>>82353852
this is old tho

religion hasnt played a major role in human development for a few hundred years now so theres no reason for people to be as obsessed as they are

>>82353891
possibly. but secularism has played a key role in pretty much every form of degeneracy and moral relativism. a lot of people literally don't understand family values or why some behaviors are objectively evil until it's too late.

>religion is fiction
>uses fiction as a goal to achieve
kek

>>82353907
religion is the only real thing in that metaphor thoughever. it's much bigger than humanity or some meaningless light switch.

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My heckerino matter teleportator don't exist because of religion

>>82353852
a very tired subject anon. you should've made this thread in like 2010, then it would've taken off. reddit fedora atheism hasn't been in the spotlight since like 2014 at least.

>>82353852
>atheists
you don't believe in god either

the smarter thing to do is to actually follow religion because the alternative is living in a deeply uncaring world with no afterlife. none of that matters though, god is real it's just not the one in our religions, and yeah it probably doesn't have any plans for us in our current form or when we decay. the idea that humans are soooo important god is watching us and judging us really speaks to human narcissism and hubris.

>>82354197
>the smarter thing to do is to make up what happens and pretend like you believe it
this is just therapy with extra steps and a higher chance of going schizo

>>82354210
are you saying it would be smarter to pretend like you don't believe what you know?

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>>82353901
>humanity
fixed it for you.

>>82354230
There's no racism in star trek which means faggots like you need to die off first

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>>82353920
>circumcise your kids or else they won't know true family values!

>>82354746
>No racism in star trek
You never saw Picard did you.

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i cant take anybody that believes in a personal god seriously. i just see them as willfully ignorant subhumans. there is no place for faith in this world anymore. it's a filthy delusion.

>>82355184
The apostle Peter on circumcision:
Why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Acts 15:10

>>82355655
>there is no place for faith in this world
Untrue, since all worldviews are fundamentally unprovable to anyone besides yourself.

>>82355780
i'm not appealing to reason. i'm appealing to the spirit of the age. pretending that god isn't dead is a betrayal of the ethos in the world's bones

>>82355787
>i'm appealing to the spirit
So, "there is no place for faith" is an ironic statement?

>>82355732
And yet, how many million Christians are circumcised?

>>82355823
That's exactly the sort of shit that Kierkegaard was complaining about.

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>>82353852
>they're smart because they don't believe in sky daddy
It's the other way around. They don't believe in spooks and goblins because they are smart.

Yahweh is stupid, made-up trash by a tribe of illiterates that beat each other to death with rocks for minor infractions.

That garbage has no place in modern life. Literally all of the Torah is monstrous. Slavery, rape, child murder, genocide. If the "bad" parts of the Torah are okay to ignore then logically all of it is okay to ignore. Which you should. Fuck desert religions and all of their terrible spin-offs.

>>82353891
Yes it did, religion is heavily influential in politics and still decide elections

>>82353897
You speak like a conservative who thinks being free to love is degeneracy.
The irony of your own hypocrisy: you are the degenerate. You have no idea what family values are about. You live in a nightmare incel world of your own making.

>>82355732
he literally raped kids and killed and tortured people, but had a revelation and became the author of half your religion lmao.

>>82355884
Conservatives aren't free from degeneracy and moral relativism. By definition, legislating behavior like porn use or abortion rather than relying on religion to do it is moral relativism, because you're saying that one thing is less bad than the other rather than relying on the absolutist standard of the word of God: "Who am I to judge those outside the church?" And the RNC crashed Grindr last year.

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>>82355905
>The Apostle Peter, the first pope, literally raped kids and killed and tortured people
Citation needed

>>82355780
>all worldviews are fundamentally unprovable
Bullshit. There's much reliability in consistent experimentation and no run for phoney magic power humans.

>>82355912
Sorry I mistook him for Paul, my mistake

this world run by sociopathic pedophiles. they dont need religion no more, they control everything.

>>82355908
Conservatives are mostly hypocritical creatures who enjoy every brand of hedonistic pleasure known to man, but still pose behind a facade of prudishness to condemn others for doing openly what they do in the dark

>>82355916
There is indeed much reliability, but it's still fundamentally unprovable.

>>82355926
Sociopathic pedophiles created religion and ruled it for centuries

>>82355934
The reliability is the closest thing to universal proof we will ever have. We built science upon it and changed the world accordingly.
Religion, as usual, only served to hold us back in stagnation

>>82355946
>closest
But you admit it then, that you can't really prove anything.
Galileo, Newton, Darwin, and Einstein were all theists.

>>82355846
Why is the Bible so incomplete, falliable, and incomprehensible?

>>82355963
You could ask the same question of a rock. People are the ones who foist meaning on inanimate objects.

>>82355957
Yes of course you can't prove not even that you're real and not just a computer daydreaming, but anon... Is that useful? That's almost nihilistic. Nothing can be proved. So what? Where you go from there?
We take what's reliable and we go from there. Scientific observations are reliable. Ancient myths are not. You take enough observations, you fly to space, cure diseases, teach machines to think.
You take enough myth, your society stagnates and turns into religion fueled dystopia.

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I'm an IQ 138 physicist and I believe in God and Jesus unironically.

I actually got a degree in physics to see if anything in the program contradicted with God and it didn't.
This cemented my idea that atheists are simply IQ 100 people who have adopted atheism because it's fashionable.
Atheists never think for themselves, they never question the dogma they've been spoonfed.

>>82355957
>didn't admit to atheism in a time when that was punishable by banishment or death
>they must love da Jee-zus

Sometimes lying to avoid the ire of stupid people is the smartest move.

>>82355985
Your IQ shuts off when it comes to believing magic was possible then. The upbringing did it to you

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>>82353852
>religion is preventing us from reaching Start Trek future

Good.
You fags also forget that religion could've saved us from LGBT, Pride, made-up genders, made-up sexualities, feminism, inceldom, AI, social media...

Everything in 2025 is fucked because we traded Christianity for LGBT.
If you think religion is child abuse just ask yourself what is it when you force 5-year-olds to question their sexual identity.

I kinda understand why the state would enforce religion on its people. Maybe it should.

>>82355981
>Scientific observations are reliable. Ancient myths are not.
Scientific observations never gave me a wife after I preyed to them. Christianity works for me after I've experimented with it. I have found the ancient myths to have reality. If you can't really prove your worldview is fundamentally more correct than mine, than how can you argue? I am as utterly incapable of convincing you of my worldview as you are of mine, but please believe me when I say that this is the point that I'm driving home: Both of these are valid worldviews. Let me do what works for me.

>>82355957
>Galileo
Literally persecuted by the church and lived in house arrest to escape from the fire. You could not have given a worse example.
How many of these men would be theists if they lived with the freedom to be atheists,or had been brought up in societies that harboured atheism in their childhoods, rather than theism?

>>82355985
>anything in the program contradicted with God and it didn't.
Except for the talking snake

>>82356025
>Literally persecuted by the church and lived in house arrest to escape from the fire. You could not have given a worse example.
Galileo is a great example actually, because he was a devout Catholic despite persecution. I'm not defending Catholicism, just saying that faith doesn't come through a church.

>>82356006
And the religious want you to breed more soldiers for god's army. You could even start a whole new country with that.
Religion could never save us from queer people not even when it held all power. We are an integral part of nature and will always exist.

>>82356030
>bro doesn't talk to snakes
sssssad

>>82356005
These discussions are always based on straw manning:
>religion is damb, magic, dude sitting on a cloud haha
>atheism is free thinking and so smart hooray for science

In reality 99% of atheists never came to the conclusion on their own. I know a lot of plumbers and truck drivers who are atheists even though they clearly dont possess the brain power to invent atheism themselves. They're just copying it from their peers. They would've done differently in the 1800s.
People just let their emotions choose the most popular belief system of the time and then try to find rationalizations for it. This is the wrong order of events.

