"Men would rather do X than go to therapy"ITT: Anyone actually tried the therapy meme?I did years ago. From my experience you talk to some woman who just regurgitates shit you already know. "If you feel sad just be happy".Discuss anything related to this. Why is it in such high demand and why do normies love it so much?
>>537580022Therapy is shit, do psychadelics and then get a life.
Idk helps me, but I've also said shit that got me called a woman here multiple times so maybe you cunts are just too closed off for it.
>>537580146>Idk helps meHow? Like what do they do that you can't already do in your own head?I've had far more success just talking to myself mentally.
>>537580022If therapy involved getting a footjob from a fairly attractive female then I'd consider it.
>>537580022I didThe therapist wasn’t experienced enough in life to help so I stopped after a bit
>>537580022its completely fucking meaningless for anyone who has any irl frens at alltalk to your buddies if you got problems. never pay some stupid whore (who prolly hates you) to pretend to listen to you
>>537580022Ive had many many Sessions, and many many 'therapists' and 'psychologists'.99.99% are all brain dead retarded stuck up midwits that do what they do because they want to identify with being a therapist, not to help others people , but to help themselves - this is what 99,99% doesnt understand and therefore is unable to truly help anyone , because they cannot even help themselves.Psychology is a symptom of a failing system where individuals can 'study' (repeat regurgitated garbage that other people already know) for years , debt based (based) , become wage slave and make money of other people s suffering. In a healthy tribe/country we would be our own psychologist or wed naturally help anyone in need because the tribe is healthy and intact (which ofcourse it isnt anymore , and hasnt been for a long, long time)Truly, the ted quote about shrinks and therapists being spineless, most confirming creatures - spot on .
Many of you guys need therapy
women like therapy because they dont have an internal monologue. it genuinely is novel for them to have someone else hear their thoughts and offer different perspectives. but men do have an internal monlogue so its useless for them. men already know anything a therapist is going to say.
>>537580022It's literally a friend simulator, I went "for the luls" to see if I was missing somethingThe shrink said>everyone is depressed and hates society
>>537580256>talk to your buddies if you got problemsWouldn't recommend this honestly. Gives normies the ick
>>537580022> be male> go to therapy> be diagnosed> be bared from employmentmany such cases
>>537580195Gives me a place to talk through my problems, listen to what they might say about it, and if they suggest something for me to try I seriously think about trying it.If a therapist says shit like "just be happy" like you said then they're piss poor at their jobs. Hell the counselor I had throughout college was a bro. The best thing they do is be just a person there who's willing to listen and engage and occassionally nudge you out of getting stuck in your own head on things.
>>537580260So what did you try instead?
>>537580311When I went many years ago I talked about insomnia. The shrink didn't understand and said I could "play on your phone until you fall asleep", and to eat a banana(?).I also said something about how I think others worry about how they appear (in character) but she got confused and thought I meant literal appearance like looking in a mirror.Not jokingNeedless to say I stopped. Although I returned one time again recently to try and get gibs and it was a bit more pleasant. I went all-business and said I wasn't interested in actually getting psychotherapy or whatever gay shit they do
>>537580222checkedand it would undoubtedly be much more helpful>>537580331im not talking about ""normies""". im talking about your best frens. if they wont listen, then youre certainly not gonna do any better talking to some stranger whore with a psych major. i cannot stress enough, these spinster types will purposefully try to make you worse, because that is whats in their economic interest: repeat customers.
>>537580443Uh yeah well you were talking to a woman, maybe psychoanalyze your female therapist and see they're morons
>>537580493I know, but I am saying this because I personally know normies have a high opinion of therapy. So like, do they witness the same things I did, and are like "woah this is helping"? It legit makes no sense. That's what I'm trying to frame here
>>537580386Understanding that nobody can fix me but myself and that ultimately i dont need to be fixed . My problems are my problems and im an adult now that can understand that i should not trouble people with my own shit. Aka i would never ever in my life go to a 'therapist' because what im doing is selling myself an image of going to a 'therapist' (person that would rather understand me then someone who isnt a therapist, but this turned out to be completely false) that is going to somehow help me just by talking. So i have to pay (alot of fucking money) just to talk to a midwit because I basically want to feel better. Now we live in a system where people feel better if they think they can label themselves, thats why everyone goes to a psychologist : ofcourse every individual is different and has different motives , but fundamentally people just want to hear that they are Okay, and that things will work out fine, and if not then you should listen and just BE with that person, no one ever has to study to do this , the study is life experience itself you see. And the 0,1% of actual intelligent therapists would confirm this
>>537580553Half of it is literally just saying your problems out loud in front of somebody else and then realizing you're retarded. The actual "treatments" are conditioning which you can do yourself. But yes there are female therapists with 80 iq and they will hand you a pamphlet and tell you that's all they got
>>537580616>Understanding that nobody can fix me but myself and that ultimately i dont need to be fixedDING DING DINGI'd say the best thing is to realize unfortunately nobody else actually gives a fuck about you. You have to look out for yourself. Exercise, meditate etc on your own terms to improve yourself, and stop giving a fuck. That would be my advice to other anons.Worst thing to do is externalize your problems (i.e thinking it's a tangible thing and getting treatment etc, self fulfilling prophecy)
>>537580022The problem with therapy is the majority of it isn't done for a reason>I am sadOkay, what the fuck makes you sad? Now go fix it.Rarely, if ever, does this shit happen.Therapy for things like addiction, etc, help. But the 'bro just therapy up' push by scammers is there solely to keep the scam going
>>537580458I don't know why they don't just do that more, maybe some already do and I don't know about it, it would be the perfect cover for both parties.I'm going to "therapy" and she's my "therapist".>>537580786Most depression is sadness caused by something in life and there are a lot of things to be sad about in current year.
>>537580842berry picking therapy
>>537580022I was made to go to therapy weekly as a kid. All they did was take my precious time and lament my existence... then my therapist ate herself to death.
>>537580332This, I'm not going to touch a therapist any fucking time. Being considered "healthy" in a mentally ill society is not a virtue or sign of good health.
i have no one in my life so i at least need someone i can talk to an hour every fortnight. most of my actual solutions to any problems came from just thinking about it, though. whether they pushed me in the right direction or it was just me is up to your discretion.
