why are all moids barely hiding their pedophilic tendencies? Notice how on every porn site, the lowest legal age is the most popular, with titles like>girl loses her virginity on her 18th birthday!Same here, people say they want to fuck 18-20 women, because only those are 'fresh'. But you're really saying:>I want to fuck teen women as young as legally possible, If I could I would prefer a twelve year old child brideI swear, if we had an honest study, it would turn out that almost all men are pedophiles specifically attracted to women who barely had their first period and are so gulliable, vulnerable, easy to manipulate, dominate and violate.
>>82416291You are just an old hag that is jealous because nobody ever wanted to violate you
>>82416291I just want a virgin girl who will love me, sadly only young women are virgins. I don't mind if she would be older and still a virgin. I just can't see myself with a non virgin since I am a khhv myself.
i mean just last night i had a local girl remove me because i was insistent about her sending her id or date of birth, so idk who youre calling a pedo heremaybe if girls didnt lie about their age then they wouldnt get raped by older men
>>82416291Yeah. Ive had that thought for a while now. The only thing that stops men from raping a 12 yo girl is law, not morality
>>82416291I'm sorry about the aging process, femanon. If it's any consolation, I don't like aging either.It's not about them being vulnerable it's about them being hot (and about what age does to the human body)
>>82416291I'm dating an 18 year old at 22.There's nothing wrong with that.
>>82416291>gulliable, vulnerable, easy to manipulate, dominate and violateI think you're the actual sexist moid OP. Women are clearly the more capable, intelligent and sensible sex. We'd be exploring space and curing cancer if it weren't for men and their wars.
>>8241632412 is too young for anyone but legit pedos, they're too underdeveloped physically
normal men are attracted to teenagers and it's only the legality that stops them looking at e.g. 16-year-olds?colour me SHOCKED
>>82416320both participants in this chat sound like children. in your case, some /b/tard troll.you also didn't block out the name a couple of times.
>>82416352i mean i was just being courteous, she doesnt browse here. you can cope and make fun of my typing style but it just disproves your whole gay thread, lmao
I say 12 year old because I'm thinking about pic rel, she was cast in a very romantic and sexual role at age 12 and all men imagine being Leon and grooming her. It's the perfect grooming story with her family dying.>>82416310Ridiculous expectation. You will wait for your virgin FOREVER while you reject many wonderful women, perhaps even your second half, just because she has a past? Don't ask if they have a past, ask what it has taught them. Of course, same applies to virgin men.>>82416334thats okay cause you're also a child. i am not angry that a 15 year old boy is masturbating thinking about his classmates, or even if they fall in love and have sex. I take issus when that 'boy' is a decade older.
>>82416291>so gulliable, vulnerable, easy to manipulate, dominate and violate.Stop, I can only get so erect.
>>82416291>gulliable, vulnerable, easy to manipulate, dominate and violate.this is all women.men prefer younger women because it's nature. better fertility.What the women need to realize is that regardless of which one of is right, whether it's me saying "fertility" or you saying we're all pedos, either way every year that ticks by is you being less (physically) attractive to men.And as far as mentally attractive? Every year that slips by is another year you don't grow older and closer together so it's basically the same thing.
>>82416371My second half would have saved herself for me. I rather wait forever, non virgins can not love because they already pair bonded with the person who took their virginity. I don't want to be in a relationship without love.
>>82416386It's ridiculous to equate fertility with body's age. A younger woman will have a much much harder time handling pregnancy, childbirth and child-rearing. She's much more likely to do something stupid or irresponsible like drinking while pregnant or hurting the child, and getting postpartum depression. Teen girls are famously mentally unstable. Yeah enjoy your 10% increase in fertility but your child bride commits extended suicide with your children when she realizes you've ruined her life! (ala shutter island)>>82416388Ridiculous. You bond with many people during your lifetime. Like, you can't bond with any woman because you've touched your mother's vagina when coming out, and saw her naked, and cuddled with her in bed and held hands while walking? To the contrary, a woman with a past relationship has proven her ability to pair bond, while you may be incapable of that on a biological level because of mental illness, childhood trauma etc. It's not a virtue or achievement to never have been tested.
>>8241629118 year old incel here, take my virginity and become my wife please
>>82416291>I swear, if we had an honest study, it would turn out that almost all men are pedophilesIIRC they actually did this and it was something like 40%. The numbers were close for women though at like 35%.Naturally with any study there's a chance the sample selection happened to be comically disproportionate to the world at large but unlikely.It's therefore common for humans in general, thankfully we all recognize it as wrong and very few would even admit it, even fewer would go as far as to act on it and we rightfully destroy those that do.
>>82416416Yeah you are trolling here not gonna keep talking with you anymore. Comparing my mother with a woman I want to make my life long partner and grow old with is so ridiculous. A woman with a past relationship shows that she CANT pair bond because the past realtionship did not last. What makes me so special that she would not leave me as well? Only my love and she would love her past bf way more. I only date for marriage and that requires a pair bond for life.
>>82416425Bullshit. I don't believe for a second that as many women are attracted to 12 year old boys as men are to 12 year old girls. Straight shota is what, 1/10 as popular as loli? And mostly with men who identify with the shota. I'm sure there are more MEN (pederasts) into teen boys than women. Women have the opposite problem, I actually wish teen girls were only attracted to their classmates, but they tend to go for boys 1-2-3 years older than themselves.
>>82416449>I don't like statistic that I don't agree with, I only support statistic that I do agree withHow tiresome. Look up the studies.
>>82416447You are not special, you have to make yourself special in her eyes with effort. Same for her. You just want to take a woman for granted, get her love, care, attention for free. That's childish and selfish. Relationships don't last for myriad reasons. You're the one who has demonstrated being incapable of pairbonding by your inaction. Doing nothing and being weak is not a virtue, read Nietzsche
>>82416464There is simply no way this is true. Interact with any woman and you'll realize quickly that women are not into teen boys. I may read the study but I don't think I will see the material they gave to the participants (cp?). I don't believe for a second that women were shown underaged boys and declared them most handsome.
>>82416449Theres plenty of cases of Teachers destroying their marriages and families chasing after boy chad, who knows how many more if it was legalized
>>82416479there is a dozen male pedophiles in this very thread, but have you ever seen a female pedophile on 4chan? And women here are famously perverted. Female teachers fucking their students are super rare, that's why every such case goes wild on the internet.
