I am a woman. People like to shame me for not wanting kids. I don't understand. Can someone make a logically argument on why having kids would benefit any woman?
>>82673577>Can someone make a logically argument on why having kids would benefit any woman?NopeI'm a man and I don't want kids eitherBecause no matter how hard you try, the world will eventually rob them from youThey're human beings, they will suffer as human beings, it's inevitable
>>82673577Theyre cute and you can tell them to do the dishes and pull the Im Not Mad Just Disappointed card and put them in cute little outfits before theyre old enough to hate you and call you a bitch
>>82673577>l am a womanthread discarded
>>82673577Don't have kids femanon, you'd be a shit mother and kids deserve better
>>82673577I think it's more to do with society wanting more people in it. I don't want kids either, never have and never will. The world will destroy them the same way it takes in all the other innocents and will spit them out disheveled, depressed, and suffering. It sounds nice in theory, bringing new life to the world. But when you bring new life, it doesn't just stop at its birth, you have now brought upon anything it will experience simply for the fact that you brought it into this world. Don't have kids anon.
>>82673577Without children you will die alone.It is your one key value as a woman.It is what makes you a woman.Without pregnancy, you are not a woman. You are just a degenerate man going after your own self pleasure. "But what I want"Your feelings don't matter bitch.
>>82673620>But when you bring new life, it doesn't just stop at its birth, you have now brought upon anything it will experience simply for the fact that you brought it into this world.Well said, anonThis is what most folks forget, it's not just up to their moment of being cute toddlers or dumb teens, they WILL grow upIt's just too much to handle, I don't want to see my own (future) kid die
>>82673577It's harder to find an argument against it. There's no reason to not want to have children besides a nihilistic pathetic worldview or being selfish
>>82673639>Without children you will die alone.I'll die alone with or without children, but this assumes that your children are the only people in your life the care about you, which might be true for some men but is not true for a majority of women.I wont really other responding to the rest of the post but having kids to not be lonely is a terrible reason considering that friends and family exist.
>>82673737Lol, female friendship is about as real as true love
>>82673577There isn't a compelling argument to have children. Its a luxury today.
>>82673577Cause you are even posing the question.Don't have kids because you aren't capable of thinking of the long term consequences. We already have enough stupid people in the world.
>>82673577Hello womani cant have a logical discussion with a woman. but you can think about my point of view. if you want.if I had a good life and the opportunity to provide my children with a good life in the future, i would want to have children.I dont like discussing logic. i don't like discussing what logic is.however, while having children may be the greatest project for one person, it can be a disaster for another.maybe it makes more sense for me to think that having children is illogical today. Even if I could offer them a future and a good life, I don't like the outside world. im quite upset. the negative impact of the outside world on my children would cause me great pain.I could defend good and beautiful people having children. but genuinely i don't care. its just an idea in my head..do not worry about it.genetic destiny.
I wish there was a filter or something to completely hide all nihilist trash in the internet Kill yourself already, all of you are a waste of oxygen
>>82673737I suggest you volunteer at a long term care facility and see the residents that have families who visit vs the ones that are perpetually alone.
>>82673577That is the kicker. It NO LONGER benefits women.You see, we all used to have a social contract. Get a job, get married, have kids and you will be able to afford a nice house and car and live a good, fulfilling life.Women wanted more say in that contract (vote), so we gave it to them. Women wanted to decide when they get to fulfill their side of the contract (Birthcontrol), so we gave it to them. Women wanted to do the mans part in the contract (working), so we gave it to them.Now foids complain they cannot find a guy who wants to settle down (divorce rape), that they do not earn enough (cheap labor), that they are unfulfilled and statistically the most depressed they have been in history (working soulless 9-5 and ignoring their literal biological function.But do not worry, you suicidal empathy has imported millions of subhumans. So that social contract is going to be put back in place forcibly by whatever side wins the war.
>>82673577It satisfies a deep biological need. You might not feel it now, and maybe you'll be lucky and never feel it, but most people feel the drive to reproduce at some point. You could be 40 and start feeling like your life is hollow and meaningless since you don't have any kids, but at that point it's too late. Many people with kids tend to rank having kids as the most important and meaningful thing they've done. That's not exactly a logical argument, but I don't think biological drives follow any logic beyond survive and procreate.
>>82673737This is some major cope. Do you all not know any old people? The ONLY folks that visit them, help them, or take care of them are their children and grandchildren. All other friends and family are already dead or dying. On the off chance you do have younger friends or family, they're too busy taking care of THEIR OWN family to be worrying about your old ass. This is how it's always been.
>>82673940Those people need to "touch grass". They think their little "friends" will stick together when they're 70-80 yo kek
>>82673751This somewhat true.