>>82356031
A "devout" in a time where not being one could mean a torturous death.
You know nothing about his feelings other than what he was allowed to showcase. Who would be Galileo with the freedom of disbelief, if even in his epoch he challenged the powers at be?

>>82356031
Faith is a feeling and when you subscribe to organized religion and ancient literature, your faith and "church" become one, whatever "church" that is.

>>82356052
You can make another thread about alternate history, but that doesn't change what Galileo believed

>>82356006
>we traded Christianity for LGBT.
Nigga lies are the tool of the devil
There's a fucking church at every corner where LGBT people aren't fully welcome. Who's worshipping the rainbow?
You live in the internet

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>>82356038
>we
Fun fact: 10 years ago nobody on 4chan was gay.

What you need to understand about your "pride" is that you are literally no different from pedos.
And I'm not trying to be rude, it's a psychological fact that everything but heterosexuality is a bug in your programming. We should stop celebrating errors.
Why is it so hard for you people to understand that you're a bit broken? I'm autistic, I can accept that I'm a bit broken. But for some reason you trans intersex helicopters claim that you're actually perfect and everyone needs to be like you.
>inb4 you get mad over this and demand more rainbow flag pushing in society
Pride is a religion.

>>82356059
>your faith and "church" become one
Absolutely unscriptural. Many books of the New Testament contain instructions to new churches on their missteps and how they could be doing better.

>>82356063
What Galileo believed under the threat of burning alive
You know nothing about his beliefs. You know he knew the church was lying

>>82356074
The scripture is the church. They're one. The reason why there's a thousand different churches is a reflection of the fragmented nature of the bible and its many authors with conflicting biases and viewpoints.

>>82356084
The reason for the church splitting is the devil ackshually and it's the people who are the church, the scripture is just their law

>>82356068
>10 years ago nobody on 4chan was gay.
Another lie. I've been on the chan since 2012 and I've always been gay and there wasn't a single moment in the history of this place where there was shortage of gays.
The typical boomer tactic "back in my days there were no gays"
Bitches ne saying that for millennia

>>82356102
the devil doesn't exist. The reason the church split is because it was never whole to begin with. The bible itself, from its hebrew origin, is a patchwork of different authors with completely different theological standpoints, and it goes back to Genesis

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You guys forget that I'm older than you. I'm 35 years old, probably 10-20 years older than anyone else in this thread.

I understand this debate on a much deeper level than you guys.
It's not about what seems rational on the surface. This debate should always be about this question:
>Which belief leads us to a happier society?

I saw the 1900s. I saw the early 2000s. And it was marvelous. There were no incels or outcasts. Every guy got a wife at 18 years old. Women didn't walk outdoors in revealing clothing or shake their ass on Tiktok for money, they were modest, respectable. Kids werent cutting their dicks off because some fag told them genders dont exist.
Times were simpler with religion. There was a man, there was a woman, there was a purpose. You got married, had kids, went to work, helped others in need, socialized with other families and held Christian gatherings with them. Everyone was just happy.
Now? People are alone, mentally ill, socializing only on the Internet where they mainly just shit on each other. 30-50% of men will never have sex. Women are lesbians until at 30 years old they start screeching when they realize they're infertile and demand that science give them their youth back.
The list is endless.
Atheist times are clearly not happy times, and our society started collapsing after just 20 years of LGBT and atheism. Funnily enough, the Bible predicted this.
And it's gonna get worse. Every year is worse.

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>>82356122
>>Which belief leads us to a happier society?
Was society happier under religion
Or it simply silenced the voices of the unhappy under the deafening cacophony of blind worship?

>>82356107
Still, your sexuality is nothing to be celebrated or feel pride over.
I mean, I'm straight, and I'm not allowed to be proud of that either. If I post on /lgbt/ about Straight Pride, I get banned or called a racist bigot.
Wow such tolerance.
>we accept EVERY sexuality and all people
>oh but not you guys ofc
>and not you either
>aaand you guys go in the trash as well
The Pride movement is the most intolerant movement I've ever seen, the inconsistencies just piss me off so much

>>82356122
>society will be happier if you cut the baby's foreskin off
jew mythology. Not even once

>>82356127

That's gaslighting. Kinda like saying we have more trans people now because "they're allowed to be themselves."
No, we have more trannies because kids are impressionable.

>>82356120
>the devil doesn't exist.
If the devil doesn't exist, then I dare you to do the ritual from Le Grande Grimoire

>>82356122
>it was marvelous.
Pure nostalgia. Literally ravaging wars going all all over the world, but you were blinded by your own offline shelteredness.
9/11 represents what the 90s were really about.

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>>82356141
>we have more trans people now because "they're allowed to be themselves."
That's 100% true.
You will never know how happy were the deeply religious societies of medieval Europe simply because you don't take the happiness of the heretics and apostates and witches burning at the stake into account.
All you see is a world where you could own women

Should the general population be controlled?
Absolutely.
The average person is IQ 100 and half are even below that.
Face it, humans are not ready to be free in the most extreme sense of the word.
The Internet was a mistake, free speech was a mistake, AI was a mistake...

Fuck off with your childish freedom fantasies. You're not ready to be free. You can't handle freedom.
You're like a teenager who wants to drink alcohol but needs guidance and boundaries.
YOU need boundaries.

>>82356159
>That's 100% true.

It's actually 0% true. It's simply gaslighting and you're only saying that because you're evil and want kids to cut their dicks off.
Trans movement is child abuse. They're teaching 4-year-olds things they should not hear about.
Not much different from pedophilia.

>>82356141
>because kids are impressionable
Funny how somehow kids are impressionable to become queer, but this influence doesn't work the other way around? Can't they be influenced to become cis and straight?
Which makes us think how could there ever be a trans person born inside church, from a religious nut family and upbringing, with all the influence in the world to be normal, and they still ended up queer.
Almost like it wasn't external influence at all that decided their fate, but something else entirely.

>>82356179
It's actually 100% true. Imagine my surprise that the religious nut is also a transphobe.
It's your book that tells you to cut off baby's penises. Not mine. Mine says "don't be a bully to trans children" when you obviously believe they should have the trans bullied out of them.

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>>82356159

>witches burning at the stake
>hurr durr religion killed people

Stupidest straw man ever. Jesus - the source of Christianity - never wanted anything like that to happen.
He preached a message of tolerance and empathy.
Evil warlords in the middle ages used Christianity to subjugate the masses but that is hardly the fault of Jesus or Christianity.

I'm actually amazed you super smart atheists can't see the difference.
I mean, if somebody decides to kill in the name of your posts, how is it your fault?
Atheists are fucking dumb.

>>82356179
>They're teaching 4-year-olds things they should not hear about.
At church. Teaching children horrible things like they're going to hell for disbelief or unconformity.
That's child abuse and that actually happens, right now in every church in every corner.
Unlike your accusation of 4 year olds being taught to "be trans" which is currently only happening inside your mind. Just like the religion you believe in, it's merely a delusion

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>>82356180
>>82356186

If you had been born just 10-15 years earlier, you wouldn't be trans or supporting "trans rights".
Like I said, this whole thing is pretty funny if you're a bit older.
Back in my day it was fashionable to be emo, now you kids just wear skirts and eat hormones because you think being in the wrong body is a real thing. It's not, you're just mentally ill. Your condition is just as real as any mental illness.
And your life expectancy is like 30 so you should really think about that.

>>82356201
>>82356186
>>82356180

Teaching a child about Jesus gives the child a life expectancy of 85 years.
Teaching a child about transgenderism gives the child 25 years of miserable existence.