>>82416291I'd prefer one in in their early 20s, but the chances of them being virgin drastically drop at that point >I want to fuck teen women as young as legally possible, If I could I would prefer a twelve year old child brideThe legal age of my country is 14 but the lowest that I'd go is 16. I go for 18 yo because it's less bureaucratic while having the higher chances of being virgin
>>82416371>You will wait for your virgin FOREVER while you reject many wonderful women, perhaps even your second half, just because she has a past?Yes. Instead of being a slut you could have waited. Men go for teenagers because women above 20 are trash sluts >Don't ask if they have a past, ask what it has taught themI don't care what that taught you. That's like asking what killing someone taught a murderer
>roastie coping about not being a virginAlways the same thing kekMen are in this state for listening to those trash. Their opinion doesn't matter, they're used holes
Such a sad display of slave morality itt.>I am unabble to make love and have a relationship, therefore people who could and did are evil and worse than me!>>82416510You realize your child bride will age above 20 and become 'trash slut' in your eyes?>murdermurder is evil, having a relationship that fails is not. It's an experience, positive or negative depending on what it taught you.
>>82416474I'm not going to engage you in this discussion when you're so blatantly and unreasonably biased. But that was my goal, to expose that this thread is nothing but senseless misandry.I made both sets of statistics up. The real statistic was around 1% of men and between 0.1 and 1% of women attracted to prepubescents, 6% of men to pubescent adolescents and 3% of women. I was hoping you were going to actually look it up and find that out for yourself so I could make this point but you couldn't even get that far.You're a ridiculous person, you've let hate for men swell up in your brain because you've been swayed and manipulated by social media and the media in general constantly projecting a jaded view of men, so much so that you'll outright reject the truth and refuse to even try to educate yourself. You've made up your own version of reality and nothing else matters, sounds like a miserable existence.And obviously it's going to be more common on this site, this is an anonymous site for fringe weirdos, it does not represent the general population and anyone who isn't living as a cartoon character like you would easily recognize that.
>>82416486>but have you ever seen a female pedophile on 4chan?yes, she said most of them operate on discord in shota servers and many are in early childcare and teaching jobs
>>82416536Bitch, you were lying, while I was thinking about pic rel, a real study that pedophiles often post. I'm looking for a similar one with women.>>82416540let me see, i want to talk to them
>>82416523>You realize your child bride will age above 20 and become 'trash slut' in your eyes?I don't care about virginity. I care about me being the only man she ever had intimately
No amount of coping will make your hymen come back. Imagine me shoving a spoon up my ass. I then wash it in front of you and say "here, for your cereal".That's the logic that sluts use
>>82416554>she posted itkek all hags should be forced to look at this and acknowledge that they are on a constant steep declineclock's ticking foids
>>82416556she will leave you and find a better man, and thank him each night for treating her well and telling him how much superior he is to you>>82416585this stat will justify culling you like the beasts you are
>>82416554>Bitch, you were lying, while I was thinking about pic rel, a real study that pedophiles often post. It turns out women don't care about it until they hit the wall
>>82416416>and getting postpartum depression.You dumb woman.https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2826508Higher ages are at higher risk rates for postpartum depression. And younger ages have more energy to keep up with children and handle the sleepless nights. It's a hell of a lot easier to go without sleep when you're 20 than when you're 30.>more likely to do something irresponsible like drinkingNot only is this cope, but it's also hilariously proving my point as well.>The interaction between alcohol consumption and maternal age was also significant, indicating that the impact of maternal binge drinking during pregnancy on attention was greater among children born to older drinking mothers.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4451224/tl:dr; if the mother DOES drink, if she's younger the body can mitigate more of the damage than when she's older.>mentally unstableHere's the best part. Women are happier when they have children younger.>Satisfaction with life decreased from around age 28 to age 40 and beyond, when measured in gestational weeks 17 and 30, and at six months and three years after the birth. When comparing women of advanced and very advanced age with the reference group, satisfaction with life was slightly reduced in the two older age groups and most of all in women of very advanced age. Women of very advanced age had the lowest scores at all time points and this was most pronounced at three years after the birth.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3975966/Unequivocally wrong in every thing you said and I have the data to back it up.
>>82416637>she will leave you and find a better manI really doubt it. I'm not chad who's in the top 1% of everything, but I'm comfortably in the top 10-15%. Only my height isn't something worth to brag about(only 182cm)Also, while I would want for her to stay and provide for her, if she goes away I already took her first time anyway. That "better" guy only will get my remainsAnd there's girls turning 18 at every moment, you aren't special. If you don't want me then I'll just exchange you
>>82416320You did the right thing I recently took to discord to try and procure some live legal aged women nudes myself since I couldn't verify the legal age of the women when I tried to ask I just shelved the whole thing. I wish there was a site where you could give your ID to and verify your age so only 18 and above are allowed on their where you could trade nudes in a legal and safe way. I really want some 18+ girl to send me personal nudes but I'm to risk adverse to do anything that's beyond certainty.
>>82416523>You realize your child bride will age above 20 and become 'trash slut' in your eyes?We don't like them because they're young, we like them because of the lack of slut behavior.If she ages to 20, to 30, to 40 only loving anon, she will never be a slut.Frankly I don't see why you're so combative about this anyway. If you think having a past as a whore is such great stuff, then surely there will be loads of men wanting a piece of that previously-cummed-in-pie. You're right, we're the weird ones, you should go away and not waste your precious time.
>>82416291>Pedo >18God I hate how the modern world has been composed of retards 16 isn't pedo either btw. You should shoot yourself with a 44 magnum for contributing to the downfall of the human race due to your retardation. And she's brown of course. Because brown people are the ultimate victims. Fuck you. Kill yourself.
>>82416291>if we had an honest study, it would turn out that almost all men are pedophilesYou're making progress, if you spend another 10-15 years meditating and dumping points into WIS, you may even figure out why pedophilia is defined as "attraction to prepubescent children" and not as "attraction to 17.999999 year olds".
>>82416687>Just don't be a whoreHow does this one line always seem impossible to them and have them make weird attempts at trying to interpret it differently, I don't get it
>>82416291>>82416371This is true. Natalie never looked better than she did in here.
>>82416697I really want to meet a 16-17 year old girl and ask her father for approval for us to start dating one day, but I'm already 22 now, I wonder if I should give up
>>82416754Enjoy breaking the law wasting your time and getting arrested by cucks retard.