>>537580022Foucault said that 'therapy' is a government control and surveillance scheme designed to record and report everything you say.
>>537580722Yeah Aussie mate , keep it real !! The best in this jungle wasteland :)
>>537581120>the conspiratorial homoid thought if he told his shrink about his buttstuff he might get taken back to the slammer maybe he should have
>>537580919>Most depression is sadness caused by something in lifeNo, it's by being a fucking indoor retard who takes no care of himself.Bernarr MacFadden worked this shit over 100 years ago. Even before then the cure was basically 'stop being a useless cunt'I'm sorry if you are a useless cunt and depressed but get the fuck over it and start living life
someone post the chad meme with glowing eyes
Yes I see a shrink weekly because I have trauma and recurring dreams of being back in high school and walmart.
Yelled at an exgirlfriend after catching her cheat, neighbor called the cops and I got told go to therapy (a couples session and an individual one) or catch a domestic. Couples therapy(woman) was 80% the therapist trying to justify the cheating and how I shouldn’t loose my temper over it. The single therapist(man) wanted to know what made me angry and suggested breathing exercises to do when it happens.
>>537580260>they want to identify with being a therapistThis is also true of doctors, and in fact, nearly everyone in every medical profession, though, oddly enough, optometrists have been the exception in my experience.
>>537580022if you have some kind of court supervision over your life, dont need to commit a crime just need a baby to get a restraining order, you need a therapist to tell the court he a good goy he gwine college finna turn he life around. that is the actual purpose of therapy
>>537581287Dystopian as fuck
>>537581266>recurring dreams of being back in high school and walmart.Jesus, man, that's horrible. I'm so sorry for you.
>>537581247Therapy as a form of mental exercise and structure is useful as fuck. Properly done, it's part of a system to help things like addiction, actual proper mentally illnesses, etcBut you are right, it's primary used as a wMLM scheme in some countries and in others, it's just a glorified addiction bringer
>>537581317someone post the chad meme with glowing eyes
therapy is just gaslighting that individualizes systemic issues
>>537580022therapy solely exists for people without an internal monologue, since they need to talk through their issues instead of thinking through them
>>537580260hey toothpaste did you ever know anyone who ever had a spiritual advisor
>>537581426>500$ per hourI'm in the wrong business.
>>537581467someone post the chad meme with glowing eyes
>>537580369Chatbots do this now for free.
>>537581120yes, and you need that if you have court supervision over your life
>>537581501someone post the chad meme with glowing eyes
>>537580089/thread
>>537581501You like me! You really like me!
>>537581317>>500$ per hourIt's like $20 a session, insurancelet. >>537581395Its alright. Sucks because even in the dream I know that I shouldn't be there.
>>537580022I tried therapy.It danced around the core issue. There's more money in it that way.
>>537581375>>schlomo nosengoldtheyre all the same>>500$ per houremployer pays>>let me tell you, goyim, why your marriage failed, and you are actually gayyou need to listen politely, say stuff the court wants to hear, then you get a letter from your therapist to the court saying he a good goy
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>>537581624Your behavior borders on stalking.
>>537581693You're popped for cumulative nonsense. Order up.
>>537580022talk therapy is essentially guiding/tricking you into thinking logically about your problems and their causes, and how to go about finding solutions to them. it doesn't work on people who are already logical and solution-oriented, which is why it works for most women but very few men.
>>537580022I had problems with anxiety/paranoia. I'd have a bad day maybe 4 or 5 times a year. The shrink had me thinking "ok you're just anxious they aren't laughing at you. Youre just anxious they aren't talking about you. You're just retarded they won't sack you over it".Following her instructions gave me a 25% chance of having a bad day, every day. Focussing on the problem made the problem stay in my mind every day.
>>537581511Holy shit. That's me. I always wondered why I hated awards and congratulations.
>>537581331That's probably because of the opticians.I don't know about the situation in other countries but in my country you can be an optician working in a store, doing the tests and getting people prescription glasses with just a 3-week course.Because of that, a shitload of retards commit a shitload of mistakes.It's very common for people to walk away with the wrong prescription, or perhaps they got a prisma in the glass that the hospital explicitly ordered to not be there "but i thought it might help you sir", or they get the alignment wrong in the case of strabismus.Whenever your eyes have a résumé, in a manner of speaking, the opticians fuck it up.They have a bad rep because of it.Optometry is the legit specialism for which you need a medical degree.My optician is an optometrist who wasn't happy with the idiots making his wife's job harder (she is an optometrist too, working in hospital) through shit prescriptions so he set up his own shop.
>>537580022>you talk to some woman who just regurgitates shit you already knowYou couldn't find a male therapist?
>>537580331STOP MAKING FRIENDS WITH NORMIES YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARDS
>>537580022Therapy is a joke and you'd probably get better results from an AI chatbot. Bonus if it has sex with you afterward.
>>537581913Kind of hard since they are like 95%+ of the population
>>537580022What works is shadow integration and the willingness to become psychopathic, but it makes women uncomfortable Women are shit in roles like education or law that involve putting your client above society. They will default to repulsion at the idea of someone going outside the groupI will also add that in my experience male psychiatrists are smugnorant. One decided I couldn't have ADHD in one session because I had sat through a movie without leaving the theatre. >>537581511I've gotta be highly schizoid and it helps explain why other people take clearly horrible fake relationships over no relationship
there is good and bad therapyeven the actually useful stuff has its limits
>>537580022Therapy is stupid. They usually try to skirt blame onto other things when the problem is almost always yourself. Life's gonna suck and be shitty to you no matter what you do. You can't control anything outside of your own mind. Either you can burn under the weight of what pains you and contain it until it melts away or go ramble about it for years getting nowhere except bogged down by pills. Burning is extremely hard. Humans are energy beings however you cut it up so like electricity they follow the path of least resistance instinctively.
>Anyone actually tried the therapy meme?I was ordered to go by a veterans' court and ended up screwing the psychiatrist, who began stalking me once I broke it off. This happens a lot among vets going for PTSD treatment, kind of like those teachers who screw teenaged boys. I know like five other vets who've had some kind of military-related mental healthcare treatment, and every one balled a shrink, nurse, or social worker assigned to his treatment staff.She's second from right, but wasn't nearly so fat when I was balling her. I think the weight gain came from depression after I dumped her. She's unmarried and childless, and doesn't appear to have dated since. In truth, I kind of regret rejecting her. She was half a piece of ass 50 pounds ago and took a dick like a champ. If I had to guess, I was her first lay since college or maybe even high school despite the fact she was fairly pretty. I think she was autistic, actually.
