>>77269852
men who unironically say that deserve to never be in a relationship or have sex with anyone

>>77269852
i think lol sexhaver whores btfo
and then i go back to shlicking to yaoi

>>77269916
What a wholesome trad woman who contributes to society

>>77269937
thanks wurstie

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>>77269864
is this you?

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>>77269864
Do you think it's wrong for a man that saves sex for marriage to demand the same from his potential wife?

I'm afraid our "fembots" never had hymens

I don't care about real men

>>77269852
1) the hymen can be broken by things other than sex so I think the saying is stupid and uneducated.
2) putting aside the logistics of how hymens work, I agree that sleeping around is stupid, but I don't see the issue with a woman who had sex in previous relationships that didn't work out. Also I feel like a lot of the men who say that wouldn't want to actually wait until marriage before fucking, so a bunch of them are hypocrites (but if the man is also a virgin who's genuinely waiting for marriage, I can respect it). But it doesn't really affect me either way. I'm a virgin so "no hymen, no diamond" doesn't filter me. And even if I do lose my virginity to a future bf only to later breakup, I wouldn't want to date the kind of guy who cares that much about virginity anyways.

>>77270130
Why does the "hymen" part always filters the <100 IQers and makes them start talking about anatomy and how it can be broken riding bikes or whatever

>>77270156
To be fair, the second part of what she said somewhat addresses that but yes "no hymen no diamond" is clearly about virginity moreso than the physical hymen. It's rare, but some women are actually born without hymens too. It's just a catchy phrase and the hymen is traditionally associated with virginity so it makes sense.

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>>77270156
>mention hymens
>suddenly every woman on the planet is a mongol apparently
I don't even gaf about hymens, but how quick and rehearsed the response is every time it gets mentioned tells you everything you need to know.

>>77270001
The delayed reaction and talking to the self is so weird to watch, you can see her working herself up as she slowly processes the implications more and more

>>77270156
this site is full of autists who take every single thing literally. They genuinely don't understand.

>>77270156
If you actually bothered to read more than one sentence of my post, you'd see I acknowledged the actual meaning of "I'll only marry a virgin." But I still think the saying is stupid and uneducated.

>>77270347
Yeah more or less, but you had to put down the same old routine first

I wonder what causes such phenomenon

>>77269852
that's absolutely stupid the hymen isn't a fucking safety seal
and virginity doesn't even matter. you literally only care because you're virgins. once you actually fuck some people and you'll realize that sex isn't actually that special or intimate

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>>77269852
>and virginity doesn't even matter. you literally only care because you're virgins.

it is NORMAL and NATURAL to have a triple digit body count by 20, CHUDS!
Anyone who disagrees is short, poor, and has a small penis!

>>77270539
Where's this study for men's body counts?

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>>77270713
Don't have it on hand unfortunately, but I think it has a similar effect but to a much lesser degree. I don't think it's good for men or women to sleep around, but from what I understand it's far more impactful and damaging for women. It generally takes longer for men to get burnt out in the same way, and is also far more uncommon because only the top of the top of men even have the ability to get that much sex. But yes, I personally think both sexes should wait until marriage

>>77270029
he can choose to not have sex, but he shouldnt expect there to be virgin women lining up to date him because of it

I'm sorry fembots, non-virgins just give me ick. And I'm allowed to have standards, don't purityshame me.

>>77270981
Fair enough. Thanks for giving a proper response, bro.

>>77270981
Also, women generally care less about a man's body count, or even see it as a positive, while the opposite is typically true for men

Don't care because I live in a liberal area, so the men who say that shit are perceived as losers. Honestly I don't think there's anything wrong preferring a virgin, I also would prefer one I think it's hot and matches my experience level too. But like the problem starts when people start saying this stuff to bring people down, that's mean. But then also I don't see any problem with expressing this sentiment on 4chan, cause its very insular and like yeah and like we should be allowed to complain and be edgy cause its fun fuck you all

>>77269986
Not that anon, but I love "wurstie" lmao. I wonder what the equivalent for women would be?

>>77270997
>but he shouldnt expect there to be virgin women lining up to date him because of it
Why exactly?

>>77269852
It makes sense for men who get married at age 18-20. If you hear a man say that and hes 25, hes just coping. He is a full blown degenerate and most likely has a porn watching past with zero respect for the cultures that facilitated monogamy

>>77272004
The question was for fembots

>>77269852
What's the name of the anime so I can avoid it?

>>77272090
Fembots realize that guys with a porn watching past are trash

>>77272175
Whatever, bu let them speak for themselves

>>77272175
next you're gonna tell me that playing COD or watching liveleak vids = being an actual murderer

>>77270029
>saves sex for marriage
Kek. Being at utter loser does not equate to 'saving yourself'.

>>77272175
Fembots are talking to 20 guys on pisscord everyday but have an issue with me jacking it once a week LOL

>>77272339
The percentage of true incels that couldn't possibly get a crumb of pussy despite their best efforts is actually tiny. Quality of the woman aside, It really isn't THAT hard to just get laid if that's your only goal if you just clean up a little bit and aren't legitimately helplessly autistic/unhygenic/ugly. Just sticking in your dick in somebody isn't anything to be proud of. The reason you see all of this fuss about muh men not dating or whatever is because the juice just isn't worth the squeeze anymore more than anything else, so they don't even try. What is actually difficult though is finding a loyal, loving virgin woman to have an actual relationship/build a family with. I mean, even so called trad women have 5+ body counts and screech at the mention of no hymen no diamond. For the record, I don't think men should sleep around either, """chads""" who ride the roastie rollercoaster are pretty much just as bad as the whores they create

>>77270001
Thousands upon thousands.

>>77269852
Moid here, both men and women make God awful parents if their parents didn't give two shits and no one taught them otherwise.

It takes a village, but only if the village are hard-line religious traditionalists.

The best solution is probably AGI chipping the ignorance and excessive emotion out of everyone.

>>77269852
As if anyone would gib me diamonds even with my hymen intact.

