These are the only two wrestling shows worth watching right now.
You aren't supposed to actually watch Stardom.
>>16696202Stardom is fucking horrible outside 4 or 5 big shows a year. Just goon to pics of the roster like peps, scott e and all the other twitter personalities do
>>16696202Based.>>16696221Yeah, tel me you don't actually watch without telling me you don't actually watch.The smaller shows ain't as good as the big ones but they're very watchable. They're not meant to be watched like TV shows anyway, they're house shows.
>>16696209>>16696221Is this some anti-stardom propaganda?
>>16696221many people are saying this
>>16696202sorry. I'm not any form of shitskin, so i watch neither
>>16696264Many retarded people who don't actually watch Stardom reallyIt has some of the most watchable house shows out of any company today. Just easy viewing with fun matches. And the bigger shows tend to be killer.
>>16696202Apart from some of the iwgp matches stardoms has been garbage this year, mind I don't like tam matches or tora matches hence why I think it's garbage
>>16696312So it's 7/10 instead of the 9/10 it was before, that's still better than pretty much any other company out there.The wrestling is still good and the shows are still fun.
>>16696202I watch NXT every week and it's easily my favorite wrestling show. I've only just started checking out Stardom, and I only watch the big PPVs with English commentary, but there's a lot to like. Dream Queendom was one of the best PPVs I saw last year. The final two matches in particular were amazing. They should get more English commentary and bring back the guy who translates the promos.
>>16696323Promo translator guy was with Rossy and jumped ship with him when he created Marigold, sadly. It's not hard to add subtitles to a video, I'm not even an AV guy and know how to do it. Really don't know how expensive it is to bring in some gaijin English teacher to do the translations, doesn't have to be perfect.
>>166962022023 Stardom was way better
>>16696322If they cut about 10 people from the roster and didn't have so many interference finishes it would be infinitely more watchable
>>16696294Ok enjoy your endless nonstop 6 person tags, no one else does
>>16696202I really like NXT, maybe I should get into Stardom, then
>>16696202Coincidence, I only watch those two right now.
>>16696367This is a transition period, losing Rossy (along with his plans) was a huge shake up and Okada's had to make it up as he goes. He's booked some fun stuff though and things have gotten a lot smoother.>>16696373They definitely need to drop the interference stuff. And I suppose they could afford to drop some people, but I can't think of a single person I wouldn't miss if that makes sense. Hell, Ruaka is arguably the worst worker there and even she has a big place in my heart.
>>16696221This one really rattled their cages lmao
>>16696390Okay, not sure what part of this you don't get but I'll write it in bigger letters for you:THOSE ARE HOUSE SHOWS.House shows in Japan always revolve around multi-person tags. New Japan does exactly the same thing, as does every other company.THOSE SHOWS AREN'T MEANT TO BE WATCHED EPISODICALLY LIKE RAW OR SMACKDOWN OR NXT. They're really just intended for the people present. They're provided to us for interest sake.
>>16696393The Dream Queendom 2024 show was excellent. Natsupoi vs Starlight Kid was workrate kino, and the main event match was kino that reminded me of a Bloodline match.
>>16696407Yes which is why I said earlier there are only 4 to 5 shows a year worth watching. You joshi trannies are fucking retarded
>>16696398Is Rossy a good booker? I see people here clowning on Marigold but it could just be trolling and hating on it when they're already watching don't watch it.
>>16696202For me it's NXT's womeme division and Dragongate
>>16696412They have big shows every month and they're almost always worth watching.You can call me retarded if you like but shitting on a company and calling it terrible because it runs house shows is the epitome of retardism. The shows you're meant to watch regularly are almost always quite good.
>>16696407>there are only 4 shows worth watching>NO THERES TONS>these 7 shows a month are pointless>REEEEE STOP NOTICING!!
>>16696420Rossy likes to let things breathe. I always liked his booking personally. The problem with Marigold isn't the booking, it's that he's got a lot of green workers (much like he did with Stardom originally) and it's going to take time to build them up.A lot of Stardom's current talent is gals who have been with the company for years. That gives them lots of opportunities to work together and develop chemistry, which is why the matches tend to be good. It takes time to develop that.
>>16696442That novel just shows how retarded you are
>>16696446Those shows aren't pointless.Do you understand the purpose of those multi-women tags? The point is that everyone works with each other regularly. Learns each other's styles.When they finally go head to head for a singles match, they've had lots of opportunities to see what works between the two and what doesn't. They know already where the chemistry is, and it's the chemistry that makes the good matches so good.It's the same across all Japanese wrestling. That's why it's so good. Everyone has worked together already a ton by the time they square off in a tag or singles context. Meanwhile, these companies make their money from butts in seats so this is their bread and butter.It's not meant for you. It's meant for the audience who is there.
>>16696462Imagine being such an illiterate jeet that a few lines are a fucking novel to you.Learn to English retard.
