>>82642546
you have two sisters stfu

>Nobody will ever love me and I am going to die alone

>39
Same as me.

>>82642553
How do you even know this

>>82642653
>>82642546
Kiss and date

>>82642730
because I wake up wishing I had two sisters who were the perfect height difference for my asymmetrical eyes

>>82642759
not the anons but gender? age? are you virgin?

>>82642546
>Get a job
>wash your ass
>3 hobbies to fit into normie man culture
>2 hobbies to be happy
>don't coast on minimal effort
>don't kneecap yourself with self-pity, fear of growing, short-term thinking, or pessimism
>be fun to talk to
>put yourself out there enough
>Oh my god! You're soooo interesting, fuck me anon!
Is it really that hard?

>>82643291
>3 hobbies to fit into normie man culture
any personal recommendations?

>>82643291
Yes it is because I'm 5'8

>>82643291
>be fun to talk to

this is the hardest one to change.

>>82642546
29 and same. Bought a gun recently. Not gonna be the 30 year old virgin loser. Got too much self respect left to be ok with that.
>>82643291
>Get a job
Check (QM/QC big pharma)
>wash your ass
Check.
>3 hobbies to fit into normie man culture
Check
>2 hobbies to be happy
Check.
>don't coast on minimal effort
Check.
>don't kneecap yourself with self-pity, fear of growing, short-term thinking, or pessimism
I gave up recently, but check before that.
>be fun to talk to
I have friends so I guess check?
>put yourself out there enough
Used to but gave up
>Oh my god! You're soooo interesting, fuck me anon!
Does not happen if you are ugly.

Misaki poster. Glad to see you makin a thread. Are you still NEETing

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>>82642546
eventually, in the next 10 to 15 years, we will have ai robot wives that will be mass produced so all incels can get loving girlfriends and maybe even a nice harem

women are a lost cause and arent worth loving

a robot girl is basically all the good things of a girl (loving, eager to please, horny, pleasant, likes your hobbies, smells nice)

and none of the bad things, like being a massive whore, mudshark, non-virgin, wants other men, etc

robot girls are designed to make you happy and their world revolves around you

so just hold our for sexbots. i always need to remind people

and i suppose it will be sweet being happy in the face of everyone who hates you, like liberals, women, normies, simps, etc. they want you to suffer, so you should enjoy life to spit them

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>>82643291
>just get 16 hobbies ob top of your full time job and beee (personality trait)
Bullshit .Start living like pic related and your hope and comfy will return OP.

>>82642546
>never loved
If I was your friend, sibling, elder, or anyone else who you're taking for granted then id be really disappointed that you don't value the love they have given. Shit, even 4chan is showing you love by replying to your stupid ass sad attention whore thread.
>die alone
We all die alone and nigga you'll be dead who cares?

>>82643291
>dude just be a normgroid!
not gonna happen

I'm sure spending your hours on 4chan will help, OP.

>>82643321
Football if you're American, Basketball if you're Black, Baseball if you're Dominican or East Asian, Soccer if you're international. Lifting, Cars and motorcycles, Guns, Grilling, Home repairs, 8-ball Pool, Dominoes, Spades and Poker, Traveling (you should have some idea about your city and the region of your state enough to talk about places), Social drinking (you should know different brands of alcohol and cigars). Maybe occasional major games and sports game franchises COD, God of War, Madden, GTA, NBA2k, but no more than 14 hours a week.

Personally, the only things I've never been into were motorcycles, spades, and dominoes. But it's not like you have to do all of them. Just start at a different hobby in rotation per week or every other week out of 3 choices from the list.

Once you're good enough to confidently talk about your experiences with it with someone else who's really into that, you're allowed to pick a different hobby to replace it with. It's about friendships to build your confidence in approaching and talking to people, have someone to vouch for you as a person, and have a life outside of your girlfriend.

Respect from other men, being healthy and competent, makes women see you as someone with options. Someone with poor social skills and no friendships signals that someone doesn't have those things. That's where the "women only care about status" thing actually matters. From their perspective, the scariest thing is running into someone who ends up being physically abusive or an emotionally unstable stalker. Even then, dating someone who doesn't believe in or care about building their own life is just a constant weight. When people see that, women are thinking it's another person who wants to be a manchild. Guys are more forgiving because we've all been there or known someone who has.