>>77272004
>>77272175
Porn isn't great, but there's a massive difference between what basically amounts to relieving a biological urge in the privacy of your own bedroom and actually becoming physically and emotionally entangled with and invested in a man (or men more likely), exposing your most vulnerable and intimate side to him, and making memories with him that you'll carry in to your future relationships whether you want to or not. If you marry, your husband will have been robbed of sharing that special connection with you, and will always remember that there's a dude that essentially pumped and dumped you and enjoyed you when you were younger and hotter. Porm addiction, while terrible and definitely potentially harmful to a couples sex life, can be cured, but you can never get unfucked by all the dick you took, and those memories will always linger in yours and your exes minds. That's not to say that you are unworthy or undeserving of love, but let's not that act like these are the same or that these things don't matter.

>>77269852
>Fembots, how do you feel about the phrase "no hymen no diamond"
I don't care if someone wants to date a virgin. That's none of my business. :p

>>77270981
>similar effect but to a much lesser degree
they create the whores from the first graph

>tell women that sleeping around is unattractive
>they get mad
what's the deal? women go out of their way to wear make up and dress a certain way due to social judgements, is it really that much different?
the desire for chaste women isn't some incel invention, it's been around forever and it just speaks to base male sexuality: nobody wants to invest in somebody whose behavior indicates a higher chance they could get pregnant by somebody else. you're never going to get men as a whole to see nothing wrong with it, it'll always bother any normal red blooded male. the best case scenario is they go along with it because it's that or not getting their dick wet at all

>>77269864
t. used roastie
don't give up hope chad bros with no or low counts there are women who exist who have no or low counts too, I found one

>>77269852
So how do you keep the hymen while making a guy like you enough to consider marriage though?

>somehow found not one but two "I believe in waiting for marriage" guys on Bumble
>swiped right on both of them
>didn't match
Oh well...

>>77269852
Not a virgin, either, so I guess it's fine if my gf isn't a virgin. That being said, all of my gfs have been virgins when they met me, so I'm bound to eventually have a non-virgin gf if I lose my current gf and keep going.

>>77274897
Your profile must be pretty bad or give the wrong impression, it's not easy to find gf material on Bumble let alone wife material.

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>>77274726
Sometimes men can have their ability to pair-bond damaged by just one woman.

>>77274921
What do you mean by gf or wife material? I think it's best to have a lifetime body count of 1 but I dress more like a skater bro and my bios usually contain shitpost-y humour.

>>77274982
>What do you mean by gf or wife material?
Girls who portray themselves as reasonably modest and pleasant to be around rather than no class or high maintenance idiots. Most women on these apps have low class profiles with pictures of them drinking on nights out, show too much skin, and their bios are basically all the same shit about food, dogs and whatever shit has become popular recently.
I could see your aesthetic or humour giving the wrong impression but you've still got to be yourself and at least it's different. I dress like a dumb faggot so I definitely turned off women I'd like to date with that but it is what it is. Hinge is probably better for finding more serious people but the overall problem is still there.

>>77270483
Yeah that's why people kill each other over cheating because sex isn't that big of a deal.
>Roll eyes

>>77269852
the girl i like is a virgin but doesn't have a hymen apparently

>>77272004
I'm Catholic. I don't watch porn, i only jack off maybe twice or 3 times a month to my imagination. I am quite literally saving myself for marriage with a Catholic virgin girl, as is proper. But in my church there are 0 women my age, only little kids and old ladies. I honestly haven't met a girl my age in any church activities in the past 5 years. I'm 22.

>>77275215
Maybe G-d just hasn't chosen it to be your time yet. You are still very young

>>77275215
catholicism is literally the worst religion though lol

>>77275215
In used to attend a church service that was mostly catered to college students - though it also had older and younger people attending too. There was a lot of people around my age there. Something to consider if that's a thing you can access near you.

>>77275259
Yes someone else on 4chin told me about that so i looked around but that doesn't exist in my area, it's just normal mass.
>>77275257
Peace be with you.

>>77274373
>massive difference
the only real difference is in the opportunity you have.

if you watch porn, you are also of the same mindset of the person who has casual sex. it's sexual gratification without marriage. you are delusional to think that the "no hymen no diamond" guys should logically ever have a porn watching past. the principle itself prevents watching any porn.

>>77275215
Go to a different church, that's absurd. Old ladies should not have little kids.

>>77275408
those are called grandmas, anon

>>77272248
Unironically, and LITERALLY, if you are a traditional man then you would believe that video games are retarded, and any guy sitting at home pretending to shoot and murder people on their computer, is a full blown degenerate. The hypocrisy of a lot of these disloyal men looking for a loyal woman is just observably going to fail a lot of the time.

>>77275420
>grandmas do not have any adult children
oh bet?

>>77275401
That's not true because the consequences for actually engaging in casual sex or even serial monogamist "committed" relationship sex are far more severe and impactful to not only yourself but your partner when compared to the release of sexual tension from porn fapping. It's possible for somebody who uses porn to also be saving actual sex for marriage and even turn down opportunities for casual sex when it's presented to him. I do agree though that it's ideal to not watch it at all, but it's not equivalent to actually fucking

>>77275449
wut? the fact that they have little kids with them implies the existence of adult children who are parents to those little kids

>>77275470
>the consequences
Completely irrelevant. If a woman sucks 1000 cocks with her mouth, she is not morally better than a woman who had actual sex twice just because of the meme consequences. I can agree that people draw different lines for themselves and take their own risks, but I dont see any logical consistency between someone who values virginity in a relationship, and someone who is willing to simulate sex with random strangers and watch them in sexual or erotic situations for pleasure. A porn watching past is not just a release of tension, dumbass, it is a consumption of disgusting filth that obviously influences the way you see sex and women. You are quite FUCKING LITERALLY supposed to wait for marriage, not bust your nut all day

>>77275408
>>77275420
>>77275449
I mean, there are also young families (35-40) with kids too, but a lot of grandmas with kids as well. I said i tried out all the church activities, and i've been in the church choir since i was 10. The old ladies and old guys in the choir are really nice and they say i'm handsome and the usual, but i asked them recently why their grandchildren don't come to church, why there are no people my age at church. They answered that their grandchildren (girls and guys my age) are all rebellious, they think church is boring, they go out clubbing every saturday and get wasted so they don't come to sunday mass. A lot of the grandmas complain how their granddaughters dress, how they get piercings and tattoos, etc etc. Funnily, enough there are a few guys my age at church as well. I'm good friends with them, i go to BJJ classes with 1 and one goes to my gym, and a few i've known since childhood - all kissless dateless virgins who have never had a girlfriend. And they are all good proper guys, well groomed, well dressed, normal guys.

