Is it true that Christians will never accept you as a freind, coworker or anything else unless you convert and if they act nice to you its only beacuse they think they will convert you and will turn on you if they every find out that u never will?I got to deal with them as of recently never felt so weird being treated nice. Maybe its just in my head. I have no problem just lying to them and say I converted if it will avoid any headaches..
not really, no, though i could see this being true form some niche groups like JWs
Im mot just saying this to be an edge lord. At first it thought wow what nice people but shit keeps slipping through the cracks in our convos and disagreeing with them on anything is causing weird reactions.I already pray to god, I belive in ejesu but just dont pray to him as I see no need. They dont like that i pray to god directly. They keep saying jesus is god. I dont still dont understand why its wrong to pray to god directly based off that. Do they simply want me to call god jesus. Do they know what they are even talking about?
>>544286169I guess its in my headIm talling about hardcore chrsiroans though. Not casual Catholics. Like people who go to church regularly and have abortion is murder stickers on their cars
Then they'll start pop quizzing you on scripture to make sure you're the real deal. New testament only Nobody gives a shit about the old testament except for leviticus 20 13!
>>544286332I hapoened to be reading through the Bible right now beacuse im an omnist. Just finished king's. I probsbly will know more than them by the end of tthe year. They chinped out when I said i will read the apocrytha lolAlso cant I just say jesus appeared to me in a dream and my depression went away or something
>>544286471How drunk are you?
>>544286543I just type fast and dont use spellcheck . What will change about my life if I spellcheck my 4chan posts? Are you goys withholding some esoteric knowledge from the trogs who dont use spellcheck?
>>544286605>Are you goys withholding some esoteric knowledge from the trogs who dont use spellcheck?Absolutely, yes.
>>544286647Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeit
Nah we'll just be a bit bummed out because you're sending yourself to the eternal flames. It's not a huge deal though.>>544286217Why the dislike for Jesus Christ? He spoke truth to power and got killed for it.Anyway I'm a primitive Christian, I don't believe in sectarianism and think that if you accept the Creed, which dates back to the earliest Christian times, you're in. Apostolic succession has been shown to be a manmade concept, sure it was great back then but these days even those gay tik-tok preachers who hate Jesus technically received apostolic succession. One of my discarded toenails is more Christian than they are, ipso facto QED.
>>544286471>They chinped out when I said i will read the apocrytha lolWho is they? You gotta read Enoch or else Genesis doesn't make nearly enough sense. Early Church Fathers and Doctors took it as scripture, for some reason it was heavily suppressed and only resurfaced in the 1800s in Ethiopia. God preserves His Word.
>>544286089the whole point of being a christian is to get people to convert to Jesus Christ and talking to them as frens is one way to make that connection
>>544286089Wrong they don't care
>>544286756I didnt say I dislike him, I just dont pray to him. I have very good results of praying to directly to god and had horrible things happened beyond ur imagination the fee times I tried praying to jesus. Even if nothing bad happened why cant I call god god and have to call him jesus? I dont even pray in a human language, I just put my soul out there for the enteral creator who is god of gods(as it says in deutpronomy)
>>544286089no people just dont like you because your terrible to be around
>>544286830Protestants and Catholics >>544286831Ye but what happens when they find out if will not convert?
>>544286884Thats would be very good, I guess its in my head when they tell me im a demon worshiper..>>544286895Genuinely cant argue with that but I dont really give a fuck about people
>>544286089No. Actual Christians want people to know the truth for your own sake. The truth can't be forced on people.
>>544286831Most Christians throughtout history didnt befreind people to get them to convert
>>544286967Im asking what happens in terms of how they treat me if I say I dont beleive in the truth?
