I already know he is wrong, how he's wrong, and why he's wrong. But I want as much additional information about how/why he is wrong as possible.See pics related.Also, he is:>Hispanic.>Family to illegals; may or may not be illegal.>DoorDash deliverer for 4+ years now.>Lives in car.>34+ years old.>Has never had a "real job", as far as I know, other than by working for dad in carpentry during high school, whereby he was fired for calling in sick at least once a week.Despite all of this, I love him, and want to save him. He is actually very smart and perceptive, but, in my opinion, lazy.As you can see, he blames Zionists, but is a staunch socialist. If you are reading this, buddy, we are trying to save you.Anons?
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>>Hispanic.>>Family to illegals; may or may not be illegal.>>DoorDash deliverer for 4+ years now.>>Lives in car.>>34+ years old.>>Has never had a "real job"Why are you even communicating with this subhuman? Why do you think you have anything to gain from refuting him? He is one of tens of millions of the exact same type of person trying to lash out because he has nothing and is jealous of those who do. Literally just ignore them.
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>>538714924Because I have known him since childhood, he is legitimately smart, and I want to save him. We are only reconnecting after years of living apart and he is immediately bulldozing this shit onto me. I agree with you, though. If I didn't know him, I wouldn't care. But this weekend, I will at least try to salvage him.>>5387149988/?
>>538714571>i want to deport you>pls, no...>4CHAN HOW DO I CONVINCE HIM TO SEE MY SIDE
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>captialism is when the government does stuffwhy would anyone bother arguing with a retarded brown
>>538715250This was one of the first aspects he brought up, funny enough. Pic related.10/?
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>>5387145711) He's not even writing coherent sentences 2) I don't care3) Niether should you
>>538714571>who would be glad if i got deported Brown
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>>538714695>>538714753eh, your friend might be lazy and naive, but he's sort of right that you are arguing in bad faith. you can't really think "just move to a socialist country" is an actual argument, or be seriously unaware of how much the US has fucked with socialist countries. whether or not you think socialism is a good thing, you're being silly here. anyway, the reality is the capitalism vs socialism debate doesn't really matter unless the core issue of inequality is addressed, and that's corruption. capitalist and socialist systems are both susceptible to corruption. neither system is perfect, they both have merits and flaws. but neither will function as it should as long as corruption is allowed to reign unchecked. and that's where we're at.
Why didn't you just immediately respond with pic related?
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>>538714571>Doesn't support ICEKill this spic
>>538714571Why are you friends with this brownoid?If you're actually right wing then you want him deported.If you don't want him deported then you aren't right wing.Which is it faggot?
>>538715725Corruption being a euphamism for Jews in your explanation, one would assume.
>>538715725No, I agree somewhat, and see your point. But in his barrage of words, I asked a very simple question, which is why he doesn't move to a country with an economic model to his liking. Namely, a Hispanic country that is also socialist and doing well. With my point being that there isn't one, and those that do exist, are comprised of white populations, more often than not with an abundance of natural resources. I was emphasizing that there are no Hispanic socialist countries that are not like Africa.>>53871576315/?
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>>538715155ngl he doesn’t text like he’s legitimately smart
>>538715725Telling him to move to a socialist country is not a bad faith argument. Capitalists are told that if they don't like taxes to leave, and many of them do. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. The part about the US being the biggest market is the funniest part. Why is it assumed that you should have access to a country's market no matter what?He could easily move to Venezuela or Cuba, since those countries will just accept refugees.
>>538715512You can't save him, he's ideologically captured and his positions aren't rooted in reality or logic. You should definitely fuck with his brain though and tell him that China isn't socialist its fascist at a minimum if not outright national socialist because of its prioritization of the interests of Han Chinese.Modern China, with its industrialists given free reign so long as they heel to the interests of the State, is far closer to what you would have found in pre-rubbleized Germany and Italy than what you would find at any point in Cuba or even the Social Union which flirted with "state capitalismunder Lenin's NEP (new economic policy.)"Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato" (Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state). -Mussolini
Your friend thinks that he and his socialist friends are magically going to be the ones calling the shots when a communist government steps into power. Spoiler, they won't be
>>538716308I know.>>538716313Correct and based, also see here: >>538716012>>538716318Based 4D chess.>>53871628319/?