>>77275491
The implication is that you can meet tons of people your age just by participating at church. Stop being daft

>>77275519
Hey, newsflash big guy: married churchgoing people with kids aren't looking to date a fucking 20 year old.

>>77275515
My experience is the opposite. All the women in my city are modest, well mannered and never do anything wrong. And there are a lot of young single innocent women who are trying to find a boyfriend. Meanwhile all the men i see, literally all of them have tattoos and they just party all night.

>>77272004
Well shit I'm 21. Is it over for me?

>>77275532
Married people know unmarried people. Its a tale as old as time. Most people who got married used to not be married as well. I used to be just like you

>>77275535
Where do you live? Arcadia? Tell me so i can move there and get married already.

>>77275539
Its very late if you dont already know who you are going to marry, but its not over yet

>>77275559
Assuming you are another man, no please dont move here, the men here are not respectful or kind

>>77275519
>you can meet people tangentially involved with the church because their mom goes to church, who in turn might know single people
that's just basic networking and barely a guarantee of meeting somebody actually aligned with your lifestyle lol

>>77275569
This means thar all the women are virgins though yes? Since good modest women would never reward these evil bad men, right?

>>77275577
If your lifestyle involves you being single and not even trying to date, then yeah I dont understand what you expected. There are tons of cat ladies out there who also fell for learned helplessness, you wouldnt even be special in that regard

>>77275594
Thats absolutely right they have no sexual past.

>>77269852
Theres no such thing as a femcel. All women can and have had sex. Not getting chad isn't an excuse.
>>77269864
I hope you die of cervical cancer.

>>77275599
Obviously in this case we're talking about a lifestyle that would suit a churchy christfag which is by no means guaranteed by getting to know some grandmas in church, it's probably a pretty shitty way for a young guy to find a date overall because it's not likely going to get them the tradlarp gf they want.

>>77275616
Its not about sex. All incels can have sex with other men or find a prostitute

>>77270029
yes, i think that man has been brainwashed, genuinely it's unnattactive for a guy to tie his morality to whether or not he has sex or not, what makes him different from the average person? does he give money to homeless people? does he engage in mutual aid? is he kind to his neighbors and fellow humans? oh he doesn't do any of that, and his idea of moral supremacy over us is just because he vows to nut in his hand until marraige instead of experiencing vulnerability and intimacy with another person, because of a thousand year old book that was written before women even had human rights? yikes

>>77275607
Then i am very sorry to tell you that your entire community will die out in 50 years, since none of thr women raised good enough men of the next generation. I'm so sorry. Thoughts and prayers.

>>77275215
imagine going to the church and there's guys who pride themselves on only masturbating 3 times in an entire month, maybe it's for the better, who knows what a guy like that would do if he saw an actual woman, at the very least she'd make it into his imagination, which is ironic

>>77275618
>guarantee
Every time I hear this word I picture a 14 year old kid that has never been told no by his parents. What the fuck are you talking about retard? If you go to a schizo church, then you have no reason to defend that church in the first place. By definition, church is a community building and gathering place. Its like if I said that I enjoy being married and then my lifestyle consisted of never seeing or talking to my wife because its not guaranteed that she would cook. Shut up, he can find a different church or yes he can talk to people in his church to branch out more.

>>77275622
Thank you for your kind words. The men were raised by asshole men though.

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>>77275513
First off, I'll just say if a woman wants to hold the standard of "I won't marry a man that has ever watched porn" that's ultimately her decision, she's free to do so. I think she'll have a harder time than even a man trying to find a virgin wife, but still, it's her choice. I guess it gets a little weird because then we can get in to the question of what exactly constitutes porn. Is porn a man fantasizing about a naked woman? Is it a man masturbating to a picture of a modestly dressed, but attractive woman? So does this virtuous woman then want a man that has never masturbated or even had sexual thoughts about a woman? But anyways, yeah I do agree that porn is filth that's best to be avoided, and can certainly have a negative impact on your sex life with your potential gf/wife, it's just that while even the most depraved gooncoom unga bunga caveman at least has the potential of being cured of his porn addiction, a nonvirgin woman CAN NEVER get her virginity back. She can't unsuck all those dicks, she can't forget the sensations of all the different sizes and shapes of shlong she took in her reproductive prime, she can't forget the way her first love made her feel when they embraced and she said she'd love him forever. She can't undo the trail of broken hearts and failed relationships that have real world consequences for her and her partners, past, present, and future. Did you know that if a woman has just ONE premarital sex partner, her chance of divorce goes from 18% to around 40%? That's completely unacceptable in a world where no fault divorce exists. But all that being said, I DO AGREE that pornography is not good, should be avoided, can have negative impacts on your relationships, etc etc, I'm just saying that having casual sex, actually engaging in the acts that the pornography is merely simulating, is far more damaging.

>>77269852
i dont think people say it like that

>>77275798
You cant unwatch porn, and if you are a statistics cuck, then the effect of a woman having a bachelors degree is much larger for a stable marriage, but very few people talk about it

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>>77275621
What if it's not just for moral or religious reasons? What if he just wants to have a special relationship with his lover that no other man can touch or lay claim to? What if he just wants to be able to share the highest forms of physical intimacy and emotional bonding with his woman, both of them giving themselves to each other completely and freely, with no baggage and with nothing held back? What if he doesn't like the idea of his potential wife and mother of his children having experienced these things with other men who merely took her for granted and cast her aside?

