i keep seeing very different advice on this, some people are like "you should wait as long as possible before having sex or he will just pump and dump" while others say "have sex on the first date to see if you are compatible and so he doesn't get bored" what are we supposed to do? how long should we take to have sex with a guy?
meh, i think it depends on your personality.
>>82593735Never have sex with a moid on the first date they are all evil
>>82593735It's sounds kinda disgusting. The smart and cool women i know tend to avoid that, some just like being sluts. t.moid
>>82593735To me, sex is like the ultimate act>"I trust you enough for us to revel in each other's bodies"And if they trust you THAT MUCH on the first date? You're fuckedPump and dump is inevitable
>>82593735Drag it out for as long as possible, or be used. Peope who think being a whore is mature are just whores themselves.
>>82593735As a guy I've started refusing to have sex on the first date because I've been reverse-pumped-and-dumped every time.
it depends on your goals, if you're trying to have a real relationship with someone that fits you then there's really no way you can determine that on a first date
>>82593735you should put out with incels on the first date and string chad along until he loses interest
>>82593735if you are on tinder then the expectation you are there for a hookup. Then the girl cries why didn't sixpack call me back for a relationship? You went on the hookup app. Then the girls think, if I can get a sixpack on the hookup app, then surely I can lock down a male model. So then from there things spiral. No Male model is going to commit to slampig girl
>>82593735I just wanna have a caring relationship with someone where we understand and respect eachother.Sex is nice but I can get it pretty easily as a young fit guy and and I want connection more
>>82593735Ok I am probably just a retard, but every girl that liked me wanted to fuck before the first date. Dating seemed optional to me, is this the typical moid experience? I doubt it, but I always found it weird and I think you should wait for the third date and don't be a whore. It makes me think less of a girl if she spreads her legs too early desu.
>>8259373590% of women should be chaste and for long term relationships only. The other 10% should have sex with anyone, anytime. That way everyone is happy.
>>82593912>No Male model is going to commit to slampig girlslampig girl would just cheat anyway, all she is is slampig girl. her whole existence is about elevating her own status by takin better dick
>>82593944Yeah, that's been my experience too but I think it depends on a lot of different factors (where you live, how attractive you are, how easily both of you can form connections etc.)
>>82593735As long as you stay together forever until death after that. Anything else is fornication.
>>82593735Don't try and make it into a game. Do it when you're ready and when you want.
>>82593735>She makes me wait to smash>Indication that she doesn't have genuine burning desire for me>Being in a relationship with a femoid who doesn't find you attractive is just simping>pass>(Kill her)
>>82593735This Wojak looks so broken and tired of it all, how does he even get it up?
You should only have sex with a guy after he shows you a negative std test otherwise do it whenever you feel ready. Personally I fuck on the first date because I don't wanna waste time on a short dicked man
>>82593735>boredIts not bored anon. Men have learned that if a woman isn't willing to jump him immediately then she's not actually into him.>b but that creates a lose lose situationYes femanon, you have created a lose lose situation which men are trying to navigate. Sorry it sucks but men aren't in control here.
>>82594177Gas station viagra
>>82593742You mean, never give a foid your lifeforce, they are soul vampires.
>>82593735I think you should sleep with him on the first date if he makes your pussy wet, and not sleep with him on the first date if he doesn't. Let biology decide.
In the 1/10000th chance this is sincere: probably. At least some fondling/cuddling. A lot depends on how long/well you've known him, and obviously, if you also want to touch him. If you both want to (you're on a date right?) then skip the dumb rituals.He wants to touch you, and feel comfortable touching you and being around you. He can't help but gravitate everything toward that endgame. The sooner you break that seal, the faster he can feel comfortable being his true self without thinking "oh god she's so pretty i wanna touch her so much ahhhhh but i cant yet gotta play it cool ahhhhhhh", brutally anxious about his 1 chance to escape loneliness.If that idea makes you think>EWWWW what an insecure loser! I already have a pussy, I need a -REAL- man!Then just get AbuseChad to pump and dump you. He has no anxiety because he doesn't care what you think or feel, only wants your holes, and can get some other piece sucking his seed in under 15 minutes.
> >82593735You should have sex and become pregnant as soon as possible. That's how nature intended it. Lust is the initial mover, and the child is what's meant to keep the couple together. If you just shag until the lust has waned, you've already fucked up. Speaking from a biological imperative operandi.
all my relationships started with sex. No sex, no relationship
The point of delaying sex in the old times was to find out if you actually like each other without it. And assuming you do, anticipation could make the first experience more memorable.Trying to use this as a venus fly trap (for cocks) or dangle it like a carrot on a stick is just a bastardization, and it wont work in the end.