>>538716347Good point.>>53871643920/?
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>>538714571high immigration is inherently anti-worker, pro-capitalist and therefore anti-socialist. Tell him he is a useful tool of the capitalist class nothing more.
>>538714571>>538714629He’s a pseud. It does not take many words to speak the truth.
>>538716283Tell that motherfucker to write a goddamn book and stop spamming you
He is open to "listening to" personalities, which, in my opinion, is low IQ, as you should be able to observe and conclude things by yourself. Does anyone suggest a personality?>>538716609Based and this was one of my points to discuss. However, he will tout all the benefits of immigrants "working" and all that typical stuff, while ignoring the ills.>>53871656522/?
>>538716439There is no real argument to be had. Either he believes in principles or he doesn't. There are so many socialist countries that could use his valuable labor that it is counter revolutionary to not work with them.
No one cares about your lover’s tiff with your boyfriend
You're retarded and he's smart
>>538714571This guy is 90 iq with a thesaurus. Even if you like him, you'd be doing a service to your country and people by reporting him to ICE.
>>538714571no.the time for talk is over.get power. then talk.
>>53871679523/23.Done. Can anything or anyone save this man?He also believes, at least during prior discussions years ago, that African Americans and illegal immigrants don't commit more crimes than whites per capita and also aren't tax drains. So I suppose it's a terminal case, but the question is: how do you fight the pseudo intellectual who uses and repeats big words in order to sound smart? Particularly with the complexity of Socialism v. Capitalism, which may be just a cover.Maybe you don't.
Texting when you could be sitting down and discussing in person is woman-coded behavior and both of you are retarded faggots. If you both were intelligent and open minded, you wouldn't be writing novels to each other that neither will take seriously. Hope this helps!
>>538715155If he's a socialist he's not smart, but you think he is which means you must be a retard as well. Not gonna help.
>>538717004You just spam the Venezuelan or Cuban immigration site and tell him to follow his principles.At the end of the day, he isn't going to be convinced of anything because he believes that his labor is worth more than he gets paid and he is a lazy faggot. Just move to an ML country or shut up.
>>538714571verbal firehosenot answering any fundamentalssocialists get garbage collected, they don't innovate they just whine
>>538716910>I hate that the government favors billionaire elites over the poor and working class>Let's give every, single ounce of power available in this country to the government Absolutely stunning logic
>>538717033We live far away and this is largely just him rambling non-stop. Other than that, I typically implement the "wait a week and then respond only with: nah, lol" Chad response. I understand and appreciate your perception, though.Pic related, the "lol, nah" responder.
>>538716795Well he is just wrong, what are the benefits for the already existing proletariat? The value of their labor shrinks significantly, while all the things they can buy with said labor increase in price, since more people need them and not everything can keep pace. See housing cost, see endless lines at doctors/hospitals. At the same time the working class are the once that get to interact most with these new scab workers, which means they are the number one victims of their crimes, as the hostile capitalist state does in the best case nothing or in the worst case, victimizes the victims even more while gaslighting them. Fuck him honestly, tell him to never call himself socialist ever again. He's a jew slave, a capitalist slave and his walls of text are all just copes about it. He is evil, he is the enemy.
>>538714571WTF is a Hispanic?You mean Mexican correct?Unless your friend is some imaginary blond Argie.
>>538716168>manufacturers REFUSE to sell ME goods that I WANT at a price I DETERMINEkek
>>538714571You should purge toxic, retarded, and negative people from your life. In the amount of time that nigger spent writing a manifesto at you with his thumbs he could have been doing something to improve himself or his situation.I promise you, associating with that type of person will only be a detriment to your life.
>>538717219Based >>538717269Top kek, all socialists sound like this.>>538717382Yes, absolutely true. It's sad to see that after years apart, many people have turned into this.
i like owning things. who would want the government (also will be those same billionaires retards bitch about) to own everything?
>>538717178No argument
>>538717759Do you agree with OP's friend?