>>77275836
Wanting a special relationship and then judging women broadly or judging a woman on a single action that you have predispositions about is not consistent. A special relationship comes from your bond with one person that you relate to in the moment, not a checklist that the person fills out. I can accept that some people risk wasting their time on loose whores that will not stay around for long, if they are not careful, but I dont accept this notion that all forms of sexual experience or sexual fantasy are the same thing

>>77275667
>Every time I hear this word I picture a 14 year old kid that has never been told no by his parents. What the fuck are you talking about retard?
lol what the fuck are you on about, sperging out about a mundane word

>>77270001
>And a woman is not a key
Holy shit absolutely zero English comprehension skills on this one. The lock is the allegory for the woman not the key

>>77276036
Even without that it just highlights the pointlessness of using analogies or allegories. Even if she correctly identified the woman as a lock the response would still be along the lines of "nooo you aren't allowed to compare these situations because you just can't ok"

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>>77276036
I noticed that dishonest people always have trouble with allegories

>>77269916
Based fujoshi
>>77269864
Cringe Coping whore

>>77271563
Roastie( reference to how some womens labias look disgusting like a roast beef sandwhich) is the term which came first, chronically online "femcels" came up with
Wurstie as a shitty come back.

>>77276365
Yeah but I don't like it. Wurstie sounds funny and unserious, roastie just sounds mean.

>>77269864
I held out for a virgin and got one. Don't give up, we're all going to make it.

>>77276365
Wait, it's not the opposite of "bestie"?

>>77276567
Lmao no, it's from a word for German sausage.

>>77276389
Is she called wurstie because it's the opposite of bestie or because her pussy is shaped like a bratwurst?

>>77276715
No, wurstie is a funny word for man.

>>77276567
>>77276696
Oh. beat me to it.

>>77270001
the moment you really see she had no idea what she talking about is when she thinks she's the key

>>77274933
thats true for everyone
aho

>>77269852
>>77268192
I am glad this thread is still going
Okay I will keep that in mind lol
Well my character is somewhat confident in her inner strength and likes to tease people but I wanted to make her like a friendly sporty coolgirl type

>>77269864
Haha this was epic bait I have to say
Although desu it could easily be a samefag cuz I would do the same thing myself to get the thread going

>>77269916
>>77269986
You're unironically based
Could I draw a picture of you as a cute anime girl?
Describe yourself to me

>>77270001
LMAOOOOO
She is so retarded that she thinks the woman is the key and not the lock
I mean I have some issues with that analogy myself but she is sooo dumb it is hilarious

>>77270227
This is the real answer
Honestly fr y'all just need to date and marry each other and have autistic babies idk what is wrong with y'all

>>77270713
>>77270981
I think men should be loyal obliviously
WHAT IS THE POINT OF PREACHING ABOUT LOYALTY TO TOUCH-STARVED VIRGINS???
Like, really?

>>77270001
This women's facial expressions remind me of the pink-haired woman at the end of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnSnEgtP6DM . The resemblance is uncanny. Does any anon have some psychological insight as to why that is? What's the significance? Why do women who are offended at men's preferences make these exaggerated expressions?
Totally unrelated, but as an ESL I find it interesting how the word "entitled" has come to mean its exact opposite. English tongue be hard

>>77269852
i love it when moids need to cope with the fact that they are virgins nd 30 and no women would ever want them, so they need to pretend that women being not being virgins is a bad thing to make themselves feel better KEK

moids daily reminder that you cannot pick and choose your time as a twink is over

>>77269852
totally irrelevant, its a foids world when it comes to dating and mate selection. and modern foids dont even want marriage, they're more than happy to live by themselves since they get social validation thrown at them left and right, they never have to worry about actual loneliness.

>>77277147
>moids daily reminder that you cannot pick and choose your time as a twink is over
at least i know i have around 7 years left

>>77269916
>yaoi
you're part of the problem

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>>77277147
Bitch I'm 20.

>>77277008
you can draw any pale skinned mousy brown haired anime girl and say it's me desu i'm generic
just make her disheveled and in pyjamas

>>77277234
it's really not a problem as long as she doesn't expect her future partner to actually fuck other guys for her amusment

>>77275513
I'm willing to bet you despite you screaming wait for marriage and don't masturbare you have a 2+ bodycount.

>>77277147
As if women actually preferred twinkfags to muscular masculine men...

>>77277604
>has never talked to chronically online zoomers

>>77269852
>Fembots, how do you feel about the phrase "no hymen no diamond"
Excellent way to filter out manbabies.

>>77277147
According to women, the vast majority of men are unattractive. The men saying these things had nothing to begin with, you however, have everything to lose. Your looks will fade, your tits will sag, and in the end you'll be just another old lady.

>>77277664
Yes because normal guys are super into dating whores.

>>77277645
Does it matter what the chronically online prefer if they never leave their basement to act on their preferences?

>>77277688
if you don't want to e-flirt and don't go to uni anymore that is a fair argument

>>77269852
The type of person that would punish who is supposed to be their best friend for being themselves must have holes in their head. Most women aren't having casual sex, so these past partners come from failed relationships. Unless you're implying that women should have precognition to know who is actually going to stick with them while dodging men who actively manipulate women at large to try and get sex from them. You're punishing them for seeking you out before they even knew you existed. If they didn't seek out relationships before they're not going to when you ask them. You're idolizing an image and an idea of a woman based on media instead of a human being, which is why some of these relationships don't work to begin with.

>>77277832
>most women aren't having casual sex
I have bad news anon....

>>77277866
What? This statement is completely true.

>>77277832
I don't understand why you equate not sticking with a girl as punishing her

>>77277941
If you're treating your girlfriend passive aggressively for not being your ideal waifu you're punishing her.

>>77270997
He should expect whatever the hell he wants. that's not your place. If you don't get a free meal ticket then it's on you.