Stardom groomers are big mad now
>>16696398>not missing Turkla.
>>16696408>workrate kinoSmell yourself.
>>16696420Rossy relies too much on TLD's to pad shows and keep wrestlers strong and he tends toward longer title runs but, it's way better than Okada (or whoever is really booking) having every title build just be each girl pinning the other 50/50 for 2 weeks. If it wasn't for Tam lore and other girls selling it on SNS, there would be no hype for anything. Now, they have fully transitioned to the younger generation and it's gonna be a string of short title reigns to keep everyone happy. Stardom is lucky that 70 percent of the roster are already so over that they can carry house shows and PPV's for another year or two.
>>16696412No you are ignorant asf, they have annual Korakuen Hall shows that are consistently average to based and they throw the re-runs on their YT channelHouse show shit is generally for the obsessed who bother to have an old World account
>>16696202Oba Femi will get the burial of his life the moment he moves up.I don't really care about Giulia but I get why they put the belt on her and plus she'll likely be at the Rumble.
>>16696202Amazing bait
>>16696816What if it's actually not bait though?https://archive.org/details/stardom-dream-queendom-2024-29-12-24
>>16696202Raw and collision were good and okay
>>16696420Marigold is goo but it's new so it's still trying to shake out its odds and ends. Clowning on Rossy became a meme after Kenny put out a loaded statement that Rossy is into little girls (its bullshit, Stardom has trained wrestlers as young as 11 yrs of age, AZM, Starlight Kid, Ruaka, etc). Some have been critical of him before that though due to his booking not being 100% perfect all the time or someone will even bring up the Yoshiko incident or way back when Aja Kong sued him, just typical autistic nitpicking.
>>16696894Then you would be a retard to believe this
>>16696992I mean, I linked to an actual Stardom show... it's very good.Unless you're talking about NXT?
>>16696202Fraid' so
>>16696745Lmao you're running in circles just to prove my point. What a retard
>>16697004Talking about both
>>16697011Your complaint is that a company whose business model is largely based on house shows puts on house shows but doesn't put its money matches on said house shows because they'd rather save them for bigger shows in bigger venuesIt's literally an empty point
>>16697015Yeah, watch the show I linked to and get back to me on that one because you don't know what you're talking about and it shows.
>>16697032Oh no, they did a silly spot in a low card match that existed solely to give the under roster something to do, that totally proves Stardom sucks!Are you this stupid in real life as well?
>>16697037You couldn't pay me to watch an all women's show, especially one with nothing but bugs
>>16696462Some of us bother to use /lit/, were not all single-digit shit for brains like you are you smelly third-worlder.
>>16697032Kek, that's just MIRAI being the exceptional tard she is
>>16697151More like Suzu sandbaging
>>16696420He's lazy. He books for Tokyo Sports awards, so every top belt reign is long as fuck and predictable. Plus, he's more of a matchmaker than a booker. He puts together random matches and than leaves it entirely to the wrestlers to build a feud. That's why for a long time, the only real feuds in Stardom involved Tam Nakano. She was the only one who bothered to come up with something different than "you're the champ, I want to fight you". For years Stardom has been a promotion where you could only watch main events and don't miss anything, because there was nothing else happening. Now, the top matches aren't as good as when Io, Kagetsu or prime Utami were there, but the shows overall, are much more enjoyable to watch, because there are actual rivalries being build up and down the card
>>16696221>twitter personalitiesKEK
don't associate starchads with NXSHITTY
>>16697027Please stop talking scott
>>16697084It's your loss dude, you're missing out.I honestly wonder what this mythical company everyone is watching right now that is somehow better on a regular basis than Stardom at the moment. No, it's not perfect and it's a shadow of its former self. But what's better right now: WWE? AEW? New Japan? NOAH?Stardom is outshining all of them, at least right now. If there's currently something better, I'd love to know so I could watch it.
>>16697370>It's your loss dude, you're missing out.lol, lmao even
>>16696202>StardomTrue NXTitans are TJPWchads.
>>16697472Ignorant people love to laugh off shit they know nothing about so that's fine.
Stardom got too big for itself. It's now the promotion for casuals. Marigold, TJPW even AWG are all more fun to watch now. At least those promotions still put on weird shows like Marigold's Mask Fiesta, TJPW's Pool Wrestling or the upcoming Shinkansen show.Stardom lost their soul when they put max profit above all. There is no way to avoid that, though. Eventually, you get big enough to not be cool anymore.
>>16696548Give up on that word.
>>16697879>At least those promotions still put on weird shows like Marigold's Mask Fiesta, TJPW's Pool Wrestling or the upcoming Shinkansen show.Gimmick shows are fun. Are they really unprofitable?
>>16697879>Marigold's Mask FiestaIt will happen until Rossy dies because Rossy legit has a mask fetish.