Did you come to this Earth just to cry about your gender and kill yourself at 25? What a marvelous existence. You will never be a woman, anon.

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>>82356197
>religion killed people
It did, plenty. Millions actually. It doesn't matter what jesus wanted, he's long dead. Any ideology that he had was coopted by Rome and disfigured, defiled, turned into that horrible book you call the bible.
>He preached a message of tolerance
He also said that he was bringing not peace, but a sword. He said he was bound to put son against father, daughter against mother, like the cultist he was, telling others to forsake family and follow him. he expelled the merchants with violence. He told you to mutilate body parts. He was, just like every character in the bible, an amalgamation of different records, with different perspectives, fragmented and overall messy.
People using religion for violence isn't a bug, it's a feature. It's by design. That's what religion is for. Good and evil have always existed. It takes religion to disguise evil as something good.

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>>82353852
Atheist fart sniffers come up with their own retarded religion to stifle society, like worshipping blacks or trannies or immigrants

>>82356237
>Teaching a child about Jesus gives the child a life expectancy of 85 years.
Another complete lie.
Teaching a child your hebrew mythology can greatly shorten their lifespan if they don't fit in the tight sarcophagus of religion. Then they will know only ostracism and hate, like you're giving off here

>>82356242
>Good and evil have always existed. It takes religion to disguise evil as something good.
You use the words "good" and "evil" like you think they have some kind of absolutist meaning, but I defy you to define it. If you have no absolutist underpinning, then it's perfectly valid to call evil things good and vice versa, but it's the fundamentalists who are absolutists.

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>>82356246
It is completely rational that I call a person a pregnant man because they want to, and they make that job easy by looking like a man. It's a common courtesy. your hatred for trannies blinds you.

>>82356242
>>religion killed people
>It did, plenty. Millions actually

Are you naive and dumb enough to think that people wouldn't kill each other over any excuse?
We're living atheist times and there are several wars going on in the world as we speak.
If anything, the Christian message is the best attempt to STOP wars instead of igniting them.
It's weird how nobody understands what I understand. I guess it's because I'm IQ 138 and have a degree in physics. You just need to read what Jesus said and think if it makes sense or not, if you're a sensible person you will agree with him.

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>>82356260
>absolutist meaning
Absolute? Never. They have meaning to me, and it's relative to each single person.
For example, for me, burning someone alive is an act of abject evil
For a christian, however, it can be a holy deliverance of justice, and therefore good.

>>82356249
>Teaching a child your hebrew mythology can greatly shorten their lifespan if they don't fit in the tight sarcophagus of religion. Then they will know only ostracism and hate, like you're giving off here

Yeah I kind of predicted you'd say something like "our life expectancy is short because you people are oppressing us and making us kill ourselves."
Basically you're saying my posts here are killing you off. If that's true, and this post RIGHT HERE is enough for you to roll over and die, you're so weak it's on you. Are you that weak, anon?

However, the real truth is that there was never any oppression. You have always hated yourself, been ashamed of yourself, and simply project your inner shame to be caused by me. Kinda like feminists who claim women are oppressed when they actually objectify and oppress themselves. In reality men worship women and put them on a pedestal.

>>82356274
Maybe you shouldn't use words like "good" or "evil" if they're nonprecise and relativistic like that.

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>>82356266
That religion is the 1st go to excuse for genocide should be your first warning sign.
That your holy book has direct orders for genocide should be your second warning.
At this point you are simply ignoring all the red flags of religion. It is a tool for evil, and it is so by design, not by a human corruption of the original meaning.
The original meaning is evil in its core.

>>82356285
I missed the part of the definition of "good" and "evil" that called for absolutism.
Good and evil has always been imprecise, even for people who claim to follow divine law. There's whole conflicting sects that dispute over the definition

>>82356288

Organized religion != personal faith in Jesus

You're too dumb to understand and simply a jesuphobe.

>>82356291
>Good and evil has always been imprecise
Incorrect, Christianity specifically says that only God is good and decides what is good, and so it's absolutist in that "God is absolutely good" is the foundation of its fundamentalism. Non-fundamentalists are the ones who call good and evil relative.

>>82356266
>We're living atheist times and there are several wars going on
As opposed to the religious times where there were several wars going on too? Or you are aware of a period of human history devoid of war? Not even your holy book is so naive. There's murder from the very first family.
The lesson being that religion was never meant to stop wars, but to channel them to one's advantage

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I like how young people in 2025 have such polarized and extreme views on everything.

Everything is always absolute evil or absolute good in your eyes.
>RIght wing, left wing
>Gay, straight
>Christianity, atheism

Goddamn you kids will not build a lasting society.
What you dont understand is that Facebook feeds made you like this by pumping you with propaganda

t. 35 year old

>>82356306

>God doesn't exist because humans have used God as an excuse for wars

I don't follow this logic of yours.

>>82356302
I love how small minded christians like you forget that there was a whole world before the bible. There were people living before your holy book had been invented yet. These people had concepts of good and evil too and they changed a lot with time and place.
I know your religion thrives on your ignorance, but certainly you can admit that there was time before your religion was invented.

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I once said that 1+1=2 and anons started several wars over this statement of mine.

Does it follow that I'm evil and my teachings were evil?

>>82356302
>only God is good and decides what is good
And yet his own followers can't decide on the right interpretation, even the so called fundamentalists.
It seems as if the definitions are not as clear cut as you make them to be

>>82356320
I never said that the bible defines good and evil, I said that God does, and people have been religious as long as we've been archeologically recognizable as people, for tens of thousands of our years.

>>82356312
you're really not following. The hebrew god is warmongering. It's not that people are using him as an excuse. It's his bidding that people wage wars, he commanded it.

>>82356320
>small minded christians like you
>small minded
>literally just spouts entry level realizations like "organized religion is le bad!!! le middle ages!!!"

So far this thread has been a huge letdown. I'm not seeing any clever arguments just level 1 stuff that any IQ 60 person could say

>>82356326
Of course the followers can't, because only God is good.

>>82356325
>conservative men be like: it is bad that women are having a lot of sex but without me

>>82356332
>still not an argument in sight

>>82356331
>warmongering!!!!!!!!

You dont see the irony.
This thread IS part of the same warmongering. It's just that because we're on the Internet we're not physically fighting.
You want to rip me to shreds but this is just the modern way to do it over the same fucking topics.
And sorry but you guys started it. The provoking party is always the atheist, every time. Atheism is not a religion of peace

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>>82356344
>And sorry but you guys started it. The provoking party is always the atheist, every time. Atheism is not a religion of peace
Bruh


Wat


Also: bruh

>>82356344

Good point
>anons whine about medieval people having fought over religion
>they dont see that it's 2025 and they're still emotionally tantruming and hating each other and wanting to nuke each other off the face of the Earth

Nothing has changed. It's human nature to hate. Jesus was different though, he spread a message of loving your enemy.
That's something you guys cant do. You've been told 2000 years to stop fighting but you just dont get it.
You just dont get it.
Your IQ is too low to stop fighting.

>>82356333
Not good enough to make it clear, apparently, since not one person can properly interpret the definition of goodness and therefore make the proper judgment
But you see this is the same god that let you 500 verses about how to sacrifice goats and make rituals with their blood, how to trade cattle, how to punish promiscuous women...
There's clearly a very thematic difference in what god chooses to specify in the bible, vs what he chooses to leave in ambiguity.

>>82356353
>Your IQ is too low to stop fighting.
Leave the peaceful tards out of this

>>82356344
Humans are a greedy lot, and we are destined to wage war
And so the gods we created shared our thirst for blood

>>82356359
Hmm if you don't have an absolutist definition of good, then that's all fine

>>82356353
>he spread a message of loving your enemy
Not everything he did or said was loving though. He did use violence to get what he wanted.