>>77275798
>even the most depraved gooncoom unga bunga caveman at least has the potential of being cured of his porn addiction,
>she can't forget the sensations of all the different sizes and shapes of shlong she took in her reproductive prime,
NTA, (I think both demanding no porn and demanding virginity is stupid, despite being a virgin myself) but couldn't that "can't forget" also go for porn watching? Even if the man stops watching porn, he still did it in the past. He'll still have all the depraved fetishes it gave him, he'll still remember all the sexy porn actresses whose plastic bodies turned him on far more than his wife's. Any of his future sexual fantasies will be painted by the porn he watched. He may stop watching porn, but he can't unwatch the stuff he saw before.

>>77278014
Yeah maybe, but who said anything about being passive-agressive?

>>77277914
Women have more casual sex than men
This shouldn't be surprising in the slightest

>>77278014
You just said Women are human beings, so why should they be treated like they're special?

>>77277147
And yet this 'moid' has an actual social life and went to a game night/party and goes to university campuses frequently to hang out with young college girls and impress them whereas you are trying to make yourself feel good by posting on this garbage dump whenever you get bored of your cats ignoring you

>>77277832
DON'T
HAVE
SEX
BEFORE
MARRIAGE
Really, it's that fucking simple
Who raised you???

>>77269852
Men dont actually want virgin women
Virgin women are generally low status
Men get horny and more emotionally attached to women who cheat on them/cuck them/have high body counts

This is clear from how many men are constantly pining after women who cheat on and dump them

Its everywhere, in songs, in movies, in real life, on relationship forums etc etc. I see it all the time. Look at the type of gigawhores rich and famous men, athletes etc always end up with. Often literal prostitutes and ex sugar babies.

Highly sexually promiscuous women activate the competitive streak in men. All men want a trophy. They would rather have a slutty but high status + beautiful woman who is highly desired by millions of men (like Belle Delphine, Lana Rhoades, Hannah Hays etc) than an average but virgin low status woman.

Even incels are all obsessed with whores like Mayli, Ciara, Marky etc.

t. Virgin woman

>>77278090
Okay so
As a virgin dude who doesn't watch porn because he thinks it is cucking yourself I agree
BUT there is obviously a difference of degree here
Like, actually getting with a prostitute is a way worse form of cheating than looking at sexy pictures of the prostitute, right?

>>77278359
I think the issue is that actual virgin women tend to be either obese or retarded, obviously a reasonable weight and studious girl without disfigurement is going to attractive no matter what.

>>77278359
I wanna empathise with you so I am trying to see this from your perspective
I think I understand where you are coming from
That being said, I definiely think while that is true to some extent for 'normies', the anons who are posting here do not feel the same way and are repulsed by whores whether male or female
I have seen so many of their posts proving this; also the lonely men I knew and know in my life are similar
I honestly do not think the average guy even today wants to be with a girl who has onlyfans etc.
Also personally, I have always actually idealised a girl who is NOT with a bunch of guys always hitting on her and having sex constantly; for me the idea of someone who is at least somewhat in a position to appreciate me and who I can be an important friend to where our relationship actually matters to her, that is very appealing to me
I think I could share a pretty short manga story with you that if you read it, you will understand where I am coming from; I thought it was really moving
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jumyou-Wo-Kaitotte-Moratta-Ichinen-Ni-Tsuki-Ichimanen-De-chapter-1-page-1.html
Read it and let me know what you think
t. - Virgin man

>>77278341
Very rare for men to not want sex with their girlfriend . It's statistically impossible that all women would find this.

>>77278364
>Like, actually getting with a prostitute is a way worse form of cheating than looking at sexy pictures of the prostitute, right?
I think it's worse if done at a similar frequency, yeah. But I think someone who has a body count of 2 from previous, loving relationships isn't nearly as far gone as someone who has fapped to the most heinous porn daily for like 10 years straight. I think with both porn use and body count, there's levels to it rather than them just being "if you did this EVEN ONCE, you're unlovable and beyond saving."
I say this as a female virgin who watches a ton of extreme porn. I have my virginity, so by the standards of "no hymen no diamond," I'm still pure and worth marrying. But I'm almost definitely far more corrupted than a vanilla woman who's had sex within loving relationships with her previous BFs.

How do femoids always manage to take over this kind of thread with the "but you watch porn" deflection

>>77269852
Guys who say that are retarded because that's not how hymens work. Luckily those guys are bad enough at female anatomy that they could probably never figure out where the hymen actually is and what it looks like

>>77278611
Women struggle to understand the difference between reality and fantasy. To them porn is the same as a real sexual relationship because they physically can't tell the difference. They realize both give sexual pleasure but fail to differentiate how the two are entirely separate things. To women, the fact you found sexual gratification in jerking it silly to anime girls twice a day makes you the same as a whore who finds a different partner every week. It's a strange phenomenon and it's best to ignore threads like these, which usually draw them in like flies.

>>77278661
It's less about the physical hymen and more a statement about purity and wife material. Basically saying if your a whore no marriage for you.

>>77278584
you underestimate the power of sex. the retards here who are saying porn is just as bad as being fucked by random men are either whores themselves, or just have major brain damage from being dropped on their soft spot repeatedly as a baby. you take any degenerate porn-watcher and put him in his first relationship. most porn is just fantasy that you would never enjoy in actuality. stepfamily porn, anal, cucking, feet, ass-eating, whatever the fuck. it's different when you have a living, breathing, stinking human being right in front of you. WHORES are actually doing these things REGULARLY. i don't understand you people at all. some people just genuinely do not deserve to be alive.

>>77269852
It is just as legit and acceptable as
>You must be at least 6' tall
>You must make at least X amount of money
and so on

>>77269864
The vast majority of religious men in the world live this and do quite well

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>>77269864
>men who unironically say that deserve to never be in a relationship or have sex with anyone
lol

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>>77269852
That's why this is the only way nowadays

good thread op. you managed to piss off every 'femanon' on the site. im keking so hard. absolutely blown the fuck out.