Depends on the type of Christian. I definitely view any White man who doesn't believe as a potential convert, but I'm not a normal Christian and am more of Deist with Christian beliefs and I have a logical argument for God. For darkies I just want them out of my country. If they want to spread Christianity in their homeland then they can, but they destroy peace in society here in White nations and interfere with the works of government and all other institutions. Kikes are flat out an enemy unless they are like Brother Nathanael and swear to not have kids or they overtly help Whites
>>544286831Many people minister on 4chan not because they are ordained, necessarily, but because this is the den of whores and sinners and Jews where the Christian is most needed.>>544286893>I just dont pray to him.Why not? Perhaps the oldest and simplest Christian prayer is the Jesus prayer, where you just say or even think "Jesus."It's not about calling God Jesus either. They are separate in their way, though the same. Jesus existed from the beginning of creation, along with the mysterious Holy Ghost and the Father, all one. Later on Jesus Christ came in the form of a human being and the Jews (and Romans) killed him.>>544286924>Protestants and CatholicsNah you can't always believe what people claim to be. Christians are curious and not too dogmatic outside certain things. You can tell a lot about somebody by how they react to different viewpoints and say, new information such as Enoch and the DSS. Are they too dogmatic and abrasive? Or curious?I for one think Enoch is scripture because the Fathers took it to be. Later on there was a lot of editing, and even though it was scriptural to even the early Fathers, later on it was suppressed but that doesn't mean there was some regular debate on the issue. They just secretly tore it out and burned it. Why?Christians will be curious about this even if they don't accept it as scriptural personally.>>544287042Why do you care? Who is they, anonymous shills on 4chan who probably farm izzat or jizzat by guiding you down the wrong track?>>544287014Absolutely false though, most conversion was done my itenarant apostles and desciples, only later were Christians killing people and this was for political gain, such as when the Pope sent Catholic knights thorough Europe, even though many of the people they converted in those early days were indeed already Christian, just not Roman Catholic.Christians simply don't convert by the sword. That's political bullshit dressed up as Christian crusades.
>>544286893>he treats God like his personal genie in a lamp Yeah, that checks out.
>>544287104Thats not what I was trying to askHypothetically, if u knew i would NEVER convert, would u treat me different if we were coworkwr or freinds? I know yall always say "dont worry, hell come to you eventually". Okay fine. He will and ill convert. But HYPOTHETICALLY, what would u do if u knew 100 percent it wouldn't happen
No, stop being 12.
>>544287186For the 100th time, I wont pray to him cuz if hes god then im praying to him anyways when I pray to god. U litteraly cant comprehend this? I am trying hard to be nice here. Jesus fucking christ.. This is why I will just lie and say I convert and pray to jesus now. U also didnt answer my question on what would u do if u knew I would never convert, let's say be an atheist forever. Jesus came down himself and told u. What would u do? Oh wait, yall cant answer this fucking simple ass question for some reason. I like reading the Bible but I hate talling to you people if im being honest
>>544286089Christcucks are Jew-fucked weirdos and I want nothing to do with them. If you are White and you’re not Pagan, go fuck yourself.
>>544287042It depends on the individual. There are no two Christians who are the same. Some are jerks and might treat you like a jerk would. Some, like me, I would remember how I used to be when I was spititually retarded and let that guide me in how to treat you, I guess.
>>544287228>if u knew i would NEVER convertI wouldn't know that. If I thought I couldn't convince you with logic I wouldn't talk to you anyway, I try not to waste my time with idiots in general. Online in the public forum is different, but in person I prefer to spend my time with people who aren't soul draining to be around.I have a Muslim acquaintance and I know he won't convert but he also isn't White nor is he American so when the 4th Reich happens his ass will have to be kicked out.Also it depends how you articulate why you don't believe. If it is just "if God real why bad things happen" then I can't help you because there is an obvious point to why bad things happen - so that we can appreciate good things and work to prevent bad. Most arguments on why God doesn't exist don't really make sense when I examine them.
>>544287193Okay so u are saying I cant contact god unless I pray to jesus? Jewish middleman, gotcha. Fuck I tried so hard being nice in this thread. I cant with u people. Thats it, I convert. Jesus is god. U saved my soul. Thank you. Goodbye nothing to talk about now see u in heaven
Paul’s tent‑making was not just a side job but a deliberate part of his witness, creating relationships, supporting communities, and giving him daily opportunities to embody and share the message of Jesus Christ.
>>544287429Ye and how would u treat me then? Keep ur distance? Not be friends with me? Resent me? Keep away cuz im a demon?
>>544287228People have converted with their last breath before dying. You might think you'll never convert but you can never actually know. God cares about every single soul and so by extension, so should and do we. I think how someone reacts to you saying you won't ever convert greatly depends on the details and nuances of the circumstances. Your coworker might not really care but your mom might. If you actively bring sin into someone's life, they will likely care more about you finding the right path because you not accepting the truth is a constant burden on them, etc.
to any anon that would like to serve Jesus take a minute to let Him into your heart mind body soul and spirit.