>>537581913I've only met one based individual who isn't a onions consumer tier faggot who regurgitates the usual bullshit every faggot around me does. You have no idea how full of faggots society is. You must live in a rural town, which hey, more power to you.
>>537580331It reminds them that they've been ignoring and hiding their problems instead of manning up to solve them.That's also what most of the criticism is, when guys tell you "bro just be a man and move on" they're angry that you're actually trying to fix your shit, it makes them look bad.Manly masculine men of male disposition don't let a wound fester in the soul. They fix it.
>>537580022If you do what other people say, even if it's through therapy, and don't rawdog reality yourself to fall, struggle and learn, can you truly say you are your own man?Maybe that's exactly why women, whoprefer therapy when they go through trouble, are always so vain, while men who prefer to self reflect through their struggle are more genuine and true to themselves.
im lilerally doing everything i can to fix my shit. only eating raw food (normgroids think im insane when i chug a raw steak+egg+pineapple smoothie) to modified jungian autohypnosis to learning circus tricks. i went to therapy a few weeks ago and its some eggless roastie saying stupid shit. i think the problem is a lack of fun and doing what i wanted, lack of socialization. mid 30s and have over a million $ but this year started with a crisis and no clue what i want, im borderline so i suffer from anhedonia and crying spells and emotional pain. any of you faggots want to suggest anything?
>>537580022It's just you getting human contact with a person who isn't allowed to leave the conversation.It's as simple as that.
>>537580022Actual psychologists are gone anon. Freud and Jung where a thing of the past. They also didnt care about fixing 1 person they just studied the human mind. The whole psych doctor fixing you isnt real. Its just someone to talk to. You are paying someone to listen to you and not laugh at you or post it on social media to laugh at.
>>537582204>(normgroids think im insane when i chug a raw steak+egg+pineapple smoothie)we all think you're insane for that. it's disgusting and potentially harmful.
>>537582204>""""doing everything"""">its a bunch of schizoscience bullshit because anons online have psyopped you into thinking medication is evil
>>537580616This.Just wanna add the caveat that this shouldn't become an excuse to not fix your injuries, be them mental or physical.When people fucked you up, they still fucked you up even if the consequences are yours alone to bear.Also frenly reminder that the overwhelming majority of problems that you or I or other guys here have, aren't actually problems within us, but problems coming from the world and the people around us.The effect is ours to resolve, but the cause is theirs. They'll tell you it's the other way around so they can fuck you further.
>>537580146LolYou're not fooling anyone.
>>537582204Go travel around random thirdie places.If you are fat then nvm your fucked because your fat.
>>537581457I almost had one.He's a shroom tea enjoyer who makes music of some sort but not of any particular genre and really, really wants to help people.I recognised that as a call for being helped himself and didn't go through with it.It always happens man... you go to therapy and wind up being the one giving therapy to the therapist within 5 sessions because you're that far ahead of everyone.
>>537582341i put some raw honey in it and raw butter its not that bad once youve had it 100 times. raw chicken, lamb, fish, oysters. if you think thats insane i just had a golfball of fermented raw fish right before the smoothie. and its not really dangerous our stomach acid gets as low as 1.5, its more acidic than wild dogs. been doing this 6 months and physically fine>>537582348yes the toxic byproducts get stored in the appendix. im planning to live to 130 on this diet
>>537581768In a way, therapists provide the logic service that a husband otherwise would.Single women don't have one of those, and women in general have become so repugnant that most boyfriends don't want to do their thinking for them.
>>537580022I went to therapy for a few years. It was helpful in aiding me in getting out of a very difficult and psychologically-torturous situation. I never truly opened up, because there are certain issues I have that are so shameful I wouldn't admit them to anybody. But it did its job. I stopped going, because I couldn't afford it anymore and because the main reason I went to therapy for was resolved.
>>537581331In Slaughterhouse V, the main character is and optometrist, and was essentially the most pathetic dweeb Vonnegut could think of. I've worked as a paramedic and in a few ERs, and so many people as so fucking annoying with their egos. My partner and I got food one night and a waitress asked>Wow you guys are paramedics? What's it like to save a life?!And this tool put on a gravely voice and replied>Why don't I tell you what it's like to lose one instead?Optometrists probably don't fall into the ego trap because they know their specialty is dorky. It's not creepy like podiatry, it's not self righteous like emergency, they just chill and check vision.
I went for 6 years and it was totally worthless and of no help whatsoever and only made me worse.
therapy doesnt need to happen like that its a running joke about how people weaponize things and its also a fact men would rather build then introspect and its more effective outlet for most of them
>>537582348also, theres no medication cure for BPD it forms before the ego does and becomes apparent in adolescence. its possible to treat the symptoms with it but not the cause. and DBT sounds gay im not doing that gay shit. i have faith eating raw animal fat will heal my nervous system in time
>>537582057and you're 5th from the right we get it
>>537582204Get a dog and hug it frequently anon it was social connection enough for Diogenes it's good enough for mealso I've only eaten raw eggs but you've gone further beyond and are tenderizing fuckin meat with pineapple I'm too much of a pussy to try that but if it goes down alright doesn't make you sick keep doing whatever you want can't be worse than processed slop
Dr. K on youtube has some good takes. And specifically mentioned that therapy was built around women and is often biased in that direction. Also Ruari. In real life good luck finding a decent one, let alone affording it
>>537580022I've been seeing psychologists for most my adult life and honestly it's been ana lmost complete was of time and money (well fortunately the taxpayer footed most of that bill)I've achieved far more working through things on my own with the help of books. And recently I've been using Claude to work through issues and it's actually incredibly helpful, whereas most of the time talking to a psychologist about the same issue would achieve nothing
It's only a thing because so many people don't have someone to genuinely vent to.Not saying it's worth it. Feel like it was a waste of my time. But I was in a really really weird place when I went, and it helped me pull out of that I guess (or something else did, who knows).