>>82643395
It's just one of those things that you have to make a constant effort in until it becomes unconscious.
One of the areas is a better perspective, the other is the way you say things, the other is presentation behind what you're saying.

>>82643291
None of these will make you 6 foot and neurotypical retard

>>82643614
Like disfigured ugly? Otherwise, it still applies.
You seem like you're all together. Keep being dependable and one of these local bitches with nothing going on is going to cave. Time works in your favor.

>>82643353
>>82643890
I promise you, height is a meme to sort out superficial people. All of the seething, insecure retards use it as a cope, all of the sluts use it as a bar of who to fuck.

You do not want to welcome these kinds of people into your life. The thread I was responding to was about how to find someone who will love you.

If you were really desperate for sex, you would pay for sex. Someone who is looking for love shouldn't have height even in their mind unless you're legitimately 5'6" 5'4" and it hurts finding options.

>>82643890
Neuroatypical cope is on brand for people who never want to put in the bare minimum.

You could get on meds if you need them or associate with other, let's say, functionally autistic people if you're functionally autistic.

It's fine not to listen when universally good advice is given. It's your life, you can cry if you want to.

>>82643916
>Time works in your favor.
I got approximately 7 months before blowing my head off in the woods. Time is not in my favor.

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>>82643968
It's really hard to not associate height with respect when you go out and see people mocking manlets, both men and women.
It ultimately is a cope, there's a million things wrong with me. But at the end of the road, I've aged and all realisation that I will never be loved has hit me hard.
I'm going to be a 30 year old incel, then a 40 year old incel unless I stop the years from counting.

>>82643847
So why can't I just do this? >>82643684

All my coworkers are married and don't play sports lol. I work 50 hour weeks, I don't have time for 6 gorillion sports.

>>82644011
>durr just become a different PERSON
>How do I use this information to get love and respect
>UHH I DUNNO, NORMIES LIKE SPORTS PLAY FOOTBALL IN THE PARK LIKE YHE MOVIES I GUESS. PULL UP YER BOOTSTRAP
You ignored all of my other posts because you know I'm correct. Approaching and harassing people doesn't make you fun to talk to or give you social skills. I lift and jog and I can tell you it doesn't give you respect or a social group either, and I've been "putting in effort" from 14-25.

So once again, go spread Jewish neurotypical wikihow advice somewhere else.

>27 and sperg
>"time works in your favor"
Fucking kek

Fuck me. None of you people actually want to deal with any of your issues. It's just endless pity party bullshit.

>>82644116
I'm not gonna stop you. I don't know you. I don't care about you because I don't know you. I will say, if you're going to throw away the time you have in your entire natural life to bring happiness into your life and any chance to eventually be in love. That's your choice. You'd rather quit than trust that you can make the changes you'd need to make.

>>82644182
Stop comparing yourself to other people and roll with the punches. You're acting like there aren't short people who live their lives, fall in love, marry, and have children. Being insecure about height and thinking it's going to stop you from finding someone is the actual issue standing in your way of finding someone.

>>82644243
I never once said you have to play a sport. Most people watch them enough to be able to talk about them and keep up with whatever is going on with their team.

My only issues with that is it's a very passive way people end up in relationships, you can go your entire life without ending up in one, you also don't have specific and actionable things to build personality or confidence. Career certs are fine. If you have time for video games, you have time for hobbies.

>>82644458
"I lift"
>alone
"I jog"
>alone
"play sports lol"
>never said you had to
"bootstraps!"
>???
"Harassing people doesn't give you social skills"
>...
"You really think having social hobbies that you can talk with anyone about will help you build social skills?"
Yes. It will... You just don't want to learn social skills because it's easier being afraid,shutting everything else down, sabotaging yourself, giving into self-pity, and being alone since you're so used to it. It sounds like you specifically are the guy who needs to stop coasting on doing things half-assed and expecting to change your life. I never said to be a different person. I said change your outlook and change your behavior.

>>82644487
Women who want a committed relationship want competent, dependable, and considerate men who aren't boring. Women will also date and marry up in age because young guys don't usually have their shit together.

