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>>537533782>nothing but slanty eye gooks in Taiwan with full access to all asml machines 24/7 for past 20 years.>Chinks didnt steal and copy the tech.>Western propaganda.Sure bro... nobody could have predicted this.
>>537533782>By Anusha Devang Shah, Mrinmay Dey and Anna PeverieriSaar
>ALERT!>ALERT!>NEW SCREENCAP JUST DROPPED WITH NO DETAILS!
>>537534316Its not stealing when people give them the shit freely because of greed. Sounds more like migger cope for being a loser.
>>537534455noticed that too. you can just discard whatever "info" is in there
>$amkr
>>537533782I mean they have millions of engineers all trained at us universities...idk why this should be a surprise.Shouldn't have let them into our schools.
HOLY BASED
>>537533782>secretly shipping an ASML lithographThis is literally physically and logistically impossible and just desperate Amerimutt bugman propaganda slop coping with the fact that global dependency on """Amerimutt technology""" is once again proven to be a myth maintained exclusively by American violence, blackmail, coercion and threats including straight out kidnapping and murdering engineers and scientists in terror attacks.Amerimutts dont invent and innovate technology. They claim and steal from others and monopolize and resell and rent it out to fund future rackets and theft. Amerimutts had to lower their bar to as little as 0.1% of a machine containing an Amerimutt claimed technology even if its not theirs in first place and they just make legal claims on it, to claim European machines with 20-40% Chinese made components as subject of """American IP"" and """American technology""" meme lawsBut if you have no concern about Amerimutt threats and blackmail and dont have to entertain fradulent Amerimutt fake patent claims and their cangaroo courts enabling theft and robbery and your government isnt dickriding Americas regime, its just a matter of money to replace the """Amerimutt technology""" aspect they pushed on ASMLs EUV lithography. Money nobody was willing to invest all at once just to lose it all when targeted and terrorized by Amerimutts, if solutions are rented out for cheap. Just like how Iran and Lebanon proved that everyone can dronebomb Amerimutt bases, blow up Amerimutt ships and aircraft with ease and Amerimutts were just hiding behind their threats of doubling down on their savage aggression with more warcrimes, disproportionate massmurder, targeting school and hospitals and nuclear bomb threats. They are a textbook mafia riding on the back of threats and fears.
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>>537533782Say it with meThanks you Xi
This technology has reached its limit, China should just nuke jewmerica and sell hundreds of millions of GPUs and CPUs to the west.Mini particle accelerators are the new thing.
>>537533782ASML is a European company. Americans can go shoot themselves, which is all they do all the time anyway, but have absolutely no say.ASML can give the technology to Martians for all they care, Americans can't do jack.USA matters on the world stage less with every passing day. I wonder when will they finally get it
>>537533782How the fuck does China not have this technology already, lmao? Dumb chink retards.
>>537536370mugabe
>>537533782>omg free ccp spyware/malware with your 60fps I think that I finally ready to mature past video games.
>>537533782Nig if berrifiable
>>537537230Yeah but I'd rather have Chinese communists know that I yell nigger a lot, than to have some JIDF turbospooks spying on me to coordinate their porn dumps.
>>537536261Oh god shut the fuck up you pedantic boring chink.
>>537533782>saving face ? lol they ar enot saving faceit's called copeaka everyone knows they suck and make up the stories about chinese "copying" or even "stealing" tech its the weaponized victimhood stuff"the west" is always proud to boast and flex with their "inventions" basically handing out blueprints to anyone who just asks or looks like they could raise the mystical diversity quota they worship so much (its actually a bribe to self sabotage companies and corporations but dont tell that to them they will say you are a nazi or even worse, a covid denier)how is that "endless growth" playing out for you mr monopoly man ?lollmao
>>537533782Doubt it will happen, I mean chinese exports to the west, not because the chinks would not want to expand the markets, but because America will impose harsh sanctions on anyone buying chinese alternatives.There is a sort of trend and if you analize the discourse of these billionares they might want to ban PCs forever, all hardware will be hoarded by those billionares and placed into datacenters, people will be given a chromebook and told to pay the billionares for cloud services, anyone with a PC will be a potential terrorist because they might have a potential AI that might go rogue.Americans should really mobilize and do something about these billionares and their political enablers, the American Goverment already once sent the police to confiscate the gold of the working class in the 20th century over national security issues, they can easily send the police to confiscate PCs because now AI is a national security threat.As for the third world America will threaten sanctions on weaker countries saying that chinese hardware is used for espionage against Americans, the lunacy will skyrocket despite everything being a lie.
>>537533782Yes?, they have been developing their own EUV machines for some years already. It is still not on par with ASML, but the point is that it's a matter of time, not a matter of whether they will be able to achieve it.
>>537533782Too bad, we should have just sold the machines to China, such a nonsense not to do that.
>>537533782>Poach up all the ASML engineers for knowledge transfer>BreakthroughOkay Chang. Please keep convincing us uplifting you was as big as a mistake as fighting Hitler.
>>537536825>How the fuck does China not have this technology already, lmao? Dumb chink retards.Its a really advance piece of machinery that handle complex physics, and its not entirely made in europe, but rather its assembled from parts sourced from all over the world.China already has a indigenous built prototype that is why the Americans are chimping out, and even if they had an equivalent chinese engineers are now working on solving technical issues and increasing efficiency.
>>537534455Does it really take 3 Indians to make an article that’s probably ai generated anyways…
>>537533782Why the fuck does a government have control over what a private business does with its product?
>>537533782I don't see a problem with that. In fact I'd love China to have the most advanced tech, just to fuck over island chinkjews and Nvidia actual jews.
whats EUV and why is lithography treated like nukes?
>>537537360>I would rather have CCP spying on me>I would rather have Israel as the greatest allyHow about neither?
>>537534645Our universities save a ton of money with slave labor, they gotta keep the costs low somehow
>>537536370multipass
>>537537877>whats EUV and why is lithography treated like nukes?china might make cheap pc parts without cia backdoors stopping the you will own nothing brigade from renting you a virtual machine.
>>537534316Copium
>>537537877Because Chinese EUV development is unironically far more dangerous to western technological hegemony than Iranian nuclear weapon manufacturing, yet Iran's been getting all the global attention. Oops lol
>>537538008>Laughs in legislation simply banning Chinese tech imports
>>537537877Extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography. Makes fancy chips, preserves monopoly on fancy chips, allows monopoly to make mucho money. Short answer: Jews like money.
>>537538008WEF already lost that battle, no one can afford to rent and everyone wants them literally dead for wanting us literally dead.so whats EUV
>>537537321Where do I find a plain looking antiemetic glasses chink wife...
>>537538153so just nano chips? or am i missing something, and why do people other than china think they have a monopoly on that wait you already answered, NWO. let me rephrase, why do we care what the NWO want
>>537536703Never, they think Hollywood is real life
>>537533782This will be like the flat screen televisions of the early 2000's, selling for 5-10k now you can pick one up at Wal Mart for 300 dollars. The margins on this type of equipment is huge. Get ready for corporations lobbying the fuck out of Politicians on why we can't import this shit for "security" same reason we can't import phones/cars. All fucking bullshit.
>>537538172>so whats EUVNot 100% but i think its an advanced microscopic laser engraver for making cpu/microchips.
fucking finallyit's actually criminal that a map painter should require a rig this powerful
>>537538381>A used 6700xt for 50 bucks is powerful
>>537538253"Do americans really?" Is literally something you esl morons ask and you reference movies doing it lmao. >they always accuse of you of what they're guilty of
given the current situation if they really started producing more chips the new found stock would still be all bought up by data centers, just as they do with the one we have as is.Why would Chinese companies want to sell to consumers when big companies are willing to pay a much higher price for the same parts.