>>537580022>Anyone actually tried the therapy meme?I did once, few years back the place I worked at offered some free sessions with a "therapist". It was a woman, go figure. I basically just told an abridged version of my backstory and how frustrated and jaded I am with the current state of the clown world and all its bullshit, without revealing my power level like a sperg or anything like that. I could immediately tell she felt uncomfortable. She gave me some of the generic psych advice like "try to focus on the things that make you happy anon" and told me about neuroplasticity. Surprisingly didn't try to prescribe me anything but I don't know if she was even able to but did try to convince me to come in for another session. I never went again. I'd rather just play some vidya than listen to some hack who only pretends to give a shit.
>>537580919>Most depression is sadness caused by something in life and there are a lot of things to be sad about in current year.No lol what many people who haven't experienced it don't realise is that depression is very different from sadness. It's despair and total loss of hope. It took me a while to appreciate the difference. There was a time during my long period of depression where I found myself feeling sad about something and I was like holy shit I'm actually feeling emotion and in a weird way it felt nice.
>>537582409>travelthats what im planning on doing sometime this year but im so brittle emotionally, i started this year crying ~5 times a day for a few months, and its near impossible to have a raw food diet in most countries. france and indonesia are only countries i know that are good for raw food.>dont go if fatim lean even by euro standards. ive been stuffing myself because its almost impossible to get fat on a raw food diet its so filling, took me 3 months to gain 15 lbs drinking 4 gallons of milk/week and liquid raw butter
>>537580022Therapy is for women. It doesn't actually do anything or solve any of your problems. Women just like it because they like to vent their stupid trivial problems like Chad didn't text them back and they want to have a listening ear. There's a reason why it's the most popular science major that women are drawn to, which it's not even a hard science funny enough
>>537580022The psychological sciences are so corrupt that they have become a danger to anybody who uses them. This is evidenced by the abuse of SSRIs which are chemical lobotomies and the promotion of trans hysteria which is resulting in the mutilation and sterilization of thousands of children. Not only should therapists be avoided, they should be considered a hostile force that wants to destroy your life.
The best thing a man can do for his mental health is read Marcus Aurelius.
>>537582727Emergency med is just so bad about the types. They're the retards to have bumper stickers with cadusas and shit like "His boots, her flops" while never actually putting those TCCC drills to the test.
With dead Internet humans pay for social interaction.
>>537580022the goal is management and not actual solutions and management requires rapport and a retarded midwitted women is perfect for other womenretarded men who also dont solve their problems use other mediums like stoicism and working out and all these relieve valves to create the illusion that they are very good boys while not solving anything fundamental because they are fundamentally useless eaters
>>537580022Therapy is very helpful if you get a good therapist. I went through 4 useless ones before I landed on a good one. The first one I had was genuinely terrible, just some roastie who obviously got into therapy because it seemed like an easy job. She literally couldn't understand any of my issues. But my current therapist is amazing.
>>537580022>ITT: Anyone actually tried the therapy I meme?I did. Didn't help my conditions at all but I evaded concription military service (eat this boomer trad cucks! Hehehe!) using diagnosis from therapist).
>>537582876theres no cure but it can be treated.
>>537582618Cant trust the help helperssimple as
>>537582673>women in general have become so repugnant that most boyfriends don't want to do their thinking for themits degrading and abusive for you to do her thinking for her. you just need to choke her while she licks your ass hole, thats your gender role
>>537582876why raw?
>>537580022I worked in psych for half a decade. Therapy conceptually, and as an activity aren't really bad ideas by themselves, but based on rng. You *need* a therapist you trust for it to really work, most people try one and give up. Much like how everyone you meet in life wont be your friens, not every therapist you meet will be "your" therapist ya know? Second that therapist needs to believe their own therapy works ( weird, but has been shown in statistical studies that this is the case). Finally avoid meds like the fucking plague unless youre like actually schizo, or so depressed you physically cannot get out of bed in a day. That shit unironically blitzlriegs your brain chemistry, isn't even meant for long term consumption (the "ideal" in psych is meds are prescribed while therapy deals with the underlying condition. Yes I know this is not the reality, because ziochiatrist are fucking demons who will prescribe anything for a drug company kickback).
>>537583570>just let your wife fuck gladiators bro lol why even get mad about it
>>537584701Meds are prescribed short term*
>>537584209the treatment is doing DBT roleplay with other fucked up people and learning CBT coping skills? what else is there?>>537584356because its our natural diet. no other animal cooks food besides brainwashed humans. our stomach acid indicates what our diet should be, plant eating chimps have a stomach acid of 6.5.
>>537580222If therapy involved getting kicked in the nuts (CBT) I'd do it.
>>537584918A personality can be changed with time (not psychopathy but thats an entirely separate ballpark). Don't give up anon, I know its hard, and the world probably doesn't service you with the tools you need. But psych is all about effort in-》out and as long as you care to try, things will get better.
I tried therapy years ago. In my opinion therapy is actually destructive and dangerous.
>>537580146Faggot
>>537580022Therapy is worthless if your therapist has no understanding of the modern world (99% of them.) You are just paying big bucks to have someone to talk to.
>>537581492About 40% of therapy success is determined by the interpersonal relationship with the therapist.Chatbots won't really be able to replace that, but they will become more widespread still
>>537580022>therapyNot sure about words, but i visited a psychiatrist after post uni burnout. Gave me funny pills for a year, told me to focus on singular things instead of trying to fix everything and the good ol "gotta take care of yourself". Reduced the funny pills after.Dunno, it's probably all pretty obvious from a third view, but helped me get back on track. As a man, don't visit a female doctor though. Same for the opposite. If you got a loose screw you don't need advice from someone who thinks fundamentally different.
>>537585138im open to trying anything, I was in a negative spiral which only makes things worse. never considered giving up though. do you have additional recommendations? even though I know its ultimately something I need to figure out for myself
>>537580022Went to 3 different people.First one was an old man, took one session to know he didn't take me seriously and wasn't gonna help.Second one was a middle aged man, 2 sessions later and I knew this shit wasn't gonna go nowhere.3rd was a hag, this time I went beyond half a year, still no results, I gave up, lesson learned theraphy is a scam, fix it yourself.
>>537580022Women have ben using therapy as replacement for friends for years now.It works but only if you have deep trauma like being a war vet your your creepy uncled raped you.Its only virtua signaling for normal people
Since we're on the subject, there must be some 'therapists' watching this thread. So here goes:As you grow older and collect more experiences, the chance you have a negative association with something increases. Simply because we are cursed with a survival brain that values bad times over happy times. Now, is there some mental exercise to get rid of a negative association?