>>82416719I get it honestly, I do.Your "past" is a nebulous thing that you can't change. You can have beauty to surgery to fix low attractiveness, you can lose weight (though they will fight that option almost as much as their whore ways), but you can never change the past without lying about it.I praise virgins, but am not one myself. And there was a few (fem)anons I was talking to who that was enough to bother them. It was depressing, but understandable. I didn't hold that against them.The reason they hate it and recoil like jews being pointed out they're jews, is because they're allergic to accountability. "What, my actions have consequences?!"I think that's why they hate the fat thing so much as well, it was entirely 100% their choice.Small boobs, acne, whatever, that lowers their attractiveness or at least causes them insecurity, but they're able to roll with it because that's just how things are. But being a whore? Being fat? That's something that's 100% their fault, and being blamed for that means they were in the wrong. And that would mean accepting accountability.
>>82416684I wouldn't want to dox myself either if I was sending nudes.
>>82416754Trying that would get you in trouble faster than just pumping and dumping
>>82416684In the 1970's a 16 year old supplied a fake ID and was the biggest porn star in the world until they found out, so technically everyone on earth is a pedo
>>82416657You've got the causation reversed. Happy women are more likely to decide on children, unhappy women will wait. Same with all your other examples. You are comparing apples to oranges, because women who decide on kids and those who decide against it are not the same.
>>82416754you sound like a nasty pedo
>>82416687>If she ages to 20, to 30, to 40 only loving anon, she will never be a slut.ridiculous. People have a nature, and a natural progression of their psychology and intellect. Your child bride will not be satisfied with you forever.In fact, women who are sheltered when young, are the biggest 'sluts' when they finally snap or get away from their family.>Frankly I don't see why you're so combative about this anyway. You are groomers, pedophiles, abusers in the making.>>82416697>>82416717my whole point is- you only say 18 because you're afriad to admit you're a pedo who is willing to go as low as the law allows. If you're 18 yourself then sure, go after your classmates, even go after 16 year olds, but the older you go, the older your partner should be
>>82416763That's like being held accountable for working your whole life instead of leeching off your parents and staying 'pure' that wayYou think you're superior because you missed out on experiences, or was passed over and judged unworthy of love?
>>82416762I don't think it's illegal, age of consent laws are weird. >>82416822Ah yes because working a job obviously notoriously makes you less desirable and stops people from seeing you as a person>>82416781I know>>82416800I don't get pedophilia, I just want to be the first person chosen by the girl once she reaches the age where she can choose who to fall in love with
>>82416789You don't know how to read studies it seems. Sad.>correlation not causation is the biggest midwit line parroted when the person has no idea what they're reading.But hey, I'll even give you an out. Find me a study that says the opposite. It should be easy if what you say is true.
>>82416858if you actually worked you'd realize it does sap some of your energy and your hands and feet might get dirty or callused or your voice might be coarse (teacher etc) but most people realize its worth the experience and the reward
>>82416812>the older you go, the older your partner should beWhy, because "lived experiences" make the older partner disproportionately mentally powerful in the relationship and it will inevitably lead to exploitation of the younger person (usually the girl)? By that logic, shouldn't 30 year old incels be allowed to date 16 year olds, since they have less relationship and social experience than the average 16 year old girl?
>>82416822>That's like being held accountable for working your whole life instead of leeching off your parents and staying 'pure' that wayThis is a weird line. Are you suggesting that people who leech off their parents are in some way better than those who work?I'm not even arguing against this line, this is just confusingly worded (I hope, I hope I'm misreading this line).>You think you're superior because you missed out on experiencesYou think you're superior because your experiences are bouncing on another guy's dick and choking on yet another guy's cock?Yeah I'd prefer a woman without those experiences thanks.>>82416812>ridiculous. People have a naturekek. attempting to escape accountability by saying it's your nature to be a slut.No, it's your choice.I believe what makes a human, human, is the ability to choose.It's fine that you chose to be a slut, all it means is that you're not a valid mate option to me or others here. But if you honestly attempt to argue that you didn't have a choice, then I would not consider you human.So, was you being a slut your choice or not?
>>82416371>You will wait for your virgin FOREVER while you reject many wonderful women, perhaps even your second half, just because she has a past?YES. im the one who chooses, you dont get to make that choice for me>Don't ask if they have a past, ask what it has taught themstfu roastie hag YOU DONT GET TO TELL ME WHO I FIND ATTRACTIVEi dont find old used up roastie hags with tattoos and experience will all kinds of guys sexyi find it fucking repulsivei will be the one who decides what kind of girl i find sexyand i find 18 year olds attractive or whatever the legal minimum isi dont like used up roastie hagsyou are not entitled to attention, sex, money and time from men. no, you do not get better with age. you get worse
>>82416416>To the contrary, a woman with a past relationship has proven her ability to pair bondcan someone post that infographic about how used up whores cant pair bond and are much more likely to get divorced and stuff? there was a good one i didnt save it
>>82416881You earn experience even if you're not in a relationship. Life experience from working, meeting people, reading books, basically existing in a society for long enough.Maybe if you've been in a coma for 10 years you can date a 10 year younger person.>>82416886Virginity = neetdom, relationship = workNothing noble in avoiding either work or relationships>>82416890>whatever the legal minimum ispedo beast
>>82416869>If you actually workedTrue all I've done in life so far apart from studying is help out at a summer job, babysit, work as a substitute teach and work as a tutor at uni. I have no idea what an actual full time job is like. That being said>Sap your energy How does that relate to her not being a whore>Hands and feet get dirty and callousedI'm a gym bro, I'm bound to make my wife ruin her hands with callouses either way>Voice might be coarseHow does that relate to her not being a whoreThe point of desired inexperience is that you want to have her explore love with only you in her mind. I could not give a shit if she's experienced *spins wheel* working as a cashier before.
>>82416896This one mayhappenings?
>>82416291It's offensive to me that you think i want an 18 yo woman I want a girl who just hit puberty and has 0 mental baggage, prefferably a hillbilyMost girls in age gap relationships get played around and become sluts to everyone especially if their first relationship is with an older guy fucking around. I dont want that, i want to make her my wife and long time partner
>>82416858You want to groom a 16-17 year old girl that sounds like pedo behavior. You literally say once she reaches the age where she can. . thats grooming
>>82416900Calling healthy male behavior pedophilia is turning that word into a compliment, it's the same reason why being called a fascist is popular again.