>today op wasnt a faggot

>>77278958
>WHORES are actually doing these things REGULARLY.
But what I'm trying to say is that not every person who isn't a virgin is a whore. There are levels to this kind of shit. Yes, someone who is actually doing all those heinous acts in casual sex is obviously worse than someone who just watches it. But someone who has a body count of 1 because they did missionary only in a long-term relationship isn't nearly as tainted as someone with an extreme porn addiction.
If everything else is equal, yes the actual act is worse than just watching, but there are so many other factors to consider. I just think the black and white thinking of "virgin = pure wife material. Not a virgin = pornstar level whore" is stupid and naive at best. And I say this as a virgin.

>>77270130
The only issue truly is the ingesting of DNA and it getting passed onto offspring, despite who the father is (telegony). If a woman used a condom (I would never believe her) I wouldn't care too much.

>>77279316
oh yes i agree then. there are whores who either don't have the courage or opportunity to break the ice. there are sweet, kind people who get taken advantage of or just have normal amounts of sex in their relationships. i think those are the extremes though. most normal people are whores if they have the opportunity, because that is what the culture values, rewards, and supports.

>>77279316
Well, where does the difference begin and end really? No one really knows til it's too late

>>77278583
A man who wants to wait until marriage is no rarer than a virgin woman. Yet men don't ridicule women for looking for a man who's waiting for marriage. In fact that's exactly what we're telling you to do.

Just a hymen is not enough to make a woman worthy of being a wife. If she's ever done anal, oral, or digital sex then she's a nonvirgin.

>>77279316
If she was married before having sex, and has only ever had sex with her husband she is a nonvirgin who is not a whore. If she has had sex outside of marriage or more than one sexual partner then is most certainly a whore. I guess we can say there are levels to it, like whore, dirty whore, filthy whore... But the main thing defining it is >0 sex partners, only exception being she's only had sex with her husband. A whore is better than a turbo whore, sure. But she's still a whore

>>77277000
bait ???
i dont make threads about sex
but thanks for all the attention
it feels good being called a roastie when ive had no men in my life

>>77279867
Just drop the burgers and chad will notice you

>>77278100
>Women have more casual sex than men
How is that even possible? The number of casual sex encounters should balance out between men and women, unless one of the genders is having tons of gaysex.

>>77279565
>Yet men don't ridicule women for looking for a man who's waiting for marriage. In fact that's exactly what we're telling you to do.
Man, I'm not even a woman but if you think that the average person's views reflect /r9k/ then you're in for a nasty surprise when you leave your basement. Both men and women these days tend to have a "let's try it out before committing" approach. That includes travel, living together, and yes, sexual compatibility too.

>>77280249
You think they aren't all fuckin the same dude?

>>77279565
If a man said his girlfriend wouldn't sleep with him, people would tell him to break up with her.

What anime is it from?

>>77280362
Then you should clarify that you mean the number of people who have casual sex rather than the number of encounters. But anyway, do you have data on this or is it from personal experience?

>>77275798
Yeah, the anti-porn shit is retarded. Feminists will count videos as porn because that's the kind of porn that men prefer, but they won't count smut novels like 50 shades because somehow text doesn't count.

>>77278090
>depraved fetishes it gave him
>Any of his future sexual fantasies will be painted by the porn he watched
Women unironically believe this.

Why do women go on damage control mode as soon as body count is mentioned?

>>77278359
>Highly sexually promiscuous women activate the competitive streak in men. All men want a trophy. They would rather have a slutty but high status + beautiful woman who is highly desired by millions of men (like Belle Delphine, Lana Rhoades, Hannah Hays etc) than an average but virgin low status woman.
This is pure female projection. Go talk to actual men sometimes.

>>77269852
what animu is this?

>>77280674
>"men don't fantasize about the porn genres they like, they only watch porn they have zero interest in"
Idiot

>>77280718
>>"men don't fantasize about the porn genres they like, they only watch porn they have zero interest in"
That's not even remotely similar to what I wrote, you worthless moron.

You said that "Any of his future sexual fantasies will be painted by the porn he watched" is incorrect. So men just don't think about the porn they watch?

>>77277164
I somewhat agree, while it is ultimately a woman's decision who she lets inside of her (barring extreme cases like rape of course) it's also up to a man to decide who he pursues and gives attention to. I personally think that if men raised their standards again, stopping both the simping AND the manwhoring around, rejecting and shaming promiscuous women and telling them exactly why, women would be forced to adapt and we could MAYBE have a chance at setting things right in the future. You kinda alluded to it yourself when you said:

>they're more than happy to live by themselves since they get social validation thrown at them left and right

That's not likely to happen though because guys just wanna get their dicks wet, and most "chads" wouldn't give up their meat buffet. Sure there has always been promiscuity, human nature doesn't really change, but it at least used to be the expectation not even that long ago that a woman would be a virgin at marriage. If you look at the state of the world and society now, I just don't think this whole sexual liberation thing has been a net positive for us

>>77280780
Pretty much, yeah.
A porn addiction gets really bad when you start remembering names

>>77280825
At this point all you can do is just adapt and not be too attached to one Woman specifically, they are likely doing the same with you.

>>77280837
But even if you're not memorizing shit like porn stars, you're still remember the general acts and shit that got you off. Like I watch porn. I don't remember specifics but I do remember the depraved genres I liked and think about similar things next time I'm horny. There's no way that doesn't affect your sexual relationship with your partner.

>>77279600
checked and agreed
virginity also isn't the only thing to consider when choosing a woman, but for me at least, it's a prerequisite

>>77280780
Nice backpedaling from your claim that all future sexual fantasies will be based on the porn. I wonder what kind of goalpost moving you're going to do next?
But to your question, not really... You find some porn, do the deed, and forget about it until the next time. I don't think many men get attached to porn stars like they're girlfriends or something. I typically don't remember their names, for example.
And I absolutely don't believe that weird fetishes come from porn. I've had years where I watched a lot and years where I watched very little of it, there was no effect on my sexual preferences. The only way my porn watching has gotten more extreme is extreme video resolution. When I encounter a fetish video for something that doesn't arouse me, I just find it weird and off-putting. I think that people who say that porn gave them fetishes are retarded copers, trying to blame something outside of themselves for fetishes they've already had.
All of this only applies to men of course, it's possible that women's sexuality is more flexible. But regardless, I think it's extremely hypocritical that women seethe about porn but don't want to give up their romance novels/movies. If men watching young and thin pornstars gives them unrealistic standards, what about women who dream of romance with billionaires, pirates, CEOs, or surgeons? That's a far more unrealistic standard.