>>82673577Childless women eventually go insane when they're old enough. Having children sort of chills them out biologically.
Childless women should at least induce lactation and donate their breast milk. It sounds depressing to grow breasts and have menstrual cycles for nothing. At least my testicles made me taller and stronger and my penis makes it convenient for me to pee outside so they're still somewhat useful.
>>82673577>Can someone make a logically argument on why having kids would benefit any woman?You can sell them for profit, it's like you have a built-in commodity factory in your body. Just pump out kids and put 'em up for sale in your yard.
>>82673577I couldn't care less if women choose not to have children, what I find kind of irritating, however, is that a lot of these women don't ever stop whinging about it either. And it's obvious why, because a lot of them secretly do and end up regretting the decision when they find out how unfulfilling their lives are and it's too late. It's stupid
>>82673577the white race will die off, do you really want jews to win? no? didnt think so
>>82673577>Can someone make a logically argument on why having kids would benefit any woman?No, I can't. Do as you like, it's a free country.
>>82674333>do you really want jews to win?do we tell him?
>>82674337tell me what? that you want jews to win? hello kikelover
you shouldn't have kids since it's always the end of the world
>>82674344but we made life out of that
>>82673577do your part to save evropa
>>82674344we've been cooked by them for centuries
>>82673577Have you considered not focusing on it and just literally doing anything else? Why does anyone need to justify anything? Just live your life ignore others. People will always have comments. Now fuck off.
>>82674344>be proto human>survive for millions of years through the absolute worst conditions purely for the love of the game>get to homo sapien>survive the most insane, unthinkable brutality, not once did they (our ancestors) think fuck this>get to modern day, not perfect but saber tooth aren't trying to deliver deep, fatal stab wounds to your throat or belly with their massive teeth, short face bear (12 feet on their hind legs) aren't trying to maul you>(you) eh i dong wana>despite the fact that your brain would reward you with lots of feel good chemicals and having family is niceI mean you do you but I would love to have children
There isn't other than getting visited when you're old, and passing on your genes. There is no help or support and you're expected to just suck it up or have your child taken by child kidnappers (CPS) for not giving them Mcdonalds or homeschooling them. So worst case scenario your career takes a big hit, and you become homeless with children. Not even going to talk about the dumbasses that have children out of wedlock. Unironically we need to stop doing it with men outside of marriage. The most important resource (regular sex) has been made cheap and easily available. Whores are ruining it for everyone.
>>82673577that's what you're there for, hole. it's not as if you're going to accomplish anything important.
>>82674438>you're expected to just suck it up or have your child taken by child kidnappers (CPS) for not giving them Mcdonalds or homeschooling them.massive exaggeration >Whores are ruining it for everyone.men enable whores, whores have always existed, men are especially weak now so whores run rampant, stop enabling whores.
>>82674344You can say the same at any point for the last five thousand years of civilization
>>82674426https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape
>>82673577It's a failure to uphold the social contract. The society raised you. It fed you. It gave you an alternative to running for your life from wild animals in the woods. But this society couldn't function without the contributions of other people. Without their care and support. Without them building and protecting. Without them bringing new generations into this world. Without caring for the elderly. You enjoy a lot privileges as a woman. You should do your part for the society as well. Because let me tell you, once the average age of the society gets above a certain age, where there will be far more elderly taking than the young giving, it won't last. And it won't be pretty when it starts crumbling.
>>82674438>The most important resource (regular sex) has been made cheap and easily available.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_StatesIn the 19th century, parlor house brothels catered to upper class clientele, while bawdy houses catered to the lower class. At concert saloons, men could eat, listen to music, watch a fight, or pay women for sex. Over 200 brothels existed in lower Manhattan. Prostitution was illegal under the vagrancy laws, but was not well-enforced by police and city officials, who were bribed by brothel owners and madams. Attempts to regulate prostitution were struck down on the grounds that regulation would be contrary to the public good.
>>82674497>It's a failure to uphold the social contract.Society should write this contract on paper and make all participants sign it.
>>82674513It's an implicit contract. You agree to it by not immediately leaving the society and retrieving into the wilderness once you turn 18. But I agree, that such basic things as continuing the existence of the society should be codified into law. If you can't ensure that, then you can't have any form of society.
>>82674497>have kids so society can keep existing because.... you just should, OK! Dont be selfish.Awesome, im going to get my tubes tied.
>>82674542>that such basic things as continuing the existence of the society should be codified into law. If you can't ensure that, then you can't have any form of society.This is what I am talking about.There are very many important cornerstone institutions of society but rules for them are left very vogue and deliberately prone to interpretations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia> For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of Kent and Morse.
