I am convinced the continued eating of meat (when not necessary) and the lack of desire to limit, as much as possible, animal suffering is a moral emergency. I eat so much meat but I know I'll be looked at as a moral monster 100 years from now. I guess I know how Thomas Jefferson felt, bad habits are hard to break. If there is one thing I do in my life that will make future generations call me evil it is my inability to change my diet to a vegan one. >b..but b12Supplements exist. That's the point. Given that it is now possible to live without harming animals, you should.>b...but nativesTo the extent you are able to. Anyway, indigenous hunters probably have a lower animal suffering footprint than vegans in a western country. I would call them vegan if they limit to the largest extent possible animal suffering even if they eat meat.
>>543850605Why dont you move back to buttrat and worship your blue Smurf rapist gods over there sukdeep?
>>543850605I look forward to the civil war where we're going to be doing that to everyone who isn't white
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>>543850605Did you ever read "the omnivores dilemma"? It's good. Tl;dr - eating meat is fine but factory farms are evil
>>543850605Recognizing that there is a problem is the first step, and you're not alone OP.I've been vegetarian for 15 years (30 now). You don't have to be a hippy or whiny PETA bitch to be vegetarian/vegan and given the availability of food in the modern day, you can easily and affordably have a meat-free diet. You can 100% get all the necessary nutrients and complete proteins from non-meat sources. Don't buy into the gymcel/carnivore-diet propoganda. Examples of complete proteins:Rice and BeansEggsQuinoaPumpkin seedsChia seeds (great in protein with peanut butter and banana)Fish (It's meat, but they're brains are basically prehistoric still and afaik not capable of suffering the way other vertebrates experience it).Killing a pig is tantamount to killing a dog, if not worse. Anyone who objects is a city slicker that's never sat out in the pasture and shared a beer with a farm hog. They love that shit.
I dont give a shit about morals.Kill yourself faggot.
>>543851611>Fish (It's meat, but they're brains are basically prehistoric still and afaik not capable of suffering the way other vertebrates experience it).Cool. I can be be vegetarian just fine but I need dat fish. It's too good.
>>543850605>Supplements existAnd yet Nature didn't make supplements.Nature made MEAT, you insufferably pompous twat.
>>543850605animal abuse/killing/eating is a sickness that must be eradicated
>>543850605I am 100% happy to stop factory farmingBut we need to find a way to deal with 2 billion plus starving people
>>543850605poopjeetsilence yourself and eat your slave kibble, your betters will eat what they want.
>>543850605Nature doesnt care abiut your man made morals
>>543855361Okay so when you going to go rape people and eat shit? WE are humans. WE have morals. Are you okay with raping and torturing a dog?
>>543855400The problem isn't morals, its your morals specifically which suck as they are based on anti-human principles.
>>543850605Even if we don't eat meat, killing animals is necessary for maintaining the ecosystem.Say we ban eating pork alone, release all the pigs into the wild.Pigs eat EVERYTHING and destroy forests.That means they would have to be culled.So we would still be killing them but not eating them. We have to kill animals to maintain our ecosystem, may as well eat them
>>543850605Animals eat animals. That's nature. Nothing to be a ashamed of. Those hogs would eat us alive given the chance, so fuck 'em.
>>543850605Nothing wants to be eaten.Not even plants.You eating plants is just you making moral justifications for survival which is fine I guess but you're just as guilty of killing the living as meat eaters.>but they dont feel painPain is simply a negative reaction to a stimulusPlants also experience and display negative reactions to certain stimulai.The arguements normally made about lack of a central nervous system are essentially just bias against living beings that are sufficiently different from yourself, which would be like someone saying they only eat fish, or that they will only not eat mammals.
>>543850605Animals are not people. If you were smaller than them they wouldn't hesitate to eat you alive. If you have a problem with animals getting eaten, you have a problem with the foundation of nature and evolution. Sharks have been around for hundreds of millions of years, human for thousands of years. Sharks and every other creature perfected by nature has no inkling in their development of becoming more "moral", nevermind becoming vegan.You want humans to live like they live in some utopian fantasy world when it's actually dog-eat-dog. Make the world this utopian fantasy land first before you demand utopian fantasy land lifestyle from people.