>>77280923
>Nice backpedaling from your claim that all future sexual fantasies will be based on the porn. I wonder what kind of goalpost moving you're going to do next?
How did I backpedal? Yes, if he thinks about the porn, it's probably gonna affect his fantasies.
>I typically don't remember their names, for example.
I didn't mean shit like specific porn actresses, but more like general acts and reoccurring themes among videos
>And I absolutely don't believe that weird fetishes come from porn. I've had years where I watched a lot and years where I watched very little of it, there was no effect on my sexual preferences.
Fair enough, I'm a woman so maybe it's different but while I've always had fucked fantasies even before finding porn, I feel like porn has definitely helped reinforce some fetishes or expose me to new ones. Even when I go for a while without watching any, I've still got some kinks that I didn't know prior to porn. I don't even have a porn addiction, so I feel like it would probably be worse for those who do.
>But regardless, I think it's extremely hypocritical that women seethe about porn but don't want to give up their romance novels/movies.
I don't hate porn, I watch it myself, I just think that virginity isn't the only thing that can hurt one's sexual relationships with their partner.

>>77279007
It's actually an even less demanding standard than height
You can't change your height, but every woman on the planet is born with her virginity

>>77281019
>I just think that virginity isn't the only thing that can hurt one's sexual relationships with their partner.
I just think that virginity or the lack thereof isn't the only thing that can affect one's sexual relationships with their partner.*
I don't think being a virgin hurts someone's relationship.

>>77275836
It's crazy how you can make fucking a woman sound so gay

>>77281019
>How did I backpedal?
From every sexual fantasy being based on the porn to there being some effect sometimes. But anyway, we can drop this one, you're more reasonable than I expected from the previous post that I thought was an extreme misrepresentation of what I said. Sorry for coming on so harshly.
>more like general acts and reoccurring themes among videos
I guess... but these are themes I was into since puberty, before I found porn, so I don't think it makes much of a difference. If I wasn't into it from the start, I wouldn't seek it out.
>I've still got some kinks that I didn't know prior to porn.
Hm, interesting. For me it's different, I found porn late and I can recall being into all of my current sexual interests before that. So I'm very skeptical of the claim that porn gives men fetishes rather than just showing them what fetishes they have. But I guess for women it may be different?
>I just think that virginity isn't the only thing that can hurt one's sexual relationships with their partner.
Yeah, that's fair enough.

>>77275913
Yeah anon, a special relationship is something completely ethereal that has nothing to do with any sort of material conditions

Where do this sort of retard comes from

>>77281029
Yeah, there's a running theme of comparing women's choices to men's innate characteristics. Being a slut, or being fat etc. are a result of choices and lifestyle, and it literally is all your fault if you can't find a good mate because of it. A demanding standard for a woman that's truly equivalent to a man's height would be something like saying she must have wide hips or big tits, not simply holding her to basic lifestyle and health standards. Of course this isn't complained about nearly as much because very few women are filtered by immutable physical standards alone.

>>77281110
Ok it's a little melodramatic but the point still stands
I guess it's just what happens when you view sex as something to be taken seriously with your one and only instead of like some cheap thrill McDonald's value meal junk food animalistic pounding with whoever will give it up

>>77280887
I mean I just looked for the video with the nicest butt, skip to that part and move on. Dunno what freaky tranny/ shitty shit the rest of you guys are on

>>77281191
Is it really impossible for there to be an in-between here? Like, it doesn't have to be this idyllic soulful connection; you are just mushing your privates after all. But it can be an important indicator of trust and compassion, and it's possible to feel those things for multiple people over the course of your life.

>>77269852
makes me sad how men have to turn a unique experience like sharing first time intimacy with someone you love into another tool to humiliate women with or present as something solely transactional

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>>77281265
WHAT?! Where are you getting this?

>>77270001
thousand cock stare, every time

>>77281312
you don't use this phrase to show the significance of wanting your woman to share their first time with you in the context of a long stable marriage. you use it to humiliate and devalue women. you use it to force it into people's minds that it's not something you value because how priceless sharing this level of closeness with your life partner is, but because in your mind it's a transaction. it's sad and depressing.

>>77281117
>Sorry for coming on so harshly.
My bad for getting so defensive, too.
>I guess... but these are themes I was into since puberty, before I found porn
Fair enough. I found porn in my teens and I know while I always was into the same general themes even prior to porn, porn definitely exposed me to specific acts within said themes that I'd never really thought of before, and then those eventually became pretty big fetishes of their own.
Though I'm a virgin myself, so maybe I'm overestimating how much of an effect porn can have on a relationship and underestimating how much of an effect virginity can have just based on my assumptions (but most people in this thread are probably virgins as well, so I doubt most people here are talking from first-hand experience).

>>77281380
nta but I use it to trigger sluts and sluts appreciators on dem boards

Personally I don't care about any of those considerations because I already missed my shot

>>77280697
I mean I'm a virgin but I think the idea that I'm perfectly pure now, but if I don't make the right choice for my very first committed relationship I'll become a dirty whore is stupid.

>>77281222
Sure, I wouldn't say nonvirgin women are totally unworthy or undeserving of love or anything like that, and obviously people have wildly different views on this whole thing, I just think that it's something best shared with one person that you've really come to know and love and trust, and that the frequent tearing and reforming of these powerful emotions from relationship to relationship has pretty negative consequences for everybody involved. This is just one reason why people used to typically wait until marriage to have sex or even move in together. A man who is actually willing to make that sort of commitment is far more likely to take his wife and their relationship seriously. Yes, nothing is guaranteed, and there are sometimes virgin wives that cheat after 10 years of marriage, but virgin couples demonstrably have the highest rates of marital satisfaction and lowest divorce rates

>>77281434
You want to have your cake and eat it, very womanly

>>77281380
Well yeah. Men tend to not like being punked into marriages constantly plagued sexlessness and comparisons to previous lovers. So I guess that's why the phrase exists.