>>544287447Okay so thanks for finally answering my question. Ghe best thing is to lie to these people and say I convert cuz I have to deal with them(for now) or else they will give me the cold shoulder. Should take to take 5p posts to get this answer out of you goyim
Do you address God the Father? That's fine. You can probably pray to the Holy Ghost too, I don't know of any rule against it. It all goes to the same place after all.OTOH Catholics are on the wrong track, even though the Saints may sit right next to Jesus Christ in Heaven, there is no need to treat them as some kind of phone bank through which they route priority calls up to Mary and then possibly Jesus or God the Father or the Holy Spirit. If Jesus Christ is God, which he is through the Trinity, and so on with God the Father and the Holy Ghost, I am confident they can handle up to an infinite number of prayers simultaneously.>>544287476This too.
>>544287228Are you planning on being Satanic and doing Satanic works? I guess the answer to this question might factor in.
>>544287491Its called a hypothetical and people who cant indulge in them arent beating the system but showing their lack of coherence in their belief structure >>544287521How exactly?
>>544287526I just pray to god, the god of gods(deutonomy so dont even start with me).
>>544287459No, that's not what I said at all. What I said is that you're abusing God in a vile self serving and narcissistic way. Obviously you can pray to God directly, the point is that if you refuse to pray to Jesus, it implies that you don't think he's God himself, which is crucial to being considered Christian because if you don't believe in the trinity, you're more like a jew or a muslim really. What distinguishes Christianity from these other abrahamic religions is precisely that it assumes that Jesus isn't a middle man but God himself.
>>544287524I don't think most Christians would want to hang out with you just because of your arrogance, even if you pretend to believe.Boomer conservative Christians would just think you are Godless and Zoomer ethnic nationalist Christians would think you are a retard/degenerate from how you post. I guess you could try to hang with the progressive Christians, they tell the same lie you would about believing.Christians like to debate about religion even with each other so someone like you wouldn't be very stimulating intellectually to talk with
>>544287490Not being Christian does not make you a demon. If we had other stuff in common and got along, I would probably just focus on that. If you were generally a cool dude, I would just try and get along with you on those terms, if I liked you enough. If we were just casual acquaintances then I would treat you like a casual acquaintance.
>>544287547I believe in reincarnation and karma(no not a jeet). As for the occult. Its possible I might do angel magick, I would have to resd the books about it and think. Most liekly not beacuse god provides me everything. No point in praying to demigod or angels when u can pray directly to god I believe. I also believe no fap and other penences pleases god the most and he will make ur life easier if u follow them and be pure from the demonic dopamine hamster wheel. Like this place, fuck
>>544287689That how I hope everyone treat everyone. But everyone is different... Can't figure out if the ones I gotta deal with irl are like that
>>544286893You're not Christian yet, but you're closeWhen you pray to God, if you believe in Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, then you are praying to Him through all 3 in essence. One in three, three in one. But Christ said no one can come to the Father except through me, so you have to first accept and believe that He was the Eternal Word made flesh, God's only begotten Son, who came in the late Roman Empire in a small province in the outskirts in Judea, born to a tribe of people with an aging covenant with the Father. If you believe in Him, then you can know the Father. Then you're praying to God.>t. Catholic>Pray for Pope Leo XIV
>>5442862171john 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.Start by reading the gospels, and praying about it, and I'm confident that God will make it clear to you where you are in error.
>>544287616It's fine.What religion do you think Adam or Noah had? Since you're reading the Bible. It doesn't go into it. To me it's a fun mystery. Certainly all religions in the world share certain features, altars with consecrated stones inside, circumambulation, stations, and a solar worship either outright or by analog. I think that's no coincidence.>>544287741Maybe read one of the Gospels, just as a break, then continue on your Old Testament studies. The Gospels and New Testament are fine as-is but are really not as meaningful without the Old Testament.
>>544287587You can only really talk about hypotheticals that have limited amounts of unknown variables. Human interactions have almost infinite variables that significantly affect the possible outcomes, so hypothesizing about all the variables would take multiple books to go over. Either you give us more concrete examples of who's the (singular) person you're having issues with and who you are in relation to them, to narrow down the variables a little bit or you don't know anything about how humans function. The fact you think you've given us all the necessary information to be able to predict the likely outcome is actually wild. Makes me concerned for your mental capacity.
>>544287742I dont beleive hes the son of god or that he was real, I beleive hes a metaphor or an ascended master. Like Buddha. Trust me, im not close to christian.