>>82356353
It's because Jesus didn't simply say "stop fighting", he said "stop fighting and worship me, or very bad things will happen to you"
That kinda ruined the mood

>>82356373
It's almost like there is no absolutist definition of good, and not even the people who claim to have that definition can agree on it

>>82356344
Notice how the person on behalf of religion has been lying the most in the thread, through and through. Yet he claims ownership of divine truth!
While atheists have been more truthful.
It's a metaphor of how religion corrupts things, and then hides it under hypocrisy.

>>82356391
The bible is clear: "God is good" and "There is no person who is good, not even one." So it's entirely self-consistent that many people agree on this version of fundamentalism but not how to implement it.

>>82356327
>I said that God does,
How? How does god defines good and evil? Through his word, which is everything you know about him. And he didn't do a very good job at defining it. It's alright, he's only human.

>>82356296
>Organized religion != personal faith in Jesus
That where you disagree.
Personal faith in jesus relies on the bible
The bible IS organized religion.
You are part of organized religion on the eyes of everyone but your own

>>82356283
>there was never any oppression
Curiously enough the bible is also responsible for a good chunk of queer persecution. At least 1500 years, and millions of victims.
It's no wonder that even today, the transphobe is a champion of christ.

>>82356408
>How? How does god defines good and evil? Through his word, which is everything you know about him. And he didn't do a very good job at defining it. It's alright, he's only human.
That's why people are supposed to pray.

>>82356197
>Jesus - the source of Christianity - never wanted anything like that to happen.
>He preached a message of tolerance and empathy.
Not entirely. He also preached dissent and division and he was an apocalyptic jew who believed the world was ending. His views can be very toxic at points, you actually retained some of that toxicity

>>82356219
>Your condition is just as real as any mental illness.
So pretty much real and treatable with modern medicine? Got it
Gaslighting victims is fun and all but trannies are mentioned in the bible before you go around calling it a passing fancy.

>>82356431
Prayer doesn't change the lies of the bible, anon. I think that's only a cope. You might as well be doing behavioral therapy. Praying so hard you start believing. and you have the nerve to call trannies delusional

>>82356404
>God is good
>Doesn't make it clear what "good" actually is
God is genocidal. I guess that's part of being good?
Expected from a flawed book.

>>82356450
>>82356459
I'm not saying that the bible is complete. It's completely valid to say that the bible doesn't tell us everything, and that's why prayer is important for believers: get the rest of the message.

>>82356404
If everything that god does is good, does that include the war crimes?
If only god can do despicable things and still be good because he is god,that is just might makes right

>>82356465
You going from worshipping a book as divine to admitting it is incomplete (flawed) is actual character development. Perhaps the seed of doubt is already germinating in your heart. Maybe the only thing that holds your faith now is fear of consequence, the dirtiest roman trick to push their newfound religion, something so evil not even jews were capable of writing: eternal hell for dissidents

>>82356469
It's not the evil things themselves that are good but rather how they turn out when they're over.

>>82356465
Except you're not really getting any answers from prayers. When logic no longer supports fairy tales, you go for feelings. Intangible, unprovable feelings.
What a cope

>>82356481
I never said that the bible was divine. The bible was written by people and inspired by the Holy Spirit. My faith is rock solid, I've left the church before, tried a whole bunch of things, and found that only Christianity works.

>>82356465
If a person prays in all honesty and earnestly, but still doesn't get their answers, what does that mean for such a person? Was it their fault? Did they not pray hard enough?

>>82356490
>unprovable
We've been over this, nothing is provable, therefore all worldviews are equally valid apart from results. My results? God gave me a wife. Where's your wife, eeeeh?

>>82356485
Eerily similar to the ends justify the means, the mantra of psychopathy.
Can humans apply that logic? Are they excused of evils for the greater good?

>>82356485
Lmao that's exactly how people used the bible to justify slavery and genocide. You people never change.

>>82356496
>If a person prays in all honesty and earnestly, but still doesn't get their answers, what does that mean for such a person? Was it their fault? Did they not pray hard enough?
Since this is a hypothetical and I hate fictional people, yes. It was their fault and they deserve to go to hell. If you have a real case to examine, I might be nicer.

>>82354034
It looks like you're wrong, anon

>>82356517
>"slavery is good because it will be over someday."
Are you even listening to yourself?

>>82356498
But somethings are more provable than others. It's about reliance. And feelings are on the very bottom of that ladder. Unreliable. Malleable. Convenient. I can see how they would become the final defense for your dying faith, after logic and facts abandoned it.

>>82356534
Are you saying that feelings are fictional rather than part of reality? That's an actual denial of reality.

>>82356531
>Slavery is good because we are helping the future generations of children live in a better world
The same excuse your petty god gave when he told moses to slaughter all the amalekites.

>>82356550
I'm not sure what you're on about anymore
You ought to get some sleep instead of browbeating people with scritpure

>>82356547
Your feelings are as real as your god. They're part of your connectome, a part of your mind. They exist inside your head, but not on the outside.
That's why all the effects you can feel of this "god" are these elusive "feelings" that somehow reaffirm the nostalgia of your christian childhood.
Get them while they're young.

>>82356557
Your god commanded genocide and slavery before, "for the greater good" you said. And so did his followers. More than once. Even you.
That's called intellectual defeat, anon.

>>82356565
I've seen too much shit, and I'm in too deep. I believe in God, and that's how it is. I find it incredibly ironic that you browbeat people with scripture and try to get them to convert. It reminds me of religious people who hate gays: you hate what you are.

>>82356519
>Blaming the victim
Abrahamic religion 101. One of its most predatory aspects. God failed you? It was your fault for not believing enough.
The intellectual equivalent of a bear trap. The more you pull, the tighter it is.

>>82356589
Again, this is a hypothetical situation, and I am a sadistic bastard. If you give me power over a fictional, hypothetical person, I will make terrible things happen to them. So there.

>>82356493
Religious people are seldomly straight forward. Always talking in circles to avoid the inevitable confrontation of blind faith vs lack of evidence.
You didn't call the bible divine but you called it "inspired by a divine spirit" which semantically amounts to nearly the same shit. Oh no the bible is not divine,but merely oozing with divinely inspired knowledge.
Except that it was another lie, not your first one.

>>82356493
>Only the faith I was indoctrinated into since childhood works for me
>Coincidentally It's the same one that tells women to shut up and obey me
What a bloody coincidence. I wonder what your faith would be like if you had been brought up by muslims.

>>82356610
"Inspired" means that there's plenty of things in there that are problematic and require discernment. Paul wrote, "Am I not to judge those inside the church?" but Jesus said, "do not judge."

>>82356597
>I am a sadistic bastard.
You have something in common with your god, it seems. You're starting to get the mindset of the author

>>82356633
Talk to me about a real situation and not fiction

>>82356620
Again, not an alternate history thread. I am what I am.

>>82356629
So after all that, by "problematic" you mean that the bible is flawed? I Love listening to rock solid faithlings blaspheme. What a development.
Now all it takes is for you to discern, little by little, what is and isn't human flaw in that text. Until there's little left.

>>82356629
Contradictions are very common characteristic of lies and deceit. That's just another clue you're not reading the truth, but you will ignore the signs.

>>82356642
I can't think of a single believer or nonbeliever that would say that the bible does not cause any problems

>>82356649
A rhetorical question isn't a lie. It's just awkward. Like your line of thought. I'm not going to stop being a Christian, ever.