Socialism works in high trust societies that have good income to subsidize the programs like Saudi Arabia. High trust societies only exist with ethnically homogeneous nations. when a spic like your friend is introduced it prevents trust by him being different. Yes it's racist, but true.I sympathize with Gen z because idk how any of you are getting by. We have more job openings than seekers yet no one gets hired that applies. The entire system has turned into fraud to perpetuate shareholder demand and it isn't sustainable. That said your friend is retarded, does he expect these people to be forced to sell their controlling shares in a company until they no longer have any stake left? Does he want to actually fix things or just be a bigger fuckup? If you want to solve the problem, pass a law to deny loans on assets exceeding X value and to deny paying executives in shares. End birthright citizenship, no explanation is needed here. The next biggest problem is Ford v dodge brothers that forces companies nottto do what's best for the employee or customer but the shareholders. The left infested institutions with stakeholder capitalism, it made shit worse by covertly forcing DEI, preventing the most knowledgeable people (yes, white men) from advancing and even being hired. The same thing has to happen but with citizen interests instead of faggy ideologies to fix Ford v dodge. Yes the market will fall but it will recover and we will live better for it.
>>538717586His argument is that corporations and the rich, not government, control such things. His argument is that there needs to be more regulation from government. Duh.
>>538714571Socialism is literally slavery. There are minor annoyances in free societies, but that's life. Socialists use agitprop, or agitation propaganda, to magnify every day problems into something more than they really are, in order to convince the naive masses to sign away their freedom to government slave masters, who 'promise' to be fair and equitable, but as we know, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and slave masters need not keep any of their promises to their new slaves.
>>538718070What are the minor annoyance examples, and how would you fix them with a capitalist system and capitalist solutions?
>>538714571People hate socialism but love their social pension..TOTAL CAPITALISM = buy up everything so the rest of the world become your slaves forever more..If I invent something that everyone wants and make so much money that I buy up everything then make the masses my slaves then I pass that money onto my kids then they make your kids slaves..SOCIALISM would mean I can say you are only allowed to buy 2 homes in your own country so everyone else can have the chance to own one and plus the future kids will never ever get the chance to own a home if all the homes and land is bought up by corrupt politicians who stole the land to sell to their corrupt mates..SOCIALISM means you give the future kids a chance to thrive because you want to SOCIALISE the future so someone doesn't own it all which means YOU become the SLAVE..
>>538717964>If you want to solve the problem, pass a law to deny loans on assets exceeding X value and to deny paying executives in shares.Elaborate.>The next biggest problem is Ford v dodge brothers that forces companies nottto do what's best for the employee or customer but the shareholders.But isn't that regulation and socialism? Do you actually believe that if corporations are left to their own devices, they will prioritize anything other than shareholders and profits? (Nevermind the Ford v. Dodge decision being technically done by the government.)
>>538718275Lmao
>>538714571report him to ICE
>>538717576Conservaturds and lolbertariand when someone isn't guzzling billionaires Epstein PEDOFILE cocks:
>>538718275The whole idea of a POLITICIAN is to BALANCE the power of CAPITALISM and SOCIALISM together so you get a good mix of the 2..Taking to much taxes for SOCIALIST things like SPACE X THE MONEY COMES FROM THE PUBLIC'S PURSE CALLED A PUBLIC CONTRACT how ELON got RICH..If any money comes from the PUBLIC'S PURSE this is called SOCIALISM because the money come from the public,,the public have to pay the money back in the form of DEBT..If someone is a real CAPITALIST they would sell their products in a shop where the public have the choice to buy it or NOT and no money would be handed over from the GOVERNMENT which is the PUBLIC MONEY..See many don't know what CAPITALISM or SOCIALISM even means..The RICH are getting BILLIONS in SOCIALISM per person most of the public get a few hundred dollars per person..TAKE THE UK ROYALS,,BIGGEST SOCIALIST BEGGARS EVER YET THEY CALL THE LITTLE BEGGAR SOCIALIST BAD PEOPLE..If socialism is good for the UK ROYALS and TRUMP who took TRILLIONS OF SOCIALISM MONEY from the FAKE PANDEMIC then fed his businesses with all the LOOT then SOCIALISM IS GOOD FOR US TO.
>>538718731>>538718275Holy based, are you OP's friend?