>>543855680I dont think you can blame any creature for ensuring its own survival by eating other lifeforms.Ultimately none of us created this situation. But you have to admit that its fucked up that something must die every single day so that something can live another day.1 day = more dead.Everyday.
>>543850605Ur a faggot.
Yeah, this is why catholic "fasting days" are mainly about not eating meat and why prior to the flood, humans were eating vegan. Consuming the flesh of animals is demonic and a sign of demonic times of offering sacrifices to yourself and worshipping the ego and it's carnal desires. Eating meat is the same thing as sexual liberation and abortion.
>>543855191Dw, they already have a plan for that. >>543855496There wouldn't be anywhere near that many animals if we didn't breed them to slaughter them.
>>543851611There's nothing wrong with eating dogs or horses either. They're dumb animals, even the "smart" ones. Who gives a fuck about their lives. Morally we should make their deaths as painless as possible I agree but ultimately they would fuck and eat you without a second thought if they could
>>543856274brown hands typed this post
>>543856213>Eating animals is demonic>animals eat animals>therefore animals are demonic>therefore eating animals is eating demons.None of us created this situation where eating living beings to survive is the rules of our universe.You shouldnt feel guilty for eating, but you should feel remorse for the one who allowed you to survive another day.
>>543856336you should learn to speak better english, especially with that flag
>>543856336Animals didn't eat each other before that either. That was the curse put upon all living beings. We're all in this together but humans are the only ones that have enough consciences and self restraint to not just automatically succumb to our carnal instincts. Animals have that too to some degree, look at how dogs can live peacefully with cats as pets or how cats can be friendly with hamsters and pet birds etc. under the right circumstances, even some higher developed animals can overcome their instinctual conditioning.
>>543856452This is 4chan, I'll type however I like.Deal with it.
>>543851283Yeah the factory farming of sentient beings is rough. I stopped eating poultry many years ago and only eat eggs bought from a farm where I have personally seen that the chickens are free range.
>>543856512A curse is a fine way to put it.If I could survive by eating nothing I would, alas its not possible.I also value the lives of plants however and understand that even non animals eat other living beings.Demcomposers like fungai for example. Even plant life is not free of this curse.
>>543850605>I am convinced the continued eating of meat (when not necessary) and the lack of desire to limit, as much as possible, animal suffering is a moral emergency. I eat so much meat but I know I'll be looked at as a moral monster 100 years from now.Thank you anon. I want you to ignore all the retards in this thread and those who surround you because you are right in your conviction and you should nurture it and plant seeds in people's hearts.I understand that meat carries more and higher quality nutrients and so on, but it doesn't change the fact that we devour the flesh of a living being as evolved and capable of love and cognition as a cat or a dog if not more.That said, i'm not a radical. I understand that it's impractical to ask people to stop eating meat altogether, but for the sake of all that is good in this world, please, can't you at least give those poor beings a semblant of a decent life before slaughtering them? Because that's not makes me feel horrible.It's the 8th circle of inferno we make them go through during their existence. Living with sun deprivation in a shitstain pod where they can barely move, forcing them to overeat, injecting them with drugs and hormonal boosters and so on. If we could at least make sure that what's on our plates didn't experience hell and more stressors than any human could bear, it would be a great start.
>>543850605morality comes from human's needs to cooperate and is reciprocal in nature.since animals cannot reciprocate and agree with me, they cannot exist within the moral realm.therefore i am allowed to do whatever i want with animals, no limits. if you extend your empathy is animals, you are basically women who can only work of feelings and emotions rather than logic, and should be ignored.
>>543855256I don't know why you fools keep posting this as if they are eating it. This is a cardamom auction house and each lot of cardamom pods is tossed into the bowl so it can be inspected before they bid on it.Oh but why am I wasting my time? You dumb fucks don't even know what cardamom is.