>>537538296i don't think thats how it works, making chips normally involves a clean room and for lack of better terms shadow imprinting and electrolysis, you don't cut anything besides the silicon. i could be wrong>>537538439they're not 50 bucks outside the US, card I need is 3 grand
>>537538247It’s just the latest gen of chip fab, packing more transistors into smaller and smaller packages. The NWO is jealous and envious of China’s authoritarian control over their populace and thinks they can use “AI” to firewall western pops from freely exchanging information, and they probably will eventually. Until then there’s money to be made selling fancy chips. Short answer: Jews.
>>537534316I mean yes that's what it's saying. It'll be a copy. That said I thought China was going for a different method of producing EUV chips with a single light source for a whole bunch of lithography machines rather than this shippable version.
>>537538152>let me just antagonize the largest exporter of physical goods in the world, what could possibly go wrong
>>537536703May want to look up the history of EUV and *why* the Americans have a legal right to control the technology (they paid for it).
New amazing technological Chinese invention just dropped!
>>537538536They could do it, America already bans all Chinese electric cars.
>>537533782>Implying Nvidia, Intel, Micron etc will allow Chinese chips into western marketsYou'll get like a one year grace period to buy as much as you can before they lobby against it.
>>537533782Imagine when the only one company in the world sells the only EUV machine while maintain strict IP and Export controls only to sell it to the world for retard bazillions of retard dollars that an intelligent mind wont just come up with their own hmmmm?
>>537533782its the GPUs that need 1 tb of vram stupid thats the stagnate tech ripping us off
>>537538468Undermine the cartel to destroy the stock market. They need to keep consumer electronics too expensive until parts start failing and force people into the cloud. Also general goodwill with the average person in the West (legitimately, this would get a lot of otherwise skeptical people slightly on their side).
>>537533782Okay, so? If losing global domination is going to be this annoying, then just end us now
>>537533782it won't happen soon enough though
>>537537629>keep convincing us>Please stop or my feelings will be hurt and I will have a bad opinion of youKek you lost
>>537537629You can't and you won't do shit. Thanks for playing
I hope they have made some crazy breakthrough and are about to disrupt the market. The major tech companies need a shake up. If for nothing other than some excitement.
>>537538468>given the current situation if they really started producing more chips the new found stock would still be all bought up by data centersWell there are some rules of economics, as America transitioned towards a fascist states now economic actors form cartels backed by goverment bureaucracy.That is why you see companies doing circular deals with each other, now doing circular deals means that no member of the oligopoly can buy outside the oligopoly as it will be a sort of contractual breach of the new fascist social contract.That is why I believe we will soon see a total hardware ban based on alledge national security threats in North America an Europe, we in the third world will be forced to bend the knee under threats of sanctions, the only thing that might save us from this fascist take over is a total collapse of the stock exchanges in America that would trigger an hiperinflation.You might think this is just paranoia but the jew at anthropic is already calling for a ban on neural networks over fears of "terrorism", a regulation of neural network means that entire techstacks will be made illegal for the regular person.
I don't understand this nonsense. Chips have only been made in china for 20 years. AMD and Nvidia are both made in china.
>>537538468Well as far as American companies go, are Chinese companies going to want inflated US currency? Suppose China can flood the market in a way that forces the US to print more dollars to buy up the inventory. Maybe I'm too hopeful on what these Chinese companies will actually be capable of producing.
>>537539039We need foss lithography
>>537539080Assembled in (fake) China. Actual chip fab is mostly worst Korea and #1 real China.
>>537539080Yeah, "Republic of China"
>>537533782I don't know how much surveillance these things are under but surely it wouldn't be that hard to have a company outside of China order one and then smuggle it into China. I hope they actually got one and cause memory prices to crash down below to what they were at a couple years ago
>>537538975> hope they have made some crazy breakthroughthis is what I am saying it. It will force us in America to actually start getting serious about engineering and education. The more China pulls ahead the better will be in the end IF and only IF we can get our shit together.
>>537539405You would probably get nuked smuggling it in
>>537533782There isn't a single person, in China or anywhere else in the world, who doesn't know already of China's massive corporate espionage strategy or how it's been responsible for basically 100% of China's "homegrown" developments, ever since the CCP took over. Not one person anywhere believes that Chinese scientists independently developed their own copy of our technology. Just think about it logically: there is literally no reason, at all, for an individual to innovate in a society that does not fairy reward them for that innovation. This is the primary driving force behind capitalism and why it succeed, and it's the primary reason why communist regimes never make any real tangible progress: the human motivation factor, the potential to create greatness for yourself. It's a concept that doesn't just simply not exist in communist society's; it is actively shunned. If you believe that communist China independently developed all of their technology that is somehow exactly the same as all of ours, then I have a bridge you might be interested in purchasing.
>>537537877>why is lithography treated like nukes?Tards will just focus on cheap RAM, but the truth is it will be a huge boost to the Chinese military. And odds are the Jews did it, just like the Rosenbergs did with the USSR.
>>537533782ASML engineers are in china now helping them build machines. However it's a complex supply chain, they need all sorts of specialist components. Zeiss lenses for one.T.Actually works on this stuff.
>>537538975They don't need to make any breakthrough DESU. Let Nvidia do all the R&D. If they can just make working GPUs with reasonable performance for reasonable price, that will be amazing
>>537539547The whole point of smuggling something is that you don't get caught doing it
>>537538381how did this shit game ended up requiring more than 500 megs of ram is a fucking mystery. Clearly the devs vibecoded the whole thing. Also an RTS needing a GTX 1060 to run at 30 fps on low settings is fucking absolutely wild. My 1060 runs Rust at fucking 200 frames. This pic MUST be fake.
>IS OK WHITE MAN WE BUG VERY GOOD AT COMPUTER JEW FRIEND HELP US MAKE GOOD COMPUTER YOU GET RAM NOWno.
>>537534645>Shouldn't have let them into our schools.they don't come anymore, they've figured out they don't need to pay 3 times the usual amount to be force-fed DEI bullshit in a foreign country when they can just create their own advanced STEM-focused education system without the militant left frankfurt school ballast acting like a boat anchor on all human progress.
>>537539691Absolutely. Unironically, China stealing tech just to produce more affordable versions might be the only real balance consumers have against companies like Nvidia that want to dump us entirely.
>>537539646>cheap RAM AND speeding up the collapse of the muttistani empireWhat's not to like here?
>>537533782Good lord, you people have the memories of goldfish. Trump GAVE THEM THAT TECH. He was losing a trade war he started (the second one) so he tried to bribe them into making him look good.
>>537536825>How come china doesn't have what is the current pinnacle of technology in the whole world, that one a single company has a monopoly and guards it like a dragon, and it's currently aligned to your biggest enemy?Truly a mystery gypsy anon, probably aliens or something.
>>537534316I don't give a fuck if they did steal or not. I want reasonable priced hardware and the western kikes want us to only be able to use the (((cloud)))
>>537537739Yes
There's no fucking way. There's no chink bootleg of Carl Zeiss to make the optics.
>>537540560thisamerican corporations hire H1Bs and borderhoppers so that they don't have to pay white wageswhy should anyone care if their technology gets stolen and then produced by CHYNA at half the price?