>>544287699Yeah. I'd stay FAR away from you.
>>544286332Jesus cared about the old testament. Quoted from it obsessively. Why don't you want to be like Jesus?
>>544287896Yep, you're not ChristianWithout Him you'll open a door that you can't shut. Good luck.
>>544287810Im reading it from front to back including the apocrythas but I already belive in my own interpretation of god. In other words god woild never request circumcision let alone care
>>544286217If you dont believe god was literally a curcumsized jewish man that taught torah and studied passover you are nasically a satan worshipper to these people so don't bring it up if you want to remain friendly
>>544286089No. A real Christian will share with you the good news if you are interested. If not, they'll say cool, maybe in the future. They won't hassle you at all. Just know with the time being short. Time is now to talk to the Mighty One and his Son. And if not cool, be cool anon.
>>544287896Lol you've still got a ways to go. But I think you are on the right track.
>>544287896>im not close to christianWe can tell.
>>544287913The feeling is mutual but what if we had to work and interact with each other? Talk shit to me to the boss to get me fired? Or just suck it up cuz we are wage slaves that are forced to be arpund people we dont like?
>>544286089No. t. a Christian
>>544287975Ye thats what im glong with. Im sure there are nice ones out there. Like 10 percent of them..
>>544287804Dude the Jews obstinately disagree and have been programming society for a long time to do this too. You ever watch that movie Constantine? Lel.I've read fanfiction from the Jews that would blow your socks off, the Toledoth Jehu for instance, which goes into some purported magic battle between Jesus Christ and Simon Magus, and it's quite literally Dragonball Z tier but also highly pornographic. It was composed no later than the 900's AD by manuscript but probably much earlier going by linguistic cues.Your average goy has been through a wringer of media bullshit their whole life, their parents too, going back to the 1930s. Something Satanic is going on and has been for the 20th Century and certainly the 21st, no /pol/tard would deny it even the atheists. They might blame some other pervasive evil but clearly at the top of the pyramid of evil it's Satan.>>544287896Then you're not really a Christian, that's OK I guess. I won't torch you. Keep reading the Bible then maybe even read the Buddhist and Hindu and every other scripture you can lay hands on. I did. I'm sure whatever God or god or gods you believe in, will appreciate the effort you are making to learn about divinity.
>>544287976Okay but what if i dont accept the good news and we have to work and interact with each other? U will just keep ur distance
>>544286089No that isn't true lol. Most of us will try to give you the gospel once. If you don't want it we'll just continue being your friend while praying for you, but any Christian who persists in trying to convert a disinterested person is violating Christ's command to shake off the dust. We can remain friends with you but we cannot reapproach the gospel unless you then bring it up, if we are living up to the saying
>>544288001>just suck it up cuz we are wage slaves that are forced to be arpund people we dont like?This. As christians you're very used to having to just tolerate the demons all around you. It's not worth creating unnecessary drama over. Why do you even bring it up? Just stick to work stuff like a normal person if you're just going to be grating and contrarian to sour the tone.
>>544286756God can be killed?
>>544288057Dude once you hit the Gospels you will suddenly see that Jesus Christ is for real if you're truly reading all your Old Testament first. You may say now that Jesus isn't important to your faith but once you hit the Prophets you will suddenly be stricken with a wave of fear if you're trying to keep this ancient chicken whirling religion of Abraham or even Noah. Or SON KILLING worship.You see one thing you will understand is all the major religions used to practice human sacrifice, and this is alluded to with the Ram in the Thicket, as well as later on when that one fella swears an oath when he leaves his home that he will sacrifice "the first living thing" he sees if he makes it back and it was his precious beautiful daughter and he did it, it's in the Old Testament.Later on this was replaced with animal sacrifice and there was a sort of ancient crusade, long before Christians existed, or Christ came, to stamp it out. Caananites (aka "the Jews" and also kin to Hebrews / possibly Hebrews) were among the last to be forced to stop in the Med region and Europe, Greeks outlawed it in their earliest laws.I am a fully qualified Master Mason and Christian. Ask away.
God specifically incarnated as Jesus Christ to see what the Jews and the Government would do to him, if he called them out. They killed him. It was an experiment for God, to experience the human condition even with some superpowers. He knew what they'd all do anyways. It was more to show the HUMANS He created, what their fate was if they trusted in the religious or government authorities instead of God.Stupid jew.