>>82356641
You can understand yourself better though and reach an elevated state of self knowledge.
Admitting to one self that your faith relies on circumstances more than your own "relationship" with a fictional character could mean that you become less toxic and judgemental towards other people, and definitely less arrogant about being the owner of the truth.

>>82356664
Blah blah blah blah all I hear is some self-serving idiot ramble on about your life sucks. Shut up!

>>82356634
But anon, your god is fictional. If we were to talk about real life only, there would be no room for your favourite mythology here. Your so called "feelings" and "prayers" would tremble before the reality that you're just as comfortably deluded as a child who still believes in santa beyond their years, if only they can get more gifts.

>>82356676
>your god is fictional
Again, I've seen too much shit and I'm in too deep. You're allowed to have a worldview that doesn't include God, but I can't unless I get my brain removed.

>>82356583
>I've seen too much shit
So much so that you had to pray for god to fill the gaps left by his supposed holy manual. And then you had to rely on feelings to know it.
I don't doubt you have felt a lot. Religious induced catharsis and deliriums are a thing. But seeing? Touching? Witnessing physical proof of your faith? Yeah, god doesn't play like that. What would be the fun of being sure? Faith and doubt are sisters holding hands.

>>82356690
blah blah blah I need attention and validation

>>82356672
You believe you are part of the secret club of salvation that will fly off as everyone else burns. My dear, you worship the religion of self service.

>>82356695
I like how you're not even trying anymore, just pure intellectual defeat. Regressing to the rhetoric of a 12 year old

>>82356684
You've seen so much or you've felt so much? There's a difference.
Yes, you were indoctrinated from birth. Your family shares your faith, your community does. You are definitely in too deep. You don't want to know what happens if they find out about your harboured doubts. They will show you the same hand you show me

>>82356702
There's no use in trying with someone who won't listen, and if you were actually trying to have an intellectual discussion rather than just seeking attention, you would have ended the conversation at me saying that I wasn't ever going to change. I'm clearly not arguing in good faith with a statement like that, but you like the attention.

>>82356107
It's not a lie to say that there were less fags back in the day because when gay shit is not tolerated or accepted there would naturally be less of them around and if they are around they would be hiding.

>>82356663
It's not rhetorical, the bible has multiple instances of contradictions, you merely quoted one.
There are also straight up false narratives like exodus, which never happened.
It relies on lies just like you did in this thread.

>>82356725
It is because there were definitely not less fags back in rhe day in fact there were less conservative chuds back in the day and /pol/ is the reason why moot left.

>>82353852
>acting like they're smart because they don't believe in sky daddy
We don't act smart. It's just that the idea of a grown-ass adult believeing in this stuff is proof of mental retardation. We're not smart, you are stupid. You're like children who refuse to let go of the fact that there's no Santa.
>how retarded those guys are
Projection. Having child-like beliefs in unproven stuff you've never seen or experienced is a characteristic of mental retardation and child-like thinking.
I have not met a single deeply religious adult who isn't a brainlet. It's usually village folk or heavy drinkers who have turned their brains into mush. I work in engineering and literally nobody in my office is religious. 8 people, all atheists or agnostics.

>>82356715
Whatever, dude. If I don't like you and you don't like me, and we go to each others' respective hells, then we won't have to see each other for eternity and we'll both be happy.

>>82356676
Its almost like Christmas just happened one year, like everyone just started doing it all at once hey? Mysterious.

>>82356725
The number of gays stay the same. What changes is how much they have to hide, and consequently how much you get to see them.
What you are saying is there were more miserable oppressed fags back then. And that's the reality you want back.

>>82356750
You know it was a pagan festival before Christianity, right? Winter's solstice? Literally merged into Christianity to appease pagans
Gosh your ignorance befits a christian.

>>82356741
Actually you don't go to my hell. You think I rejoice in thinking of people who disagree with me burning forever? That's Christianity, anon. That's not me.
To my belief, you and I will share the exact same after life

>>82356771
I'm living in your hell right now. Go away.

>>82356753
No what i'm saying is that they were often driven away as well as pushed into hiding. The letter being easier for bisexuals sence they can pretend to be straight.

>>82356762
Suuuuure wink wink nudge nudge. Pagans were so festive.

>>82356775
You asked for your christcuckery to be challenged. You thought you were safe in a chud board. But you were wrong. And you weren't ready for it.
Your faith may be solid, even rock solid, but even the hardest rock is eroded with time.

>>82356793
>You asked for your christcuckery to be challenged.
Where?
>even the hardest rock is eroded with time.
Holy shit, I literally rolled my eyes. You get that one from an LLM?

>>82356787
Pushed away, hiding, they are still there, anon. They only stop counting when they stop breathing.
The number of homosexuals has been a constant throughout the entire human history. The only thing that changed is how free they were

>>82356793
Dude look at the land mass between Canada and Russia. Its been shaped into two dogs sharing a bone. Because russias fucking shit but Canadas rich as hell. And theyre so close together, but theres no ships or planes that go to Russia from Canada dude lmao.

>>82356802
My brain is a large language model, how old do you think I am? Please it's you that has admitted intellectual defeat, not me.
One little grain at a time, your faith erodes away. You're already calling the bible flawed and pointing out contradictions. The sapling of doubt takes roots.

>>82356820
>My brain is a large language model
Fucking WAT

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>>82356809
You say all that, I read "I lost this debate so hard I'mma go and pretend I don't really care what we're talking about"

>>82356823
Idiot. How old are you, 14? I'm arguing theology with a teen christian.
You'll join the ranks of disbelief in due time

>>82356827
You say all that, I read "I'm too stupid to realize when I'm talking to a different person"

>>82356830
I'm 36 and I buy Andy Griffith gospel tapes

>>82356827
Im the king of this entire realm. God cut a big face into the moon too. He terraforms the land into art as a way to claim ownership over it. All the lakes have been cut into pictures too. Yeah and he made me the king for some reason. Being the kings pretty cool, I get to talk to him.

>>82356831
Highjacking this conversation on his behalf is the same of taking his stance in which case you lost again and have no arguments

>>82356840
>Highjacking
Jacking off
while high

>>82356837
I was poking fun at the shortening distance between ai and human brains. You sound obtuse for 36, but it is expected from a religious nut.

pitiful attempt

I have a feeling that if Christianity took over feminism would be allowed to stay and we would still worship pussy without touching it. Also rich would keep all their money.

>>82356806
If they are pushed away then they are not there, that's the whole point of pushing them away.
>They only stop counting when they stop breathing.
No it's when they are removed from the community and you don't have to kill them to do that.

>>82356867
>If they are pushed away then they are not there
They are somewhere. They only truly disappear if you kill them. You can't simply close your eyes and stop counting homosexuals that don't appear in your field of view

>>82356851
AI sucks donkey scruttocks and anyone who thinks it doesn't is a drooling retard

>>82356881
>They only truly disappear if you kill them.
That's only true if you're talking about the whole country or a large city.

>>82356885
Obviously it would be a christcuck with such shortsighted opinion. No comprehension of what's coming.
AI is gonna shake this world harder than your zombie jew god ever could. It's gonna make every human revolution seem like child play.
Obviously the religious nut is not only ignorant and oblivious but also arrogant in his own blindness

>>82356902
I'm talking about the whole world and somehow you're thinking in small scales

>>82356827
I literally just showed you evidence of a god who terraforms the entire planet to draw big pictures on satellite view. Because he literally has nothing better to do. That wasnt done by me nigger. He also made all the books, tv shows, music, movies and video games. And, also built all the buildings. And made all the products. He is immortal. I dont know why he brings real people here though. That seems pointlessly cruel.

>>82356903
OK tard. Actually use it at the API level and use json schemas to structure its output and then get back to me instead of just getting it to agree with you about all the retarded shit you say.