>>77281434
I don't mind it as long as you're not hung up on your ex or whatever

>>77281482
How many people marry their first bf/gf?

>>77281519
I don't know, I don't care and it's not my problem

>>77281497
the superficiality at which most of this board takes stuff like sexual purity and the cause of lack of affection in marital relationships and relationships in general really does make the name suitable.

>>77281380
>it's not something you value because how priceless sharing this level of closeness with your life partner is, but because in your mind it's a transaction

Can it not be both? Are transactions inherently evil? The phrase "no hymen no diamond" exists because it's catchy and the hymen is traditionally associated with virginity. Women can lose their hymens before having sex, and some women aren't born with hymens at all. While on the other hand, the diamond is necessarily a literal diamond, it's representative of commitment. Is it really that reprehensible for a man to not want to swear eternal love and loyalty to a woman that couldn't preserve that priceless, intimate experience and pact of love for her husband?

>>77281543
*isn't necessarily a literal diamond

>>77280887
it's literally just cumming to the sight of a hole for 5 minutes and then moving on with your day because you're not distracted anymore.

>>77281164
>any random woman who meets these generic material conditions is special
Retard. You are basically saying that you can have a special relationship with all women as long as you start dating early enough.

>>77281572
>something I did not say
>a bunch of stupid shit

Shut up

>>77280448
Because they're incompatible. Not because she's "wrong" for wanting to wait until marriage.
Whereas men absolutely are told that they are straight up wrong for wanting their partner to be a virgin.

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>>77269864
anything else roastie? I am a firm believer of no hymen no diamond. these girls lately want to roleplay as a trad christian then you better be one when it comes to sex as well. if you aint a virgin you are a grifter

>>77281582
>goes full damage control because he never had a meaningful relationship
Whore

>>77281588
You are cherry picking. Women are told they are wrong no matter what they do. The problem with wanting a virgin is that you probably never hang out with virgins if you say that shit often. It just wouldnt be something you make a big deal out of if it was a normal part of your life already

>>77281617
You are the stupidest retard in here

>>77281632
Go be a retarded troll somewhere else

>>77275836
>>77281465
I agree with this unironically, I want to give my all to her, but if she's already given all of her to how many other people, then it's simply not as special to have, the importance is the depth of the emotional connection, and promiscuous people place much less importance on it, it's just sad to see

>>77281543
every relationship is transactional at its core, it's just that a healthy relationship no matter the context or time frame is between people equally valuing each other's efforts and sharing the burden of life with each other. sure marriage is and has been also a financial pact but viewing this particular experience in the most mechanical sense which is "you abide by what I deem to be traditional and feminine, and I will monetarily reward you for it" is a quite non romantic and sad imho. sure it might be reality more often than not, but outright giving up on the romanticism of sharing a life time with each other is just depressing.
and my point still stands, you aren't using it to point to any of those values. virgin femanons in this threads have already pointed it out how it's actually something you don't know how to handle, are people going to assume somehting is wrong with your sexuality? same goes for women who don't adhere to that view as they must all be sexually corrupt. this is a tool men use solely to debase women and nothing more.

>>77281679
Transactional relationships are different from romantic or familial relationships. There is a difference between sharing a financial budget, and giving someone money for sex and their time. You are mentally retarded and your mom was a trophy wife. Transactional relationships almost never work out, because people will always value their own input higher than someone else does. Every person in a transactional relationship will feel like they get a bad deal.

In a marriage, two people become one entity. There is no transaction, you are just moving together through life and raising a new family

>>77281679
I understand where you're coming from, but maybe to a man it's not romantic for a woman to share her most intimate and vulnerable self with multiple other men instead of her husband that she's agreed to marry after really coming to know, love, and trust him. Commitment doesn't just entail monetary reward and protection, there's so much more to it than that. Affection, attention, intimacy, respect, adoration, loyalty forever for one person that you've sworn yourself to. Maybe I'm a retard, but that's far more romantic to me than being caught up in the rapture of fleeting emotions and enjoying the company of and playing house with a different man every few years

>>77281785
you didn't understand the type of transaction I'm talking about. not every transaction is monetary and material transaction.
sure parts form something bigger than their sum, but that one entity still has parts connection and working with each other. if they aren't satisfied or recognized on their own, that whole cannot last long.

>>77281519
All my grandparents did. All my aunts and uncles did. My parents did. Only recently has it become something mythical to just marry and be stable.

>>77281833
the reality of this is that it's all ideals, but it's the beauty in tradition that you would like to chase even just for aestheticism. sure it's not pleasant to spend life without a long term partner, but a lot of traditional marriages were full of issues too.
my whole point is how crude this phrase is in comparison to the supposed traditional value it's supposed to be based on. this is how I feel about it, knowing the value it's supposed to imitate.

>>77281966
>how crude this phrase is

nta but I don't think anybody would disagree it's a crude phrase

But that's one of its strengths, having a shock value

>>77281981
sure but op asked for my opinion. I don't like this whole discourse cause it's not talking about the core issue much. it's not even a discourse it's just one side calling the other slurs and the other arguing about hymens.

>>77281399
That's interesting. I haven't experienced such an effect from porn, but if you have then that makes your assumptions more understandable.
The 4chan really got to me, I should work on being kinder and less quick to anger...

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This has been a good thread, lots of good discussion even amongst the insults and outrage, which is to be expected when it comes to such a contentious and divisive topic.

>>77282582
It's all good, I enjoyed our discussion. I am curious how much of the difference in porn's influence depends on things like gender, age when you discovered it, type of porn you watch, etc. Given that our experiences were fairly different and I'm a woman who discovered porn at a younger age (and who has fairly extreme genre preferences), while you're a guy who discovered it later on.