>>543851283Yes. Ideally we should move away from close proximity mass farming. It's good to have some respect for the very thing you put in your body.
>>543856239Have you not researched how many bison there were before European settlement?Or have you not researched how many kangaroos there are in Australia?Have a look into how many wild pigs there are in the world.
>>543850605>I am convinced the continued eating of meat (when not necessary)so not applicable to humans in real life, got it
>>543856611>Even plant life is not free of this curse.No, it was cursed first to be consumed when God gave everything green and that bears fruits to the animals and humans to eat. But God can absolutely sustain all life without anyone having to give their life for it as he has proven with the manna in exodus and with people like St. Mary of Egypt.
>>543850605There's nothing wrong with eating meat. The problem lies in greed to maximize profit at any cost. I'm all for giving them better lives before they end up in my BLT.
>>543856745Yes, I know that. But nature is a highly balanced ecosystem. Without tampering with it, it would regulate itself. And yes, sometimes "regulating itself" means some species die out because they get too big and destroy their own natural habitat. That's what humans are doing at the moment.
>>543856529Your post doesn't make fucking sense though, Ranjeet.>I'll be as retarded as I like hurr durrGood luck with that kek
>>543850605stop eating meat and follow your consciencemore for meshut the fuck up otherwise
Our resident PETA liaison officer made another thread.
>>543856766Both curses are applicable to every being today. You can argue that one curse came before the other but as of now plants do consume other living beings too.And humans are also cursed to be consumed as of now too, as you will be decomposed after death.
>>543850605>>543851611Hello totally human and not bot anons. Your posting style stands out, you know, not to mention that you are pushing the elite's agenda.
>>543856825If you can't comprehend the text on screen thats your own fault.Cope however you want.
>>543850605No factory farmed meat. Animal cruelty is below the White Man
>>543856997Yeah factory farming is horrific and should be banned.
>>543856904Correct. But the wonderful thing about curses is that you can break them if you ask God to break it for you on a daily basis. You can actually live from the bread of his word alone if you have enough faith. >Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.>"I am the bread of life," Jesus declared. "Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty." >The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you - they are full of the Spirit and life.">When your words came, I ate them; they were my joy and my heartโs delight.>Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation.I think the bible is trying to tell us that we can be freed from this prison that is relying on physical sustenance to keep us alive but it requires extraordinary faith and closeness to God to pull that off. But there is a way out of the curse. It's probably no coincidence that part of the punishment for being cast out of Eden was that now humans had to worry about how to feed themselves and toil and sweat for sustenance on a daily basis. If you think about it, all the evils in this world come from this curse of having to rely on the abundance and safety of having food to eat for everyone on a daily basis. All the greed and selfishness humans exhibit flows from that fear of not being able to feed yourself and your loved ones tomorrow.
>>543850605Then stop being a faggot and actually be vegan. It's not fucking hard if you remember your fucking victims when you are at the grocery store. Your victims don't need your excuses. www.VeganEdge.org
>>543856972No it's not, it means you're retarded. What a childish reply.>no u r dumb if u can't read my tard languageThat's not how it works but ok nigger. I'll humor you. Humans have a conscience. Animals do not. Despite that, humans are the only species that do grotesque atrocious things like factory farming, which you didn't consider at all in your highly ethical boomer post, you esteemed philosopher, kek
>>543850605I think it would be better to replace animals with baby niggers for meatlove me some roasted niglet
>>543850605kill yourself kike vegan cultist.dogshit bot thread
>>543851611Killing and eating animals is fine, treating them like in OPs image is notwould be easy to ban industrial factory farming and such practices but not possible in today's degenerate societies
>>543855602Fruit?