If you're under 30, you're still considered a young adult. People with their shit together earlier are able to settle down earlier, but that isn't the real norm. A 20 year old woman won't have things in common with a 27 year old man, but a 34 year old man and a 27 year old woman dating isn't that crazy. If you get your shit together, time actually does work in your favor for relationships.

>>82642546
I have the inverse, everyone loves me but not the *me* me
Been told countless times I'm a good son, a good brother, a good friend, a good lover
Why? Because I don't bother them with my problems

Good old anon who's got it all together, the shield witholding the storm...
I'm starting to break and they don't like it when I break, it shows them I'm human and they don't like it when I'm human, they'd rather me stay in my lane and be that good son, that good brother, that good friend, that good lover

>>82643259
saar do the needful and provide such info

>>82645792
Its called being a man anon

>>82645792
Used to be, such behaviour was rewarded with a large house and a loving family.
Not sure why you're keeping up with the facade now that there's no reason for it.

>>82645845
A man, to me, does whatever the fuck he wants
And all I want now is to just be left alone
Might genuinely burn all my bridges tonight, I can't take it anymore

>>82645861
>Not sure why you're keeping up with the facade now that there's no reason for it
I don't know, anon
I don't know why either

>>82645950
You're thinking of a person anon. Being a man is a bit different

>>82645792
>>82645950
You don't need to burn your bridges. You also don't need to put everyone else's needs before your own.

At the end of the day, you have to live with yourself and the only obligation you have are to the people you welcome into your life and to the responsibilities you choose.

You're allowed to set boundaries for people not putting their responsibilities on your shoulders.

>>82645987
>You're allowed to set boundaries for people not putting their responsibilities on your shoulders.
lol
lmao
NTA, but you must not have many responsibilities in life.

>>82645973
>>82645987
I can't fucking take it man!

My grandma's dying and I have to be there for her
My mom's sick and I have to be there for her too
My little brother fucked up and now I have to take care of him too
My youngest brother, guy's 16 now but my dad passed when he was 9 years old. He doesn't have a father figure, everyone else is a fucking deadbeat and I have to be there for him too

I'm doing too much for too little
My grandma's going to die and my uncle's gonna sell her fucking house, that's where I spent my fucking summers
My mom is still being an ass and talking down on me because she thinks "a son should ALWAYS listen to everything his mother says, no matter what" and she's ruining my fucking life
My little brother is a wanted fucking criminal and now I have to cover his ass and buy him his food because he can't go out at all
My youngest, he's seen too much, he's endured too much, I don't want him to grow up without a guide, without someone to look after him

I do everything and they keep telling me my reward is not here, it's in the hereafter
They're ruining my life right here right now because they genuinely believe I might get to Heaven, but I don't fucking believe in that shit

God keeps giving me tougher and tougher battles and when you push a man past his limits, he'll realize it's all for naught and hell will let loose

>>82646085
Delegate the sick mother to the wanted brother.

2 low priority birds, one efficient stone

>>82646139
Doesn't work like that
Brother lives in a "safehouse" 45 minutes away from us

Might just rat him out, might just get him killed, might just ruin the whole fucking family
Can't take it anymore

>>82646085
>My grandma's going to die and my uncle's gonna sell her fucking house
How come she's not passing it on to you? Have you asked her for it?

>>82646181
She's senile and my uncle, being the legal guardian, secured the inheritance
Guy had a stroke, can't move his right arm so he asks me for help

I'm doing too much, man
I'm too much of a "man"
I sacrifice too much of me till there's nothing left

>>82646173
I'd probably help my youngest brother and dodge everyone else but that's just me

>>82646085
I mean... it's brutal, but your brother made his mistakes. He's not your responsibility. Show up at his court date and support him through his sentence.

Uncle selling the house isn't a major issue if that's what your grandmother wants.

Mom isn't your responsibility.

Maybe, your youngest brother is since you're intentionally choosing to look out for him and make sure he doesn't follow after deadbeats. Have a close relationship with him, show up as much as possible and get him out of there as soon as you can.

>>82646203
>so he asks me for help
And you said "sure, as long as I get gram's house", right?

