Is it a good or bad sign that alt-left politics is catching on? No matter the platform, even on 4chan, most people are anti-establishment and not in the "taxation is theft" way. People are quick to defend China, make illiberal and anti-capitalist statements, demand greater centralization ("Mr. Gov, please build housing, trains, and kneecap billionaires"), and most topically, in NY, vote for self-avowed socialists.Was Fukuyama right about nothing ever happening anymore, or are we approaching a world-historic crossroads? Will we be taking the Hitler path, the Stalin path, something in the middle, or something entirely new?
>>537890237Good, these people are one step from National Socialism and unlike the retarded Jew loving leftoids they can be talked to. See something like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vItU05J3vIE
>>537890237Something entirely new. The world is almost ready for the 4th position and our new way forward, just keep an eye out
>>5378905354th position?
>>537890237departure from this status quo can only be good unless you're one of the parasites who benefits from it. No one can predict with certainty what will replace it or whether this who AI/surveillance regime will bolster it and have that boot stamping on a human face forever.
>>537890237Overwhelmingly a good thing.
>>537890662individual sovereigntynatural law you fucking commie retardno old fags post here anymore this place is garbage. you are a retarded vaxxed up newfag kid
That’s not catching on. All these labels are just various versions of the one and the same shitlib. They only call themselves different things to make themselves feel superior.
>>537890459One step towards national socialism from regular socialism, I guess. I've heard some of their talks and their racial analysis begins and ends at being ok with racist jokes, which makes them better than most lefties, but still bound for failure. All "multi-ethnic" empires in history were multi-ethnic in that they absorbed their neighbors which they had been in economic, racial, and cultural contact with for thousands of years. While broad, there was still a sense of nationhood. This doesn't exist in America. Basically half of our population are brownoids from all over the world who subscribe to the "America is an idea" notion, and the second the idea (using the rest of the world to fuel an infinite money printer) starts to crack, these people will scatter.>>537891107I thought you had some fringe new ideology. Why call the standard of the past centuries a "4th position"? And of course, what's your cope for that standard failing to reproduce itself over the past few decades?
>>537890662>>537891107BUCCEES SHALL RISE AGAIN INSHALLAHABSOLUTE FREE SPEECHTAXATION IS THEFTBAN DEGENERATES FROM OUR PRIVATE PROPERTYRECREATIONAL NUKES ARE THE RIGHT OF ALL BEAVERS
>>537890237>even on 4chan, most people are anti-establishmentlmao, fucking newfag
>>537890237No.Read Homage to Catalonia, 1984, and Animal Farm by George Orwell. >Pseudointellectual middle class pampered faggots want power>they appeal to the sensibilities of the working class to get them to invoke "change" that will abolish the system of exploitation created by Capitalism>they IMMEDIATELY seat themselves in those very same positions of power, now with total state control>masses suffer greatly because Socialism (Communism as the system imagined by Marx/others can and has only existed on very, very small scales) creates market inefficiencies>everyone but the elites become basically slavesIf someone is a proponent of Leftism, in the current year, they are historically and economically illiterate. That's not me defending capitalism, either. I hate leftists because they're morally bankrupt hypocrites that know how to manipulate. They draw upon the most downtrodden of society to add to their numbers. They can't fight unless they get a 10 to 1 advantage and even then they routinely get their shit pushed in and have to hide behind the police.
>>537891617>nuking is now legal: worldwideWould be an interesting development.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2LcyJiVtS3g&pp=0gcJCUELAYcqIYzv
The ACP is literally nothing but retarded grifters and brown nerds
>>537890237Good. It's forcing the right to finally take these psycho faggots seriously. They mean business and want us all dead. Fabians get the rope.
>>537891664Obviously we never act on it, but you must be gaslighting to claim anons don't fantasize about thrashing every other facet of the status quo.
More like the agp party
>>537891664Ah, I see the problem now. I used "even" in the op to emphasize the leftist parts, not the anti-establishment current in general.
>>537890237It’s a good thing. The alt right completely failed and turned into israel first
>>537890237It’s not catching on and it’s not “alt-left” marxist dogshit has taken over western leftist political ideology it just varies from group to group.
>>537891673Oh yeah, I forgot:>Once this middle class group of pseudointellectuals gets their hands on power, they start becoming tyrannical to enforce their system>people are left wondering about the revolution and want to know when they'll have the economic prosperity the elites promised>those people are systematically culled
Tell me when they are in favor of mass deportations and then actually fucking shut the fuck carry it out.
>>537891673This, it’s why they had to pivot so hard to culture. Most people don’t give a fuck about class since it’s not some inherent thing that an individual is stuck with.