>>82416916Yes I'm well aware. What's your point?
>>82416914>HillbillyIdk man I'd want her to be in touch with modernity to some extent, have her educated enough to get a job to care for our children if I die in an accident. Plus I'd wanna play vidyas with her ngl.
>>82416900>pedo beast>NOOOOO you have to like me forever!>my diseased beef curtains, double digit body count and facial sagging are a positive!>im the catch! stop liking other younger sexier hornier nicer virginal girls!!! nooooo!!!>im the prize forever! theres nothing wrong with me! im perfect! my past is a plus because i learned how to please other men so well!
>>82416926that is is selfish because you only think about your self and not about how it can negatively impact a girl. also why would you want to do that?And do you really think some dad would be okay with you grooming his daughter
>>82416935I think hillbilly is the wrong word here. Id want her to have basic education and tech literacy as well but those are things you can take care off yourself. The most important thing is that she has 0 mental baggage
>>82416914i think a great amonut of guys want that, problem is its highly illegal and people get banned for even expressing this desire
>>82416291Most women don't mentally grow up until they leave college and realize work sucks.
This roastie toastie still is coping? It isn't hard to understand that self respecting men don't want a pussy where a dozen men been inside If that makes someone a pedo then there wouldn't be enough prisons in the world
Last women I was into was 30.Then again, I'm also not some incel tradcuck.
>>82416946>and not about how it can negatively impact a girl.This is a self defeating argument for you.What about the ways it can positively impact a girl? A girl gets a wise and mature man with money who is willing to take care of her and love her. What's wrong with that?>Noooo! She needs to experience all her firsts with someone else!Oh, so first experiences are important?>YES!That's why we want them then, no whores please k thx>REEEEEEE
>>82416946whatever bro shut the fuck upnobody ever cared about me or wanted me. you, nor would anyone else, wouldnt accept "you're selfish because you dont care about me"what kind of clown reaching logic is thatim not entitled to people caring about me any more than girls are entitled to me simping for themand i find old used up roastie hags fucking vile and repulsiveold hags are are NOT ENTITLED to my attention and affectiontheres still lots of men who like older girls but id rather die a virgin than so much as be seen with you in public in a romantic setting
>>82416981hope you never find a young girl and only old bitches want you
>>82416946>that is is selfish
>>82416983I wouldn't word it that way, but I agree with you brother.
>>82416981>>Noooo! She needs to experience all her firsts with someone else!kek You're thinking too much, women just say what they feel, they can't think about the logical solution of what they're saying
>>82416989see, why would you wish that?you worthless entitled cuntpeople who like barely legal girls are doing nothing morally wrongyou just wish men suffer for nothing. you are so fucking entitled to men worshipping your nasty sagging roastie beef curtains that you wish men would rather die alone than be happy with someone elseyou are fucking disgusting, pathetic, selfish, a hypocrite and nasty. nasty on the inside, nasty on the outsideyou are NOT ENTITLED to people liking you. not on any ground, be it moral grounds or otherwiseyou are fucking pathetic and repulsive
>>82416914To add, i'm not solely attracted to young girls, i do like older women as well and find them somewhat gracious especially if they're not whores or harlots. I would not leave the girl just because "she hit the wall"
>>82416989>can't answer >I wish you don't get what you wantHoly kek Imagine taking women seriously
thank you for reminding me men are monsters
>>82416989Honestly I fail to see why this bothers you.You have a past as a whore don't you? You've had so many men take interest in you. Surely you'll find another one. Good luck with the next one, hope you can keep this one!
>>82417014>thank you for reminding me men are monsterssurely you are hooking up with the other girls now since men are so evil?
Poster you responded to here>>82416946>You're only thinking about yourself We all are inherently doing so, people only claim to do otherwise because pretending to be sympathetic and selfless makes THEM feel better about themselves. I want a wife to fulfill my needs first and foremost, and I plan on doing everything I can to make her the happiest she can be within that context. All human interactions come down to a similar transaction, this one's just less complicated to see through.>negatively impact a girlI'm running a tiny cosplay and fitness Instagram and every now and then a few girls from around the world develop small crushes and send me fanart or start venting in my dms. I've heard dozens of stories of girls on Omegle or chat platforms being groomed into sending nudes when they were single digit age and how it's ruined their perception of themselves and how they hate themselves for it. I've also heard a ton of 18+ women talk about how they've spent their early adult life looking for validation from men and being physically used and dumped and left broken over and over again. I'm sure what I'm doing isn't the OPTIMAL way to look after a partner, but considering I plan on loving and cherishing a woman to the end of my days, I'm sure my wife will do significantly better than the majority of girls.>why would you want to do thatWhat exactly? Groom a 16-17 year old? Because I want to be their first and only idea of love in life. I'm actually physically most attracted to women aged 23-33 to be honest, but emotional attraction comes first, and it's in it like they won't ever age up lol.>Do you think their Dad is gonna be fine with it?That's why it's a dream. Maybe it'll work, maybe I'll have to wait two additional years while dating her in secret, who knows.>>82416951Oki then>>82416981Also this, any woman that never had to go through dating tons of man seems happy about it.>>82417014Just don't be a whore </3
>>82417009Imagine going after young girls. . .>>82417003I agree that no one is entitled to people liking you. Thank you for saying im nasty on the inside you are the first person to see me.
>>82417014no. we just have standards that you dont always fit intosome of us are very willing to commit in a honest relationship and try our best together, etcits just that, most men do gag at the prospect of marrying some roastie ran through tattood sagging hagjust because you feel entitled to men worshipping rotting roast beef, doesnt mean they are entitled to do so
>>82417025*it's not like they won't ever age upMy bad I'm using my phone right now and the weird swipe to write feature is sometimes inconsistent
>>82417030>ImagineI don't have to imagine I'M DOING IT RIGHT NOW NIGGA
>>82417025Why dont you search for a 23-33 old with the emotional things you like about young girls?>>82417021Isnt this site about sharing opinions or something like that? And never been a whore maybe some day I will reach my full potential lol
>>82417042You know that you just like the idea of a young naive girl. They will get old and then you just go after the next one.
>>82417046>Just wait until you're older and find a 23-33 year old attractive woman that's never experienced love beforeNot only is that impossible, but it'd also be a shame to not see the entirety of my wife's prime years being spent with me. Prime not referring to my personal attraction but rather their ability to choose a mate, 16-26 ish.>>82417055I don't think so. My Dad met my 17 year old mom when he was in his 30s and they're still together to this day. Also I'd love nothing more than spending my life with someone I can be truly genuine with, I despise unnatural changes that I need to enforce in most ways.