>>537582204Honestly the the best thing I ever did for my mental health was farming and making art.
>>537581287>Couples therapy(woman) was 80% the therapist trying to justify the cheating and how I shouldn’t loose my temper over it. The single therapist(man) wanted to know what made me angry and suggested breathing exercises to do when it happens.the problem always has to be you. there is no alternative. they always say it's the way you are looking at it/interpreting it. it's literally "be happy instead of sad". they will also usually say some non sequitur like "you can only change yourself, you can't change others" as if that's what you're trying to do. also, you can change others, you just have to use "i statements", like "i disapprove of you cheating on me", and then people will magically change. but you can't change others. you can only change you. and you can't be your own therapist. the whole thing is based on jung and magick, you are literally supposed to change the order of the universe through thoughts. no joke. the exact same thing as "manifesting" or law of attraction.https://youtu.be/W_o9DOwY5LEjordan peterson is not only a psychologis, but was a professor at canada's top university, training others to do therapy. he also had a clinical practice at the same time. he used these techniques he taught on a daily basis. he would have been on the cutting edge of new treatments, etc.the interesting thing, is that they never helped him or his daughter in their problems with lifelong depression. the only thing that helped was a change in diet. so when you have a top practicioner, with a doctorate, that trains others, who has all of the latest news, and he can't do anything with it, maybe it's time to challenge the paradigm.https://youtu.be/nVyUe5BhWQchere he is talking about the essence of magick, but in oblique terms for the hylics. it's focussed concentration on a goal. this is why the therapist tells you straight to your face that the reason you are depressed is that you are thinking depressing thoughts.
>>537586111TripsA thing to keep in mind about DBT:It was invented by an individual suffering from BPD specifically for the treatment of it. Im aware you probably know this, but at the same time its the most readily available tool. I wouldnt trust the roastie therapist to do it, or any other type of therapy since you don't like/have rapport with them, but perhaps just be willing to try solutions with someone you trust. Second is obviously find someone you can trust and talk openly with. Third, other anon mentioned travel, and I think thatd be great for helping you get back to a normal headspace. Next, as the other anon pointed out there *are* psychiatric drugs if it is becoming unbearable (yes I know BPD can't be treated with drugs, but the symptoms can mitigated). Come with a plan for a max dose, and therapy goals. Then tapper off once therapy goals are met until youre not taking the drug anymore. Also perhaps set a "this is how long Im comfortable taking a drug" redline with your therapist and psychiatrist as well. Its youre treatment and you have a right to how its dictated. The last thing I can think of is never give up on, think less of, or feel hopeless about your direction anon. You're personal life is your business up to a point, and however you construct it should serve to make you more comfortable and capable to face the world. Youre gonna make it, I know it.
>>537580331Guarantee nothing about your life is all that different from the "normies" you want to talk down about. You were probably just trauma dumping on casual acquaintances like a woman.
>>537580256I think a lot of people these days suffer from a lack of intimate friends they can trust.
>>537587304>You were probably just trauma dumpingI'm too schizoid for that, but that is my point. The vast majority of people don't actually care about you even if you are their friend. Not in a deep way, I mean.
>>537580022Imagine telling men their whole lives that being sad, or otherwise showing overly strong emotions in general makes them a sissy faggot, then thrusting them into an environment where they are expected to show these emotions. God help them if they are with a female partner, and are made to feel like they are the problem by both the therapist and the partner when, surprise surprise, they lack the ability to express those emotions properly and are subsequently outgunned.And don't just blamed that shit on "the patriarchy", some of the worst offenders of behaviors that cause men to be emotionally closed off are women. Just try to tell a woman something traumatic or shameful about your life, and set a timer. See how long it takes for her to use it against you, even in the most casual of arguments.
>>537580022I think most therapists are bad, but I had a good experience. He said there was nothing wrong with me, except for some expectations that were incongruent with reality, but that’s from the modeled behavior I learned as a child. The ideas weren’t entirely wrong, per se, but a little skewed, like a funhouse mirror. He never once suggested meds, just taught me how the world actually worked. I was able to save up money, I started a business, I bought a house. I’m getting married later this year. And I attribute a lot of this to my experience in therapy. I think men should only see male therapists, at the very least, though. And most therapists are trash who push meds. But I wanted to provide an example of a good experience.
>>537580022Normies are such insufferable narcissist they have to pay someone to pretend to be interested in their ramblings.
>>537587957Glad it worked out anon!
>>537586446Jerk off while doing it, your brain will associate bad thing = feels good
>>537588412good idea
>>537580022A therapist is like a priest to an ungodly society and therapy is your confession. But there is no objective truth to be found. There's no forgiveness or morality. The only truth to be found is your pathetic emotions. The only path you go down is selfishness. Therapy is demonic.
>>537580022I went to a couple of them. Best one was a guy who constantly read about his field and wouldn't limit himself to any particular school of thought.In the end it's mostly bullshit and can only help you if you're in denial about something. Everything else is like you said, a variation of "just be yourself" or "why worry?"
>>537587068thanks for the effortpost, saved. i dont have many people to reach out to since i lashed out hard during my crisis but there might be some people. i need a new psych i havent been to one in almost a decade, at this point id be open to some medication though. i really cant think too much about my situation, i tend to ruminate and then my brain literally hurts i feel so bad especially in the morning. this will sound strange but in looking back at some situations ill either laugh at myself or be horrified at myself, i cant make up my mind on things. theres multiple personas in me and i cant even decide which one to be. ive always had this way of thinking since adolescence and knew i was different but didnt know what it was then.
>>537580022Going to therapy was the best decision of my life.I completely understand people that say "Everyone should go to one". I only talk about psychoanalytics. The people that react aggressively violent when told to go to therapy are those that need it the most.
Just sit down infront of a mirror and be honest with yourself for once in your life. Therapy is just a racket of confidence duoing sociopaths presenting formulaic advice to socially isolated, burned out people and terminally domesticated, terminally propagandized and competitively obedient debtcattle. It's industrialized learned helplessness - selling an unquantifiable product, a lifestyle whose purpose is but the perpetuation of the industry: make mistake; outsource agency, intro-and retrospection; receive absolution and prescription drugs for coin; advertise service to others; repeat.
