It's fiction. We need to understand evolutionary biology and our place in this survival of the fittest clusturefuck called earth. Whites dominated the planet because we actually studied the natural world and our technology was more advanced than all the others. Now asians are out-competing us in this field and we are losing our place while 70% of us clutch onto this superstitious bullshit.
>>536769433>God can not
>>536772705>He will punish and judge those people accordingly. How is that allowing it.Because he could prevent it from happening in the first place. He's god.
>>536772635>God gives man free will>Why can't God stop man from killing>God make big rock, can God move rock?Formulaic up in here. As expected of a modern LGBTQ GAAYYYYTheist.
>>536771896>Adam and Eve that they failed to make the right choice?Disobeying a command when you have no understanding of right and wrong is not immoral bud. The wolf that kills a conspecific is not accountable for his actions. However, once you have an understanding of good and evil you can never return to that state of natural innocence.
>>536772667Yes, but Catholics do this as well. And Orthodox is only popular among trendy Zoomers. It's a paper bag religion which they only pretend to adopt to stick it to shitlibs. That's not genuine faith. It's a fad.It also does the same thing as Protestantism where each Christian worships a different god.Christianity is like Hinduism. At least Muslims all kind of sound the same. ITT, you have Christians who say that God literally tortures children and gets off on this, and also Christians who deny this and affirm that God loves children.These are not the same god.
>>536772761I like how you completely ignored the entire line of questioning up until that specific post. It's really funny.
>>536771893>that is IF you love God.Why would i love someone who wants me to get hurt? Would you love your abusive husband?
>>536772727anti-racism and racism are sin. Something you struggle to understand.
>>536772761>repeats arguments that he cannot refuteYes. These refute your jewish cult.
>>536772719>christians or whatever trad larpers weren't really a thing over here before the flooding around the 2016 US elections period.>This idea that 4chan was a trad anti muh degeneracy place devoted to Christ lives only in the minds of new new new fags demented trad larpers, of course people weren't even engaging with them before since they weren't here to begin with, so no need for new tailored terms to mock them back then.true, see>>536771950
>>536767031Christcucks have never recovered from Ricky's brutal destruction of their beliefs with science!
>>536772765You didn't explain what was wrong with them that they failed to obey. I'll ask again: What was wrong with them that they failed to make the right choice?
>>536772803I answered the question.God gave man freewill.He gave instructions on how to live.Man can do whatever he wants, and God will not intervene.Is this your first bigboy atheism?And none of that changes the fact that you're literally a homosexual.
>>536772719I remember the fun we had with the "it's all DARKSIDED" fat lady, though. I mean there was some engagement, at least.
>>536772739It would be prevented if people chose to follow His will. The alternative is forced obedience
>>536772916That's not an actual response. Why doesn't god actually PREVENT it? Why doesn't he STOP IT FROM HAPPENING?
>>536772667>Catholics warned you now the Catholic church have been subverted via the eucumenism.Your pope, the literal head of your religion, is a jew-loving, pro-immigration cuck. You need to stfu and go kiss some niggerfeet.
>>536767031I'm an atheist and I liked their show back in the day, (even as left tilting as it was).But I can't imagine how you'd look at Dillahuntys life and not second guess yourself when it comes to atheism, the noble lie is more and more appealing every day imo.
>>536772906>God gave man freewill.Then he must like it when we don't act like robots>He gave instructions on how to live.In a jewish book that celebrates murdering infantsThere are hundreds of objectively superior books. GOD would not rely on jews and foreskin cutters to convey morality through written word. It would be inscribed upon our hearts and souls.
>>536772906>God gave man freewill.Okay, cool, why?
>>536772952I answered. That would be some form of slavery/forced obedience
>>536772043>He's god. He can literally do anything.He can't create life without suffering. No matter how much mental gymnastics the Christians do, they can't explain this. He can do anything, except that. He just has to make people suffer.
>>536772794>Yes, but Catholics do this as well. And OrthodoxThat was the pount of the video I shared to you. To explain you why they're acting like this, why the church transformed itself these last decades.You know these videos are shadow banned, jews don't want you to see them so make a effort.
>>536772916Threatening to torture you is forced obedience.
>>536772826>anti-racism and racism are sinAHAHAHAHAHAHA. And there we go! You aren't called christcucks for nothing. Eat shit and die you race-traitor deathcultist.
>>536772106>Define evil.Evil is any action that results in someone suffering or in pain. Yes, that would include God giving us free will.