>>82356913
>evidence of a god who terraforms the entire planet
Yeah, just not in 7 days, not for mankind, and definitely not from clay. One more time, don't conflate the universe with the phony, deceitful deities of the Canaanite pantheon, the one you would one day call god is just a minor god of a larger family tree, and he even had a wife.
god created the universe, all fun and games. Jesus is still a false prophet who died.

>>82356908
Because we started talking about places like 4chan (old 4chan to be specific) so it's a better comparison.

>>82356916
The religious nut is simply incapable of looking at the bigger picture. No insight, no nuance, no imagination. Only blond faith to ancient fairytales. A poor intellect through and through.
10 years ago, there was no AI. 5 years ago it could talk like a retard. 2 years ago it could paint pictures that looked like fever dreams.
Now there's almost nothing it can't do. Can you paint this graph in your head? Can you see where it's going? Or are you just dumb?

>>82356931
Lol learn to read nigger. Hes here right now, he never went anywhere. He just lies a fuckton, probably because some people have no legs and theres no cure yet for that. Yeah look at google maps dude. Look at the moon. Its not really anything good, he actually did that to prove he owns this reality. He calls us his slaves. The B is a pair of boobs. The b is a penis. Because theyre both worker bees. Do you get it. He rapes peoples asses in 2025. Literally he is an anal rapist. Literally.

>>82356956
>10 years ago, there was no AI.
ELIZA
ChatScript
Markov chains

>>82356940
The number of fags on 4chan has decreased of anything.

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How does being Christian actually influence your day to day aside the obvious (ie being insufferably smug and owning the libs)

>>82356964
>The autist focuses on meaningless semantic
There was no available ai to the extent that we have now, dumbass. No chat gpt. No free site where I could ask for a picture of horses with cupcakes instead of hooves. No LLM that could easily make a thesis with quality.

>>82356977
Actually I'm Christian and liberal, so everybody hates me >:)

>>82356962
whatever, you're nearly delirious. The bible is lying. Jesus is dead and never came back. Yahweh is a fictional character. the real creator of the universe doesn't care

>>82356967
If only that was actually true.

>>82356978
>No chat gpt.
No hallucinating corporate spyware being shoved everywhere? Sign me up.
>No free site where I could ask for a picture of horses with cupcakes instead of hooves.
DeviantArt
>No LLM that could easily make a thesis with quality.
There have been extremely promising research projects on graph knowledge databases with these capabilities for a long time, no LLMs needed

>>82356992
It is, actually. This is chud central now. Even LGBT is flooded with homophobia. /pol/ did a number on this site, it never recovered.
The number of fags in the universe remains the same though

>>82357001
>No insight about the significance of LLM and what is to come
The level ignorance that one would expect from a religious person.

>>82357013
Until you understand how to use LLMs via the APIs, you're being incredibly pseudointellectual about them.

>>82357001
Notice how you're dancing around the topic with irrelevant drivel instead pf addressing the point that AI is going to change humanity forever.
That's because you have nothing worthwhile to say and are too proud/stubborn to admit a mistake.
Typical religious behavior

>>82357022
>I don't understand how the work leading up to ChatGPT was relevant, therefore it's irrelevant
You are acting like the religious people that you are talking about

>>82357020
I don't think you are getting the point through that thick theological skull, so let me draw a picture in a way compatible with your christian intellect
>100 years ago: computers don't think
>Now: computers thinking hard
Can you extrapolate where this is going, anon?

>>82356990
What do you mean by care? His motives in this reality havent been completely revealed to me yet. He says this is a world where nobody fails and everybody gets a hot girlfriend and a house in heaven. And that he made this reality for them to enjoy sex basically with virgins in heaven.

>>82357020
It's very intellectually dishonest to pretend we are not witnessing a rapidly accelerating revolution of artificial intelligence before our eyes. It's the level of blindness and delusional that one expects from bible worshippers.

>>82357041
100 years ago was 1925, and computers did exist then. What do you think that thinking is?

>>82357043
>What do you mean by care?
He won't burn you at the stake if you touch your pp wrong

>>82357049
>we are not witnessing a rapidly accelerating revolution of artificial intelligence before our eyes
OK, and where is this revolution? What has changed for the better in the average person's day-to-day life because of this?

>>82357051
>Being a retard on purpose again
Gee, anon, I wonder what was the power of that 1925 computer compared to now
I wonder how fast computational power is moving
I wonder how capable is AI today compared to a few years ago
I wonder what would be like to argue with honest people
But then I would never argue with christian apologists

>>82357054
Hell was likely designed to cause psychosis. Its like a training program. Also, because he was trying to design everything possible so there was no possible surprises in the form of organized rebellion. So if some random fag were to start a cult and claim some type of eternal punishment was coming. Its already been done. Youve seen it already once before.

>>82357069
If you need an LLM to solve your problems instead of a calculator, you'd make a bad programmer.

>>82357056
>where is this revolution?
You're too busy looking for a sky daddy and praying for answers to see it.
You will only admit it when it washes over you like a wave, and it will

>>82357056
>for the better
Lmao even you really think revolutions only move that scale up?

>>82357080
>You will only admit it when it washes over you like a wave, and it will
So your religion is AI and you consider yourself a prophet. Again, valid worldview, just not mine.

>>82357076
And if you deny the rapid growth of artificial intelligence, what does it make you?
A christian apparently

>>82357103
Link some articles dude instead of just jerking off and begging for (You)s

>>82357074
Hell isn't real, it's a human creation and the greeks did it first. Your delirium is tired

>>82357091
I don't worship ai like you worship Jesus, you bible freak. AI is a reality. It doesn't need worship. It will change our lives regardless of our beliefs.

>>82357054
Alright COULD god send you to hell? Yes, maybe not for an eternity. But he can easily torture you to death. He can keep you alive for a long time too. He can do it in any way he wants basically. Ive seen him kill tons of people already. Hes a good murderer, he made their deaths look natural. Also its plausible that we are merely controlling our human forms using a type of connection to a permanent object in spacetime. So in that sense were already immortal, and this was just a full dive simulation. And that it could happen again. It actually looks a lot like this world has happened many times before, its just a game he plays.

>>82357105
Nigga you're not gonna read anything, you're just going to move the goalpost, nitpick some dumb shit about the article and focus on that, completely missing the point
Like you just did when you cried "b-b-but they had computers in 1925!"
Come on bro. You think I don't know how to argue with intellectually dishonest people? You amuse me.

>>82357115
>It will change our lives regardless of our beliefs.
Again, that is a BELIEF. That is a thing in which you have FAITH. It is not provable by any means, because you cannot predict the future. You are welcome to have your beliefs, but forcing them on others is very religious.

>>82357119
Your nonsensical drivel sounds barely human, and more like a bot.

>>82357109
Its pretty unlikely that history ever happened. It was all made up basically. So we got a few explanations for why they made up so much fake history and science. The Bible calls them building blocks. So thats like a way to say it helps our minds appreciate sex better, because life mightve been too much for a mind to comprehend without first providing some type of fake answers. Another plausible theory is that it earns money when people believe random shit. It helps protect assets, reduces crime, increases motivation and intelligence. It really depends on how many people even have souls I guess. I dont think theres as many as it looks lol.

>>82357122
>that is a BELIEF
anon, if it was a belief, you would never see it, just like your phony god and your fake prophet jesus.
It's not like these are 10 years away. We are witnessing it unfolding right now before our eyes. Only a fool, like a bible believer, could deny the tracks set in motion.
You will see it. We all will see it.

>>82357145
>We are witnessing it
Then post articles, unless you mean we will witness it and you're employing the rarely-used prophetic tense of the English language.
>You will see it. We all will see it.
Is it present tense, or future tense?