>>82417014Let us review:The men: >we want a girl we can experience enjoy the innocence of a new romance with, someone to fall in love with, someone to make happyYou:>I HOPE YOU NEVER FIND HAPPINESS REEEEEEEAnd we're the monsters?The only possible way I can be charitable here is to construct a hypothetical where you were once some innocent girl who trusted a guy, was pumped and dumped, and regrets not being wanted by a segment of the male population now.Which is really weird, because most guys legitimately don't care about that in the first place, so you shouldn't care.You know what? That happened to me.I had sex with a (virgin, legal) girl, and she left me. We were actually the same age for what its worth, back when I was younger. I then met a girl who valued virginity in men (what?) and things didn't proceed any further as a result of that. I was sad, but I don't blame her for her preference. Why would I?The only other possible scenario I can imagine, is that you're somehow still a virgin, you just aged out of whatever your insecure mind has labeled "young and fresh".>>82417046Like this post seems to imply.Which, if it -was- purely an age cope thing, then that just means you a dummy who lacks reading comprehension. All of us have said that it's the virginity that matters, not the age.A 20yo virgin >>> 16 year old who's had sex with three people.If you are indeed a virgin, then our opinions and stances shouldn't bother you at all. You should be glad that we would value you so much more highly than other women.It's like you're arguing for the sake of it. Which to be fair so am I lol.
>>82417055>They will get old and then you just go after the next one.you will get old and she'll get bored with you go after the younger guy, had it happen to me in person. society likes to think only guys want young hotties
>>82416789No, that would apply to the first study they linked, which didn't control for any factors and only wanted to show and breakdown the prevalence of PPD, but the third study shows that women of all ages shown in the study generally get happier when they get pregnant. Some of this has to do with the social welfare Norway provides for mothers, but I don't think that's relevant to either point.If you were to critique it, it would probably be on the grounds that they don't control for factors when comparing to the general population. They stated that one large factor could be from the general decrease in SWL as people age, but said it was unlikely since SWL goes up for women as they age. However, the general population data doesn't control for whether women don't want children, have children, or want children but don't have any. Another point only relevant to the thread, is that the study is talking about 25-31 when referring to "young", which I would say is a pretty far cry from 18-20, and "old" is 38+. The second study also doesn't really contradict your initial point, rather it supports both. Younger people (up to 30 in this study) are indeed more likely to drink during pregnancy by 5x on average, but women over 30 are far more likely to binge drink. However, while outcomes for drinking are obviously worse than not, they also state that outcomes for the children for women over 30 who drink are far worse on average than under 30 both due to socioeconomic factors that might only be correlation, but also due to health factors, that are far less likely to only be correlated.
>>82417066>My Dad met my 17 year old mom when he was in his 30s and they're still together to this day.This will be one of the last things I read tonight, and I wanted to say thank you for it.It's pretty grim here but I like being able to have hope.
>>82417032Wow, what a beautiful picture of the average foid vagina!
>>82417066The age range 23-26 fits in both of your categories so you not do that? >>82417070If its only about virginity I can understand it. There was also someone talking about grooming and that is the part where I just dont agree with. Im but I dont care if people value me high or low.Arguing for the sake of it is fun :)
>>82417014If you think that men are monsters you'd support virginity since women wouldn't sleep with the so called monsters. Also if they sleep with just one the chances of them getting hurt is lower
>>82417079To be fair, my Dad had worked his ass off up to that point and could offer my mom a lot more than most men and my mom never got along well with my Dad's mom. All relationships have their individual issues and hurdles, and you should still not harbor negative feelings towards the opposite sex in general because your partner, independently of how many criteria she fulfills, will still be a member of the opposite sex. Good luck anon, I'll need it too.>>82417094>The age range 23-26 fits in both of your categoriesFind me a single attractive 23 year old that hasn't loved someone before in her life before I find a 16-17 year old and I promise you I'll date and marry her instead. Drop your Discord and I promise to God I'll be waiting.>groomingSomeone said waiting to be the first in line counts as it, and that's the best way to ensure you get the virgin. If we're going by that definition, it's essentially impossible to get what you want without it.
>>82417074>The second study also doesn't really contradict your initial point, rather it supports both. Younger people (up to 30 in this study) are indeed more likely to drink during pregnancy by 5x on average, but women over 30 are far more likely to binge drink. However, while outcomes for drinking are obviously worse than not, they also state that outcomes for the children for women over 30 who drink are far worse on average than under 30 both due to socioeconomic factors that might only be correlation, but also due to health factors, that are far less likely to only be correlated.Did you skip over this line?>However, self-reported rates of binge drinking were not significantly different between younger pregnant women (18 to 24 years old), at 2.5%, and older pregnant women (>34 years old), at 1.8%Secondly, and this was surprising to me, but the older women reported higher uses of both alcohol and cocaine. AADXP = absolute alcohol per day across pregnancy. The younger mothers reported 0.11, the older mothers reported 0.2.Poor things.
>>82417118not even joking but I know a lot of girls that fit what you what lolIts just the waiting part in combination with the age thing which is gross to me
>>82417131Basically dating a girl means grooming them since they simply take up the males opinions because they adore them. Without the guy manipulating them in some way. But then again, simply acting competent and orderly could be interpreted by radfems as grooming. No wonder they love trannies so much
>>82417131>Its just the waiting part in combination with the age thing which is gross to meIf you don't do it, someone else will
>>82417114I think her thought process is more >They stop seeing us as valid people for having sex? A natural process everyone experiences? What an inhumane thing to do.And I do kind of understand since we stopped educating girls on this like what, centuries ago at this point? They feel like they've fallen into a trap they can never get out of. The actual villains of this story are the sex positive degenerates that told women the opposite. Call em cucks, call em feminists, call em Jews, call em post war hippies, call em normies, call em whatever, point is we need to do a better job raising and educating our daughters than the previous generations have.>>82417131Yeah I get it may seem pedophilic. Like hell, I have two younger siblings, did babysitting, worked as a substitute teach, currently work as a tutor and would attempt murder if someone tried taking a child's innocence. But if an older teen/young adult gets to the point of already making their first steps in romance, I'd prefer to be their first and only choice then and there for the rest of their lives. If they take longer and they make that first step at 20+, then sure, I don't mind. It just happens that it usually happens at 16-17 because that's usually where puberty ends and they get bombarded with male attention. I'm glad you're looking out for those girls tho, that's very sweet of you.