>>536773011Anti-racism = anti-whiteRacism = hubrisRacialism = realism
>>536772995>He can'tThen he's not god>>536772993Nope, you're still thinking in our modern context. He could have just not created a world with the concept of murder in the first place. He could have made us immortals with unlimited resources. It's not forced obedience, it's literally removing the situation altogether.
>>536773002I apologize, but I am currently listening to music with a friend and did not want to interrupt it for the video.Especially since I'm at work and listening to political stuff I haven't reviewed could be awkward.
>>536773003But you're not forced>>536773049>Evil is any action that results in someone suffering or in painOkay well another anon's definition is different
>>536773071>He can't>Then he's not godWell yes, i agree with you.
>>536773071That would be called paradise. And you'd need to convince me why you deserve paradise. This world could be exponentially better if humans weren't so bad, and science proves that
>>536772993Which is bad, why? Shouldn't I want to be forcefully obedient to an entity that's always correct? Especially if that same entity is threatening to torture me forever if I ever step out of line?
>>536773089Threatening to torture you is force.Especially since this torture of children is wholly unverified and only exists in the minds of torture fetishist Christians. No just God tortures people for making decisions he created them to make. The Real God is merciful and enjoys his creation.
>>536773063Stop trying to backtrack. You admitted you're a race traitor. Now stfu and wash niggerfeet like your cuck pope commands.
>>536773063>>536772826LMAO stfu you cuck.
>>536772981>Then he must like it when we don't act like robotsYes. Perhaps that's why God hates fags so fucking much. You're all unoriginal and boring.>>536772984No idea. Ask him when you see him. Or use your superior intellect to find out the answer.
>>536773149Threat and force aren't the same.
The same retards pushing faggot shit now are the same ones pushing atheism back in 2008. I wonder why (((Dave Silverman))) was the president of American Atheists and mocked Christmas so much with is billboards.
>>536772906>God gave man freewill.>He gave instructions on how to live.Why give instructions if he knew Adam and Eve wouldn't follow them? Why not just make them properly?
>>536773140Oh, sorry, I thought you were arguing against my point. Glanced over your post. My b.>>536773144No, I'm not JUST saying "why not create paradise". I'm saying, "why create a world where this dichotomy exists altogether? Why not create a form of existence that is so alien to the human experience that is removes the need for this question altogether?">>536773189It's sad, because you totally just conceded how retarded you are, but you still get to walk away thinking you aren't wrong.
>>536773148How would you truly know He's always correct if you're forced to believe that
>>536773049To be fair, I'm no expert, but it seems to me that Eve stole freewill from the tree of Knowledge.
>>536773144>you'd need to convince me why you deserve paradise.Because I happened to be born to a Christian family and never was high IQ enough to question the contradictory stories I was told to believe in. Because I am a mindless Christian who arrogantly professes my faith online but lives for money and sex, own a giant house, and don't help out my race when in danger because I think that jesus hates nazis.>>536773211>Your honor, Tyrone threatened to murder the entire family if he didn't give him his wallet. This was a choice, free will. The victims FREELY CHOSE to give Tyrone the wallet out of free choice.Threat of death and torture is force.
>>536773247I don't know that now, either, so...
>>536772450>In my opinion it is so because when the world was created seperate from God it could not be made perfect, as only God is perfect.But why does he then expect us to be perfect, and when we inevitably fail (because we weren't made perfect) he punishes us? How is that fair? It's not our fault we aren't perfect, it's his fault. So why are we being punished?
>>536773245That kind of is the question isn't it. Why us, why humans, why this way. I don't have the answer for that obviously.
>>536773245>It's sad, because you totally just conceded how retarded you are, but you still get to walk away thinking you aren't wrong.Wrong about what? How absolutely homosexual you are, or your midwit level athieniggardry?I gave up and conceeded with adhom, you fucktard because I'm tired of mantric arguements that are always the same.