I asked ChatGPT what a "budget" gaming computer looks like in 2030 if China decides to completely bury our semiconductor industry for funsies:>CPU: 16 cores / 32 threads (flagship gaming chip, ~5.8 GHz boost)>GPU: 1 × RTX 6090-class 48 GB GDDR7 flagship GPU>RAM: 128 GB DDR5-8400>Storage (primary): 8 TB PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSD>Storage (secondary): 40 TB 7200 RPM helium-filled HDDCan't wait
>>537539600There is reason for innovate, that reason is adversity, china was locked out of that tech and had to find a way around itIt was either start from scratch and take 50+ years, or do corporate espionage and do in 20.They absolutely stole every piece of info they could 100%, and it still doesn't diminish their accomplishment that those machines need a huge and ridiculously precise chain to build, mantain and make it work, so much that you could give it to the US the whole thing and they would need a decade to setup at best. ( Which they actually did, and there's still no production from the US fabs )
>>537533782Based ChinaCan't wait to play GTA 6 at 4K Ultra RT 144fps with my Huawei RTX 8888 Super for only $499.99 US
>>537539749it is impossible if you look into the industry you might understand why that is and the whole taiwan china thing a lil more
>>537534645What do US universities have to do with anything? You niggers can’t make this shit
>>537533782USA is going to "accident" this clandestinely.
>>537539663no you don't because if you did you would know asml is basically an american company. we exclusively manufacture all the vital high precision parts needed for the euv machines, we develop the chemicals, we design the chips. asml is the result of the merger of three major usa companies. china can't do shit and these dutch pieces of shit better be careful because we'll take it away
>>537541587the euv machines are our technology, you delusional subhuman. all you fucking niggers do is operate them. all the tech needed to build and operate them are made by us. the technology is ours, we invented it. cope all you want, you stupid brainwashed yurofaggot, it won't change reaity
>>537541003once again there is no "giving it to the US," it's our fucking technology, asml is mostly made of american companies. we manufacture all the high precision parts, the chip designs, the chemicals
>>537539514The US is biologically incapable of that. You know that screen shot of the 10 most wanted full of cartel members with names like Julio Jesus Cortez with brown eyes and black hair with the race listed as White? That's how the census works too. The US is maybe 40% White. Those Whites have been under intense dysgenic selection pressure, and they're incapable of even understanding it because the Jew has convinced them that the theory of evolution is mutually exclusive with the existence of a god(especially the Jewish one). The food and the environment have been so polluted that our brains are filled with microplastics before we're born.This is how nature stops evil. The evil of our rulers is self limiting, because their soldiers are poisoned by their evil. The fact that a country whose government doesn't care if escalators occasionally eat people can sail oil tankers through a US blockade with impunity should have been a wake up call. Americans are too mutted with their brains full of corn syrup, microplastics, and Jewish semen to fucking notice though.
ASML literally sold EUV machines to China. Openly. There were articles about it a couple years ago.Headlines catching attention while other news articles are quietly removed from the internet is legitimate propaganda warfare.
>>537533782>yet another thread claiming China is going to release/mass produce some tech that will change the world>it gets released and it's dog shit or didn't exist in the first placeK
>>537542006
>>537541003There absolutely is production from US fabs what the fuck are you talking about? They've been producing for a year.
>>537542429They sold DUV machines anon, not EUV
>>537539600It is wholly immaterial if the bullet in your brain was fired by the man who invented it. Scrape the Jewish cum out of your brain case, so you can think clearly. When, not if, the Chinese have EUV capabilities, not a single electronic device will check if its manufacturers respected Jewish intellectual property laws before powering on. It will function or not based on the laws of nature, and thankfully nature hates that Talmudic horse shit. Look in to how antibiotic resistance can be communicated to a bacteria who is not descended from a resistant bacteria. Nature is a pirate.
>>537533782>ram becomes cheaper and more available for everyonewhy is this a bad thing again? do piggies want consumer ram to be more expensive and inaccessible?
>>537538292They've already started doing it with routers. I kid you not I had bought a single TP-LINK mesh unit for $160 like a 2 months ago, and now its $220, one must wonder is it because it will get more difficult to get this kind of stuff, or because everythings more expensive.
>>537542912No. SMIC received shipment of some EUV machines, and it was done under some gay technology sharing agreement because intel had 40% of their annual revenue stemming from China.
>>537540956>muh c4a7Gp7 SED...jfc... please, place a polymarket or kalshi bet on it.
Is the AI bubble gonna pop soon and cheap hardware going to flood the consumer market?
>>537543126Huh... Makes sense why Trump picked Intel to be the winner... Money for his buddy, Xi...
Black market illegal chink computers incoming. like the good ole days.
desu I wouldn't be surprised or against EU pivoting its strategic alliance to China after that Greenland invasion stunt Trump did.
>>537543174All the racks in all the data centers are going to be obsolete before they're even installed, that's how bad the bubble is.
>>537543446They're still getting installed and will be utilized for one thing or another. We're in the Asimov(jewish) era where all global resource procurement and production is geared towards compute power ala The Last Question
>>537533782Thank you, China. I will worship Xi or CCP so long as get my premium gaming pcs for cheap fuck US.
>>537540560This
Most of the world will enjoy cheap chink RAM.Muttmerica and SK, leaders of the RAM cartel, will ban it under "national security" concerns.
>>537538296Basically you paint the wafer with a photoresist paint and project the image of the circuits you want on it. The parts that have been hit by light wash off and then you can etch the wafer with acid or whatever.Problem is that the smallest structure you can etch is about the wavelength of the light used, so you want to use ever shorter wavelengths, until you're at extreme UV.Extreme UV is tricky - it is absorbed by almost everything - glass (lenses), even air.And it's extremely inefficient to produce EUV radiation - it takes megawatts of electrical energy to produce a few hundred watts of EUV light.
>>537533782>>EUV MACHINES DISCOVERED IN CHINAhave to maintain Izzat at all cost
>>537536401Thank you, Xi.
>>537537421seething
>>537544090Think a Japanese man figured out the tin laser EUV thing
>>537544404Yeah, you use lasers to heat up a bit of tin until it forms a plasma and radiates at EUV wavelengths - this is the very energy inefficient process.
>>537543026>It is wholly immaterial if the bullet in your brain was fired by the man who invented itYepAs the Chinese AI exterminates us I don't want to hear>"but they totally couldn't have done it without stealing the EUV machines"
>>537533782Boomers gave them the technology and industry to make it. Now that they are you are supposed to care? Boomers lose the AI war. China wins.All there is left to do is to mow the lawn and drink monster in the cursed apocalypse you have created full of AI data centers sucking the life out of America while we fall farther and farther behind China. The sky is red with blood, but the boomer must continue mowing his lawn. For there is no tomorrow.
>>537543174>Is the AI bubble gonna pop soon and cheap hardware going to flood the consumer market?They are building out (REALLY BUILDING OUT) the fab capacityIt takes a few years to build out hundreds of billions of dollars worth of city-sized fabs, but once they are built out there will be this windfall of affordable gaming PC's if those fabs shift from AI to gaming (due to an AI bubble popping)Unfortunately the hardware that is being built now can't be directly used for gaming. You can't take an AI data center chip and use it for a gaming PCThe CAPACITY to build the AI chips though can be very easily converted to gaming PC chips productionWe really could see, if the bubble pops just right, absurdly cheap gaming PCs in the early 2030sOne can dream
>>537536261God bless
>>537538292EUV lithography machines are the most complex devices ever created by humans. The margins are huge because there is literally only one company on the entire planet that can actually make them, and no one thought it was even physically possible until a consortium of the US government, research labs, and private companies spent decades and an insane amount of money doing the research to figure out how to do it. They then licensed the IP to a Dutch company named ASML with the restriction that they couldn't sell the machines to China.