>>82357138
>it earns money
That one. In Christianity, the concept of hell was changed and adapted to coerce people into the faith through fear. It was highly effective.

>>82357006
That's fucking delusional, there are more fags now then ever before.

>>82357138
>it earns money
To the preacher. Like a parasite. Religion is one big financial scheme. Give your money to god, but they pass through the pockets of the church first.
It doesn't protect anything, it doesn't reduce crime, that's the law doing, not religion.
Let me remind you the oldest law code predates the bible by a 1000 years.

>>82357164
You simply weren't here before. We had gay porn threads in this very board. Literally porn dumping threads

>>82357122
>you cannot predict the future.
Yes you can. With science. You can tell where exactly a rock is going to fall, precisely. Your god can't do any of it.

>>82357155
Provide evidence for you to pick holes like you did before? Completely ignoring the overall point and focusing on dumb irrelevant details?
Anon, the amount of blindness it takes to deny we are living through the ai revolution already sets you apart as a bad faith argumentator at best, and a delusion freak at worst.

>>82357190
>Yes you can.
Then fuck off and go make a fortune on the stock market or the lottery. What are you still doing here, Mr. Future Predictor?

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>>82356916
Think of all the fun you can have with AI though

>>82357202
Don't you nonreligious types like to say, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof?"

>>82357205
People literally do that, someone beat me to it by decades. They're the insiders, the tippers. They sell very valuable market information and predictions to rich people. Pelosi sold her Nvidia stocks 2 weeks before the crash. Not a coincidence.

>>82357219
"AI is rapidly growing" is not an extraordinary claim at all. It takes extraordinary blindness or stupidity to deny.
You just have to guess where "rapidly growing" will lead

>>82357232
>You just have to guess where "rapidly growing" will lead
Bubble burst

>>82357242
You gonna get hit by the shockwaves harder than you think

>>82357249
I quake in fear of the dread AI prophecy. Woe, anguish, gnashing of teeth.

>>82357254
you have more fear for your ghost stories of hell fire lmao

>>82357260
Why should people be afraid of AI? Doesn't that mean it's a bad thing? You're stupid.

>>82357179
Yeah but that's not because this place become less gay in fact we more gay shit now then ever.

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>>82357254
I wonder what the faithful are going to do when confronted with an actual god. Will they switch over right away and start worshiping it? Will they keep begging the tutelary spirits of the Hebrew tribes for help? Will they just kill themselves when they realize their life is nonsense?

Something to look forward to anyway.

>>82357266
>Why should people be afraid of a machine that can think in ways beyond human comprehension?
The level of insight and perspective from a christcuck.

>>82355973
and yet I'm meant to believe one has the answers to life, universe, and everything

>>82357347
That's only something to be afraid of if it's bad. Why are you conflating bad things with human progress? You're stupid.

>>82356025
And?
The church isn't the physical embodiment of theism. See, this is how retarded atheists are, they can't even see the difference between those two

>>82357374
The bible is just a book, dude. The map isn't the territory.

>>82356127
You sound like those people that say Japan has low rape because the women are silenced
That's such a cope. Just reject all proves and make a head cannon in your head. That's countless more time less logical than believing in God

>>82356307
le nuance is native ground for dishonest and retarded people. They think they're smart by saying "both are bad" "it's a complex issue" without ever solving anything

>>82356320
>he thinks religion is just holy books
Holy outing yourself as a retard. What, do you think God didn't existed when dinossaurs roamed the earth just because there was no bible or human beings? kek

>>82355184
No one mentioned that you stupid goatfucker

>>82355878
Maybe in your thirdie shithole

>>82353852
Nothing is more cringe than the fact that, each week, millions and millions of upper middle class American citizens put on expensive dress clothes, and load themselves into SUV's and drive past homeless shelters, orphanages, prisons, missions, and halfway houses on their way to a very expensive and nice church, where somebody tells them how to be more like Jesus. I have yet to find a single Christian who actually follows their own scripture. They are religious for the sole purpose of having divine supremacy over others. They are Christian by name alone and do none of the practice. Christians basically do not exist in the modern world.

>>82357634
It would be very funny if someone organized bus trips from homeless shelters to churches and back on a mass scale.

>anons proving OP right
At least be agnostic. It's funny how dumb people AFFIRM there's no God when such a thing is a contesting topic since the beginning of humanity discussed by many of humanity greatest geniuses. It's pure contrarian shit of people that want to feel smart, just say "I don't know" or "It doesn't matter either way to me"

>>82353943
Underrated on-topic post

>>82357634
>They are religious for the sole purpose of having divine supremacy over others.
And atheists are atheists for the sole purpose of having intellectual supremacy over others.(Which also is wrong since most geniuses were theists)

>>82355985
You are a 78 IQ retard who larps on /r9k/.

>>82357679
Joke's on you, being retarded is preferable to being a midwit

>>82355884
conservatives often live secular lives as well. you can be free to love, and many incels still have wives and children and plenty of love in their lives. the problem is that yes, in general, without a religious lifestyle, degeneracy tends to be the goal and the outcome. many people don't understand family values or the morals of certain behaviors until its too late. they say "its not that bad" up until the point it actually just becomes too fucking bad to come back from.

>>82353852
Atheism is just boring.

>>82357722
You are both, though.

>>82353852
The idea of Christians on here is the funniest thing to me. Imagine scrolling past cocks, trannies and gay shit. While also supposedly being against degeneracy. Getting into arguments instead of turning the other cheek as they are supposed to do. If any Christian from at least 100 years in the past were to look over the shoulder of any Christian here for a day. He would demand a exorcism of that person, thinking he was possessed by the devil.

>>82358037
>instead of turning the other cheek as they are supposed to do
Always the same three things

Also, in fact it makes sense for a christian to be here. Jesus came for the ones in need, not the ones that already figured things out

>>82358091
You're absolutely right if Jesus were he today he'd be shitposting on 4chan instead of being in the real world helping his community.

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>>82353852
This thread is based and I dig it. all religionfags must leave this board now, there are titties here and you are going to hell for looking
artist is Fugtrup
>>82356068
this is so cute, just shoehorning in "lgbt feel shame" not even close bitchass, only the religious feel shame for getting boners
>>82356127
>>82358037
>>82358091
this is a flawless example of it. all christians, jews, muslims, etc are at all times, rapists. they will try to rape your women, force themselves into conversations where they're not welcome, make public spectacles out of how holy they are to force themselves into view. they need to be extinguished

>>82358618
>force themselves into conversations where they're not welcome
Imagine that you believe that people that didn't accepted God will suffer and people that accepted God will be happy. If you don't go around trying to spread that news everywhere, you're a horrible person. That's like finding a mountain of gold and keeping it all for yourself

I'm not a christian btw, that's just the logical conclusion of that belief

>>82357627
That explains why America has not had a Christian president for nearly 250 years

>>82358679
has not *not had

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>>82358661
yeah it's like going around telling people that they have to first sever their own head to get to the gold
the only difference with religion is the gold was never there
>I'm not a christian btw
>capitalizing god so you don't anger him
nice try

>>82358715
God and god are different words, tard

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>>82358750
>my G-G-God is different from the others
silence, religionfag
>>82358618
gotta go, just remember you're not the first for questioning "why did god kill the entire earth and cause untold suffering if mr preacher man said he's good"
and you're not wrong for asking that question
keep digging your way out from under your parent's influence
here's some fat tits for the road

>>82358750
>god is different than God
This is called 3 in the morning anon, Tao.