>>536772689>this is proof cause i want it really really bad to be and i purposefully misrepresent what i read in the bible to sustain my claims lolokay. flood has already been proven by the place of were the remnants of the ark of noah settled on being foundhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOrB0ikTYrUthere's nothing in the bible that denies the gravitational pull of the earth revolving around the sun. it literally mentions Earth as being the foundation that has been set which is to be forever still and immovable, as in, Earth is never going to go away or be destroyed in any manner. God has the ultimate power and decision making over it.>actually believing in evolutionlol. LMAO. you think you evolved from monkeys. that is the peak of retardation yet you somehow still think you're in the right. look at every single animal out there, how some of them like birds have perfectly symmetrical wings an patterns and whatnot to from beautiful things to look at, how they simply just know how to build nests or how monkeys know to handle tools or do literally anything and you're immediately getting blown the fuck out of claiming evolution alone somehow happened to just randomly amalgamate together to allow for something like that to happen.you were carefully and uniquely crafted with a purpose, just as everything has. to claim otherwise is genuinely just retarded because evolution alone could not have in an way whatsoever lead to anything that you have right now or is currently existent. the only reason to believe it is cause it sounds "logical" on the surface but the moment you even think of looking deeper into it, you come to the realization that it simply cannot work. perhaps do your own research on that, since you seem to live it so much trying to pick apart Christianity, but not other things you cling to for validation.
>>536773187I knew you wouldn't get it. What's funny is God is very real so we just have to look at history and the present in this world to comfirm the veracity of words.
>>536773296We can't all be perfect like you, anon :)
>>536767390The chosen ones who dont believe in God
>>536773360>>536773245but, having questions does not preclude faith, mind.
>>536773360Then, at the very least, you have to understand the atheist perspective and where I'm coming from.
>>536773413You could approach my morality by simply questioning dogma more often.Do you sin?
>>536771167There is no judeo christianity like there isn't Islamic christianity. Your a jew poisoning wells.
>>536772701Anon. This is called Reformed Christianity, its one of the main branches of Protestantism from the reformation. Also called Calvinism.Mormonism has little resemblance to it, but please stop intentionally derailing the conversation with this false flagging
>>536767031The cartoon is but a caricature. In particular, the third row from the top demonstrates ignorance of the Catholic argument, in which distinction is made between God's will and His permission. To the ineptly phrased question, "Does anything happen that doesn't go according to your god's will?", any well-instructed Catholic would answer something like "Sadly, yes. But nothing happens without his permission."
>>536773475I get it yeah. And I don't think I'm a better person than you, and I don't believe anyone should be forced or compelled to believe this or that.
>>536773475You have never seen a literal God that can predict the future with 100% precision unlike me.
>>536773475We understand you're fucking gay.And that you hate a sky daddy because you didn't get the candy you wanted when you were 6 and you'll never recover so you go around shouting at others about your sky daddy not giving your candy until you grow out of being a faggot.
>>536773549Cool, and for what it's worth, I don't hate religion or Christianity either or anything like that. I know a lot of atheists get a bad rap for that. I just don't believe in it, that's all.
>>536773344It is how it is. Because of Gods holiness he can not allow something sinful to stand before him.You have to think about it less a personal grudge against you, but more a force of nature.Its like saying: why cant I jump over the moon, its so unfair
>>536773522Every day, as do we all
>>536767163If God made everything, and knows everything, then he is ultimately responsible for everything, including our sins.If God controls the basic parameters of the cosmos, then he indirectly controls everything, including our actions.You'd have to carve out some metaphysical area that is independent of God in order to maintain your ideas about free will, but then you are rejecting core notions of traditional theism.>>536771000Quantum mechanics doesn't disprove determinism, dummy, it just means, as far as we can tell, that we cannot in principle *predict* future outcomes. But there could still be a fact of the matter which outcome will happen, just like there are facts about the past which cannot in principle be determined from the present wavefunction - the backwards evolution of the wavefunction terminates in a "collapsed" state, and we can't go back any further. But that of course doesn't mean that there *are* no earlier facts.
>>536773286So what was wrong with her?
>>536773582So you reject God.If you genuinely loved him like a father, you'd obey him and not sin.
>>536773544They'll just flip it back around to "Then if God good, why He allow bad thing to happen?" or claim that He's not all powerful if He's unable to force things to go accord to His will, but then flip it back around to the first thing I just said if you claim they can happen but only with His permission. There's no point in arguing at that stage anymore.
>>536773373>okay. flood has already been proven by the place of were the remnants of the ark of noah settled on being foundAn obvious forgery, like every other religious relic. A flood would have wiped out literally all life on Earth, including plants and marine animals. Not to mention that you can't feed that many animals (what did the carnivores eat), throw away their excrement, or repopulate a planet with only two of each animal.>you think you evolved from monkeys.No one who believes in evolution says we came from monkeys. That line only comes from idiot Christians, like you.>look at every single animal out there, how some of them like birds have perfectly symmetrical wings an patterns and whatnot to from beautiful things to look atWhat about birds born defective, or with uneven wings? They don't look that beautiful to me.