>>82417131You're thinking with emotions and not reason.If 18 is fine to date at 18, 18 is fine to date at 25.All that stuff about power dynamics and whatever else is presupposing malicious intent.Again, if the man had so much power and maturity and wisdom and was wanting to love the girl, that's the stuff of half of the female romance books out there.And if you're presupposing malicious intent, then the age question doesn't factor in at all. 21 year old guys can get 21 year old girls drunk and take advantage of them. That's not any more acceptable just because they're the same age.What you have a problem with is malicious intent, not age disparity.If you were to keep it to that, you would have everyone in this thread agreeing with you.None of us think people should do bad things to each other.
>>82417145im not a radical feminist with grooming I mean: building trust with a child or vulnerable person to exploit them later. Also there is a power imbalance between a 16-18 year old and a full on adult.>>82417147Okay thats still bad. I see a unlocked car so I will steal it cause otherwise someone else will
>>82417179>vulnerable personThat's any woman at any age. >unlocked carBut it doesn't have an owner. The first person to step into it becomes its owner. That's the point.
>>82417179there is always a power imbalance because women are intrinsically children. Theres no difference of a Father taking his daughter to the fair and asking for food then complaining about it. To the boyfriend taking the gf to the food market and her complaining about it. Nothings changed.
>>82417192You wouldn't download a car.You have been muted
>>82417163I understand you a bit more and its good that we agree that taking a childs innocence is disgusting and vile. The thing that I see as weird is building a bond with a 16-17 and (waiting till they are ripe part).Thanks they are good friends of mine
>>82417172My problem mostly relates to knowing someone when they are still a minor and going after them when they are a adult. If they meet at 18 and 25 is see less problem with it.>>82417192>>82417195How are women intrinsically children? There is a huge difference between a 18 and 40 year old women
>women are intrinsically childrenIs one way man admit that>men are intrinsically pedophiles
>>82416419>18 year old>incel
>>82417254>How are women intrinsically children?>There is a huge difference between a 18 and 40 year old womenWomen don't want responsibility for their actions like a child. If I didn't like the food you took me wrong restaurant, it's your fault. If I cheated on you with the pool boy, its your fault because you didn't give me what I wanted.
>>82417195I don't like the infantilization wording but the core idea is mostly true, a woman is a vulnerable person and therefore has someone ensuring her well-being, first her father, then her partner. This is the entire concept behind marriage and why a woman swaps from her father's last name to her partner's.>>82417218Gem>>82417228Oh it's not like I'm waiting for 14-15 year olds to hit a mark before I strike, I've rejected that age group before when I matched with girls that lied about their age on Tinder and what not, that really does feel weird and creepy. It's moreso just>Encounter person>See if they fit standards>Settle on platonic bond if notSo if I do end up meeting a 16-17 year old (or hey, for the sake of argument even someone older even if that's essentially impossible) that just started getting to the point in her life where she might explore romance, I might consider spending time with her to see if she develops a crush on me, and if she does, I'll consider a relationship, probably getting to know her family in a year or so. That's about it. I'm not planning on traumatizing your friends, I hope they have wonderful lives :3>>82417254>Difference between 18 and 40 year old woman...how exactly again? They're both physically vulnerable to men and have vaguely the same likelihood of being financially dependent on one, be it a father or a partner. >>82417264Eh, I'd moreso argue that women tend to show autopedophilic traits more than men do the inverse.
>>82417254>How are women intrinsically children?They are less mature, less "generally aware of the world", less aware of risks*, etc.* Yes, men do more risky things, but they're aware of the risks and choose to do it anyway, for better or worse.Notably, they are almost entirely unwilling to "do" whatever themselves, almost always relying on someone else to "do" the thing for them. For instance, this line here:>>82416637>this stat will justify culling you like the beasts you areI would bet almost anything that when any woman says something like this, she means "the police", or "the government", or some other group of men.The woman does not enact change upon this world herself, she begs, asks, or whines to the man to do it for her.This is not unlike a child asking something from its parent.
>>82417279Those are just examples of narcissists. lol
>>82417014You come here to have your preconception of men be justified by interacting with garbage.You are doing this to yourself.Imagine going to a prison and going "wow, nearly all of you are evil".No shit.Grow up and stop going to r9k for this. You chose to be unhappy by being here and the only logical reason I can see why you'd do this is because you think of yourself as being garbage too, so this is all you deserve.Get a grip.
>>82417300>Those are just examples of narcissists. lolsigh
The standard should be no sex before marriage, protects the woman from getting pumped and dumped, and lets the man get a virgin wife that's his and his alone, and there should be harsh punishment for infidelity, bare minimum the offending party forfeits any claim to assets in the impending divorce. Also, paternity tests should be the default and circumcision should be banned
>>82417330>Ban circumcisionWhy, I like that my dick looks cleaner this way
>>82417341>>82417341>Why, I like that my dick looks cleaner this wayjust clean your dick you lazy fuck
>>82417284A 18 and 40 year old are different in a lot of ways mentally. I didnt mean physically One just started adult life and has no real experience and the other on has decades of it. Do you think there is a difference between what a 18 old and 40 old man values?I tried convincing a few of them to use this but non of them where interested :(
>>82417375I've seen 60 year old women turn into giggling schoolgirls when a 6 ft 20 year old tradesman shows up. They bang him on the spot if he asked like a 14 year old.
>>82417287If you think that sure women work that way and are less aware and everything gets done for them just like a child.>>82417313funny so the point is Al women are narcissists?
>>82417382Strange ladies but still both of them are adults and they didnt have any prior relationship with the man before he was 18 so i see less problem.I have seen 50+ year old man turning there heads 180 when they see a young women does this mean 18 and 50 year olds are the same?
>>82416291It's normal biology for men to be attracted to females just after puberty when they are most fertile and healthy like every other damn animal on this planet. Pedophilia is liking people before they go through puberty (which is dysfunctional) you retards have made the word worthless from misuse. Modern notions of age are made up nonsense we used to make 14 year olds Kings and Emperors and die in wars. We're animals nature doesn't give a fuck about our made up rules and cultural bullshit. Time to grow up and stop with this stupid infantilization hysteria.