>>82358777
>>my G-G-God is different from the others
Holy retard. I can be a god, a spoon can be a god, anything can be a god. All it takes is to be worshipped
Meanwhile God is the maximum being. Belief or lack of thereof doesn't change anything about him

OP was talking exactly about people like you. Know nothing and yet think you're smart

>>82353897
Christianity is by definition moral relativist. God had to send his son down to give humanity a new moral code. If it was absolutist then the laws of Moses would have served just fine.
And that's by following Christianity's own logic! Obviously you shouldn't have to do that because it's all supernatural bullshit made up thousands of years ago by people with a tiny fraction of the knowledge as us.

>>82354197
Religion is one of the reasons we live in an "uncaring world". Too many people coping with how shitty things are by believing in an afterlife, instead of trying to solve those shitty things. Hell some of them go out of their way to make things shittier because they think it will usher in the apocalypse faster so their messiah comes.

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>>82353852
Reminder that if you haven't read the Bible, the Quran and the Talmud, then you only have the religion you do because of cultural influence. How many religious people have read all 3? I bet it's less than 0.01%.

>>82358661
>I'm not a christian btw
This shit is so funny because you obviously are. You're not clever, this isn't a new schtick, all you stupid faggots do this. "How do you do fellow non-Christians, I'm gonna spend the entire thread defending Christianity for no reason!" The irony of it all is that it completely undermines any claims you have of being "moral" because you're a fucking liar.

>>82358887
>made up thousands of years ago by people with a tiny fraction of the knowledge as us
kek
I don't give a shit about religion but if you're genuinely retarded if you think smart people from the past aren't comparable with smart people of today. We're the same species, nothing changed from there to now

People that think progress is linear are midwits

>>82358887
The knowledge that we have (if you value it) was built up over thousands of years. One of the key pitfalls of secularism is that people in that lifestyle forget or never learn some of the most basic and important lessons that we understood thousands of years ago. You don't need supernatural bullshit to explain why atheists are so far behind everyone else.

>>82358938
Anon......
You think people living in 30 AD knew about evolution? General relativity? Quantum mechanics? Germ theory? Electrical engineering? The periodic table?
The amount of shit humanity has figured out over thousands of years is ASTRONOMICAL. It has nothing to do with "le IQ" or whatever the fuck, it's about WHAT INFORMATION THEY HAD AVAILABLE AT THE TIME. They could have been the smartest people alive and they still would have been working with exceedingly limited information.
Never call anyone a "midwit" again for the rest of your life you absolute retard.

>>82358942
Absolute gibberish.

>>82358897
What in the absolute shit are you yapping about? Religion was used as a motivational tool throughout history and many of the LDAR and nihilistic retards today are non-religious. People will solve problems or not care regardless of religion, because you can frame any worldview to support any personal choice. The problem is that without a common religion, or something very similar in terms of community structure, hierarchy, continuity, moral guidance etc. life can only become shittier by comparison. 1 retard can ruin the lives of 100 meme problem solvers.

>>82358974
>bro we have le heckin science
That still requires you to have faith in the miracle of gravity and the contradiction of the big bang. Just accept that you dont really know half as much as you think you do and you will feel less stressed and your mind more at ease

>>82358974
Trivial knowledge =/= intelligence. Try again!

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>>82358907


I believe in God,
the Father almighty,
Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried;
he descended into hell;
on the third day he rose again from the dead;
he ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

Amen.

>>82358996
Oh anon, that's cute.
Pretending to be retarded to try to cover up the fact that you were being genuinely retarded before.
Sorry but no, you are a retard, you were not "just pretending". I can't even call you a midwit because that would be too generous.

>>82358997
So you're saying that... worldviews are not based on our knowledge of the world?
Any society you would design would lead to IMMENSE suffering.

>>82358994
>heh I am le enlightened and the proles need to believe in supernatural bullshit or else society will le collapse!
What condescending nonsense.

>>82359011
>muh trivial knowledge oh my gawsh! i "know" something because it was written in a book!
go back to plebbit you actual retard.

>>82359017
>nobody was talking about supernatural bullshit but i will act like everything natural is supernatural somehow
Just wait until you get into high school.

>>82358927
I'm not a christian. You just aren't intellectual enough to understand belief in God without religion

Well, amerifat bipartisan system fucked people's brains, so I don't blame you. You can only think of two broad options, theist or atheist
Not even mentioning agnostics, just theism and atheism are complex by themselves. Not all theists are the same, just like not all atheists are the same.

You can be a materialistic atheist, buddhist atheist, antitheistic atheist(reddit atheists), theoretical atheist, etc...
On the theism side you can be monotheistic, polytheistic, henotheistic, panentheistic, deist, perennialist, etc...

>>82359011
Ok then I will give you one more attempt to explain where gravity comes from or what caused the universe to spontaneously appear. Otherwise I will treat you as the worthless retarded virgin that you are.

For reference virgin means you have never had sex because you are uggo pants

Just got back from church >:)

>>82359039
>we dont know why the universe works the way it does yet
>must be omnipotent magic man because thats the only plausible explanation thats completely based in reality
If you believe in Christianity just go read Matthews 24:1-24:34, the end times are 1900 years late
I was a Christian for a long time and then I actually read my Bible and realized it was all bullshit
Also if we are gonna talk about morality getting divorced and remarried is adultery and pretty much every Christian ignores that, all sin is equal in the eyes of God. God would rather you be hot or cold, if you are lukewarm he will spit you out, all of you Christians cherrypick what you use as moral basis out of the Bible and other parts you straight up ignore. So even though in the eyes of God divorce unless your spouse has committed adultery and even that is contested or died is an abomination and a sin. But its okay because it is socially acceptable. But other sins are wrong like homosexuality and people should be shunned for that. Do you think you will be welcomed into the New Jerusalem when you deliberately ignore and decide what parts of the Bible you want to follow? Isnt it one of the fucking commandments to love thy neighbor, didnt jesus eat with the lepers and sinners? The majority of you christcucks would automatically be cast into the lake of fire based on the standards of your holy book. Your religion is inconsistent and makes no sense, but I respect peoples right to believe whatever they want to believe. Just dont talk down to me about my personal beliefs and I wont shit on yours.

>>82360166
Why did type out all of that fucking word salad instead of just answering the simple question that we both know you have no fucking clue about? Now you just look like fucking idiot. Trying to stay on topic or shut your dumb fucking mouth.

>>82360166
>>82360499

This is gold. The guy arguing against Christianity is quoting bible verses while the moral Christian man is cursing in every single sentence.

>>82360687
Tell me where in the Bible it says not to curse, nevertheless it does not negate the words I have said. You are only attacking my character while furthering my point that you lack knowledge and wisdom, so kek and lmao to you

>>82360166
Goofy ahh boy, your own level of conviction is a contradiction. You can't know the unknowable, so don't waste your time acting superior. You don't need to understand or respect the major western religions, you just need to be clear on your own position and what higher authority/power you align with. Atheists do this stupid gay shit where they reject God form their identity around not believing or understanding stories in the bible, but then they are left with either nothing of substance, or some vapid fleeting replacement with no foundation in community or values. Religious people aren't one dimensional, they can obviously be secular in practice or evil or hypocritical or just stupid in spite of their core beliefs, and they can also change their beliefs over time as a community based on new information and what is effective for their own lives. But the aspiration for religion is to build bonds, have faith, and discover something greater than yourself. If you have something else that keeps you from straying from your set path and to build relationships through and find your place in society, that's fine, but the image of an atheist who just trolls people with "hurr but muh magic mans" while having no clue what he's doing in life or where he will end up is peak predictable and a tale as old as time.

I really want to see the first religion that has an LLM as a god. Come up with some voodoo that god communicates through latent dimensions and sampling of the model and you are all set.

>>82360896
You are describing Mormonism anon