>>82594267>Men have learned that if a woman isn't willing to jump him immediately then she's not actually into him.This is true. Plus, men are told if they get friendzoned it's their fault for taking things slow and they should have been horny bastards from the start.
>>82593735Men are mostly annoyed when a woman makes a good guy wait so that they can "get to know them" meanwhile they go out and fuck Chad without even going on a date because "it's just casual." As long as you aren't a slut and you make everybody wait a little while then I'm sure you'll be fine.
>>82594551True and can confirm. If a girl doesn't let me inside her holes day 1, then I just assume she doesn't like me like that.
>>82593735Do you want to? If so do it, if not don't. Don't let the expectations of men define what you're gonna do. My current gf of a year had sex with me on the first date and I wouldn't have had it any other way. I've waited before, sometimes I regret it because it sucked, other times it was great. You do you, be natural about it
No, i would consider wanting sex on the first date to be a big red flag even as a man, and I would not consider them a candidate as a serious long-term partner who I want to build a life with.
>>82593735>are we supposed to have sex with men on the first date?It's women's nature. They despise relationships, marriage and fatherhood.
>>82593735I don't care what you do. I know I'm awesome. If you want to put out immediately, cool, you're a slut, I can always use another hole. If you want to play games, also cool, I'll back-burner you.The only kind of girl I'd wait for is an authentic loser/nervous-wreck introvert type. Hard to fake nervousness.
>>82594495This. Hookup first, then figure out the relationship aspect.
>>82593735I can tell you how I see it, but keep in mind, that it's an individual's perspective, so it isn't necessarily indicative of the general sentiment among men. The answer is this: if you've had sex with other men on first dates in the past, it's something I'd expect too. Of course in most cases I'd have no way of knowing whether you have or not before we even meet for the first time, but we're talking about a hypothetical scenario, which assumes perfect knowledge. That's because it's insulting to me that a person who will hopefully become my significant other made me jump through hoops for sex, and didn't make other men do that. It makes me suspicious that she doesn't find me that attractive and just wants to date me for other reasons. I'd have no issue not having sex on the first date with a woman who's never done that with other men. But again, both of these scenarios require perfect knowledge, which isn't realistic. Knowing modern women, most of them have engaged in promiscuous behavior, had sex on first dates, had hoe phases, etc. So that's something I assume from the outset. If there's no sex on the first or second date, then I'd rather just bounce, because I don't trust you.
>>82593735men trade love for sex, women trade sex for love.so no, i dont think so.
The two women I've dated longer than a month (one 8 years, other 2) are those that put out on the first date/netflixnchill.
>>82593735It really depends on the types of people. You can't simplify it like that. For me it's the third date.
If you like the guy you wait a bit to have sex to make sure he likes you for you, not for sex. If you don't like him, just fuck him to get it out of your system
>>82593735>are we supposed to have sex with men on the first date?No, after marriage only. If you think otherwise you're in it for pleasure, not love, and you're a whore.
>>82595243That seems like a terrible incentive structure.
>>82595274>No, after marriage only.this is a meme if you aren't religious
>>82595316True but you're probably a retarded hedonist chasing lust if you're not religious.
>>82593735Bad, awful, disgusting men, who aren't worth your time and just want to pump and dump you, want you to do it. If you're actually looking for love, then you shouldn't.But, you like most women, have probably already done it a bunch of times and ridden the cock-carusel, so it's already over for you.You've already pre-emptivelly cheated on all your potential loves, and as such, you no longer deserve love.
people having sex fast is a reason why i am hesitant to date. Imagine dating a woman for months, maybe even a year, and you both had sex, then you learn she did this to a guy she knew for 3 hours. Would you feel like shes attracted to you? If a guy with superior features can bang that out in 3 hours, what chances do you have at keeping her? Sure, you built up more connection, maybe, but its always going to be in the back of my mind
>>82595568>then you learn she did this to a guy she knew for 3 hours.you'll never find a woman that doesn't do that, they're sluts because society tricked them aka jews
>>82595593Exactly. Why date if you are going to forever be seen as below another guy? I mean sure, people can change, but the question is why she suddenly changed, and if she ever did. Most dont change for real, they are just forced into situations.
>>82595593What are you talking about? It's the same with OP, most women don't do that. In fact, many women leave you waiting weeks and months to do it.