>>82417375>experience Experience is worth a lot only within a context, an experienced engineer is obviously going to make a better product than a newbie. But we know that in terms of love, experience tends to correlate with worsening outcomes, so it's not really an advantage. Or if you were talking about how experience makes an 18 and 40 year old woman different people in general, then I'd argue it's more a generational thing rather than experience. We all have interacted with old people that are rude and incompetent at everything they do, simply because that's how they decided to go through life. Experience is really only helpful in very unique skills you want to get better at over time.Also as >>82417382 pointed out, we're equally animalistic across all age groups, it's just that our ability to act on them gets worse as we age upwards.>Do you think there is a difference between what a 18 old and 40 old man values? See graph, it's even worse with men.>convincing a few of them to use thisYou mean 4chan? Not sure if that's a good idea, there's a lot of weird people and weird porn on here. Generally always best practice to just exchange Discord or whatever with people you think seem cool and to keep things at that.
>>82417406>Strange ladieswait til you get older, then you'll see it
>>82416900You don't get relationship experience from reading books or existing. A 30 year old khhv has less experience than the average 16 year old girl. If experience is a concern to you (but it's not, it's a bad faith excuse) then you don't want those guys to date a woman their age.
do you know what pisses me the FUCK OFF about all of these roasties complaining?how much all of them laugh, overtly or secretly, at any time the male is the loserthey LOVE spamming BBC porn and how much they love fucking black guysthey LOVE spamming "im asian girls only" "im latino guys only" kind of shit all day on r9k. they get off on it>"eeewwww i dont like guys who arent hung, yuk">"eeeewww he's bald, or short, or ugly.... gross!"but the second guys show preference to non-whore young virgins, these roasties LOSE THEIR SHIT and start using every deceptive lie in the book to hurt and shame men for not wanting to be with themholy FUCK these nasty roastie cunts are actually the most repulsive trash in existence. it actually pisses me off how entitled and powerful they arefor ONE MOMENT they realize that men actually do have a preference, and since they're not it after being used by all sorts of normie guys, now if they cant be a winner, then no body can"i wish you die alone as a virgin because you like younger virgins"its unreal how fucking REPULSIVE this hags are, honestly. holy SHIT just thinking about them puts me on tilt
>>82417392as usual the women run out of of argument sand just go retard mode. I suppose the only reason they are allowed on the internet is to post nudes.
>>82417437It was more ment as a joke they all founded it nasty and dont want me to be on here lol.>>82417438No I wont be like that. Im not even anything close to that now.
>>824162911. That's not pedophilia, it's ephebophilia at worst, and 18 is already a tyrannically high age of consent that is impractical to enforce in reality.2. Younger women are nicer, healthier and have less baggage.3. Heterosexual norms position women as more child-like to select for men who will be better fathers.
>>82417478Emh. . . idk what you mean with retard mode but women dont go to the government and such groups because they are mostly men. They go to them because they have power. Do you even interact with women?
>>82417518What you think the government is here to help us and address our concerns? kek
>>82416291>easy to manipulate, dominate and violateSad that women have backed themselves into this corner and seriously believe that's what men want. Men treat old single women like whores because they are whores. They knowingly traded in their value as a mate for a ten-year ticket to the cock carousel. Young virgins with innocent hearts are the ones who can soften a man into a loyal caregiver. It's biology. This was common sense to every single human being who walked the earth until the 1960s.I can't imagine cheating on a girl who gave me her virginity, her heart, her whole life. But I've messed around on tons of girlfriends who later got bored of me and moved onto the next thing. Why should I play by a rulebook they threw away years before meeting me?I'm happily married now, by the way. And guess what? She was a virgin. Not the prettiest girl I've ever dated or the one who shares my interests, just the one who wanted to be all mine.
I'm 34 and want to date an 18 year old.Fuck societal norms.
>>82417567Sadly no :( and what is a kek?
>>82417653dont u dare post denji, the boy who wanted to lose his v card to an older, experienced, degen woman
>>82417658>Sadly no :( and what is a kek?its a long story, but basically: lol
>>82417663she's disgusting, so I'm glad he didn'the deserves a pure girl like Power, instead
>>82417341As an adult it's okay even though I find it a retarded decision, just go out of your way to chop your dick skin. Doing it on babies is evil
>>82417663>dont u dare post denji, the boy who wanted to lose his v card to an older, experienced, degen womanthat ive heard from guys that lost it to older women, they fetishize older women and continually pursue them until they fucking 60 year old women when they are 40
All women are vulnerable, therefore following your argument every man is a pedo
Anybody younger than my sister is an eternal obnoxious brat in my eyes.Anybody 5 years younger than me is cradle robbing in my eyes.Any woman trying to have kids past age 30 is completely retarded.Therefore I would have to date a girl who is increasingly younger than me if I wanted to have kids, but that would break the rule about her being more than 2 years younger than me and being an annoying zoomer. Not marrying a single mom.Not marrying a whore.I've given up and will continue to give up.
>>82416914>I dont want that, i want to make her my wife and long time partnerThis
>>82417480I'm surprised you're still actually talking about having friends that fit the bill without any anon begging for you to introduce them to your friends
girls are objectively their most beautiful between 11-14 and I don't care what anyone says because I am a patrician
>>82416320stop name dropping me marco
>>82416371>while you reject many wonderful womenlike you?>wonderfulLOL. whores aren't wonderful>just because she has a pasta past of sucking cock and getting fucked in the ass by 300 different men, fuck that shit, kill yourself
Femanons post your nudes
>>82416291>blaming men instead of Jewish producers and owners of porn
>>82417789because my friends dont want old men like this. . .
>>82416371My thoughts about The Professional is that it's a spin on Lolita with all the gross stuff removed, so you are left thinking, "This is wrong," but can't really put your finger one why. Leon doesn't appear to have any inappropriate interest in Matilda, Matilda approaches Leon and drives the relationship forward, Leon sacrifices himself for Matilda, so I'd say he loved her. I'm not sure where this grooming comes into play since he almost killed her at one point.
>>82418340I just turned 31, I'm not old </3
>>82418344I think it's obvious Mathilda was traumatized by the whole thing and so the first person who actually showed a modicum of care for her she latched onto and thought she loved romantically. She was only 12 and didn't really understand these things. I don't think Leon had any desire to actually rape her or anything.