>>538717964Muh high Trust societiesStfu moron pigUssr and china have 100 ethnic groupsRacism exists only in capitalism and is prerequisite of exploitative practices. You would sell your own mother if she was black for 1 gold coin under CAPITALISM.
Muh 4chan enlightened don't trad on me.stfu brainwashed kiddies. Read a book and stop watch asmonbaldDemocracy now , profesor Richard Wolf, varoufakis, etc
>>538714571Report him to ICE. Debate over.
>>538715155Your friend is hopelessly retarded. I've found that south Americans especially are passionately deluded about socialism. Give it up and enjoy your friendship. You're not going to change him. Love him for what he is or walk away.
>>538714571I ain’t reading that shit nigga
>>538714571So, he's socialist because they are the least likely to deport him from a capitalist country?
>>538714571socialism is objectively better than capitalism, from a nationalist perspective
>>538715725You faggots always blame problems on America. That just makes you sound weak.
>>538714571TRUMP and his kids got so much SOCIALISM from the FAKE PANDEMIC that they are buying ISLANDS in ALBANIA now with all the LOOT..Shame you never look at the BIGGEST SOCIALIST,,TRUMP AND HIS KIDS..Oh and the ROYAL FAMILY..
>>538719125Are you a bot?
Every socialist I’ve ever met is a waste of space and provides no value to society so they want the state to take care of them after their parents get sick of their shit and kick them out
>>538715252redpill him on Bolshevism being 90% jewish. If he's following ryan dawson he's on the right track. Ultimately capitalism and socialism are failed systems, both jewish in origin. He's falling into a false dichotomy thinking jews won't play socialism like a fiddle as they do with capitalism. Your friend is on the right path though, but it will be made or broken with the jewish question, some people are extremely hesitant to address the reality of jewish supremacism and subversion/nepotism and will end up permanently stuck in the hamster wheel of partisan politics, blaming all the problems on some ephemeral class of people they can never identify or name. In my experience communist intellectuals are like hyper prone to this, they will always deny secret societies and elites ultimately following jewish laws/occultism/blackmail and just perpetually blame 'the system' and 'the capitalists' etc. I think even if you leave him alone he will probably figure it out unless he is just so moral obsessed he refuses to go hard on the kikes.
>>538714571If he's an illegal or you know the location of his illegal family report them it's your civic duty.
>>538714571He sounds miserable, like he's the leftoid equivalent of DA J00S for us, its very simple to know these things and just not care enough to write long screeds on why things are bad, its like trying to explain how a diesel engine works to a foid in hopes of making her a diesel mechanic. Not to mention he's retarded, disillusioned, and spiteful. Socialism is literally just rebranded capitalism, immigration is a perfect example of that but I'm sure you're awareI've tried to explain to people I know/meet that there's nuance to everything in life and these systems are so deeply rooted that there's really no point in wasting your life trying to figure them out because you're just spinning your wheels. There are clubs popping off in Tel Aviv and Tehran right now as we speak. Its not pointless but its also not worth basing your whole personality and worldview crying about it either.
>>538714571Well he's right not to support us because we really do want him deported, but that's where his logic starts to fall apart, if he thinks America makes socialist countries suck what position does he think he'll be in when American becomes his version of socialism? He's like the gay useful idiot uber driver that gets a "thank you" shot in the back for fighting the good fight for socialism, but you're a brown retard and this socialism isn't for him. Does he think if we did socialism, it would be for him and his illegal friends? I'd just tell him to be careful what he's wishes for especially if he isnt white, him being illegal and Mexican with illegal family members already puts him in his utopia with free shit and free housing
>>538720084They also imagine it like some worldwide peaceful socialism where we all get things relatively similar lol, as if he's never spent even 10 minutes in his head about his own ideas
>>538714571Call ICE on his illegal ass tard
>>538714571>may or may not be illegal.Report him.
>>538720293Shit is so complex people hire one, two, a dozen, a hundred, etc other people to handle SPECIFIC things and (not to sound like a boomer, but) these kids think they've got it all figured out. Like bro you are a puppet of crony capitalism you claim to hated and you're retarded for not taking advantage of this. He could be working an email job making six figures and live his romanticized life but he'd rather seethe instead
>>538714571Capitalism needs responsibility that stops immorality