>>82595628They leave normal average to below average guys waiting for months. The amount of times ive heard a woman outright admit to me after getting to know them that they "fucked up" by sleeping with guys who they couldnt help themselves with is insane. Sure, they regret it, only because they couldnt keep him, they still gave him everything in their prime for free in less time than they would give it to me. That is OBJECTIVE evidence they see me as below that guy, and by a wide margin. If they couldnt control themselves around him, but can around me, what does that say? Only women i havent met like this are ones who got married super young, like before the age of 25. If a man locks them tf down as a teen and keeps them locked down they wont do that, but its so against their nature i seriously wonder what psychological damage it causes them to simply NOT fuck hot guys when they are young. I wonder if this is why marriages seem to crash a lot and 70-80% from the women
You're supposed to wait until marriage.
>>82595677You'll be waiting a long time while everyone else determines based off vibes and turns tail the second you mention marriage on the second date
>>82595677>You're supposed to wait until marriage.How old are you? Only young naive people give a shit about this.
>>82593735Filter out the fuckbois by having at least 5 dates
>>82593941>"I just wanna have a caring relationship with someone where we understand and respect eachother.">posts picture of sociopathic murderer Yuna from Mirai Nikki
>>82593735People don't really date anymore until they're dating. There is no hard or fast rule as to how quickly or not to fuck someone after meeting them. Though, I'd advise less than hour. You pull the old Zizek advice IMO. You go to the wall. You get your dildo and put it in his fleshlight. You then let them buzz in the corner. Now, your anxieties are being fulfilled by the sex toys. Now, you're free to enjoy yourself without worrying about your duty to fuck or your duty to not fuck. Then one moment you're enjoying yourself and there's a moment where your lips are close and his hand hitches your back, then you can have sex. If that moment never comes then you don't have sex.
Moid here. If you don't have sex on the first date we'll get bored. Also we'll get bored on the second date. And third. In fact I'm bored now, post tits.Retard. Only have sex alert marriage. But that's rare nowadays, so most handwave it away as "committed relationship".I had a committed relationship, we had the sex, she got pregnant, she left, she got an abortion, I got devastated. Only after I was hurt did I see the wisdom of abstinence. >but, what if he leaves? I'm so insecure the only way I can earn love is through the hole between my legs! Sucks for you I guess. Figure it out. Anything further I say is pearls before swine.
>>82593735i am in love with girls who never have sex
>>82595243>if you don't like a guy, fuck him anyway lmaoWoman detected. If you're horny just masturbate.
>>82595666>If they couldnt control themselves around him, but can around me, what does that say?Emotionally, I agree with you Satan but there's a rational argument as well. She could sleep with an 7/10 immediately, realize that was a mistake, genuinely consider you a 10/10 and doesn't want to repeat that method because the method itself was a mistake, not reflective on you. Personally I just could never (romantically) love a woman who slept with someone so easily. Honestly I'm 50/50 on whether I could love a woman who slept with another man at all, I've only dated virgins before.
>>82593735I once met up with a girl from Badoo, some asian expat who was lonely and she even literally offered me to go to her apartment when it was time to go home, so I went there and we made out and fucked. But that is kind of disgusting desu, how many other guys did she do that for? I felt nothing for her at that point, like a wall went up and in my mind I could only see her as a cumdump. Not even a friend.If I think honestly in my soul, thinking back to my first sweet lovely gf, I would NEED to have an actual proper emotional connection with the other person before doing anything intimate including kissing. Like I would have to trust them, know them, feel happy around them, see them for who they really are and know that a relationship is definitely gonna work out, no maybes.That would take months. So I would want to wait literal months before even kissing. That's it.
>>82595243>just fuck him to get it out of your systemthis is how all those stds got in your system
>>82596930>alert*afterFirst time I've ever made an autocorrect typo :(
>>82593735>you should wait as long as possible before having sex or he will just pump and dumpthis is true>have sex on the first date to see if you are compatible and so he doesn't get boredhe will get bored because he's just interested in you for sex
>>82593742You barely go out let alone date people. Also, youre not a woman.
>>82593735>are we supposed to have sex with men on the first date?Disregard other anons and only listen to my advice, because I am right and they are dumbassesIf you have already fucked other men on the first date, DO NOT withhold sex in new relationships you are serious about. You are basically pre-cucking the new man. You gave it away easily to Chad and Tyrone but withheld it from Mr Niceguy. You are turning him into a chump.If you have always started slow then it is okay to make him wait.Imagine it like thisHow would you feel if your boyfriend used to take girls out to fancy restaurants, but once he started dating you, he was only willing to buy fast food? That would feel like you are a loser and not as good as the other girls, right? But if he was always a cheapass, not just when dating you specifically, then it isnt personal, right?