>>82418344>>82419702you're analizing it at a surface level. I am thinking not about Leon, but about the male viewer that this movie appeals to. It appeals to you because it's a story that justifies grooming and you want a desperate 12 year old girl to fall in love with you. Taxi driver is another such story. Muh saving a damsel in distress and becoming a hero.
>>82416291I'm 32. I would literally never date a woman my own age. The maximum age I would ever consider dating or marrying is 24 and this will stay true regardless of how old I get. I have seen 12-13 year old girls irl not on the internet and no I wouldn't date those since they're way too flat. 16 and up is fine if they're well developed, and also I think you're just being a bitter old hag since most of the teen girls I've spoken with said they would date a guy that could be their dad (we're talking over 20 year age gap) so girls are reverse-pedophiles :V
>>82419761>It appeals to you because it's a story that justifies grooming and you want a desperate 12 year old girl to fall in love with you. Lol, no? The only thing I knew about the movie before I watched it was a hitman who makes a little girl his apprentice. I didn't expect it to go into the direction it did. It's not a surface level analysis either, Leon doesn't make any sexual moves onto Mathilda. Mathilda is obviously starting puberty around the same time her entire family is killed and this stranger takes her in who shows some interest in her wellbeing. She's confused and doesn't really know how to process her feelings. Leon likely views her as a daughter like figure, while Mathilda confuses her feelings and thinks she has to marry Leon. >Muh saving a damsel in distress and becoming a hero.That's not even what Taxi Driver is about, you're the one analyzing film superficially. Travis Bickle is a proto-incel who fails to win the girl because of his own faults, so he gets angry and decides to lash out in violence. He saves the child prostitute so he can LARP as a knight. The film is a criticism of men wanting to save a damsel in distress, you were just too stupid to see that.
>>82419815Also when she tells the hotel clerk that Leon is her lover, he sends CPS after him lmao. The film acknowledges that such a relationship would be exploitative.
>>82419702Any woman in the same situation would have been traumatized, probably even more that Matilda appears to be in the movie, she only cared about her little brother getting kill and didn't give a fuck about anybody else.Im sure millions of tween girls have flicked there bean to the idea of a man falling in love with them and sacrificing themselves for her.
>>82419857>Im sure millions of tween girls have flicked there bean to the idea of a man falling in love with them and sacrificing themselves for her.Probably, even adult women. OP is seething because some men have fantasies about protecting women lmao. "Oh no! This guy is daydreaming about being a honorable knight and earning the respect of his peers for defeating a great evil."Every guy ever has fantasized about that scenario.
>>82418774dude they are like 18-19 thats too old. . .
>>82416291>women who barely had their first period and are so gulliable, vulnerable, easy to manipulate, dominate and violate.stop, i can only get so erect
>>82416291>wanting to fug an 18 year old means you want to fug a sixth graderc'mon dawg
>>82420020pedo thats what your kind is called
>>82420071men have been having sex with teenage girls who weren't attracted to them for thousands of years. it's healthy and normal and civilised
>>82416371this is why i hated this movie so much, it's a pedo male fantasy wrapped up in an action film
>>82416291Yeah well, it doesn't stop you from using that tag even though you're like 30. And then I also notice that neither fact prevents you from accumulating plenty of followers.
>>82417264Isn't it hilarious how men are supposed to direct their energy towards competition and achievement while it's sexist to say that women are supposed to direct their energy towards family, marriage, and homekeeping?
>>82421460female mammals out there in the wild live alone and support their offspring perfectly fine even without a male though? marriage is kind of off the table here
>>82421504>human women are no better than beastsgood job
>>82416677She'll stay but only for the money, and she won't love you because your perspective will not allow her to. Since you only value her youth she should charge by the hour naturally. Have you considered just sticking with prostitutes rather than trying to treat women like fancy paintings to impress the people you actually care about?
>>82416291dating 15 year olds is not pedophilia, dating prepubescents is. 18 is the law because we needed to make a law and put an age there, and it roughly lines up with when people get out of high school. This effort to view 18 year olds as children in the culture is never going to stick, and the idea of dating even a 16-17 year old is not immoral, it's just simply illegal. Especially as most people get poorer, delaying adulthood is for middle class or rich people, because poor and working class people have to start working pretty much as soon as the law allows them, and they face the realities of adulthood as young as 16.
>>82421708Poorfag raised by a single mother, I was the man of the house by 14, had to get a job, figure out how to change the brakes on my mother's car, fix the plumbing, etc, etc.
>>82416291>why are all moids barely hiding their pedophilic tendencies?because it's illegal
>>82419797Do you have an ideal age, anon?
>>82416291Satan writes the porn titles lol. Literally he is immortal, and does that. He looks kinda pathetic. I guess we cant really blame Satan though, its likely not his fault. But I still get a good chuckle whenever I read the porn titles hes written because he is really trying hard. Alright im gonna come clean. It is totally his fault. He decided that we would experience cuckolding. This was no a random cuckolding torture plane, he makes the cuckolding on purpose. But if you tell somebody that, theyll definitely disagree. Theyll say, you just got unlucky. Thats not true, Satan tortures people on purpose with cuckolding. And makes it look natural. Which is his big gimmick is torturing people behind the scenes like hes not even there.
>>82422252NTA, but despite advocating for youth and fertility and blah blah earlier up in the thread, my ideal range is around 20.Young enough to get all the physical benefits of the body for childbirth, and old enough to have enough of the mental effects of age. Plus you don't have to deal with the worry of the law, which, let's face it, if you're already prone to anxiety is worth the few year difference even if you prefer younger. Plus they have all the freedom to do whatever as an adult.
>>82416291Cry more, foid. Cry until you die.
>>82421513It's literally true.They choose the bear, they fuck dogs, they love horses, they fall for the most violent men. You know that stat about how 80+% of women through history have been able to reproduce, well that implies that not much evolution has been happening with the women. They are the same as they were back in the neanderthal days.
>>82416291Yeah calling 18-20 yo women "fresh" is a joke. They have a minimum body count of 50 by then
>>82422459That is the knowledge that these women try to hide with all their outrage; they have been fucking and sucking on 20 year old men since middle school.
>>82422459thats right, there's a MINIMUM of fifty separate dicks that the median woman takes by 18-20 years old. you got it. holy fuck man yeah girls are getting fucked at 14 but median of fifty by 18 or 20? you're fucked in the head man. it's not quite THAT bad
>>82422459>>82422487All of these numbers are made up.
>>82416291I don't hide it, I'm pretty open about it.