>>543850605>Supplements exist. That's the point. Given that it is now possible to live without harming animals, you should.Currently I've been diagnosed with low B12, which has led to fatigue and brain fog. This is due to being practically vegan three weeks in 4 due to being unemployed.Fuck you with your moralistic bullshit. Being a cunting vegan makes you FUCKING ILL and the supplements I've just started taking to get me BACK TO A NORMAL PLACE are prescribed by my doctor. There's nothing natural about veganism. It wasn't even fucking possilble until the invention of refrigeration and the jet engine to get a decent enough variety of foodstuffs into your mouth to make a vegan diet viable, and even then it clearly doesn't work because you end up needing bloody supplements. Fuck youJust Fuck You you fucking moronic imbecilic holier than thou cuntwomble.
>>543850605Nobody can even afford eating a bunch of meat. Shut your privileged mouth you FAGGOT.
>>543857190I fast fairly often, but unfortunately its always temporary.If I could survive by eating nothing I would. Maybe God will grant me that ability one day.>>543857232I think factory farming should be banned.You're overly hostile for no reason, but I dont care if you want to act mad over nothing, thats your problem to deal with.
Humans are a plague to the planet and ever since the agricultural revolution, we've been manipulating nature to our own benefit/detriment. An ideal society is one that doesn't exceed past 1 billion, is interconnected on a global basis, and has the capacity to regulate consumption on a need based level. I'd like to think we could reach a level where society and technology becomes so advanced and sophisticated that we don't treat animals in the capacity that we currently do, the problem is there are too many mouths to feed and now the practice of slaughtering animals by the billions is unavoidable. The alternative would be us killing 10% of the animals we already kill for their resources. Would that be unethical? Perhaps. Would it eliminate more suffering? Definitely.
>>543857302It won't ever be possible as long as earth is this overpopulated. It was possible to have somewhat ethical meat consumption when humans were only about 500 millions or under. After that the demand simply became too high to be considerate of the creature being slaughtered and infinitely so after mest consumtion became a daily or even multiple times a day occurrence for many. There's a reason it was called a sunday roast. The reason was that humans used to eat meat once a week as a feast and an occasion.
>>543856680Prob cos it's a disgusting mess?show us a jap or European equivalent that is like this
>>543850605Buddy, take a look around you. Look at the world you reside in. The morning chorus is just birds telling eachother to fuck off. The very weeds beneath your feet are locked in a battle that has gone on since time forgot. We live in flesh vessels that are calibrated to consume eachother. It is in our very nature. We live in a finite world. Yes, you are a monster. So is everything else on this forsaken plane of existence. If you want to be in optimal health, you need to consume at least some flesh. Those animals would have either not existed or had died a much more horrid death without you consuming them. That is the realityThis doesn't mean you should throw morality out the window. First, recognise the situation we find ourselves in. Then realise that it couldn't be any other way. Then, be the monster you are supposed to be, but practice compassion and empathy where you can. Don't be cruel for cruelty's sake and avoid it if it is easy to do soThat's it. Those animals are going to get ate one way or another. They wouldn't even exist without us. The best you can do for them is give them a good (even if short) life before they are consumed
>>543857443This nigga is based. Exactly.
>>543857443Yes, promarily because politicians push never ending growth
>>543850605>B12, heme iron, niacin, taurine, carnosine, retinol, vitamin D, cholesterol And so on and so on. The idea that you can live a healthy life eating exclusively plants is ridiculous.
>>543857423>Maybe God will grant me that ability one day.Having that as your goal is already half way there. You probably won't ever be able to just not eat, that's how it will be again in heaven where we will never be hungry or thirsty, but every inch closer to being able to keep going with as little as possible is already a huge win.
>>543851611>>543850605Shills for modernist/degenerate ideologies like veganism always point to factory farming's only solution being to eat inappropriate and inhumane diets like plantslop. It's revealing how they never even mention natural pastured farming, which gives animals a much better quality of life than in the wild, regenerates the environment, and provides the highest quality food for humans. This is how you know they are ideological zealots and evil people.
>>543857423Don't act like a boomer when you don't want people to be hostile towards you. Don't act like you're some kind of beacon of morality when animals eating animals is the same for you as organized mass slaughter by humans
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>>543857493Yeah, it's truly dystopian. >>543857487I'm glad to know there's others that understand this.
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