>>537590861>duping*Bleh.
>>537582727>In Slaughterhouse V, the main character is and optometrist, and was essentially the most pathetic dweeb Vonnegut could think of.lol wasn't it based on vonnegut himself? like a mary sue? he was always talking about how uncoordinated he was, etc. >paramedicsin canada they are usually failed hockey players that still want the unearned admiration of others simply for occupying a social station. i had an oddball manlet "help" me for a medical emergency, who passive aggressively tried to harm me, then start snooping through my house, interrogating me like a drill sergeant about my houseplants, sticking his face directly in them, like an inch from the soil. "WHAT IS THIS? WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT IS THIS?!!!??!!" absolutely surreal. when recently i read that attacks on paramedics have seen a surge in my town, i thanked God for the help. fist pump material.
>>537580919>Most depression is sadness caused by something in lifeNo, it's usually just a poorly labeled warning light for an internal problem. You need to take better care of your body and your mind will follow>but I tried thatFor what? A week? You're not going to fix a lifetime of malnutrition and deferred maintenance with a week of vitamins and some jogging.
>>537582876have you noticed that all of your purported cures are highly dramatic in nature? keeping in line with being a cluster b, which is the dramatic cluster?the reason you have a personality disorder is because you inherited it. not because you didn't eat enough blubber.and saturated fat is shown to damage neurons, not fix them. https://www.jneurosci.org/content/39/19/3770>Research published in the Journal of Neuroscience and Neurology demonstrates that saturated fats impair mitochondrial function in nerve cells, leading to axonal loss and nerve damage. Conversely, studies suggest that monounsaturated fats (like olive oil) and polyunsaturated fats (like omega-3s from fish) are neuroprotective and may help reverse nerve dysfunction.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405650224000492>Obesity and the metabolic syndrome (MetS) are major global health challenges that contribute significantly to the rising prevalence of type 2 diabetes (T2D) and neuropathy. Neuropathy, a common and disabling complication of T2D, is characterized by progressive distal-to-proximal axonal degeneration, driven in part by mitochondrial dysfunction in both neurons and axons. Recent evidence points to the toxic effects of saturated fatty acids on peripheral nerve health, with studies demonstrating that these fats impair mitochondrial function and bioenergetics, leading to distal axonal loss. Conversely, monounsaturated fatty acids are found to be neuroprotective, restoring mitochondrial function and preventing neuropathy. These findings suggest that dietary factors play a crucial role in the pathogenesis of neuropathy associated with metabolic dysregulation and emphasize the need for lifestyle interventions and therapies that target these newly identified mechanisms.lol check out the author names>Nicoló Piccolo>Astrid Wiggers
>>537580022>picre>>537580089>Therapy is shit, do psychadelics and then get a life.This. Do this.
>>537589938Its a hard road for everyone, but we all try and its truly that which matters. You should try reaching out to the people you lashed out at and explain why. People are more forgiving and willing to be there if they understand what's going on, at least good people. The rest can fall away. And regret unto itself is proof that you're not inherently bad. You're you and thats okay. Do what you gotta do to be more comfortable and fill.
>>537583502>the promotion of trans hysteriawait till you find out about the heiros gamos and the divine androgyne>Hieros gamos (sacred marriage) is a universal religious symbol representing the union of masculine and feminine principles, often resulting in the creation or realization of the divine androgyne. This concept appears across various traditions, including ancient Greek, Gnostic, Alchemical, and Kabbalistic mysticism, where it signifies a transformative fusion of opposites. >In Alchemy and Gnosticism, the hieros gamos is the spiritual alchemy that resolves duality, producing the Hermetic Androgyne (or Rebis), often called the "Philosopher’s Stone" or "Two-in-One." This state represents the reconstitution of the original androgynous unity, where the separated male and female aspects of the soul are reintegrated into a single, complete spiritual entity. >In modern spiritual and Jungian contexts, the hieros gamos is viewed as an inner psychological and spiritual process. It involves the integration of the divine masculine and feminine within the individual, aiming for a transcendent experience that transcends gender polarity. This union is seen as a path to illumination, wholeness, and the realization of the inner Christos-Sophia or divine androgyne.
>>537592831>transSome cant handle it or it was forced and trans is physical manifest due to not "earning" it.
>>537580022Speak to an aged priest from a contemplative sect. He will enlighten you on the nature of man and therefore your own condition
>>537580022ehh it kind of helps but mine just started bringing my shit around to some variation of 'gender stereotypes' being problematic and causing my problems. Nope, I was just terrorized by a maniac and went through a lot of life and death shit before i was old enough to know what was happening. I might have to switch to a man.
>>537580195You pay to talk about your feelings to a fat retarded libtard woman? Has she suggested you troon out yet?
>>537582876its like 50 percent heritable, but there is usually a major trauma or series of traumas that brings it out. It makes normal relationships basically impossible because you 'split' people constantly and can't hold them in your mind as a grey area, its love or hate. fucking weird shit.
>>537585692>Chatbotsi prefer interacting with them for almost everything because they are reliable and less chaotic, but then you aren't really living in society, you're just an extension of the pedocracy skynet
>>537594292>You pay to talk about your feelingsa lot of people get it for free from their jobs you clown
>>537580022>Why is it in such high demand and why do normies love it so much?Because it's a socially acceptable way for lonely people to pay someone to act as a friend and listen to their bullshit.In the case of womyn, who cultivate weakness the way men cultivate strength, this "therapy" grift also works as social signalling for their mental health issues.They actually brag about that.
>>537594845I get it for free from my job too, I just dont want to make my coworkers listen to me blather about feelings. Its called being considerate of others.
My therapist compared me to the nazis because I said people that drive loud vehicles aren't human. I knew then that I am too based for this fake and gay world.
>>537580022Twice.First lady took me seriously but I couldn't afford to keep going.Second lady thought everything could be solved with a pill. Absolutely didn't take me seriously.
Most therapists are women which makes therapy worthless. The only useful advice you’re getting is from a man.
>>537580022no. it's made for and by women, just like HR and DEI.