>>82646203
I will never understand why retarded boomers sell their homes for money when their great-grandchildren can have the stability for generations down.

It's a poverty mindset.

>>82646207
>>82646208
I try my best but he looks up more to his criminal brother instead, guy thinks he's cooler haha

Never be a good man, anons
It's never worth it

>>82646231
I helped because she's my fucking grandmother
She opened her house to me, cooked for me, cared for me, it's the least I can do, it's the only thing I can do

I'm going to wind up either a sociopath or insane in my 30's, I'm only 27 man

>>82643291
>>3 hobbies to fit into normie man culture
>>2 hobbies to be happy
lol
lmao
Who the fuck has time for 5 hobbies you delusional normgroid?

Last vent, I guess
They know what they put me through, they know what they ask of me and how far I would go to help, yet they desire more
>Why aren't you hanging out with friends?
>Why don't you have a girlfriend?
>Why are you so poor?
I have lived and done everything for them and they just don't see it, they want me to live my own life + "living" theirs too

They give me their burdens and they ask me why I'm so slow in this race called life

>>82646361
Lol, that would be my cue to stop giving a single fuck.

>>82646361
>I helped because she's my fucking grandmother
Then stop complaining, you whiny bitch.
>I HIT MYSELF IN THE HEAD AND NOW IT HUU-HUUU-HUUUUURTS BOOOHOOOO
Get your fucking head of your ass.

>>82646417
Can you fucking read between the lines, fuckface?
I'm not complaining about helping her, I'm complaining about helping EVERYONE
Because apparently that's a what a good grandson/son/brother/friend/man is SUPPOSED to do

>>82646470
>I'm complaining about helping EVERYONE
Yeah, and you CHOOSE to do so.
You're complaining and whining about not being able to juggle 50 lemons.
In other words, you're acting like a retard.

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>>82645601
>It's just endless pity party bullshit.
I'm aware of how incredibly draining it is to deal with someone with self-hating tendencies. Height is just one of the many things I hate myself, even if I magically grew I'd still wallow in self-pity.
I have a close online friend that is trying to get me to come out of my shell, and I can sense just how frustrated he is with dealing with me. I know that talking to me is draining him and I hate to see him like that. I struggle to do anything right, if I'm honest I hurt people, if I mask I hurt people. I slowly regress into the underground where I can hurt noone until I build the courage I go to the flip side.

>>82646368
I literally said try out one hobby every other week.

Do you people just stop thinking whenever you read something you don't like?

If you have time to be on r9k, you have time for a fucking human hobby.

>>82646697
>just let them die all alone
>just let them fix their own shit
>just let them grow up without a father figure
This is how the decay started
You have no idea how far reaching the implications of leaving are

>>82646831
He's no ones father in this scenario

>>82646831
>>just let them die all alone
You can be there for them every other weekend.
>>just let them fix their own shit
Yes.
>>just let them grow up without a father figure
A foster family would let him grow up loved.

>>82646798
Not that guy but I have a stalking hobby. Whenever I have friendly conversation with a lady and I can find her social media I follow their every move.

Copes for this?

>>82646859
>Copes for this?
Stop using the internet. And I'm not joking about this.
Whenever you grab your phone, lay it down and do something else instead.

>>82646723
Thank you for being honest with me, a lot of people here can't manage that.

If you actually want to change the way you think of yourself, you have to forgive yourself for not living up to whatever image you're holding up and thinking you should be.

Everyone has their own struggles in life and their own potential, you should recognize that your self-hate isn't getting you anywhere and focus on appreciating and celebrating the small changes you can make, which make your life better and feel better.

For you, I think you should start by giving yourself grace when you do hurt people. People will forgive you if you make it clear that you're trying to fix whatever habits are causing you to push people away and you're awkard or standoffish for that reason.

Part of getting better at something is coming to terms with the fact that you're going to hurt people and be hurt and that you'll be able to learn from it to be a better stronger person. You're going to make mistakes and you're going to slip back into old habits, but becoming better means that you win more consistently than you lose.

>>82646843
Why the fuck is it so hard to be kind, man...