>>82674455>men enable whores, whores have always existed, men are especially weak now so whores run rampant, stop enabling whores.Bring back religious shaming of porn, masturbation, and sinful thoughts. Literally ban all nsfw things online and in ads. >massive exaggeration When I went to a psych about depression, they later called me to ask about how my father would constantly yell at us, and asked if he still did so. Without even consulting me they sent CPS to visit my family's house "to make sure my little brother was ok". For some yelling. Their job is to take away children.
>>82674552You don't have to. But then I view it as your moral obligation to leave the society. Retrieve into the wilderness. Why should you enjoy the benefits of the society, like food, housing, electricity, modern medicine, etc., when you can't even contribute the most basic thing that ensures it exists? That's just being a leech.
>>82674577>Bring back religious shamingWhat religion are you preaching, brother?
>>82673577Most women would be happy having kids. That's really it.
>>82673577Having kids benefits no one on a personal level, they are almost always a resource sink and have been since time immemorial. People have kids because its an evolutionary imperative to spread their genes. Picrel, you are but one cell in a culture of humans who's instincts it is to multiply and ensure the survival of their kind. Society largely structured itself around this need to fruitfully multiply which is centred on the idea of females being the incubators and therefore laying the responsibility of genetic persistence onto them (somewhat similar to a queen bee ensuring the survival of the colony). This explains why women have been shamed for awhile in human society if they skip this process but there should be no shaming at all since biological reproduction is amoral and aposteriori ie any logical contemplation or otherwise will always be secondary to the fact.
>>82674587Orthodox chrisitanity, old calender
>>82674641>Having kids benefits no one on a personal levelyou are rewarded with good brain chemicals and a deeper sense of purpose, so good brain chemicals.
>>82674641>Having kids benefits no one on a personal levelIt did when child labor laws didn't exist. They were extra farmhands.
this anti natalism is giving me the ick ngl lol, like why do u as a man not want kids like?
>>82674641Evolution gives you incentives. Sex is good, having kids release some feels good hormones Just see how people react when you say if they don't want children they never should have sex, even with a condom and others contraceptives. They lose their shit and do mental gymnastics to justify why one thing has nothing to do with the other
>>82674672>a deeper sense of purposeI don't need purpose in my life. I'm not a brainlet. I'm happy to just get to do what makes me happy, as often as possible. >>82673577I wish more women were like you. In my country, seemingly all of them eventually want marriage and kids. I don't want any of those things and everyone I know who has kids is miserable in every way. No money, no freedom, no time to enjoy what they once used to love. I think having kids destroys people, it kills their youth. And pregnancy damages women irreversibly and even causes fathers to lose testosterone much faster than regular men do through aging.
If you don't want kids, you're a hypocrite if you didn't do a vasectomy as a man or cut your tubes as a woman
>>82674746I dont make the rules, cumming in a woman feels good and what comes out psychologically will feel fantastic, it has to, I bet you'd be happier with a loving wife and sprogs
>>82674672I meant in a quantitative sense, I doubt people have kids purely for dopamine/oxytocin release if they can get the same release for less effort nowadays>>82674680you'd still have to sink resources up until 12 years old to enable them in the labor pool, I do agree that it was better when they actually helped their parents/household to recoup the effort of raising them, I utterly detest what we have become as a society (at least in the anglosphere) where kids are raised to 18 then abandoned to their own devices
>>82674766>cumming in a woman feels goodI agree. However this is a trap much like alcoholism is. It feels great to drink beer and be slightly drunk. But then comes the hangover and eventually the health issues.>I bet you'd be happier with a loving wife and sprogsNo, I would feel hopeless and as if I've thrown my life down the shitter. My T-levels would crash and I'd probably become some foid's oofy-doofy slave husband like some of my coworkers. I'd be trapped in a loveless marriage, with annoying/expensive small humans I've never wanted. And at the same time I'd be worried for their future and getting bad sleep and working paycheck-to-paycheck with no chance of early retirement. And in case of divorce, I'd be screwed.Nothing except cancer or some other horrible illness would destroy my life like having kids would.
>>82674746>I'm happy to just get to do what makes me happy, as often as possibleYour purpose is having pleasure then, you fucking retarded nigger. It's impossible to not have a purpose, if not you literally can't act. Even a machine needs a purpose, to follow it's code
>>82674718Sex does feel good and likely stems from that evolutionary imperative I was talking about (natural selection favoured the horny in those time) but people with kids also use condoms to prevent having further kids they can't afford, recognising the resource drain on their end. If anyone should be shamed its people bringing kids they can't sustain or neglect later in life, its far more damaging having a degenerate into this world than none at all.