>>537533782Based, but can it withstand the drone barrage that's going to rain down the minute they try to set foot on the sovereign territory of Taiwan?
>>537540956Well I asked it how many S's in espresso...Almost like chatgpt doesn't know a god damn thing and is just a token based auto correct
>>537533782>EUV MACHINES DISCOVERED IN CHINALast year's news. They got Huawei, gave them several whole university research teams, optical companies, older lithography machines, smuggled parts from Canon and Nikon, ex-ASML high ranking engineers, and unlimited money, and told them to re-create EUV optics or die. And they did. Commercial mass production is a few years away.
>>537545406>there is literally only one company on the entire planet that can actually make themNot so much that, but that those machines rely on an incredibly complex supply chain with equally tight tolerances, and the American empire has demanded export controls on such technology. Domestic Chinese lithography, aside from old ASML machines SMIC and CXMT use, has to be based entirely on domestic supply chains. They already do so, for Ascend mobile and AI chips.
>>537538152>import to Mexico and laugh at glowkikesPotato cope
>>537536703No they can't retard. It was discovered, funded and licensed by the US. Now go prep your Turkish bull
guess they finally figured out this part
>>537541003I'm in a US fab kys at 4 nano. Fucking cloaca monkey
>>537543174>Is the AI bubble gonna pop soonNo, because there isn't an AI bubble just like there wasn't an internet bubble in the '90s. The bubble are the overhyped meme startups who are getting tons of VC money even though their innovative business plan is just "[thing that already exists].. with AI!" The bubble in the '90s was overhyped meme startups who were getting tons of VC money even though their innovative business plan is just "[thing that already exists].. with a webpage!" When the dotcom bubble burst, a lot of those meme startups went out of business or got bought out by a real company. But the internet itself did not go away. Internet access and usage continued to increase rapidly even after the dotcom bubble burst, and the internet never stopped becoming a more common and pervasive part of everyone's lives.The same thing will happen with AI. The technology itself isn't going away. And the consoomer market isn't going to get flooded with cheap hardware. When some meme company goes under, they aren't just going to dump everything they owned on the consoomer market unless it is so obsolete that they just dump it on equipment recyclers. If it does have some value, some other company will buy it and start using it. Also, the last few generations of hardware being used by all of the AI companies and in datacenters isn't really usable by the vast majority of consoomers in normal PCs. Most of the datacenter GPUs from the last 10 years or so aren't just a PCIe card you can slap some fans on and put in a PC and use for gayming. A lot of the datacenter AI server GPUs use things like SXM mezzanine connectors, and Google uses their own TPUs instead of GPUs. You can rig up adapters to kinda make SXM style cards connect to PCIe slots, but it's finicky and expensive and in the end you are only going to have a rigged up version of a GPU that's several generations out of date by the time you get it.
>>537545597>Well I asked it how many S's in espresso...>Almost like chatgpt doesn't know a god damn thing and is just a token based auto correctI made sure to specify "no hallucinations please" so I got good info
the only thing chinks know how to do is cheat and steal and copy. they are literally incapable of original thought
I fucking hate yurop with a passion. Good for China.
>>537533782imagine still believing these machines actually exist in real life and we manage to create such delicate structures with nm precisionkek this is all a frontthe real tech is alien in nature
>>537533782>CHEAP GAMING PC FOR EVERYONE WITH 1TB OF DDR52 more weeks chinksister! You CCP faggots have been saying this since 2022 with the Moore Threads MTT S80 lmao, you bugs are full of shit.
>>537533782If you believe; it would be alien tech. Humans invented NOTHING.
>>537533782>saving facewe don´t do that in white countries.
they just had to steal the blueprints, not a whole fucking machine
>>537533782Nice, cheap cpus, gpus, AND memory for sam altman
>>537536401i only thank dr. chudthank you dr. chud
>>537547815There's no aliens. Just smart humans, better than you.
>>537536370Minge status.
>>537547408Anon, if you're saying the same thing happens to AI to what happened to Internet do you really know what that means?It means the following:>many people are going to use AI>everyone is going to have almost free access to some AI>some are going to make their own AI too, without needing huge amount of resources>AI techniques are going to improve>hardware to run AI is going to become way better and cheaperSo, hardware is going to become cheap again.
>>537546554Yes you are burger, and i'm making intercontinental banana warheads in the hidden jungle lab.
>>537547872They literally just shipped the machines to China from the Netherlands so they could keep their interest in that one company they tried to fuck over.Anyway "cheap gaming" isn't what China is all about. They are putting all their chip making potential into making AI chips. China isn't doing anything to help le gaymers lol.
>>537540377>guards it like a dragonLmao they took veritasium all through and said if you have 500 million you can buy one.
>>537540560>4k$ gfx cards Becuase muh eheyeFuck these faggots.Fuck Nvidia and all of them.I hope the chinks flood the market with dirt cheap chips and sink these shitskin companies.
>>537538247They dont have a monopoly, anyone can build an euv lithography machine, its not hard.
>>537533782>By Anusha Devang Shah, Mrinmay Dey and Anna Peverierino, no and no
>>537548074So, there is actually a bubble, retards are putting in so much money in something that's not going to give a massive immediate return, but it's going to improve over time and become cheaper, so all this money that's pumped into it right now is going to be lost by those who are pumping it.It's a bad bet that is not going to pay off.
>>537539969To be fair... if you want lower prices you need to reduce a cost. And labor costs are cheaper in China than anywhere else because they devalue their currency to keep their exports competitive. Trump giving them the tech is a boost to our economy and a 4d move.
>>537534488>europeans want LCC (little chink cock)
>>537540956That's only 2x what I have now. Pathetic...
There's no reason why China wouldn't be able to produce such machines domestically, there's no alchemical secret, no magic. Just a mindbogglingly complex web of industry chains to produce each and every part. Industry chains which China slowly developed over the past decades.Don't like it? Should have killed western elites shoveling western wealth into labor cheap China to increase their bottom line. China didn't steal shit, they just bought it with your money.
>>537548326>They dont have a monopoly, anyone can build an euv lithography machine, its not hardEngineer here. It's the hardest part (or at least that is what everyone says). In the USA we need to build them totally without Europe because of picrel happening soon
>>537548916>Don't like it? Should have killed western elites shoveling western wealth into labor cheap China to increase their bottom line. China didn't steal shit, they just bought it with your moneyWe got sold out anon. We got sold out. They are not allowed above the red line in picrel when we balkanize
>>537536401TCD, free tibet, free uygurs, taiwan is a country, Tienanmen Square never 4get
>>537549001Yes, we got sold out but like i just said in the other thread. We dont house immigrants when we gain power
>>537548916>>537549001>>537549216The CIA gave incentives for companies to send jobs to China under the expectation that building a firm middle class in China at the temporary expense of our would result in the overthrow of the CCP, they thought tiennamen could be repeated. They were wrong. They failed and we are fucked but no one wants to admit it.
>>537549547>no one wants to admit itThats all anyone talks about. This exact thread too
China will take Taiwan in the next few years anyway and the TSMC factories along with it.Also, I read recently that one of ASML's top engineers was a female Chinese national who has just returned to China to work on Chinese EUV machines. DEI for the win.
