Literally the last thing Charlie Kirk discussed was gun violence and his literal last word was "violence." Don't tell me there isn't a God. Holy shit. Eerie as fuck!
>>82497931>god = mild coincidencebut he doesn't intervene to stop genocide, got it
>>82497936And yet Donald Trump's very very very very slight turn of the head saved his life. Literally exactly right time and everything.
>>82497931>wake up in an immense sprawling material temple brimming with the same energy that made the universe hurr hurr this is just mundane and an accident >a conversation was around a controversial topic before a murder THIS MUST HAVE BEEN DIVINE INTERVENTION! EERIE!
>>82498069The timing is what matters. This moment was by design. The human body and life is just whatever.
>>82498140I know this is an overused word but you are actually a dumbass
>>82497936That's because there is no genocide.
>>82497936Maybe they deserve itIt's impossible to discern the nature of God
>>82497936In a timeline, there must be both a good and bad, for the concept of good to exist there must be bad, for light to exist there must be darkness, in a timeline good and bad fighting each other until the end where eternal goodness is reached is the most meaningful way for a universe to operateImagine if God did come down to earth and stop a genocide, then people would be if he stopped that genocide, why doesnt he stop the other genocide? To be fair he must stop all genocides, if he stopped all genocides why doesnt he stop random murders and rapes? If he stopped random murders and rapes why doesnt he just stop another bad thing, leading to all bad being stopped and the balance of good and bad is stopped
>>82498836the world would be much more meaningless and absurd if we humans made in God's image never faced evil, bad, misfortunes and challenges of life. God likes fighting evil,solving problems created from bad, creating and designing to solve problems resulting from bad or reducing bad in some way, in general there needs to be a challenge for us humans to keeps solving and advancing, look at how things get created and invented to solve problems resulting from bad, the wheel was made to solve the problem which resulted from bad, agriculture was discovered to solve the problem of the bad and horrible conditions of a hunter gatherer life style and such and such leading to the modern day
>>82497957that was actually Shinzo Abe, not god >>82498836so he chooses to kill a devoted Christian with some sick irony? religion nuts make my head turn
>>82498861Christians die in the billions in human history, world wars, famines, plagues and many other misfortunes. He is not special and if you ask my personal opinion, I dont think he was a real Christian, he supported isreal which is a state built off of judaism which is the most anti-Christian belief in human history. He supported the synagogue of satan. Well even if he was a real Christian, he would be in heaven and death wouldnt be such a big deal. As I said the concept of bad and good as a balance should exist in all humans, even if they pray and worship to the one true God. Atheists say death isnt a big deal since Christians go to heaven, that logic should apply to why Christians suffer so much, even in the Bible its written about how the one true God was crucified and called, Christianity has a deeper concept of glorifying and giving meaning to the sufferers, the sick, the diseased and the bullied, living in this horrifying world full of death and suffering, the suffering gets some sort of meaning through enjoying great eternal joy and peace in heaven once they die, Christianity gives meaning to suffering, During the roman times, the end times and many other historical times that atheits can accept, Christians are often killed and persecuted as the Bible predicted
>>82498861Kirk is punished for falling to the lies of the synagogue of satan as a state, this has a greater meaning of spreading the word, do not support modern day israel nor judaism, they are satanic anti -Christians and its bizarre seeing american "Christians" supporting them so much, God uses death and suffering as a warning to others, because humans are dumb and they can only learn through feeling pain like a child that needs to be disciplined, the message of not supporting the synagogue of satan is written in the Bible yet a lot of "Christians" ignore it and continue to support israel, this is a warning a sign for things to turn around
>>82498895i mean if believing in a god makes you happy jg good for you, just none of it makes any logical sense to me
>>82498907well i would be interested in you responding to my points, I was atheist before and believing that everything is truly chaotic and meaningless drives you insane, all the suffering and hardship means nothing and you're gonna die with a life full of suffering and misery, the one chaotic experience on this earth has been a miserable boring experience, while others get the lottery by being born millionares, I dont know how people can rest and be sane thinking about how truly meaningless this world is from an atheist prespective, so many dead children and people who have suffered unspeakably in the billions in human history, for it all to be meaningless instead of them going to heaven to finally taste what peace and love feels like
>>82498928id consider myself an deist absurdistthere's probably some unnatural thing that started it all but i don't think it ever interacted with us or gave us purposeso while i think life has no inherent meaning, that doesnt really matter cause who needs "meaning" when you can just live to your fullest extent on earth?i mean i think the endless suffering instead points more towards no inherent meaning, things happen because of what has happened before.Hitler didn't just decide to enact the holocaust and spread suffering, every event that had ever happened on earth led to that moment one way or another.I don't think suffering has to have a meaning, because that would mean every single thing that happens would also have to have meaning to it. Suffering happens, and its bad, but there's nothing we can do except accept what happened, move on, and grow from it.