>>537586743>artgood idea, ive been learning some music too>>537591968its supposedly heritable and environmental, no one really knows for sure. borderline is a basket case of all the clusters, depending on severity. its like all of them rolled into one>>537592630i have done that in a couple cases, not sure how much i want to share though. i was pretty nasty desu, was really deranged.>>537594514yes, i idealize someone as perfect then next time i see them one little thing or opinion later ill think theyre complete shit. no one likes that but im more aware of it now and being mindful of my splitting helps. it really does make normal relationships impossible
>>537580022Therapists are expensive. You can talk to a priest for free. Try telling them this, even the totally broke ones, and they look at you like you pissed on their shoes. For them it's about status not results.
>>537595807lol
>>537595880>I couldn't afford to keep going>thought everything could be solved with a pillYou can get a session every single week at your local church, anon. The priest will not charge you and will not try to push drugs on you.
>>537595880I wouldn't accept anything from pharma cultists
>>537580022Therapy is the gayest shit ever. Imagine paying money to reveal your weaknesses to some hole and expecting her to actually guide you to a positive outcome instead of doing what comes naturally to women and looking down on you for blabbing about your problems like a yenta.
>>537580022I don't talk to faggots and woke womenThe best therapy is /pol/
>>537580022Therapy for men is physical activity. Talking to a foid for 2 hours is a torture session
>>537580022>Why do men make their own decisions? Can't they just have a man tell them what to do?
>>537597328you moonwalk away from any woman "specialist"
>>537596957it's heritableand it's closer to psychopathy. you are generally very dangerous people that make a living playing victim. most cluster b's actually had pretty good upbringings without abuse, and it is more associated with permissive households than strict or abusive ones. parenting matters, but only to a point. it doesn't create bpd cases. the reason so many bpd people had their dads leave, is because their mom is bpd and is only attracted to other people with personality disorders, who are incapable of long term relationships. the single parent home existing in the first place is because of the bpd, not the bpd being caused by the single parent home. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AjhSKCFm6L8?feature=sharesame with abuse. abusive people tend to have abusive kids. look at australia, a nation of psychopaths. just like musical people have musical kids, dumb people have dumb kids, etc etc. and it's not really a mix. it's just that people with one cluster b disorder show a lot of comorbidity with other cluster b disorders. so generally pretty harmful, toxic people to have around.
>>537580022The therapist really doesn’t want to hear me say “I’m depressed because the global jewry are not being killed right now” Sad
>>537580022Therapy is the ultimate cuckold.
>>537597328The Sopranos and other jew media shit normalized talking to a foid about your problems
>>537580022Better than a prostitute. I talk about what I have been experiencing. I get constructive encouragement that means something. I am free to change the person at any time. It is fully covered by my insurance. I like mine now but it was never not fun making the shitty ones self conscious and rage. One quit after I told her psych meds were a voluntary lobotomy and noticed the bottle hanging out of her purse.
>>537581457I've this meme posted several times. Maybe one day I'll be smart enough to understand what it means.
>>537599167It's funnier without the last panel.
>>537597906interesting stuff, ive been reading about it a lot myself lately., do you have BPD/family member with it, or youre a dr/therapist? sometimes people do say im scary, which hurts when you share yourself. i never realized somethings wrong because i accepted it at least until i started analyzing my life being like a circle of the same crap. i still have faith in my diet and modified jungian meditation but what do you recommend for healing?
>>537580022I did court ordered therapy after I got drunk (as a minor), stole a friends car and had a one car accident about 10 years agoit was either that or juviewas about 6 weeks in totalmostly bullshit, but did learn some mental skills beyond anger and lashing out, mainly "count to 10 before doing anything" for trivial issues, asking myself "why am I angry and is it actually worth wasting time being angry over?"reduced my anger issues by about 50%, and overall haven't been in trouble with the law since
>>537580022While I'm here; I gave up on women after numerous convictions; sexual harassment, stalking, and false imprisonment, to name a few. I've realised now that I'm probably a faggot. I openly check out other men down my local gym. I also follow around much younger men, sometimes those that might be underage, but I'm not a paedophile. It's all come upon me so sudden. Am I just a fag? Am I adjusting? Or should I, and everyone else be worried?
>>537599167>jews stole and rebranded what ancient greeks figured out
My therapist was fucking useless, I was able to fix a lot of my problems by doing my own research, instead of ranting to some braindead cunt who has no advice for you because her life is just as fucked up as yours
>>537580022>womanI'm not sexist but I'll say this.Women DOMINATE that sector. Three quarters of MEN who attempt suicide have been through that sector multiple times.For some reason they won't differentiate between the gender of therapist in that study.
>>53758002280% of therapists are women, therapy is a ponzi scheme for women. Psychology itself has always been a soft science which allows faggots and retards to infect it with their stupidity. Go look up the replication crisis in science and see which fields are most effected. From my experience I can tell you couples therapy is NEVER worth it. I will end a relationship before going to see one of those cunts and get ambushed with kike faggotry. Therapists are basically just hookers for women, they pay someone to pretend to care and listen to them vent because theyre so annoying nobody in their life would do it voluntarily. If you look up the Paradox of Womens Happiness you'll see thag despite all the therapy, all the brain altering drugs, all the power of the pozzed gov working in their favor, all the propaganda on Earth....women are still less happy than ever. But they refuse to see why. Revoke the 19th.
I always get to the point with a therapist where we're working on my actual issue and I can't physically progress on my issue anymore. Like there is a wall there that I can't break down, and the few times i tried I always come back worse from the experience. I would unironically rather do literally anything else including some of those things in those "men would rather do x" memes. Life is too short, Id rather have fun being me than spend all day being depressed because I can't ever be normie.
>>537600995>I'm not sexist butAnon....you cant be serious
Unfortunately, finding a good therapist is a lot like dating. Most of them are dogshit and not worth your time. You're likely gonna have to go through a lot of shitty ones before finding someone competent. It's one of those professions that's filled with retards who peaked in highschool and thought it would be an easy job/major once their parents told them they had to go to college and do something white collar.I have a really good therapist, but it was only after going through a pile of turds. If you're actually interested and committed to finding one, be prepared to see a bunch only one or two times before finding a good one. Word of mouth recommendations also help. One of the best things to look out for to tell if the therapist is bad is if they seem more interested in your drama and are treating it like gossip hour, don't go back. A good therapist should be giving you tools to cope with whatever you're dealing with, not just listening to your problems for their own entertainment.