>>537549646No one in the governments of the West.
>>537536261these machine take months to put together after shipping and calibrate .. moreover it requires consumables for servicing every month that are highly regulated and sourced from Japanese vendors ..
>>537550142they will all be destroyed before the US allows that
>>537549216>We dont house immigrants when we gain powerI wish you good luck anon. I really mean that too. The 21st century is going to be a complete and total mess for your nation (see picrel)
>>537550219Yea, that's true. Wiah I was a government guy, if sort this whole thing out easily.
>>537550274>they will all be destroyed before the US allows thatThey are all rigged to blow
>>537550378Thanks, we need it.
So I work in semiconductors in Japan as a big dick American. I recently got turned down by a milf who went to my college because I am still married and probably also because I am balding. But the truth is, the Chinese ae advancing so fast. Their schools are releasing qualified candidates so fast. We hire many booksmart people every year. They are not creative and they are irritating to be around but the fact is the sheer volume of chinkanese means they will have breakthroughs at every level. These are 120 IQ folks not African tier. I would imagine they can make any machine. The volume and tenacity is totally different. I am actually surprised ASML not a Chinese or Japanese company and it is a failure of their entire continent that they can't manufacture a single computer chip. Influxing niggers while depleting actual talent is incredible. Now salaries in Japan are shit tier because of the yen but still higher than Europe. It's really bad.
>>537549547I expect they got specious advice from the same cocksuckers who stole our secrets and gave them away to Russia and China (over and over again, for decade after decade) to begin with.
>>537550437Yeah thats what they try to do. It's exactly like this. It's called a Nigger Control Matrix. NCM is used to sprinkle despair on a non compliant person.
>>537541843Same car and jet engine over here in Germany, so please licence. And the wheel was made and paid in mesopotamia, grandpa.
>>537550677The tribe of the circumcised sands strike again.
>>537537421Nigger, your entire country is build on British culture, build with German science. The space race and the Cold War was just Americans and Soviets using whatever science they could steal and whatever scientist they could kidnap after the war that destroyed europe. You build NOTHING. You faggots didnt even use machines to pick cotton, you used niggers for that - and see where that got you? It turned you into a racial mongrel that thinks being American is a blessing.
>>537538292>>537545406Nobody is importing EUV equipment. What will be bannded is the cheap, effective chips created by China's new EUV. We'll be told the chip are ionized or radioactive or some bullshit to justify paying Sam Altman and Tim Cook $4999 every time you can afford a CPU upgrade. Meanwhile elementary school kids in Shanghai will have 64 core pocket handbrains for the cost of a math textbook. Welcome to the civilization fail cascade.
>>537550893All I hear from this yuro noise is migrants screaming. What irrelevant points is he trying to make?
>>537536370girl (Male)
This isn't newsChinese made EUV machines have been a thing for a few years nowChinese made memory modules are already on the market
>>537550979>reading comprehension of a niggerthanks for playing lil bro. Stay mad.
>>537534478HAPPENING!!!
>>537548925The USA can't build any part of them and can barely even operate the machines looking at Intels performance
>>537550905And who is going to enforce that ban, the US?They didn't last a fuckin month on the sues and you expect me to believe they will be able to strangle every single country into not buying from the chinks?
>>537550905They'll say the chips are a national security threat with hardware backdoors to the People's Liberation Army. Don't worry, the NSA has examined them and there's a classified assessment using classified sources and methods. (Apple chips were shown to have NSA backdoors in 2023 by Russia. US media ignored the story.)
>>537533782That's not how China works.China steals western things, then sells them for about 10-20% less than the western thing, even though they are only about 25% of the quality of the western thing.It's not rocket science.
>>537534316those are chinks not gooks
>>537533782well china have been stealing technology for like forever its their national sport, why would this suddenly be not the case.
>>537534645America doesn't have EUV machines nor the expertise to attempt making them. American labor can barely operate the things anyway. Despite how easily available commercial 3D printing is, most Americans think you're a genius if you explain a $300 SLA machine to them.
>>537536261Never in my life have I seen such a good post from a memeflag
>>537538243idk. Sweden?
>>537537739yes, because as we all know ai is 3 indians in a trenchcoatwe've been over this
>>537554365she ages like like the finest Grand Crus chardonnay, and i want her.
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The US and Europe lost, by trading their manufacturing for services and welfare gibs and shareholder profits. Rich people are stupid. Bona fide retards. Unable to understand how the world works. And soon, the massive populations of nonwhites invited into Western countries will take control over the government, corporations, military, and police, and through racial nepotism they will use the governments and boards of directors to take all the wealth and property away from the rich jewish and white elites that sold their futures away for quarterly earnings.Losers lose. China doesn't care about shareholders and quarterly earnings. They're thinking in decades and centuries, not in 3-month periods.
>>537554673As opposed to Israeli control?
>>537536261>t.SEEEEEEETHING CHANG THE POST
>>537551426>The USA can't build any part of them and can barely even operate the machines looking at Intels performanceWell shit. RIP USA. We had a good run there at least. I'm gonna buy some eggs (picrel) and watch civilization collapse
>>537533782Uh-huh. This is all about as believable as the lil' mini sun they kept on talking about successfully maintaining.
>>537534316China is producing real technical innovation at a faster rate than the west, Trump didn’t take the tech CEOs and kneel to Xi Jinping for nothing. Mutts with no technical background thinking they need to steal tech have no idea how far the west has fallen behind. Some specific universities and labs in the US and Germany might still be at their level or a little ahead even but overall they are scaling at a much faster rate. But miggers and kikes would rather spend fighting wars for israel and cry about communism when it comes to spending on innovation and infrastructure at home
>>537533782yeah, chinks never steal or copylet me know when they actually pull ahead with an original idea
>>537554607she needs a nose, lip, and boob job
Imagine how bad an RMA process will be with chinks
>>537556498holy fyck RUINED
>>537533782china can smuggle whatever it wants into the country, sanctions and restrictions are meaningless words to them
>>537556498B O G G E D
>>537555936>China is producing real technical innovation at a faster rate than the westOur lead is shrinking and one day we will realize they have thoroughly beat us
>>537556498I just despise women
>>537537877none of the replies are correct. data centers, data centers, data centers
>>537533782ASML didn't sell a machine to China, and China didn't steal a machine either. They hired a bunch of ASML workers and other scientists to make a supposedly working EUV prototype.If that machine is as efficient as the ones put out by ASML, then that puts them on par with Intel, TSMC, and Samsung who all have access to those machines.TSMC is the world leader in chip production because they are best at all of the processes that increases yields of usable chips.
>>537533782Why do you think the Chinks will sell it to gaymers instead of selling to AI industries which is more lucrative?
>>537559860Gamers are still under the illusion that their hobby isn't being intentionally demolished because the progressives failed to capture it. So now the progressives and elites are imploding the hobby. China is not friendly to gaming either. In China, gaming is tightly controlled and they put gamers in reeducation camps if they break the very strict rules.