>>82646838
father FIGURE, moron

>>82646947
You are the moron. The kid has chosen the life of a thug, anon has no responsibility to him

>going to school for the first time at 27
>KHV
>working on getting my life together after years of alternating between NEETing and shitwork
>on my second year
>cute girl approaches me incredibly blatantly
>first time in my life I have actually clearly been approached
>let her know right away that I'm an ancient fuck since she's a goddamn college freshman straight out of HS
>she doesn't seem to care and keeps using any excuse to talk with me and hang out
>I'm so socially incompetent that I normally can't notice a hint to save my life, but this girl is literally walking me to isolated places and maintaining way too much eye contact and standing close enough our arms touch
>everything I hear from her makes it seem really clear she is a normal, well adjusted human with normal human hobbies and plenty of friends
>meanwhile I have been terminally online since I was 11 with my only saving grace being I touch grass by gardening, hiking, fishing, and cooking and have a decent paying restaurant job
>brain is constantly screaming at me to rip off the bandaid and start avoiding her because I know she will lose interest once she actually knows me instead of whoever she is imagining me as
>another part of my brain is going full paranoia trying to figure out what her game is because surely she isn't genuinely interested
Man I knew I was broken, but reacting to somebody interested in me with overwhelming anxiety and self-hatred really drives it home. Doesn't help the age gap is enough that if it were to result in an actual relationship there would be heavy judgement from all sides.

The only thing giving me optimism here is that going back to school at an older age has made me realize that around 80% of young guys are genuinely the most obnoxious people imaginable and allergic to being earnest or genuine so maybe I don't actually seem that bad.

>>82646947
>Why the fuck is it so hard to be kind, man...
The real, complicated reason? It's because the (western) world changed its philosophy from communal to individual.
Capitalism is nice as long as line can go up. But the moment line stops going up (and it stopped going up decades ago) society becomes a zero-sum game where the loser ends up with nothing.
Being kind in a scenario such as the one you are experience is like trying to fight a house fire by pissing on it.

Your best bet? Focus on improving your own situation until you can help those you care about without much (or any) cost.
And yes, that means ignoring the needs of those close to you. They will come to despise you for it. But when their descendants are clothed and fed, your obligations have been fulfilled.

>>82646859
(Me)
It's going to sound cringe and bullshit, but try to see people in the way you want to be understood.

Someone confiding in you about their life is a different level of trust that you just can't feel from social media. It should feel rewarding when someone manages to confront their own usual walls and trusts you on that level.

You're getting personal attachment the cheap way and it's ruining your perception of the experience in being around people.

>>82646798
>I literally said
Show me where in that post you said this, retard.

>>82647015
>ignoring the needs of those close to you
Can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs huh?

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>>82647140
It's an unfortunate truth.

>>82646979
Thank you for proving my point to all of these fucking losers. This guy is 27 with a legit chance at pulling an 18-20 year old.

Wash your ass
get a job
have normal hobbies for basic social skills
women will date up in age because young guys don't have their shit together

You just have imposter syndrome because you're comparing yourself to some idealized version of where you're supposed to be. Forgive yourself and recognize that you're legitimately making steps towards a career and going after the life you want with making basic changes you're comfortable with.

>>82647089
>>82643847
>Just start at a different hobby in rotation per week or every other week out of 3 choices from the list.
Right here, retard.

>>82647177
You forget:
>be attractive
>if that fails, be charming (which means not autistic)
>if that fails, be rich

>>82647177
>went to uni at 24
>did not get approached by a cute girl out of nowhere because I am not a fucking anime protag
>had social anxiety
>social anxiety led to depression
>depression led to worsening grades
>worsening grades led to dropping out on the 3rd year
Fuck off and die, retard.

>>82647209
Neet is literally having a mental breakdown because a bitch is attracted to him. He said that he's able to manage because he's touching grass and has a life, fucking loser.

>>82647240
>because a bitch is attracted to him
After a lifetime of rejection? I would be paranoid as well.
You cannot relate because you aren't a robot.

>>82647232
At least I won't die alone. You can be miserable all you want to but I swear to god I'm giving the best possible universally applicable advice.

Unless you're a burn victim, have a deformity, or have severe autism you can make changes to your life to be better and feel better. That makes someone attractive.