>>537601135imo, if you don't have a medical issue like bipolar, bpd, or serious addiction, then EMDR, somatic therapy, and other experiential modalities are the best type for men. especially for people with emotional blocks (the wall). talk therapy can only go so far, if it goes anywhere at all, and is best used after going through an experiential modality for integration. CBT only "works" on normies because they have not ever thought about anything (see >>537600427 who, before seeing a therapist, never thought about why they were angry). if you look for a therapist and they don't have some certification or listed experience in an experiential modality, they're dogshit 11/10 times.
I think i'm the ONLY human i know in real life that does not go to therapy and i'm perfectly fucking fine.People can't bear the smallest amount of pain and make a huge drama out of everything. They treat it like a label to brag about on life and social media. "ho i am X Y and Z look how unique and precious i am"
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It can be good, only if the therapist is good. A lot of them arent, and unfortunately either don't truly have the emotional intelligence to be a therapist, or aren't smart enough or have enough wisdom to help you.That said, there are actual brilliant therapist out there. Like it helps people for sure, thats why its still a thing.
>>537580260Thats retarded. Poor countries dont have nearly as much therapy and thinking that everybody should be able to just give themselves therapy is short sighted and silly. Of course getting an intelligent perspective from somebody who studies mental health and life philosophy can be helpful in some situations. You are right that a lot of them legitimately are midwits though.
>>537604681Honestly, ive heard it quite a few times where people say "im fine, I for sure do not need therapy" and they are obviously disfunctional and tramautized people. Like admitting it to themselves would wound their ego to an extent that they would lose all the sense of self they are holding onto.
>>537580022It's a scam They are charlatans and should unironically all tortured and killed Don't bother
>>537580022At it's maximum usefulness it's just secular confession, articulating your problems out loud is the part that allows for growth. Everything else therapy offers I'd hazard to guess negatively correlates with intelligence. If you aren't actively in a state of disfunction they can't suggest you do what you already are doing harder. All a therapist or behaviorist can do is try and lead a patient towards a correct state of being, but if your problem or hangup has merit they're going to draw a blank and sessions become being a bar friend for $300 an hour. If you have a stable place to live and means squared away they don't have anything to actually offer once it's established you're having like a baseline stress response to the inflation rate, something out of your direct control, and aren't planning to kill yourself over it.
>>537580022hookers, shrooms and gym/cardio were my therapy desu with you senpai
>pay a foid $300 to sit for an hour and listen to her yap about why you're wrong for not being a fronthole and that's your fault>other cuntoids consider this the solution to everything in life
>>537601091It's not a science at all, it's a gay jewish cult aimed at reducing White birthrates by telling men to be fags, women to be sluts, and kids to be trannies
>>537580089>do psychadelics and then get a life.I'm scared that I'll go completely insane during and/or after that, and I mean in the worst possible way (killing/maiming myself or some shit) even though I don't have those tendenciesTherapy and meds don't work btw, they either do nothing or make you into a permanently dissociated zombie who can't function normally
>>537580022I went to therapy for like 4 months just because the therapist was cute but then she tried to talk to me about some fucked up shit that happened when i was a kid. I got really defensive and started accusing her of being a whore and then she kicked me out. Never went back to see another therapist. Sometimes wonder if it'd have worked better if my therapist were an old fat dude or something.
>>537608959That's fear and weakness. Cast it aside. You're "insane" now. This will get you out of your head (if you do it around decent trusted people - admittedly difficult to find them - or solo in a spiritual place like the woods or an old historical site important to your culture)DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES do them alone in your room while browsing 4chan or otherwise gooning/doomscrollingGo touch grassNow
>>537580022Therapy was largely a waste of time. You're paying for someone to listen to you bitch.A lot of metal health problems are external (bad job, bad marriage, etc). If you aren't willing to change or fix them then nothing therapy does helps.Real change comes from within and if you don't make that change that's on you.
>>537581492I work with AI anon. They're too sycophantic to ever be helpeful. It'll just encourage dumb kids to neck themselves.
>>537600632I get that much, but the last part is confusing. It throws a bunch of stuff about Evangelical preachers being fans of Freud, misinterpreting stoicism, fatalism vs. freewill, and sovereign citizens. I don't even know what point of view the criticism is supposed to be coming from.
>>537608959I grew truffles myself meaning I could make the perfect set and setting for melemon tek 25 grams of dried truffles or 4 grams of typical fried mushies, get a sleep mask and put a 4 hour spotify playlist of the music that you love and gives you hope/listen to when no normies are aroundmusic, darkness and a comfy bed are all you need
>>537580022There's your issue, you need to talk to a male psychologist.Women do not have the experience to treat mens issues
I've been seeing a therapist and taking anti-depressants, and I've been feeling marginally better about myself(not completely). I don't feel overtly miserable and depressed as much as I used to.
>>537609366What if the music I love is like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLM7WkJgFPQ
>>537580022I was required to in order to return to college. It was ok but being forced to go made me resentful.
>>537610891you do you, metal sounds even more metal under shrooms
>>537602965>EMDR, somatic therapy, and other experiential modalities are the best type for menThanks anon, I'll check them out. I did try CBT when I was younger and it helped for stress management related to (ironically enough) overthinking shit, but I tried with like 3 therapists and couldnt get anywhere on my core issue. I shall try your suggestion as soon as I can.
i went to therapy things got weird after she asked me>do you think we could become friends?and i asked her>do you think you would listen to my problems without getting paid?then she said i was clinically depressed and needed brain medicinesi stopped going after that
>>537580022Therapy is a cheap replacement for real friendship. Men can't be friendly anymore though because it's "gay", but is it any surprise that the progressives pushing that line are also the ones pushing for more therapy?
>>537580022I just got fired after one week. I have little money left… god being autistic is a worse fate than death
>>537580022>Anyone actually tried the therapy meme?Yes.It was a waste of time until I actually found a man who was a psychologist, not some undergrad faggot with a piece of paper saying he could help people.Overall, getting right with Jesus and praying often works FAR better.Study the Word if you want an answer to your prayer.TTB.org
>>537580022if you have some way of seeing a therapist on the cheap then it’s a good thing. problem is when you are paying $500/hr for a jew psychiatrist who overbooks and will fall asleep while you’re talking.