>>82498836>The creator of the universe keeps the bad things to make it interestingI mean that's at least a semi-reasonable take. A perfect universe would be pointless.However, why worship a thing that fucks with you for fun? In this scenario of keeping bad things around to make it more interesting, you're the poor sap that has to deal with the bad things. Get raped, starve, wallow in misery, loneliness, fear, pain, fucking mosquitos, etc.All evidence points to the universe being pure chaos and random anyway. You can say a magician made it that way on purpose, but it just feels like rationalizing a belief.
>>82498954>so while i think life has no inherent meaning, that doesnt really matter cause who needs "meaning" when you can just live to your fullest extent on earth?Thats the problem, on this board many people are incels or some sort of reject of society. Never getting love and acceptance from your fellow humans as you were biologically programmed to do so. some people are born elliot rodgers while some are born chads, so if you only know suffering and you get angry about how other people are so happy, Christianity makes sense, first worlders are so comfortable and lacking true suffering like in the third world with famines, wars and horrible diseases, so the third world relies on Religion to give meaning and stability during times of intense suffering, same can be pointed about medieval europe.Thinking that suffering will never reach you is a very privilaged opinion, even if you personally never taste true horrible suffering, your bloodline will taste it since human history repeats, and human history summarized is human suffering. Even first world paradises like switzerland will face some kind of horrifying event in the future, even if its the far future.>things happen because of what has happened before.Makes sense, but this could be applied to the Christian world view too, theres a constant struggle between bad and good, if there is a terrible famine, some geniuses make a new tool that makes farming efficient which saves millions in the future.The concept of schadenfreude also exists, but i guess you could say people are sadistic and evil from past experiences but some people are genuinely just naturally evil with no misfortunes happening to them, almost like its satanic.Well in a religious world everything has meaning in everything.
>>82497931He went to valhalla. Kash Patel told me.
>>82498954>Suffering happens, and its bad, but there's nothing we can do except accept what happened, move on, and grow from it.Ive noticed a great pattern of the non-Christian mentality. Notice how india or some other raisinhole is very dirty, corrupt and has too many problems creating misery, while Christian civilizations are developed, even ethiopia and nigeria are highly developed compared to their islamic neighbors.The best historic message of Christianity is, IF THERE IS SUFFERING, WE WILL NOT ACCEPT IT,WE WILL FIGHT AND STRUGGLE TO SOLVE IT AS OUR LORD DEFIED DEATH, if there is a problem Christians dont think "oh life is meaningless chaotic consisting of suffering, so it doesnt matter if we solve it or make it better, we're gonna die anyway, we have to accept it", but they think "we must follow the Lord in how he solved so many problems, to go to heaven I must solve others problems.