>>82647271
>That makes someone attractive.
Not to women, unfortunately. See >>82647209

>>82647200
That's not the quoted post, retard.

>>82647245
People don't accidentally stumble across this board.

I was a neet and technically an incel because of PTSD, self-hate, anger issues, and a traumatic upbringing. Life comes at you and put things into perspective. Now I'm not. I pulled myself together and built a life that I was happy enough to let someone be a part of.

I understand exactly how it feels. In the moment, it's major and it should feel major. You're learning to see the barriers you've built, whether you can trust someone, and whether you can trust yourself to bring them into your life. It's just that once you feel comfortable enough with living past doubting yourself and other people's intentions, it's funny to see how trivial that fear and doubt becomes as a memory.

>>82647414
And I'm the queen of England.
Get outta here, you failed normalfag.

>>82647376
Maybe read the immediately next reply to the thread you're responding to, retard.

Does every single post have to spell out the entire reasoning for what someone is saying? Isn't that the entire point of conversations?

You might actually be retarded, so I'll stop bullying you.

>>82647446
I said have two hobbies to keep me happy and shitposting on 4chan is one of them right now.

>>82643291
I don't think you understand how hard it is to make friends past age 25. Like motherfuckers get into routines and seldom deviate from them.

Like the closest I've gotten is shooting the shit with my old man neighbor over sports and the dudes who frequent the dive bar i go to one Fridays

>>82647271
Since when are we talking about you? Did you just make up that whole post?

>>82647473
>motherfuckers get into routines and seldom deviate from them
It's insane how much effort people will exert just to not be friends with you.

>>82647271
>get his "proving my point" completely disproven
>has zero arguments
Thanks for proving MY point.

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>>82647414
Listen to this guy. Your brain can seriously fuck with you especially if you have had a shit life. People can't read your mind and instantly clock that you are a bitter loser, it's the way you subconsciously act. It's plenty possible to learn to hide it. And once you learn to hide it, it stops becoming something that defines you and you can move on. Plenty of guys who are weird and awkward manage to have a life, the hard part is getting over that mix of apathy and bitterness that comes from being a fuckup. The other big one is social anxiety that hits hard enough to be obvious. This, too, can be overcome. Even if you can't get rid of it, being able to shift that nervous energy from being read as "this guy seems like a serial killer" to "Oh that guy is shy" is huge.

One thing that I don't see talked about much is that there is legitimate demand for guys who are just decent fucking people. Like, we all know how many 20-something dudes are constantly playing obnoxious dominance games and trying to show how much they don't care about anything. Some girls are into that, the "bad boy" lust is real. But just as many recognize it and see that guys like that just suck to be around. If you can show yourself to be an earnest, decent person who takes life seriously you just put yourself above most men in the eyes of a lot of women.

>>82642546
Yup get used to it. You fags say this in self pity as if it's not absolutely the truth but it is. Men being loved is a meme always has been.

>>82647561
>Men being loved is a meme always has been.
Alright, then don't yell at me for checking out of society.

>>82643291
>a "just be urself" post, but in more words

>be fun to talk to
Great advice.
The re**it spacing in every of your posts is not helping your points at all BTW.

>>82642546
28 and yeah
At least we have a lot of time to get used to it

>>82647473
That's fair. I didn't really mention where someone would go and talk to people at. I would have to say, it would be at work or other people you run into at places out in the city if the energy is there for a conversation. Ask for their social media or contact after and send them a message.

>>82647487
I swear on my dead father, I didn't make that shit up.

>>82647539
Thank you, I'm fighting for my life out here.

>>82647627
I never told anyone of you fucking people to "be yourself" because I don't know you people. I can't speak to your character.

I'm only speaking about things that builds someone's character to make them more interesting and have a better life which makes someone more attractive to be in a committed relationship with.

Person I responded to was talking about never finding someone to be in love with and I gave them clear, actionable, universally applicable advice which helps with that.

>re**it spacing
No one wants to read walls of texts. Grown up and earnest conversations aren't made for 4chan one sentence posts. I actually want to help people, faggot.

>>82648072
>have a better life
Here you go again lol

>>82648078
yup. that easy.