>>537537877EUV mean Extreme Ultra-Violet Xray Photolithography via Laser Pulsed Tin Plasma.Basically they are dropping 60,000 microscopic droplets of molten tin each second in front of a ultra complex setup of perfect mirrors bouncing a UV laser light around and this laser have to perfectly snipe each of those 60,000 droplets at 200,000°C not once but thrice before it hit the ground, every second. It's the T°C at which class A1 supernova are being made. So every second this machine creates 60,000 nanoscopic supernovas who then are used to make a shadow print accurate at the nanoscale on silicon waffers, who themselves are incredibly complex to make. And that's like 1% of the process of creating your GPU/CPU in an extremely dumbed done version. But that's the most critical and complex part.So tldr this machine is used to dig tiny labyrinths imprints on sand. And there is only one company able to make them because only them have figured out how to correctly pour the molten tin in front of the laser at ultra-high frequency.Pic rel is the tin pipette.Humans are incredible (0.01% of them).
>>537560783
>>537543174>>537547408The real potential for used datacenter chips is not gaming, but domestic local dataclusters installed in your house that controls robots and smart tech without needing access to the cloud.Essentially the complete automation of all domestic labor for the price of a used car.
>>537538008everyone can buy a cheap pc now i dont even understand the you will own nothing faggots you have a library of every media and the internet at your fingertips with anything you want to access on it
>>537534316Taiwan is rightful Chinese clay tho, you can't steal from yourself
>>537534316The real threat are all of the PRC nationals enjoying free education including STEM leaders. Its not just that citizen is losing support and a seat. Since corporations are doing most of their bleeding edge research at university so that taxpayers can fund it. Thus the PRC gains access to all of the bleeding edge research going on there.
>>537555936America has done nothing for the last 50 years other than sabotage anyone trying to create progress. Is like we're on a race to the fucking bottom with the Jews. Instead of creating innovation we have bombed anyone trying to create it and force everyone to still abide to 1950's standards
>>537556498
>>537561279so taxation is indeed, not theft. and they shouldnt even need to pay you when enacting imminent domain.you are a very small brained nigger.
>>537561157>everyone can buy a cheap pc nowyeah, hogslop you retard
>>537533782>they're setting le stage to come to le terms with le china inventing le awesome giga chip!!!!!nah bro, it's just market manipulation, like everything else.
>>537534478BREAKING:
>>537533782I saved all the data of everything on a thumb drive and gave it to chynaAll the data I mean is NSFW gifs we sent in gro chat. Me and 3 white guys have a thing for big black bitches. I sent chyna all of the gifs. It was thousands of gifs of big black bitches shaking their big black butts and big black tits and big black bitches blow bang bros and shit like that
>>537536261you aren't white
>>537537321she's right tho
>>537536703Wanna bet, retarded ass gypsy nigger? You have no clue wtf you're talking about.
>>537538924>>537538958
>>537539756They stopped optimizing games. >>537540956>bury our semiconductor industry for funsies:Are they finally going to invade Taiwan? If not it's not going to happen. In January there was a lot of spam about China saving the RAM market or whatever and it still hasn't happened. Sticks that were $100 in 2024-2025 are still $500 or more. No influx of Chinese RAM. But I guess it's going to come soon if we just wait two more weeks.
>>537537820A simple google search would have answered your retarded question.
>>537543043>i only care about muh vidya gaymeskill yourself you fat lard ass nerd
>>537545708i don't get why they don't just send out teams to assassinate every ex ASML employee. would make sense
>>537555437>China doesn't care about shareholders and quarterly earningsthat's all they care about, you utter retard
>>537556888they couldn't build a ballpoint pen until 2017
>>537534316Taiwan is a US vassal state, you coping Gomez.
>>537562973China had nukes in 64'
>>537563870thanks to israel
>>537536261Holy trvke from a memeflag of all flags!
>>537562213>Chinese RAM. But I guess it's going to come soon if we just wait two more weeksUnironically two more years
>>537538243I too would like an antiseptic gook wife
>>537564773tell me which part you agree with and i'll rebuke it.
>>537564926refute i meant
>>537533782Terminator speedrunThese guys really named their AI Skynet Surveillance Network (天网)Skynet is China’s colossal video surveillance system, integrating hundreds of millions of AI-powered cameras across the country.
>>537536261
>>537533782Western people do not care if China has better technology then them and they don't need a story like this to soften any blow that china has something better. What kind of fucking retard wrote that shit? You disinfo retards are losing touch with reality Just let us buy good tech you fucking retard who cares where its from
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>>537562973Literally only 2 countries could (Japan & France).
>>537536261Holy based.Migger copium incoming.
>>537555936>>537561425This is also why they push the narrative China is the one making antisemetic content. In reality kikes went mask off and everyone can see they are inaufferable assclowns who have done nothing but ruin the west so they are hated. I'm sure glad this round of jewish proxy wars is going terrible for america because you give to much soft power to them.
>>537534316They literally own the patent on your own books retard.Go buy it from them. Oh right if you do your stonks crash and you become a poor little nigger.
>>537534316I'll tel you a story about American laziness. I have friends and family that like dungeons and dragons.I have a 3D printer. I keep it and run it as a hobby. In fact I have a few.Resin, FDM, the works.So my friends and family get into making models right? I make a few for them, no they want to make specific characters, and post a picture of a makerforge premium model and ask if I can make it. >sure send me the print files, i can do a couple batches sounds like fun!Two weeks pass, they start shilling a slopbox store printing company that mailed them their pieces in their discord.Either its a scam or these niggas completely ignored me. Because I would have printed (at least a little) for free. Americans are so brain dead fucking lazy that they would rather ship 50-100 dollars out of the community than share a file.These same niggas complain about not getting tipped in their dead end drug den service jobs. FUCK THESE NORMIES.
>>537533782fact: intel had to be bailed out multiple timesfact: amerimutt talent cant produce chips from the past twenty years on us soil and they cannot scale the process while chinese engineers canfact: ur a faggot
anyone that thinks asml or the netherlands isn't lying, is a retard.
>>537567717
>>537569959maybe they just don't like you?
>>537560783U fokken wot m8?
>>537574125this is false, anne frank used a ballpoint pen
>>537555936>>537557332>>537561425>>537569028China already has us beat. While Silicon Valley juden meddled with what they thought was a never ending run of marketing schemes, China just tapped into already existing infrastructure and networks they took control over around the Shenzen area. They win by default now by way of having no jewry, and no one will truly understand because they can't get past the racial bullshit. You simply can't progress with greedy monopolists at the top, and they just all happen to be ashkenazis grouping together. China is going to just waltz by, because they don't have this parasite.It's genuinely that simple.
>>537533782The US want to control themselves the EUV bussiness. Unfortunately they are still losing the fight against Algaeda in their pools. >>537574125EZ shill debunk.Mass-produccing is not the same as making bit by bit not totally perfect units. Even the US couldnt care to mass produce them by that time, they simply did what China did: The U.S. could and did make them decades before China, but voluntarily stepped away from the market because it made more financial sense to buy them from the Swiss and Japanesecheaper and better to Switzerland, Japan or Germany.being not financially viable has nothing to do with being able to do it
>>537576876>being not financially viable has nothing to do with being able to do itChina wasn't able to do it until 2017. that's the point, dumbfuck. Your Indian instagram sources have nothing to do with the argument.
>>537577170> China wasn't able tovs> China didnt care to do it before because it wasn't profitable > ITS THE SAME THING!!!1111 Show your low average IQ Indian related flag, ser.Source comes from Google not instagram. You can corroborate the same info on Wikipedia in less than 5 minutes if you werent the lowest IQ anti-China shill ive read (in this thread)
>>537577606they weren't able to, retard. it took them 5 years to figure out how. even china admits it as they were embarrassed about it.