>>537890237Nothing good about what happening, even if it is inevitable. It's the same cycle as exactly 100 years ago. People tired of useless officials and self-serving, nepotistic politicians so they drift into radical extremes that culminated in natsoc and communist ideologies and a massive rift going through societies that eventually ended in a massive war.In the same way, you now see people drifting off into far-right nationalist mindsets of retarded green neo-communist noncense. But in the end, nobody wins except the usual suspects.What we unironically need is divine intervention and the annihilation of human systems of rule.True theocracy hasn't been tried out yet.
>>537892067They never will, they just try to shift blame saying that they are totally not the ones responsible but at the same time never say that illegals should be kicked the fuck out.
>>537891152>>537892002>It's not catching onYou can say it's all spurred by Chinese propaganda, but denying it does not reflect reality.
>>537890237everyone is more and more anti-establishment because things are going to hell. i don't know if I'd say that's a good sign.
>>537892300It does reflect reality because this shit isn’t actually getting traction. It’s most just useful idiots awakening to kikery and thinking that it’s just israel. But ignoring pretty much everything else like how they all serve the same fucking serpent.
>>537891700>WE LOVE CASTING NUKEShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHPx-nPcMJk
United States is a much different country than China is. China is 90%+ Han Chinese with minority groups being mostly other East Asian people that have been in contact with China for hundreds, if not thousands of years already. United States on the other hand is split between aging White population, hordes of Mestizos, a lot of Negros, and worst of all, Hindus. China is also ruled by ethnic Chinese. USA on the other hand is ruled by Jews and their Christian enablers. Trying to copy and paste the Chinese system won't work because the conditions in United States are very different.
>>537891928Got em
>>537890237Fuck no. I’m sick of hearing people bitching about “muh billionaires.” I don’t even care about whether they’re making good points about taxes or shitty places to work or whatever — this talking point sucks balls. It’s a symptom of the lack of confidence in one’s own abilities that often accompanies left politics. That said, even though ACP types ought to be committed to the idea that capitalism is fundamentally exploitative, you rarely hear them make the “muh billionaires” point in the same way socdems do. This is because ACP types don’t want to seem part of the libtard masses. It’s cosmetic more than logical, because ultimately they’re committed to the same point. >inb4 Dengism
>>537890237Francis Fukuyama was completely wrong, and the fact that you are seeing this ideological shift across every corner of the internet—from New York ballot boxes to the deepest recesses of 4chan—is the ultimate proof that the 'End of History' was just a brief, fiat-funded daydream.We are absolutely approaching a world-historic crossroads. The sudden rise of this 'alt-left,' illiberal, anti-capitalist sentiment isn't a good or a bad sign in an abstract moral sense; it is a predictable, material reflex to the terminal collapse of late-stage capitalism. When a system runs out of real physical economic growth, prints trillions in unbacked debt, and leaves its infrastructure to rot while billionaires hoard the surplus, the population naturally wakes up to the fact that the 'free market' is a rigged casino.But the most critical part of your question is which path we take. The establishment wants you to believe our only options are 20th-century historical reruns—the top-down tyranny of the Stalin path, the corporate-protecting fascism of the Hitler path, or some mushy, bureaucratic social-democratic compromise. >what path do we take?A bureaucratic top down model cannot survive without falling a victim to stagnation. Utilizing cybernetics and cryptography, we can elect representatives using Zero knowledge cryptography. We would have to set up digital infrastructure for workers councils anonymously; while workers organize at the micro level revolutionary systems architects and software engineers setup a shadow instance of micro AI loop on secure, decentralized server clusters. With this top down apparatus the shadow ai will quietly ingest and mirror the real time logistics, energy consumption, and supply chain data of the entire American infrastructure. It tracks the movement of freight trains, the output of oil pipelines, and the inventory of microchip plants.The ai would map the country’s infrastructure in a measure of thermodynamic units
>>537890237The point of the bottom up works as a representation of economic equilibrium with the top down hybrid system. pure top down models can’t accurately measure the supply and demand of workers; which is why a bottom up model with local workplace and geographic councils vote on safety, labor time and community allocation priorities, while complimenting the top down cybernetics apparatus; coming to a common cooperation of strategic resource quotas.
>>537893189I don't think my thread is lazy enough to warrant this
>>537890237Because we legally abolish all intellectual property, corporate patents, and private insurance, massive sectors of the old economy vanish overnight. We no longer need millions of corporate lawyers, compliance officers, insurance adjusters, marketing executives, or high-frequency Wall Street day traders.Millions of workers are instantly freed from performing economically useless "bullshit jobs" designed purely to guard corporate monopolies. The remaining necessary labor pool expands dramatically, allowing the actual physical tasks of society to be distributed across a much larger population.When distributed across the entire population via the secure P2P mesh-network apps, the average mandatory labor requirement drops to roughly 4 to 6 hours per week, not per day in a post scarcity sino-Soviet bloc where technology firms are integrated and we launch an asset backed currency based on the petawatt to move away from the petrodollar without causing Saudi Arabian oil shock.
