>God will never leave me nor forsake me>God will never leave me nor forsake meBetter is the sight of the eyes than the wandering of the desire: this is also vanity and vexation of spirit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOuJoStdXU4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOuJoStdXU4
>>82797926I messed up the OP
>>82797932It looks cyberpunk. Nbd.
>>82797926God loves you and everybody on this board. However, this sort of sentiment of "faith alone" which is true seems to be misunderstood by people like this (I assume) pastor. I am a Lutheran afterall.Yes, under the eyes of God you are only saved through faith, but good works will naturally come with a strong faith. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will inevitably do good works, maybe even want to go to church, etc. He might have not covered this, but the way he represents it seems to be misleading. This is not to say though that one will never sin when they have strong faith, which seems to be what the pastor was also saying. One could even sin over and over again. You could even hardly do any good works. You can still have faith while it being weak, and God will still always love you for that. And you will be saved when you try your best. But, if you don't try your best, and just say "Oh yeah man Christ is Lord" and then proceed to snort 5 lines and fuck 50 hookers, God will still love you, but idk if he would appreciate that a lot (I don't mean anyone specifically).
>>82798005>good works will come naturally>once you have the Holy Spirit you will inevitably do good worksI agree that the desire will exist, but it can be the case that you're saved and never do any works. The bible directly references such a case:>But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.All men have free will, and many people choose to not put on the new man, to never go to church, never get baptized after believing, etc, the majority of Christians barely show up to church, so it's not hard to imagine someone who never does any works. These are still saved, but they're backslidden, worldly, carnal, and they won't grow into productive Christians. I believe these are the seeds sown in thorns of Mark 4:19. I agree with the sentiment of your post (as well as the reference to God chastening believers for sin (as one would their children (Hebrews 12:6-7) (John 1:12)). When it comes to salvation it's better not to mince words, otherwise works salvationists, as they often do, will take advantage to try, even subtly, push for the error of Cain (e.g. Lordship salvation, doctrine of one "losing" their salvation (impossible since "eternal", "everlasting" are used (John 3:16, Romans 6:23), and God is not a liar (Numbers 23:19))
>>82798005>3000 years later>still disputes over how the creator of the universe works>Yahweh can read your mind to see if you "mean it"Look. Nobody "means it". It's make-believe that even you, deep down, are fully aware of. If intent mattered then nobody's worthy. Humans don't follow weird Jew rules from two thousand years ago that directly conflict with actual human behavior. It's setting you up to fail.>but you need his forgivenessFor what? For daring to exist in defiance of Jew rules? For the sin of humanity? Eat shit.If humanity is so flawed in the eyes of the flying Jew wizard, he should use his magic to make it the way he likes it. He can then stop complaining and inventing stupid rules no one actually follows. Why is your god so fucking dumb?
>>82798267>If intent mattered then nobody's worthyYou're starting to get it AI-anon, nobody is worthy of going to heaven, that's why God sent someone worthy, to pay for everyone's sins.>daring to exist in defiance of Jew rules?God gave consciences to everyone, so even those who weren't born into a society with rules can know right from wrong. >to make it the way he likes itThat's the purpose of the ongoing existence of humanity, people are being saved, made better over time. In heaven we won't sin. As to why God doesn't just create humans that do good all the time: Love can only exist in separation, free will gives depth to love.
>>82798302>God gave consciences to everyone, so even those who weren't born into a society with rules can know right from wrong.Did he? There are 30 million humans in a primitive stone-age state right now. Their societies are largely unstructured, they engage in shit we find abhorrent. Torture, mutilation, cannibalism, rape, human sacrifice. They don't know what's up. They're not "evil" they're just sorting things out like we did 12000 years ago.>people are being saved, made better over time. In heaven we won't sin.So the better humans are the dead ones in the sky? Because they can't do human things anymore?Sorry, man, gotta say it. Anti-human death cult.I'm not saying everyone has to carry on like a stone-age tribesman, but we can acknowledge positive social changes and fight to make ourselves better people without turning to magic books that refuse to be updated.
>>82798445>primitive people with crappy societiesWe all started with a similar level of education and technology 4500 or so years ago, the aboriginals straight up forgot how to read. >they engage in shit we find abhorrentI think even they find it abhorrent, when something becomes normalized in society, you just sort of endure it (e.g. women leaders, abortion, adultery and divorce being common, sodomy being open and celebrated in the west, pointless wars against foreign civilians, ), it doesn't make it right, and it doesn't mean other countries won't mock you for these shortcomings.>So the better humans are the dead ones in the sky? Without a doubt>Because they can't do human things anymore?They'll be resurrected on the earth for the millennial reign of Christ. They're better because they don't have sin nature. Celebrating tendency to sin is like a crackhead boasting about how he does crack, or glorifying an open wound.
>>82798445>Someone starting a family is a good thing and praiseworthy, >someone getting married is praiseworthy and a good thing, >someone having kids is praiseworthy and a good thing>someone being respectful to their parents is praiseworthy and a good thing>someone excelling in a job position, and not being corrupt (stealing, misusing role, etc) is praiseworthy and a good thing>someone helping those in need is praiseworthy and a good thing>someone protecting those who can't protect themselves is praiseworthy and a good thing>Someone living healthily is praiseworthy and a good thingGiven Christianity praises and encourages these things, I don't know how it can be called "anti-life", it seems silly.
>>82798659The Pro-Human position, which we can observe from the millenial generation, which almost entirely rejected Christianity, seems to be wasting your life and not leaving any spawn behind.
>>82798659>Someone starting a family is a good thing and praiseworthy, >someone getting married is praiseworthy and a good thing, >someone having kids is praiseworthy and a good thingThat can be a good thing, but not everyone who reproduces makes a useful or good person. So it's not an automatic positive.Also doesn't the Bible say it's ok to sell your daughter into slavery? I'm going to go ahead and say that's bad.>I don't know how it can be called "anti-life"I mean it reiterates over and over how shitty and rotten humans are and how their only hope is using telepathy to beg forgiveness from a Jew's ghost in outer space. Forgiveness needed so they can reach the "real" existence in the death world where things finally aren't so shitty anymore (unless you don't use telepathy right, in which case you get a zillion years of super-torture sponsored by the same god that praises children being respectful to their parents).
>>82798707>Also doesn't the Bible say it's ok to sell your daughter into slavery?The old testament creates a bunch of rules around extreme situations, slavery included. There's >thou shalt not killand in addition to this, if someone does kill, there's >He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.It's not that God wants people to commit murder, it's a rule created because such a thing will occur. >>82798707>I mean it reiterates over and over how shitty and rotten humans are and how their only hope is using telepathy to beg forgiveness from a Jew's ghost in outer space. Forgiveness needed so they can reach the "real" existence in the death world where things finally aren't so shitty anymore (unless you don't use telepathy right, in which case you get a zillion years of super-torture sponsored by the same god that praises children being respectful to their parents).Life now is no less real than it will be in 1000 years. >when things aren't so shitty anymoreThings will certainly get a bit worse towards the end, then improve when Christ comes. >unless you don't use telepathy Salvation is so easy, that anyone who humbles themself can be saved. God made it so. If someone wants to refuse salvation, that is their right, but they've chosen their fate.