>>537577820> 5 years to break a monopoly (in low margin parts to make ball pens)> a lot Sir, take your anti-chyner shill shit to your Ganges-like poisoned country.How fucking is easy with AI is to deboonk a anti-chyner low iq shill pol retard. Unfairly easy. Lol
>>537578628Here's my flag. Lets see yours.
>>537578701the CIA mutt anti-chyner yielded already? GoodNow go back to bombing little girls in schools. The only thing your country is good at.
That'd be really cool but I'm not holding my breath
>>537534316COPE I WILL BUY THE SPY COMPUTER, SO THE UNITED STATES OF PAJEETS ARE KEPT AT BAY TECHNOLOGICALLY WISE CHINA WILL SPY ALL YOU JEETS CEO'S OF GOOGLE AND MICROSOFT
>>537579353>scared to show his flagsaaaaaar......
>>537554673WE HAVE JEETS IN THE TECH MARKET WHICH IS FAR WORSE CHINA CENTURY IS COMING COW WORSHIPER
huh? i thought america was a fan of the free market and competition?competition leads to innovation, right? where is the problem, exactly?you should be happy
>>537537820E U V L L CUV LLChttps://patents.google.com/patent/US6031598A/en
>>537540560>the western kikes want us to only be able to use the (((cloud)))Clearly, the cloud is the future, flagship smartphones don't have them already and I'm sure that the rest will follow soon.
>>537534316Mutt cope is so jewcoded and it's amazing you think anybody actually buys it outside of US tax cattle boomerd.
>>537579787muttmerica is founded upon the jewish principle of "rules for thee but not for me". try to keep up anon.
>>537579787Anglos relinquished their entire empire, gave their country to jews who flooded it with browns, and destroyed Europe all because Germany began producing more steel than them prior to WW1 and it caused them narcissistic injury. You have no idea how thoroughly jewish and oversocialized anglos are. To say what is happening to the US and UK right now is deserved would be an understatement, and if mainland Europeans were smart they'd be rejoicing over.China has begun to overtake the US in most aspects; tell this to the average nu-/pol/ gen x'er, and his response isn't that we should compete and fix our situation, it's "I knew we should have nuked them 10 years ago". Anglos are demonic fucks and Hitler was a retard for viewing them as a sibling.
>>537579787stealing or being handed blueprints isn't competition
>>537580837Neither is the plaza accord and other judeo-anglo black magic financial sleight of hand that keeps the entire world walking on eggshells. Let's drop the cope and stop pretending anglokikes are virtuous and have some good-natured spirit of competition.
>>537536261lot of words you wrote there slant eyestoo bad i aint readin it
>>537581082Unfortunately he is right, and the longer American's cope like you are right now, the worse it is going to become. It is important to not live your life in a jewish fiction.
>>537580360>>537580674i must admit, my question was not entirely seriousand while i get some of the fear about china eating our cake, i really don't get the massive doomingi doubt china has a real interest in conquering and they also aren't in the habit of aggressively exporting their worldview/culturealso not ones to plaster military bases in everyones backyardmaybe i'm naive but i actually think china would be completely ok just having normalized relations with the west and just continuing improving themselvesthey'll take taiwan, and its sister islands, sure.but that ismire about being able to get subs to deep water than any chip factory, lets not kid ourselves.>>537580837gonna cry?you know damn well we would and will do the same as soon as they have tech worth stealingnot like we don't do it with/to each other right now, it just gets propagandized way more when they do it because they are the enemy
>>537545406>They then licensed the IP to a Dutch company named ASMLTotal bullshit. If the USA knew how to build EUV machines, they would have done it.At most, the US only supplies some raw resources (quartz) and some components for these machines. The most secret and important ones are the light sources made by Zeiss. Which is what the Chinese are unable to replicate. They can't replicate the purity required
>>537536370MRNA'd
>>537537739>3 indiansanon the "AI" is a network connection to an office of 20 indians in bhopal or some shit
"we control the finish line" -jim bordenhe didn't say we always win, he said we control who does
>>537581376Retarded nigger, there is literally foundational patents that come directly from the US government.>EUV LLC>NATIONAL TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS OF SANDIA NATIONAL LABORATORY Under the original CRADA, ASML was supposed to build them here. The Clinton Administration let them out of that obligation.
>>537581579don't know about that but they just have no real history of expansionism and they'll want to keep exporting goods to the west for a long whileso normalizing relations seems like the right ideaand when their standards of living rise the lopsidedness of production will also slim down, a smooth curve would probably be a boon for the west also in that regard
>>537580966shut the fuck up you brown slime. don't care for your anti-white garbage. don't reply to me again.
>>537533782china cannot into vaporizing tiny droplets of tin into x-rays. fuck 'em.
>>537581376US built the first one, retard
>>537538623>AmericaWho?
>>537533782don't care who makes the chippies just wanna play aoe2 as cheap as possible
>>537582122Always seething like a demon in church when confronted by basic truth lmao
>>537582317>changes his ID like a faggotyellow slime. i stomp on chink heads for fun
what makes you think just because china has 1 machine theyre able to copy it? go ask some a.i. how long it took china to make their own ballpoint pens. they only managed that in the 2010s
>>537550274>coping this hardAnon, the US couldn't even beat Iran, the Houthis, or the Taliban.
>>537581816Neither ASML or the most critical companies such as Carl Zeiss SMT / ZEISS, TRUMPF, VDL ETG, Prodrive, Neways Electronics, NTS Group and IMS Nanofabrication are American. None of them. You can look them up and see why it is hard to replace them and ASML themselves. If you talk about the company previously called Cymer, ASML owns it, it is called ASML San Diego it is not the other way around. Regarding the research, it was international, not only US was involved, but even if you think that is true, foundational patents and lab prototypes is not the same thing as being able to build commercial EUV machines which is being discussed here. Are you not going to leave NATO anyway?
>>537533782They could smuggle it one piece at a time.
>>537582371Still no argument lmao don't forget to tune in to niggerball later, goyim.
>>537533782Hey I know something about this!Chinamen have tried to deconstruct those machines and rebuild them to steal their design, but uptil now they didnt work after they rebuild it. They have tried at least once before, so wouldnt be shocked if they got it down now.They buy a machine under a different company and fuck with it too learn. Thats the idea. China as a whole is behind it so the tricks are of a high level
>>537533782oy vey! precious jew lost monopoly?!
>>537581816So what. Industry works on hundreds of patterns for a product. It doesn't mean they are all critical. Everyone can make some specific hinge that is patented, but not everyone can make optics for an EUV.There is a reason they are made in the Netherlands and not elsewhere and that's not due to some US president, that's for sure. Industry doesn't work like that. Presidents don't tell shareholders where to build plants.
>>537582230And why didn't they continue? Where is that specimen now?
>>537538439>t. dumbass who's never built a computer
>>537582601google it yourself you helpless fucking retard. why are you incapable of doing any research yourself? are you retarded?
>>537582654I'm not gonna do your homework.That's like saying: hurr we built the first CPU so we're the greatest. So fucking what. Do you build the most cutting-edge now? Then shut the fuck up if you don't. Nostalgia won't make you relevant.
>>537582696i already know the answer. i want you to find out how stupid you are on you're own.
>>537534316Reverse engineering isn't stealing. Also, I'd be buying american if they weren't k-shaped economy taxpayer money embezzlers selling not that good shit for premium prices because they're the only ones able to sell the damn thing, I also pity competition capitalism now depends on international competition and I hope China's enshittification don't happen in my lifetime
>>537582696And yes, US still has the most cutting edge chips and chip designs. Can romania compete with apple, nvidia, etc? No? then take your own advice and shut the fuck up.