>>536773580So you agree it's unfair, but you still support God? Are there any guarantees he won't be unfair to us again?
>>536773590>Quantum mechanics doesn't disprove determinism,Indeed. It supports it. Quantm determinism, nigger. Mutiple futures in parrallel. Turn your brain on to get eh meaning.
>>536773590>it's everyone's fault but my ownvery compelling argument...off to hell with you then, lol.
>>536770569>Everything I don't understand is pseudo intellectual dribble.Did you even complete high school? Because the problems anon mentioned >>536770432 are not trivial and would be acknowledged as such by researchers in the field not necessarily in agreement with us Christians.
>>536773580>not worshiping me is a sinSounds like Yahweh is a petulant child. God doesn't need groveling. Only a demon requires worship.
>>536773692You are not entitled to even be alive. To be fair.
>>536772954Never associate with other religion. This is the point. Free masons were forbiden to enter in Catholic churchs untill 1982.I shared you a video explaining these changes, you won't watch it. You never try to be less ignorant on the matter because you are of bad faith.You come here to insult Christians, there is no other reason.
>>536773757A meaningless statement.
>>536773631Well, I think a poltiician told her men get paid 77% more or something so she rejected being a woman.IDK. I'm getting onery. I need to stop dealing with atheinigger drill down bullshit. I'm exiting the thread.
>>536773656>this massive fucking area of land in the bumfuck of nowhere that had no reason for anyone to go to or even bring any form of equipment big enough that could get the work done without anyone notice is a forgeryokay retard. not reading anything else you have to say, you immediately raped your entire "argument" with this alone. you'll claim the least possible thing to forge is a forgery but then turn around and believe the tiniest retard shit that would be easier and less costly to forget to be real. it's not even an issue of being proven wrong here, it's literally just your own fault for not wanting to believe or accept the truth when it's right in your face.
>>536773798Most trivials thing you see such as breathing are actually the most important things.What is not trivial?
>>536773704What do I have to smoke to turn my brain on like you, my good gentlesir?>>536773739I never said our actions aren't our own fault, but they're God's fault too, because God is ultimately responsible for everything. So the idea of God being completely "blameless" standing in judgment of the fully blameworthy creations of his, is just a silly notion.
>>536770857>DNACome now! No one maintains that DNA in itself proves anything about evolution.> the process of natural selectionLess a scientific hypothesis than an ideology. In any case, it's been demonstrated to be mathematically impossible, several times, but most recently with respect to the time required for gene fixation. No, I'm not explaining it here. Research it on your own.> and the fossil recordNearly as much fraud the phony C19 pandemic.
>>536773834You said it yourself: it's bumfuck nowhere. No one would have noticed a construction project going on there. Besides, you already accept the premise that the boat could be constructed by humans, because you believe Noah and his little family managed to do it and under a time crunch. It could be a forgery.
>>536771167Judaism arose in reaction and opposition to Christianity. This was well-known until relatively recent times.
>>536773646If I were unrepentant you'd be right
Can't we all get along
>>536771544>And once again, how do you know that "prime mover" is "Yahweh, god of the kikes" and not something else entirely? Nobody claims that any proof for the existence of God proves the existence of the Christian God, but only the existence of God.> And who/what created that "prime mover"?You need to study Aristotle.
>>536774091That is cope. Your father commands you not to sin, yet you reject him every single day.You're an atheist. A genuine believer wouldn't intentionally disobey God.
>>536774204Thank you. That's why the modern atheist is a jewish golem simply practicing critical theory to attack Christianity.You'll notice there's no attempts to disprove that a God exists, but to question Christianity.This is the most upsetting part of "Atheists". They're simply anti-Christian and 99% literal LGBTQ sumbags.
>>536774115If you got over your ego worship, we'd be the same.Let go of your enormous ego and jewish dogma.
>>536774115>getting along with literal demons puppeting people's minds to get them to say the blasphemies and mockeries that they do
>>536774239And I repent every day.
>>536773927>What do I have to smoke to turn my brain on like you, my good gentlesir?Off? My brain is so on you can't even comprehend it.Quantum mechanics. Parallel universes. God knows all. Everything is determined, yet nothing is at the same time.It made the other atheinigger STFU and run to easier prey.