>>82499033I mean what youre doing hear is putting a circle into a square hole, which i guess works but you still have empty cornersan all loving, all powerful, all knowing, perfect, and eternal god raises more questions than it answers.a perfectly loving being shouldn't want to test us if its truly perfectly loving, and something that is eternally perfect would be beyond such human concepts as "suffering" an eternally perfect and loving being would just do whatever makes its creations feel as perfectly loved as possible without caring about testing or making us grow
>>82497931>literal last words are "Counting or not counting gang violence?">gets killed by alt-right gang violenceWhat did he mean by this
>>82499040im not saying that the answer is to just ignore suffering, but praying to a god for suffering isnt gonna do shit, getting your feet on the ground, learning how to prevent such suffering, and growing because of it is how you overcome sufferingperseverance isn't a uniquely Christian thing retard
>>82499040Hinduism/Buddhism says we must accept suffering, the civilizations that decided that if there are a bunch of problems creating suffering, we must simply accept it, but the Christian view says we must solve it and make life better, there is a greater meaning and eternal reward but from an atheist world view, theres no eternity, the sun is gonna explode anyway so who cares if the problem gets solved or not, there will always be suffering and we must accept it.>>82499006Well, when theres random suffering and death, all we can hope is to achieve eternal happiness, so thus we must worship. Through folllowing Christianity is a fight against evil, its like being offered a challenge for a really good reward. Those mrbeast contestants dont hate mrbeast for putting them in an uncomfortable situation, mrbeast gives them an oppurtinity to face the challenge and beat it and get the reward, no challenge taker would complain about how mrbeast put them in an uncomfortable hard situation, they would be grateful for having the challenge to solve in the first place in order to get reward
>>82499058>mrbeast gives them an oppurtinity to face the challenge and beat it and get the reward, no challenge taker would complain about how mrbeast put them in an uncomfortable hard situation, they would be grateful for having the challenge to solve in the first place in order to get rewardwell mr beast doesnt knowingly let the contestants rape and murder each other does he
>>82497931I didn't expect this to blow up the way that it did. I literally did not know who Charlie Kirk was until he got shot, and a significant amount of my friends are conservative/libertarian military vets and gun owner types. The way the media is reacting you'd have thunk Tucker Carlson himself got shot.
>>82499047Theres a general concept in the world, a harder a thing is stressed and challenged the more it must be put to worth and it becomes more powerful. For example if you have a skill of coding, the more you solve difficult coding problems, the more consistency and constant problem solving you do, the better your coding skill gets. More stress and pain from problems and having to face them means more growth, why does that concept exist? Because the concept of good and bad in the first place.>Put humans in a perfect world with no suffering but still give them growth and happiness since God can do anythingHumans are created in God's image, we arent dumb cattle that gets happy through eating grass all day, doing nothing. If we were put in such immobalized cattle like conditions in some eternal pleasure cube, our souls will be restless and angry, God loves solving problems, fighting evil, helping others and creating. We humans have such traits, if God were to remove the traits and make us dumb cattle eternally happy with no suffering, we wouldnt be humans.>>82499055Praying to God isnt the only answer, God doesnt snap his fingers and magically makes things good, thats a classic false understanding of Christianity. But it improves the probabilities of some oppurtinity to happen, the millions of brain cells firing off to think of something, and the tiny atoms in those neurans colliding in a specific way to make you think of a genius idea. In general Christianity is the best philosophy for having motivation to solve problems, i never said other beliefs sit around doing nothing, but Christianity gives the most hope in the long run
>>82499070The general concept is there though, face challenge, create and solve problems to beat it, feel good
>>82499092okay fine, give us suffering so we arent bored out of our mind, but why the hell would he allow rape to happen? like surely he can make a world with challenge where people arent motivated to rape people? the majority of raped people dont "grow" from it, it can ruin their life and marks an event they'll never be the same after.If i told someone i loved them beyond human comprehension, and then raped them, and then gave them $1,000,000 that would make me a pretty shitty person regardless of if i love them and gave them money
>>82499121Rape, mass famines, terrible tortures such as in wars and cartel wars that permanantly scar humans to an unrecovarable shell of themselves. They can heal if they pray and embrace God more, they will be in eternal peace soon. Its also a fault of the human who raped, ive heard a basedentific fact that says humans develop true ptsd/misery from someone intending to harm them, another human meaning to harm them, people who survive natural disasters or non man made terrible things arent as scarred as the ones who face the human who intended to harm, someone using their consciousness on this earth to harm you specifically. You might say why doesnt God just strike down satan for tempting people into evil, it goes back to the good vs bad argument. Keep in mind humans arent dumb cattle, we are made in the image of God meaning we all have great powerful conscious minds with powerful reasoning, with our powerful conscious mind we decide whether to side with satan or God, so the blame is on the human
>>82499200wordfilter, im used to saying scientific as basedentific, but onions gets filtered to based
>>82499204The worldfilter exists so that you stop being a retard.
>>82497936Go back to bleddit, atheism is cringe.