>>537582834>designs
>>537533782i soled the ultra high end euv secrets for a nr. 44 koe loe yuk with bami
>>537582230Based prototype. Why dont you just go and build it in USA then so you no longer need Europe and Taiwan? It would help so you no longer have to rely on this for AI, data centers, servers, smartphones, computers, tablets, cars, telecom equipment, networking equipment, consumer electronics, gaming consoles, wearables, smart home devices, industrial automation, robotics, IoT devices, medical devices, aerospace, defense systems, satellites, cameras, storage devices, crypto mining hardware, edge AI devices. You could make them on Greenland.
>>537565020>>537564926You already would have refuted his post directly if you could have moishe.>20pbtyidd desperately trying to get the goy to stop noticing how badly jews are about to lose
>>537582880made out like a banditproud of you, anon
>>537582890We want EU to rely on our patents. Pretty obvious.
>>537547452Imagine believing this about a civilization older than the flag you're posting from
jews probably sold it and now pretend to be the copsASML CEO and director are all kikes (Christophe Fouquet and Marco Pieters)
>>537550274Can even keep a body of water open against some mountain dwellers
>>537552100There is no "western things" everything I have is made in china you're just coping.
Kike posts were brought to you by National Endowment of Democracy, Central Intelligence Agency.The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) is headed by Carl Gershman. In 1968, he worked inthe research department of B'nai B'rith, and in 1972 he served on the Governing Council of theAmerican Jewish Committee.Here is a list of projects NED funds:China (mainland):- Advancing Women’s Rights: $60,000- Assistance for Human Rights Defenders: $272,000(Probably money for an organization called Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) which has nostreet address, but two persons employed in Washington DC and one in Hong Kong,https://www.nchrd.org)- Building Advocacy Capacity and Empowering Civil Society to Protect Human Rights: $412,300- Capacity Building for Human Rights Defenders: $300,000(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))- Combating Censorship and Supporting Free Expression: China Digital Times, Inc. : $340,000(https://chinadigitaltimes.net. No street address is given, but it is: «Supported by the Berkeley Counter-Power Lab»)- Defending and Assisting Rights Defenders: $60,000(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))- Defending Journalists’ Rights: $65,000- Democratic China Electronic Journal, Democratic China, Inc.: $180,000(This is the same organization as the one late Liu Xiaobo and his wife Liu Xia’s had. For their NED-funding during the years 2005-2010, see: https://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2017/07/13/liu-xiaobo-rip-but-we-should-never-forget-the-14-million-yuan-from-ned/)- Empowering Environmental Rights Activists: $110,570- Empowering Workers: $75,000- Engaging Critical Analysis and Political Discourse: $140,000- Ensuring Free and Open Access to Online Information: $200,100- Humanitarian Assistance for Human Rights Defenders: $40,000(Probably also for Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD))- Monitoring Media Freedom, Freedom House: $85,000- Promoting Democratic Ideas and Values: $150,000
>>537583980- Promoting Democratic Values, Wei Jingsheng Foundation, Inc.: $68,100(Wei got in 1997 «National Endowment for Democracy Award». The foundation is based inWashington DC, http://weijingsheng.org)- Providing Information and Analysis on China’s Human Rights, China Change: $73,000(Washington DC, https://chinachange.org)- Raising Public Awareness of Civil Society Developments in China, Center for International PrivateEnterprise (CIPE): $215,643(Washington DC, https://www.cipe.org)- Religious Freedom, Rights Defense, and Rule of Law: $40,000- Strengthening Civil Society for Policy and Legal Accountability: $172,000- Strengthening Organizational and Advocacy Capacity for Community-Based Organizations: $110,000- Strengthening the Rule of Law to Protect Human Rights and Public Participation Rule of Law:$280,000- Strengthening Worker Rights and Representation: $90,000- Supporting and Empowering Human Rights Lawyers: $238,000(Probably China Human Rights Lawyers Concern Group in Hong Kong, http://www.chrlawyers.hk/en)- Supporting Civic Participation in Public Governance, Center for International Private Enterprise(CIPE): $234,160(Washington DC, https://www.cipe.org)- Supporting Free Expression and Open Debate, Princeton China Initiative: $40,000(Connected with Perry Link, http://www.princeton.edu/paw/archive_new/PAW04-05/08-0209/perspective.html)- Supporting Grassroots NGOs: $90,000- Supporting Labor Rights: $63,500- Sustaining Civil Society in a Repressive Operating Environment, International Republican Institute(IRI): $600,000(Washington DC, https://www.iri.org)-Worker Rights Awareness, Solidarity Center (SC): $335,650(Washington DC, https://www.solidaritycenter.org)Tibet:- A Symposium for Tibetan Intellectuals and Artists, Filming for Tibet: $60,000
>>537583896Even your dilator?
>>537583998(Switzerland, http://www.filmingfortibet.org)- Amplifying Voices from Tibet, The Tibet Relief Fund of the United Kingdom: $22,150(London, http://www.tibetrelieffund.co.uk)- Building Networks in Defense of Rights and the Environment, Students for a Free Tibet, Inc.: $40,000(New York, https://www.studentsforafreetibet.org)- Demton Khang, The Tibet Museum: $210,000(Dharamsala, India, http://tibetmuseum.org)- Empowering a New Generation of Tibetan Leaders, Rights Action Lab Inc.: $50,000(No address. But they write: Rights Action Lab is incorporated in the United States as a Not-for-ProfitOrganization, http://rightsactionlab.org)- Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy: $35,500(Dharamsala, http://tchrd.org)- International Advocacy for Human Rights in Tibet, Tibet Justice Center: $58,000(Oakland, CA, http://www.tibetjustice.org)- Promoting Conflict Resolution and Democratic Processes, Tibetan Centre for Conflict Resolution:$25,000(Dharamsala, http://www.tccr.org)- Strengthening International Support for Human Rights in Tibet, International Tibet Network:$110,000(San Francisco, CA, https://tibetnetwork.org)- Strengthening the Tibetan Movement, Campaigning and Leadership Training Students for a FreeTibet, Inc.: $50,000(New York, https://www.studentsforafreetibet.org)- Tibet Express Newspaper, Khawa Karpo Tibet Culture Centre: $35,000(Dharamsala, http://tibetexpress.net)- Tibet Times Newspaper, Tibetan Literacy Society: $43,000(Probably Dharamsala, http://tibettimes.net)- Tibetan Community Development Fund Inc.: $33,000(Washington DC, https://tibetoffice.org/tdcf-under-construction)- Voice of Tibet: Independent Shortwave Tibetan Radio: $34,700
>>537584031(Based in Norway, https://www.vot.org)Xinjiang:- Advocacy and Outreach for Uyghur Human Rights, Uyghur Human Rights Project: $310,000(Washington DC, https://uhrp.org)- Uyghur Human Rights Advocacy, World Uyghur Congress: $246,000(Munich, Germany, http://www.uyghurcongress.org/en)Hong Kong:- Expanding Worker Rights and Democracy, Solidarity Center (SC): $130,800(Washington DC, https://www.solidaritycenter.org)- Strengthening Democratic Institutions and Human Rights Protection: $105,000- Supporting Civic Engagement on Fundamental Rights, National Democratic Institute for InternationalAffairs (NDI): $300,000(Washington DC, https://www.ndi.org)
>>537556806They just refund you and you keep the item>Literally every purchase i had issues with from china.