>>536773650Of course, they will proceed exactly as you said. But they'll also unwittingly demonstrate their willful blindness. It's one thing to ask questions, however difficult, in good faith; what they do is quite another. It is also astoundingly arrogant that they suppose that Christians, some exceedingly learned, have not already anticipated and answered their very same questions.
>>536767031why do all atheist look like that or look like that and wear women's clothing?
>>536773692I thought a bit how to answer you because this reminds me of a discussion I had with a brother in church.I was arguing that God was fair, because God gives you what you deserve and God defines whats fair.You are not entitled to be alive, as another anon pointed out. You are essentially living on borrowed property, so its only fair if the owner takes it back.However he was arguing that what I mean is justice, God is just. But he is not fair, because the word fair is socially defined by what is seen as fair by a person.In the end he made a very good point.In that sense I will agree with you, God is not fair.But God is just.It is not fair that the landlord kicks you out to turn the property into a hotel.But its entirely his right to do it, its his property.The guarantee that God wont just throw Christians into hell is that God cant lie.And he swore by himself as there is nothing higher that he would be with us till the end.And that not one of his sheep will be lost.And that whoever believes in his will gain eternal life.The guarantee is that God can not lie, and can never change his mind.Its like now you have a lease on the property indefinitely, and its a non terminatable contract.
>>536774631they're unknowingly aiming to represent the god that they worship, which is baphomet
>>536773749>Only a demon requires worship.On the contrary, only the demonic refuse worship. Do you demand due respect from your children? Your employees? Is it unjust when your parents or employer demands due respect from you? God is the cause of your existence. You owe him infinite respect, i.e., worship. Refusal to give what is owed is, by definition, injustice.
>>536774523>It is also astoundingly arrogant that they suppose that Christians, some exceedingly learned, have not already anticipated and answered their very same questions.They have, just never in a way that isn't either self-defeating or fallacious. Like this right here: no one's correct just because they're 'exceedingly educated.' We call that an appeal to authority.
>>536774695>Do you demand due respect from your children? Your employees?No? Respect is earned. If a person demands I respect them, that's a surefire way to make me not respect them. This includes my children and employees. My children respect me because I love them, and my employees respect me because I pay them.
>>536774674>God is not fairWell then i can't trust someone who isn't fair. I really don't understand Christianity. God could have created everything properly, so that it would work properly, so that nobody would get hurt. But for some reason he didn't, he created them improperly, so that they don't work properly, and get hurt as a result. And then he blames them for not working properly. I can't trust someone like that.
>>536774674>can never change his mindIs someone preventing him from doing that?
>>536774298>They're simply anti-ChristianTrue. Sometimes they lightly criticize other religions, but their focus is *very* predominantly on Christianity. And these arguments are usually ridiculous because many of them refuse to learn what it is they're criticizing.>99% literal LGBTQ sumbags.Probably--that'd explain the demonic degree of hatred (ever see a video of what happens when Christians pray outside of a baby butchery?). Also not a few Hindus doing the work of their Jewish masters.
>>536774523So, I think I've solved the Ahtienigger problem just now.When they start attacking Christian doctrine to prove God doesn't exist, the reply should be, "WTF does that have to do with Vishnu?"
>>536774674Someone that is unfair can not be called good. Someone who's actions result in pain and suffering can not be called good.
>>536769571And how does that translate to there being no God again?>God can't possess these two traits simultaneously...>THEREFORE THERE IS NO GODAtheist "logic" on full display
And i still don't know what was wrong with Adam and Eve that they failed to make the right choice.
>>536774695>God is the cause of your existenceI didn't ask to be born.
>>536775024WTF does that have to do with Vishnu?
>>536774764>They have, just never in a way that isn't either self-defeating or fallacious.Have you ever studied logic? The question is rhetorical, of course, because I know that you haven't.> Like this right here: no one's correct just because they're 'exceedingly educated.' Evidently, you haven't studied English sufficiently well either. I did not say these men were right because they were learned, but only qualified--parenthetically you may say--that some Christians were exceedingly learned.>We call that an appeal to authority.In this case, it was not. But appeals to authority are OK. Some call it an informal fallacy, but informal fallacies are not, strictly speaking, logical fallacies--at worst, their rhetorical infelicities. But, go ahead, you're welcome to embarrass yourself and argue to the contrary.
>>536775093You won't have a choice to die either.>In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.