>>537893582>The remaining necessary labor poolAnd who decides what is considered “necessary labor” who dictates who does what? Is it the worker? Does he get to choose what he does for a living? Or is it some faggot academic who has never actually worked any job that didn’t require typing away at a computer for 8 hours a day?
>>537890459All the socialism they can summon in the world is worthless if they're determined to be an enemy of everything that is white.
>>537893489You think your thread isn't lazy? The laziness isn't in your typing speed; it's in your intellectual refusal to see that the material infrastructure for this historic crossroad is already being built while you argue. You are treating the transition away from late-stage capitalism like a purely academic debate about ideas, completely blind to the underground engineering required to actually execute it.
>>537890237Good. There is a singular issue making modern first world society shit and it's that rich faggots seek to replace us and keep our wages low so shareholders are happy and asset prices keep going up.The solution requires both a radical pro-worker push, and a radical anti-immigration push. We've only had the later so far and it doesn't work, so I say we try the former and THEN pivot to the later.
>>537893745So you want to kick out all the illegals which they use as scab labor?
>>537893642You are asking the most critical question, and your hatred of the 'academic typing on a computer' class is 100% correct. If a room full of soft-handed university professors or state bureaucrats got to dictate your job, it would just be the Soviet Union all over again—a stagnant nightmare where elite managers tell you what to do while they sit in comfortable offices. Our model would fundamentally destroy that entire managerial class. Neither the AI nor an academic dictates who does what. The worker has complete freedom of labor choice because the system tracks labor availability as a mathematical variable, not an executive command.
>>537890237settle the fuck down nothing has changed.https://www.bitchute.com/video/on2Q8FmOKGe8
>>537893815>Our model would fundamentally destroy that entire managerial class. Neither the AI nor an academic dictates who does whatBullshit, marxism is the realm of retarded academics. The working class don’t give a fuck because they’re either ignorant or it or consider it retarded. >The worker has complete freedom of labor choice because the system tracks labor availability as a mathematical variable, not an executive commandWhich itself will be designed by some pencil necked soi chugging retard who has never so much as pushed a lawnmower. Not falling for the dishonest sales pitch here.
Only the most brainwashed people are against socialism, pretend that the USA and Israel are good, claim that China is evil, and defend capitalists, billionaires, and nepobabies. You don't even know what socialism is and are simply trapped in an echo chamber that serves the interests of the American empire, capitalists, billionaires, and the colonialist state of Israel.Maybe this is why the USA has millions of homeless people and millions without healthcare, while China, despite having a much larger population, has eliminated extreme poverty, and many people there have seen their living standards improve. Meanwhile, the USA works to undermine China in order to preserve its own global dominance and support Israel. China does not want war; it wants to negotiate and trade with the world, while the USA imposes tariffs on other countries and works to keep parts of the world poor to benefit its own empire. The USA relies on wars to exploit other countries, intimidate them, impose tariffs, weaken their economies, and turn them into vassal states and seeks to preserve the U.S. dollar as the world's primary reserve currency.North Korea does not have homeless people, but the USA does with right wing capitalist democrats and far right capitalist republicans. Homelessness is also relatively rare in China.The children are not working in factories, and your life is not worse because of socialist influence since capitalist wanted the people as slaves and having only food to survive to be their slaves. The USA is the capitalist country with millions of homeless people and millions without healthcare, not China.The USA is the country that imposes tariffs, wages wars, bombs other countries, and pursues military interventions for the benefit of the American empire and colonialist expansionist terrorist of Israel.
>>537892067>Asking Lefties to give up their unlimited source of dumb, gullible, needy, anti-white peoplekek
>>537894077You might be right about the academic bourgeois “Marxists” towards academic sales pitches. Every time some soft-handed intellectual with a clipboard turns up promising a working-class utopia, it ends with a massive state bureaucracy, a new managerial elite, and the actual worker getting squeezed just as hard as before. But you are misidentifying who is actually building this system. You think this is an academic theory written in a university lecture hall? It’s not. The 'pencil-necked, onions-chugging retards' you are talking about are the ones currently running the legacy corporate state. They are the HR directors, the corporate lawyers, the McKinsey consultants, and the Silicon Valley executives who use proprietary software to monitor your every keystroke and break your union. They are the ones who have never pushed a lawnmower, yet they dictate your entire life.
>>537894077But your comments don’t actually apply to actual workers who would be building the arrays and networks from within and breaching logistics.
>>537894428>actual workers who would be building the arrays and networks from within and breaching logisticsYou’re ignoring the part about the system because you know that no working class person is going to actually create and designate anything within it because they have actual work to do and not sit in some office designated who is more equal than the other workers or who gets put out to pasture.
>>537891152CommunismSocial DemocracyMarxismBolshevikAre all the many forms of Judaism.
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